Re: Hooray for Bayesit!
Hello Gunivortus,
A reminder of what Gunivortus Goos typed on:
10 September 2003 at 17:16:13 GMT +0200
GG Then I did this, and got the info, that it's version 0.4c.
0.4em is what mine reports as being.
Bit concerned I can't get the Options up on the final training tab.
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Bayesit training?
Hello TBBETA,
How often should I use the special menu option to mark mail as Spam or
NOT Spam?
Tell me if I got this correct.
If Bayesit misses a spam, I use said menu to mark it as spam so
Bayesit knows for next time?
Likewise if it filters a good message as spam I mark it as NOT spam
for next time?
Or is it all part of the learning process and I have to do that all
the time for all messages until it knows what is and isn't spam?
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Re[2]: Hooray for Bayesit!
Hello, Tony. You wrote 11.09.2003 @ 0:40 in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] using mailer The Bat! (v2.00.6) GG Then I did this, and got the info, that it's version 0.4c. TB 0.4em is what mine reports as being. I more interesting in Spam and Non-spam frequency dictionary information (also shown in information page, and also active-base statistic. TB Bit concerned I can't get the Options up on the final training tab. I doesn't implemented yet, so I just forbid it to exclude possible bugreports -- Sincerely, Alexey. Using TB 2.00.6 on WinXP Pro SP1 (2600), spelling by ORFO2002 (CSAPI) ..with Kaspersky Antivirus Plugin (ver 3.5 Gold) antispam filter BayesIt! 0.4dm mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Hooray for Bayesit!
Hello, Gunivortus. You wrote 11.09.2003 @ 0:16 in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] using mailer The Bat! (v2.00.6) Personal GG Guten Tag Alexey, After downloading, simple exit The Bat! and overwrite Program Files\Bayesit\bayesit.tbp with new one. Then restart The Bat! and go to service - Options - preferences - Plug-ins, check Bayesit and click Information. GG Then I did this, and got the info, that it's version 0.4c. Check the filename of your plugin installed (in plugin's tab of TB), exit The Bat and overwrite the file by the new one (may be it will be necessary to rename it bayesit.tbp - baes.tbp, AFAIR it was the name of 0.4c). Just changing of the file is the simpliest way to overwrite plugin in this case. If you delete the old and add a new, the Setup will be automatically run. -- Sincerely, Alexey. Using TB 2.00.6 on WinXP Pro SP1 (2600), spelling by ORFO2002 (CSAPI) ..with Kaspersky Antivirus Plugin (ver 3.5 Gold) antispam filter BayesIt! 0.4dm mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Hooray for Bayesit!
Hello, Tony. You wrote 11.09.2003 @ 0:35 in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] using mailer The Bat! (v2.00.6) ANV After downloading, simple exit The Bat! and overwrite Program ANV Files\Bayesit\bayesit.tbp with new one. Then restart The Bat! and go to ANV service - Options - preferences - Plug-ins, check Bayesit and click ANV Information. TB I did all that but now I can't get the configuration at all. It's TB greyed out. Not configuration inside plug-in! The information on Plug-ins tab (either not on Anti-spam, but plug-ins, the most bottom tab on The Bat! preferences). The button information (attached image) available on Plug-ins tab and shows the extended information about the plugin. -- Sincerely, Alexey. Using TB 2.00.6 on WinXP Pro SP1 (2600), spelling by ORFO2002 (CSAPI) ..with Kaspersky Antivirus Plugin (ver 3.5 Gold) antispam filter BayesIt! 0.4dm mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]attachment: information.png Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Hooray for Bayesit!
Hello, Tony. You wrote 11.09.2003 @ 0:27 in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] using mailer The Bat! (v2.00.6) TB Can I ask you to refresh my memory as to where it is please? http://klirik.narod.ru/usefuls/bayesit.htm, the direct link to download is http://klirik.narod.ru/arc/bayesit04dm.zip -- Sincerely, Alexey. Using TB 2.00.6 on WinXP Pro SP1 (2600), spelling by ORFO2002 (CSAPI) ..with Kaspersky Antivirus Plugin (ver 3.5 Gold) antispam filter BayesIt! 0.4dm mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit training?
Hello, Tony. You wrote 11.09.2003 @ 0:44 in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] using mailer The Bat! (v2.00.6) TB Hello TBBETA, TB How often should I use the special menu option to mark mail as Spam or TB NOT Spam? TB Tell me if I got this correct. TB If Bayesit misses a spam, I use said menu to mark it as spam so TB Bayesit knows for next time? TB Likewise if it filters a good message as spam I mark it as NOT spam TB for next time? Exactly! TB Or is it all part of the learning process and I have to do that all TB the time for all messages until it knows what is and isn't spam? You can also do this, but it is useless: Bayesit itself learn a letter as junk or not junk according to grade and threshold of mark as junk in The bat! preferences. If you want to assign it again, this is no problem, but nothing will happens, because BayesIt checks the dupes for such cases. Simply - only properly mark all mistaken letter, and don't care about properly recognized. But - in current situation - don't warn about this operations at all, because the filter doesn't make a self-learning yet, only collects the letters's information and store it). -- Sincerely, Alexey. Using TB 2.00.6 on WinXP Pro SP1 (2600), spelling by ORFO2002 (CSAPI) ..with Kaspersky Antivirus Plugin (ver 3.5 Gold) antispam filter BayesIt! 0.4dm mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: i don't know you
Hello David, On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:00:40 -0400 GMT (10/09/2003, 18:00 +0700 GMT), David R. Austen wrote: OK, screwdriver in hand now. :-) Anything else you want me to change here? I just saw that you sent it me by PM, as well as to the list. I already replied to you by PM - but I would like to change my mind. Yes, there is something I would like you to change: please don't post to both the list and PM at the same time. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Eine Ratte schwaermt der anderen vor: 'Ach ja, diese Lerngesetze sind schon toll! Jedes Mal wenn ich diesen Hebel druecke, muss mir der Weisskittel Futter geben!' Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Hooray for Bayesit!
Guten Tag Alexey, Check the filename of your plugin installed (in plugin's tab of TB), exit The Bat and overwrite the file by the new one (may be it will be necessary to rename it bayesit.tbp - baes.tbp, AFAIR it was the name of 0.4c). Just changing of the file is the simpliest way to overwrite plugin in this case. If you delete the old and add a new, the Setup will be automatically run. OK, deleted the plugin, so there were no plugins at all. Closed TB. Reopened TB. Pressed at Anti Spam the Add button and the install started. After 1/3 of the folders checked, a runtime error screen appeared and the install was halted. I could only press OK and TB was terminated. So the setup failed. -- Regards, Gunivortus Goos I have a food processor. How do I save stuff to disk? Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Hooray for Bayesit!
Hello Alexey,
A reminder of what Alexey N. Vinogradov typed on:
10 September 2003 at 00:46:14 GMT +0900
ANV I more interesting in Spam and Non-spam frequency dictionary information (also
ANV shown in information page, and also active-base statistic.
Think this is the info you need.
Note to Moderators: Is this getting too OT or is it OK?
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Re: Bayesit not working?
Hi Mark, on Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:06:12 +0200GMT (10.09.03, 14:06 +0200GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : MP - Nod32 already uses a localhost redirection. I'm affraid setting up K9 MP would mess up Nod32's behaviour... No it won't - except they used the same port perhaps... MP - My Spam filters still catch most of what comes in. Of course this is done MP by updating them continously. You'll have to do this with K9 as well, only that it's almost automatic. And as K9 learns with each message it digests, it will get less the longer you use it. -- Cheers Peter __ | Fight Spam! Join EuroCAUCE: http://www.euro.cauce.org/ | ~~ Winamp currently playing: Nancy Sinatra + Lee Hazlewood - Some Velvet Morning Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: inserting parentheses into TO field
Hello Thomas, On Tuesday, September 9, 2003 at 7:58:20 PM you [TF] wrote (at least in part): TF My point is that the user, while not RFC-conform, has expressed a TF clear intention who he wants to send the email to. And that's the point: he did not. If he would have done TB! wouldn't have to guess. TF TB concatenates in a way that sends the message to another address TF than intended (mutt doing the same is an irrelevant information). No. It's a relevant information in so far as mutt is an old and established MUA known to be very close to RFCs. It's also known to really seldom violate RFCs. And if even mutt assumes the same as TB! does chances are high it's something in the users input that is *not* unambiguously. TF Your point is that the user violated the RFCs. No. User did not send the message therefore he (she) did not violate RFC. User just gave input that's not RFC conform and indirectly asks The Bat! to make the best of it. I see your point an absolute novice can't know a MUA needs a delimiting character to be able to distinguish an address from a pure name: the ''. But there's nothing a MUA can do about this, except offering two input fields: Name and E-Mail-Address. Create a new mail, type in the address field: Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] *YOUR* intelligence tells you the latter is the address (and therefore needs to be embraced in angle brackets). But this intelligence can't be put into Delphi-(C/C++/whatever) code that simple. Imagine this address line given by the user: Thomas Thomas What I meant was: Thomas Thomas absolutely valid as an e-mail-address. You see the problem? Without a unique and unambiguously delimiting character The Bat! cannot safely and securely recognized what the user really meant. One can argue about the '@' is a unique identifier to recognize the e-mail-address. But this leads to another problem: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] What about this user input? Could be two addressees. Or could be '[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]' (e.g. in opposite to '[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]'). TF How will we find a solution? There are two possibilities: TF 1.) Force very user to read the RFCs. TF 2.) Send the message to where he declared it should go. TF Which do you think is the more sensible? We both know #1 is not realizable. But your second suggestions lacks a connection to reality. The point is: what we're discussing about is a scenario where the users did *NOT* declare where the message should go to; declare in a form an Internet message needs declaration. So I'd suggest somebody creates a wishlist item that asks to change the behavior to split at space character and if in doubt only use the last chunk that could be syntactically interpreted as valid e-mail-address. -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1) Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -- Publilius Syrus Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Hooray for Bayesit! NOT!
Hello Cees,
A reminder of what Cees typed on:
10 September 2003 at 18:24:08 GMT +0200
C I've tried it and it doesn't work. The very LEAST you can say of it, is
C that it isn't very userfriendly.
And it never will be unless people try it out and give the odd bit
of feedback. I want a fully integrated system rather than a tray
full of different TSR's.
It'll work... One day Thomas :)
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Re: Bayesit not working?
Hello Peter,
A reminder of what Peter Meyns typed on:
10 September 2003 at 18:45:00 GMT +0200
PM No it won't - except they used the same port perhaps...
One problem I found is K9 gets incoming mail first, passes it to TB
without it being scanned by Avast. Trouble is I can't get Avast on
it's own to connect to my pop server.
And yes I have edited my server to 127.0.0.1 and my log on to that
suggested in the help file.
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Re: Hooray for Bayesit!
Hei, Michael Krkoska wrote: I didn't change anything, neither in the TB config not in BayesIt config, so it's still 60. And so the setting under Out of 100 score to be used for actions below is still average? What do the others have here? -- Regards, Günther I$£ Automatic virus scanning with F-PROT, ROT13 and German FAQ: http://www.guenther-eisele.de/bat/index_e.htm TheBat! 2.00.6, Windows 2000 5.0 Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problem with Bayesit
Hi. I'm Italian so sorry for bad English... I have a problem with FIRST step during configuration of Bay. it stops EVERY time while initial 'learning' at this level of scanning my mail base (see the captured image) I have wait also for 10 mins without succes :( Any idea ? Thanks -- Saluti. attachment: Cattura.jpg Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit not working?
Hello Tony, Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 6:50:20 PM, you wrote: TB A reminder of what Peter Meyns typed on: TB 10 September 2003 at 18:45:00 GMT +0200 PM No it won't - except they used the same port perhaps... TB One problem I found is K9 gets incoming mail first, passes it to TB TB without it being scanned by Avast. Trouble is I can't get Avast on TB it's own to connect to my pop server. That's exactly what I am affraid of... -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 2.00 Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
