Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

2012-02-28 Thread James Mast

Is there any way possible that if you zoom in to level 20 that your tile 
service will send a message that those tiles don't exist anymore? Because when 
I zoom in that close, all I get are solid gray blocks which block out the Bing 
layer I have underneath.  Would appreciate this if possible. ;)
 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:13:30 -0600
From: ian.d...@gmail.com
To: rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

Try again. I think it might have been spending too much time trying to render 
low zoom tiles. I've since put a limit so that it will only render zooms 16-19 
over the US.

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 9:54 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote:





I think it might have gone down.  In the java console, it's just saying Read 
timed out for any of the tiles.
  

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Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

2012-02-26 Thread Ian Dees
Try again. I think it might have been spending too much time trying to
render low zoom tiles. I've since put a limit so that it will only render
zooms 16-19 over the US.

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 9:54 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.comwrote:

  I think it might have gone down.  In the java console, it's just saying
 Read timed out for any of the tiles.

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Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

2012-02-25 Thread Val Kartchner
On Sun, 2012-01-15 at 12:11 -0600, Ian Dees wrote:
 The JOSM TMS URL is
 http://{switch:a,b,c}.tile.openstreetmap.us/tiger2011_roads/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png

Okay, I found this previous email in the mailing list.  I started JOSM,
edited preferences, clicked on WMS/TMS, click on +, selected the TMS
tab and entered the above URL for TMS URL and TIGER 2011 for menu
name.  I restarted JOSM, zoomed into an area then selected TIGER 2011
under Imagery menu.  The layer shows up in the Layers list, but
nothing else changed on the screen.

The OSM vector layer (that I'm editing) and the TIGER 2011 layers are
the only ones visible.  JOSM will show other layers when selected.  Why
doesn't TIGER 2011 layer show up?

Thanks,

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Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

2012-02-25 Thread James Mast

I think it might have gone down.  In the java console, it's just saying Read 
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Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

2012-02-17 Thread Alan Mintz

At 2012-01-15 10:11, Ian Dees wrote:
In order to assist with road name checking I've set up a Mapnik layer 
rendering from TIGER 2011 ROADS data.



I also stumbled across the fact that the Census is making some of TIGER 
available as a WMS, too: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TIGER_2011#WMS


As I said earlier, one should not necessarily use TIGER11 to correct 
earlier TIGER05 names when the two differ. Positioning has improved 
tremendously in urban and sub-urban areas, but I'm finding lots of naming 
discrepancies. Better quality will result if we verify from additional 
sources, like those available from many counties. Note that the Census's 
BAS maps seem to be from the same source database as TIGER, though maybe 
extracted at different times.


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Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

2012-02-17 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Alan Mintz
alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Better quality will result if we verify from additional sources, like those
 available from many counties.

The best quality will result if we grab a GPS unit and a camera and GO
there ourselves. Just sayin' :)

(yes, I have used TIGER 2011 myself and it is a decent resource. Just
making sure OSM's primary strength isn't lost in all this talk of
external data sources!)

Toby

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Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

2012-02-17 Thread Martijn van Exel
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Alan Mintz
 alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Better quality will result if we verify from additional sources, like those
 available from many counties.

 The best quality will result if we grab a GPS unit and a camera and GO
 there ourselves. Just sayin' :)

 (yes, I have used TIGER 2011 myself and it is a decent resource. Just
 making sure OSM's primary strength isn't lost in all this talk of
 external data sources!)

 Toby


Good point Toby. You are right, there has not been too much talk on
this list about actual mapping lately. I haven't done much beyond
remapping SLC lately... And I forgot to bring my GPS when I went
skiing in Alta[1] the other day.

On the topic of TIGER layers: Harry Wood made an interesting
suggestion in the comments section of my blog post on road analysis
(see other post): wouldn't it be interesting to crowdsource
particularly problematic (in terms of alignment) areas of TIGER data?
What do you think? (How) could that work?

[1] http://osm.org/go/T0HHvKaZ-
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Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

2012-02-17 Thread Mike N

On 2/17/2012 10:05 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote:

On the topic of TIGER layers: Harry Wood made an interesting
suggestion in the comments section of my blog post on road analysis
(see other post): wouldn't it be interesting to crowdsource
particularly problematic (in terms of alignment) areas of TIGER data?
What do you think? (How) could that work?


  I don't think that would lend itself to 'Mechanical Turk' general 
solutions in the way that turning circles would for example.   It takes 
a bit of analysis to sort out - in many of the cases I've seen, 
intersecting roads must be untangled, changing the order at which they 
intersect the road in question.   It would require that the crowds be 
well trained the the use of the OSM editor they are using.


  That being said, this could be done by armchair mappers, provided 
that there is enough 'armchair labor' available.


  Another aspect is use of improved geometry from another layer via a 
conflation plugin.   This has been discussed several times before but I 
haven't had time to work on it.   I've used the concept on a small scale 
against Mapdust reports, bringing in new TIGER data from another layer, 
then from JOSM's UtilsPlugin2, 'More tools' / Replace Geometry.


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Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

2012-02-17 Thread Alan Mintz

At 2012-02-17 06:35, Toby Murray wrote:

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Alan Mintz
alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Better quality will result if we verify from additional sources, like those
 available from many counties.

The best quality will result if we grab a GPS unit and a camera and GO
there ourselves. Just sayin' :)


Of course. I've spent a great deal of money and time doing so. But again, 
it only proves what is signed. I've been responsible for getting bad 
signage replaced when I saw conflicts between it and the official record.


I'd welcome financial support for continued field surveys if anyone knows 
of a source.


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Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

2012-01-18 Thread Kristian M Zoerhoff
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 06:40:27PM -0600, Ian Dees wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Kristian M Zoerhoff zoerh...@sdf.orgwrote:
 
  I got it working in Potlatch 2 [*], but as someone else mentioned, the
  white
  layer is invisible on Potlatch's default manilla background. The
  black-outlined text labels are fine.
 
 I added black outlines to the road lines, too. It looks lightly funny where
 roads come together, but that will improve as I figure out how to better
 draw those lines. Let me know if that change helps or hurts.

That helps tremendously. Thanks!

Now, off to work on my mission to finish cleaning up McHenry County, IL.

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Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

2012-01-17 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Kristian M Zoerhoff zoerh...@sdf.orgwrote:

 On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:11:49PM -0600, Ian Dees wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  In order to assist with road name checking I've set up a Mapnik layer
  rendering from TIGER 2011 ROADS data. It consists of a transparent tile
  with a white line (of varying thickness for the different MTFCC's) for
 the
  road and white text for the road's full name. I did this with JOSM in
 mind
  (which will stack imagery layers). I haven't tested it in P2 but would be
  happy to set up a different style for users of P2. It's designed for
 higher
  zooms and I don't do anything particular for low zooms. In fact it looks
  pretty noisy and slow, but it still works.
 
  The JOSM TMS URL is http://{switch:a,b,c}.
  tile.openstreetmap.us/tiger2011_roads/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png
 
  I have grand plans to create vector layers as well (to allow for
  spot-importing of TIGER data), but I don't have time to do that
 currently.
  Let me know if you have any ideas to make it better.

 I got it working in Potlatch 2 [*], but as someone else mentioned, the
 white
 layer is invisible on Potlatch's default manilla background. The
 black-outlined text labels are fine.


I added black outlines to the road lines, too. It looks lightly funny where
roads come together, but that will improve as I figure out how to better
draw those lines. Let me know if that change helps or hurts.
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Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

2012-01-16 Thread Nick Hocking
Thanks Ian,

This in conjunctin with Bing imagery makes finding new neighbourhoods
really easy.

Of course at the same time I always clean up a few nearby decliner edits as
well.
And where a decliner has taken over  a Tiger road it is now very easy to
just
blow it away and remap it from the new Tiger stuff.

Nick
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Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

2012-01-16 Thread Kristian M Zoerhoff
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:11:49PM -0600, Ian Dees wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 In order to assist with road name checking I've set up a Mapnik layer
 rendering from TIGER 2011 ROADS data. It consists of a transparent tile
 with a white line (of varying thickness for the different MTFCC's) for the
 road and white text for the road's full name. I did this with JOSM in mind
 (which will stack imagery layers). I haven't tested it in P2 but would be
 happy to set up a different style for users of P2. It's designed for higher
 zooms and I don't do anything particular for low zooms. In fact it looks
 pretty noisy and slow, but it still works.
 
 The JOSM TMS URL is http://{switch:a,b,c}.
 tile.openstreetmap.us/tiger2011_roads/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png
 
 I have grand plans to create vector layers as well (to allow for
 spot-importing of TIGER data), but I don't have time to do that currently.
 Let me know if you have any ideas to make it better.

I got it working in Potlatch 2 [*], but as someone else mentioned, the white 
layer is invisible on Potlatch's default manilla background. The 
black-outlined text labels are fine.

Otherwise, it looks awesome. Nice work!



* As http://tile.openstreetmap.us/tiger2011_roads/$z/$x/$y.png in the 
Background menu. 

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[Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

2012-01-15 Thread Ian Dees
Hi all,

In order to assist with road name checking I've set up a Mapnik layer
rendering from TIGER 2011 ROADS data. It consists of a transparent tile
with a white line (of varying thickness for the different MTFCC's) for the
road and white text for the road's full name. I did this with JOSM in mind
(which will stack imagery layers). I haven't tested it in P2 but would be
happy to set up a different style for users of P2. It's designed for higher
zooms and I don't do anything particular for low zooms. In fact it looks
pretty noisy and slow, but it still works.

The JOSM TMS URL is http://{switch:a,b,c}.
tile.openstreetmap.us/tiger2011_roads/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png

I have grand plans to create vector layers as well (to allow for
spot-importing of TIGER data), but I don't have time to do that currently.
Let me know if you have any ideas to make it better.

-Ian
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Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles

2012-01-15 Thread Josh Doe
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 In order to assist with road name checking I've set up a Mapnik layer
 rendering from TIGER 2011 ROADS data. It consists of a transparent tile with
 a white line (of varying thickness for the different MTFCC's) for the road
 and white text for the road's full name. I did this with JOSM in mind (which
 will stack imagery layers). I haven't tested it in P2 but would be happy to
 set up a different style for users of P2. It's designed for higher zooms and
 I don't do anything particular for low zooms. In fact it looks pretty noisy
 and slow, but it still works.

 The JOSM TMS URL is
 http://{switch:a,b,c}.tile.openstreetmap.us/tiger2011_roads/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png

 I have grand plans to create vector layers as well (to allow for
 spot-importing of TIGER data), but I don't have time to do that currently.
 Let me know if you have any ideas to make it better.

Great, thanks for doing this! The white works well with a downloaded
data layer in JOSM, but definitely not with a OSM-Mapnik background.
Are there any tiles out there that have just highways (preferably
dark), with a transparent background? That would make this tool
excellent for spotting discrepancies, at high and low zoom levels.

Thanks, I'll be sure and look at this more later.
-Josh

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