[Talk-us] Smooth shoulder intended for cycling
I'm wondering what the best way would be to tag a good-quality shoulder that acts essentially as an undesignated bike lane, in that you can use it but it is not required. Current Florida DOT policy is to use these on rural roads, with marked bike lanes only when there is a lane to the right. For example here: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=30.605358,-86.950672&spn=0.008255,0.016512&gl=us&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=30.605241,-86.950558&panoid=X4-X3CdhvVO_ptMWbvB8SA&cbp=12,330.83,,0,9.24 One can choose to ride either in the right lane or on the shoulder beyond the intersection. One regional mapper uses cycleway=shoulder for this, but I see that as sub-optimal, since it's primarily a shoulder, not a cycleway. It would be like putting cycleway=sidewalk whenever there's a smooth paved sidewalk. On the other hand, shoulder=yes or shoulder=paved says nothing about the quality of the shoulder. Should there be a minimum width for a shoulder (FDOT's standard is 4 feet)? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Smooth shoulder intended for cycling
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 09:15:49PM -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > I'm wondering what the best way would be to tag a good-quality > shoulder that acts essentially as an undesignated bike lane, in that > you can use it but it is not required. Current Florida DOT policy is > to use these on rural roads, with marked bike lanes only when there > is a lane to the right. For example here: > http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=30.605358,-86.950672&spn=0.008255,0.016512&gl=us&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=30.605241,-86.950558&panoid=X4-X3CdhvVO_ptMWbvB8SA&cbp=12,330.83,,0,9.24 > One can choose to ride either in the right lane or on the shoulder > beyond the intersection. > > One regional mapper uses cycleway=shoulder for this, but I see that > as sub-optimal, since it's primarily a shoulder, not a cycleway. It > would be like putting cycleway=sidewalk whenever there's a smooth > paved sidewalk. > > On the other hand, shoulder=yes or shoulder=paved says nothing about > the quality of the shoulder. Should there be a minimum width for a > shoulder (FDOT's standard is 4 feet)? cycleway=shoulder doesn't seem right to me, either, and I'm a fairly frequent cyclist (or was, before kids). *If* we are going to mark shoulders, I think we need a series of tags, such as: shoulder:surface=paved/unpaved shoulder:width=4 ft shoulder:rumble_strips:yes/no/aashto (this is very important for cyclists, as continuous strips render the shoulder useless for cycling, and yes, there is an AASHTO standard) Has anyone run this by the OpenCycleMap folks? They're the only likely data consumer for this information at present. Alternatively, maybe cycleway needs an "unmarked lane" setting for these situations, though that would imply the local authorities are intending for cyclists to use the shoulder, rather than just tolerating their presence (the usual situation). -- Kristian M Zoerhoff pgpzAtbN0C49i.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Smooth shoulder intended for cycling
On 4/17/2012 9:43 PM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: Alternatively, maybe cycleway needs an "unmarked lane" setting for these situations, though that would imply the local authorities are intending for cyclists to use the shoulder, rather than just tolerating their presence (the usual situation). I use cycleway=unmarked_lane for FDOT's "undesignated bike lane", which has a white line on the right side but no bike markings. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Smooth shoulder intended for cycling
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 4/17/2012 9:43 PM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: >> >> Alternatively, maybe cycleway needs an "unmarked lane" setting for these >> situations, though that would imply the local authorities are intending >> for >> cyclists to use the shoulder, rather than just tolerating their presence >> (the usual situation). > > > I use cycleway=unmarked_lane for FDOT's "undesignated bike lane", which has > a white line on the right side but no bike markings. If it's a standard width solid white line typically used to mark the roadway edge, then it's a shoulder line, and unmarked_lane isn't accurate. If it's a double-width solid white line (thus indicating lane changes require extra caution or a lane restriction is in effect), then it's a lane. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
