Re: [Talk-us] motel vs. hotel

[Jack Burke]

"Motel" is a contraction of "motor hotel." The term motor hotel originated with 
the idea of a hotel that you drove up and parked outside the door to your room. 

So, the original defining characteristic of a motel is a hotel with doors 
opening outside to the parking lot. 

Today, many motels are multi-story, and some have rooms facing an interior 
courtyard, but I'd still call them motels, and retain the term "hotel" for 
lodging facilities with rooms opening to an interior hallway. 

Fun fact: the word "hotel" is descended from the middle French word "hostel," 
and both words are in active use in modern French, but with slightly different 
meanings. 

-Jack

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On March 9, 2019 8:41:38 AM CST, Brian Stromberg  
wrote:
>The only clear definition that has come across this list is whether the
>rooms open to the outdoors or to a hallway. All of the others are way
>too
>subjective to be useful to anyone trying to decide how to tag it.
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Re: [Talk-us] motel vs. hotel

[Brian Stromberg]

The only clear definition that has come across this list is whether the
rooms open to the outdoors or to a hallway. All of the others are way too
subjective to be useful to anyone trying to decide how to tag it.

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Re: [Talk-us] motel vs. hotel

[Aaron Forsythe]

>> As I believe the etymology of the word "motel" (circa 1920s) is a contraction
>> of "motor hotel," I believe it is fair to say that a motel is a hotel which
>> caters to motorists.  That is, patrons who arrive in an automobile and wish
>> for it to be immediately accessible, as in parked directly outside the room
>> in the case of a single story facility, or very nearby for multiple story.

Pretty much this.  I would define a motel as a place you would stay at just to
rest and shower while on a long, multiple day, drive.  Like driving from the
East coast to the West coast in USA without extra stops.  Simply a room to stay
in with possible a common area that provides cold breakfast
(cereal/bagels/etc.). 

A hotel would be more somewhere you would stay at for multiple days in a row on
a vacation or business trip.  These usually have extra features (hot
breakfast/pool/room service/etc.).

Aaron Forsythe
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Re: [Talk-us] motel vs. hotel

[Bryan Housel]

Good question!
As others have said - hotels have rooms that open indoors, motels have rooms 
that open outdoors.  That’s the only difference.

I did a bit of research on this last year for 
https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index 
 because we are using this 
project to capture the recommended tagging for all the brands of the world.

Check out the hotel/motel files here if you are curious!
https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/tree/master/brands/tourism 


For example:
Super 8 is almost always tagged as `tourism=motel`, and Travelodge is almost 
always tagged as `tourism=hotel`, even though both brands often exist in either 
kind of building.

I think this is one of those tags where it really doesn’t matter much which one 
people use.

Bryan



> On Mar 8, 2019, at 7:47 PM, Peter Dobratz  wrote:
> 
> How do you distinguish between the tourism=hotel and tourism=motel tags?
> 
> The criteria that I was imagining is that a motel is a single story building 
> where you have the ability to park you car directly outside of your room. A 
> hotel would be other types of buildings such as multi-story where most guests 
> cannot park directly outside their room.
> 
> There's the curious case of the two Motel 6 facilities directly across the 
> road from each other.  I had marked these as tourism=hotel based on the 
> building architecture, but maybe all Motel 6's should be tourism=motel?
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1645570 
> 
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Thanks,
> Peter
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Re: [Talk-us] motel vs. hotel

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

As I believe the etymology of the word "motel" (circa 1920s) is a contraction 
of "motor hotel," I believe it is fair to say that a motel is a hotel which 
caters to motorists.  That is, patrons who arrive in an automobile and wish for 
it to be immediately accessible, as in parked directly outside the room in the 
case of a single story facility, or very nearby for multiple story.

Others say hotels are "closer to an airport or business district" and while 
this is a more general criterion, (think of resort hotels where you do not 
arrive in your automobile as an exception, for example), I believe that "caters 
to motorists" is the defining difference for motels.

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Re: [Talk-us] motel vs. hotel

[Joseph Eisenberg]

This was discussed at the main Tagging mailing list a couple of months ago:

Start of thread:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-December/041597.html
Continuation in January:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-January/041720.html

The wiki page for Motel was updated at that time:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Atourism%3Dmotel

A number of people said that the name on the sign is the main way to
distinguish a hotel vs a motel, but some thought that the easy access
to no-fee motor vehicle parking from the rooms was also a useful
distinction.


On 3/9/19, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> I've slept in some pretty nice places that had exterior room access. I
> wouldn't call that out as the only demarcating property. To my mind it's a
> combination of location, amenities and layout / architecture.
>
> Interesting discussion!
>
> Martijn van Exel
>
>> On Mar 8, 2019, at 18:03, Tod Fitch  wrote:
>>
>> For me the difference is interior hallway to access room (hotel) vs
>> exterior access to each room (motel).
>>
>>
>>> On March 8, 2019 4:47:33 PM PST, Peter Dobratz  wrote:
>>> How do you distinguish between the tourism=hotel and tourism=motel tags?
>>>
>>> The criteria that I was imagining is that a motel is a single story
>>> building where you have the ability to park you car directly outside of
>>> your room. A hotel would be other types of buildings such as multi-story
>>> where most guests cannot park directly outside their room.
>>>
>>> There's the curious case of the two Motel 6 facilities directly across
>>> the road from each other.  I had marked these as tourism=hotel based on
>>> the building architecture, but maybe all Motel 6's should be
>>> tourism=motel?
>>>
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1645570
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Peter
>>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] motel vs. hotel

[Martijn van Exel]

I've slept in some pretty nice places that had exterior room access. I wouldn't 
call that out as the only demarcating property. To my mind it's a combination 
of location, amenities and layout / architecture.

Interesting discussion!

Martijn van Exel

> On Mar 8, 2019, at 18:03, Tod Fitch  wrote:
> 
> For me the difference is interior hallway to access room (hotel) vs exterior 
> access to each room (motel).
> 
> 
>> On March 8, 2019 4:47:33 PM PST, Peter Dobratz  wrote:
>> How do you distinguish between the tourism=hotel and tourism=motel tags?
>> 
>> The criteria that I was imagining is that a motel is a single story building 
>> where you have the ability to park you car directly outside of your room. A 
>> hotel would be other types of buildings such as multi-story where most 
>> guests cannot park directly outside their room.
>> 
>> There's the curious case of the two Motel 6 facilities directly across the 
>> road from each other.  I had marked these as tourism=hotel based on the 
>> building architecture, but maybe all Motel 6's should be tourism=motel?
>> 
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1645570
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Peter
>> 
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Re: [Talk-us] motel vs. hotel

[Tod Fitch]

For me the difference is interior hallway to access room (hotel) vs exterior 
access to each room (motel).


On March 8, 2019 4:47:33 PM PST, Peter Dobratz  wrote:
>How do you distinguish between the tourism=hotel and tourism=motel
>tags?
>
>The criteria that I was imagining is that a motel is a single story
>building where you have the ability to park you car directly outside of
>your room. A hotel would be other types of buildings such as
>multi-story
>where most guests cannot park directly outside their room.
>
>There's the curious case of the two Motel 6 facilities directly across
>the
>road from each other.  I had marked these as tourism=hotel based on the
>building architecture, but maybe all Motel 6's should be tourism=motel?
>
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1645570
>
>What do you think?
>
>Thanks,
>Peter

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Re: [Talk-us] motel vs. hotel

[Ian Dees]

I think your description of motels as parking directly outside rooms is
good, but I've seen plenty of motels that had multiple stories.

Wikipedia's page on motels is good and has this definition:

"a type of hotel consisting of a single building of connected rooms whose
doors faced a parking lot and in some circumstances, a common area or a
series of small cabins with common parking"

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 6:49 PM Peter Dobratz  wrote:

> How do you distinguish between the tourism=hotel and tourism=motel tags?
>
> The criteria that I was imagining is that a motel is a single story
> building where you have the ability to park you car directly outside of
> your room. A hotel would be other types of buildings such as multi-story
> where most guests cannot park directly outside their room.
>
> There's the curious case of the two Motel 6 facilities directly across the
> road from each other.  I had marked these as tourism=hotel based on the
> building architecture, but maybe all Motel 6's should be tourism=motel?
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1645570
>
> What do you think?
>
> Thanks,
> Peter
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Re: [Talk-us] motel vs. hotel

[Kevin Broderick]

I thought the defining architectural difference was whether access to the
room was via interior hallway (hotel) or exterior walkway (motel).

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019, 19:51 Shawn K. Quinn  wrote:

> On 3/8/19 18:47, Peter Dobratz wrote:
> > How do you distinguish between the tourism=hotel and tourism=motel tags?
> >
> > The criteria that I was imagining is that a motel is a single story
> > building where you have the ability to park you car directly outside of
> > your room. A hotel would be other types of buildings such as multi-story
> > where most guests cannot park directly outside their room.
>
> Some motels have two- or even three-story buildings. For me, the
> defining difference would be that a hotel is closer to an airport or
> business district and either has limited parking or charges for parking,
> whereas motels as I know them never charge for parking, and are often
> farther away from the business districts and airports.
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Re: [Talk-us] motel vs. hotel

[Shawn K. Quinn]

On 3/8/19 18:47, Peter Dobratz wrote:
> How do you distinguish between the tourism=hotel and tourism=motel tags?
> 
> The criteria that I was imagining is that a motel is a single story
> building where you have the ability to park you car directly outside of
> your room. A hotel would be other types of buildings such as multi-story
> where most guests cannot park directly outside their room.

Some motels have two- or even three-story buildings. For me, the
defining difference would be that a hotel is closer to an airport or
business district and either has limited parking or charges for parking,
whereas motels as I know them never charge for parking, and are often
farther away from the business districts and airports.

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[Talk-us] motel vs. hotel

[Peter Dobratz]

How do you distinguish between the tourism=hotel and tourism=motel tags?

The criteria that I was imagining is that a motel is a single story
building where you have the ability to park you car directly outside of
your room. A hotel would be other types of buildings such as multi-story
where most guests cannot park directly outside their room.

There's the curious case of the two Motel 6 facilities directly across the
road from each other.  I had marked these as tourism=hotel based on the
building architecture, but maybe all Motel 6's should be tourism=motel?

https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1645570

What do you think?

Thanks,
Peter
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