Re: Initial Observations
Hi Mic, Saturday, September 18, 2004, 12:16:40 AM, you wrote: Mic At 11:24 [GMT-0700] on Friday September 17 (actual time - 2:24am on Saturday Mic in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: Mic [snips] Razor Message / Save Draft gives an error dialog that says You Razor cannot leave the to field blank If I am saving a draft letter Razor should it have to be addressed to someone? I entered No One in Razor the To: field and it was allowed to save. Saved to the Outbox. Razor I think there should be a special folder for Drafts. Mic Absolutely. I've had it ping off unfinished emails for an unknown reason Mic because of this. VERY embarrassing. I very much like the idea of a special draft folder. I've just saved a couple and they are in the Outbox. Without going into the Outbox I can't tell if the posts there are drafts or just not sent for some reason. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated The Bat! 3.0 Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: X-Mailer Problems
Hæ! OK, finally, one mail from this list was tagged as SPAM. It was Keven Coates' Mail on Re: default browser changed. I have no idea why his mail was classified as SPAM (despite using TB! ;) and the others from this list aren't. I post the headers here: Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Flags: Delivered-To: GMX delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 3444 invoked by uid 65534); 17 Sep 2004 22:48:04 - Received: from gundel.de.clara.net (EHLO gundel.de.clara.net) (212.82.225.86) by mx0.gmx.net (mx024) with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 00:48:04 +0200 Received: from thirteen.its-toasted.org ([62.80.28.13]) by gundel.de.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1C8Rg4-000MZU-Bb for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 00:58:05 +0200 Received: (qmail 7804 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2004 22:47:59 - Received: from draenor.its-toasted.org (62.80.28.8) by thirteen.its-toasted.org with SMTP; 17 Sep 2004 22:47:59 - Received: from syr-24-58-84-53.twcny.rr.com ([24.58.84.53] helo=m505xl.twcny.rr.com) by draenor.its-toasted.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1C8RWF-00065s-Im for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 00:47:55 +0200 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:47:37 -0400 From: Kevin Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0.0.15) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Paul Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Rogue: :KBC: X-Request-PGP: http://tinyurl.com/3yaxz X-PGP-KeyID: 0x3A8E5CAD X-OpenPGP-Key-Fprint: 9C1F 9062 58EA 8DC9 CF14 FEDF BD94 AB54 3A8E 5CAD X-Archive: encrypt MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Relayed-By: GPGrelay Version 0.954 (Win32) X-Greylisted-at: draenor.its-toasted.org Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: default browser changed X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com List-Unsubscribe: http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/listinfo/tbbeta, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/listinfo/tbbeta, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary1448383946== Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-GMX-Antivirus: -1 (not scanned, may not use virus scanner) X-GMX-Antispam: 5 (Score=4.3; FORGED_MUA_THEBAT_BOUN) -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ [The Bat! v3.0.0.15 (without BayesIt) PopFile on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4] Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.0.15 Post Release is now available
On Saturday, September 18, 2004, 01:34, Paul Cartwright wrote: this is a beta, and the NFS filters are definitely suspect. They should NOT have been put out in a release version yet. i've had problems with me addressbook filters not working any more, I don't understand why. You know address book filtering broke in 3.0.0.7 but was fixed again in 3.0.0.8? (see https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3552) I see you are using 3.0.0.15, are your filters still broken in that version? -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.0.14 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: FORGED_MUA_THEBAT_BOUN
Hello TBBETA, on Thu, 16. Sep 2004 at 07:04:59 +0200 Thorvald Neumann wrote: Perhaps it would be wise to disable the X-Mailer as a default. Or just change the X-Mailer. Changing it would be the best option IMHO. -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc ICQ#152282665 Random software tip: [***] Total Commander (http://www.ghisler.com/) Lifted with The Bat! 2.12.03 on Windows XP Service Pack 2. Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: X-Mailer Problems
Hello Thorvald, On Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 8:31:49 AM Thorvald [TN] wrote: TN OK, finally, one mail from this list was tagged as SPAM. It was Keven TN Coates' Mail on Re: default browser changed. TN I have no idea why his mail was classified as SPAM (despite using TB! TN ;) and the others from this list aren't. Because his mail had boundaries set. See mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Guess someone should tell SpamAssassin and GMX the filter rule sets urgently need to be adjusted ... Therefore it would be good to hear from somebody @RITLabs about syntax of - X-Mailer header - and boundaries inserted by The Bat! for SA rules can be optimized to match all legal possibilities and maybe even hold valid in future versions of The Bat!. Dear programmers: what's the scheme you create boundary strings? Would be unlucky if somebody modifies the existing rule sets and excludes a possible pattern, just because nobody has perceived it in the wild yet. -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.0.0.15 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) If this were an actual tagline, it would be funny. Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: FORGED_MUA_THEBAT_BOUN
Hello dAniel! On Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 11:59:15 AM you wrote: Changing it would be the best option IMHO. Not in mine. As Pit pointed out (and me, too) the problem does not lie with TB's X-Mailer header but with sloppy sysads and developers of spam recognising sw. Yes, sometimes I use Opera's browser spoofing to get past a lazy, superfluous sniffing script. But I shouldn't. The three big browsers (IE, Mozilla in all its tastes, and Opera) don't have any trouble with most of what is used on the Web. currently only two sites pose problems to me: All Music Guide (after its initial, unusable, re-launch, working with Opera but still having rendering quirks) and the Java menu of Marantz. Point being: The user should decide what works and what not. In the case of e-mail, it is not some ISP I want to decide what I want to read and what not - or what loops senders have to jump through to get mail to me. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.0.15 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request The graveyards are full of people who rushed in bravely but unwisely. (Terry Pratchett) Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
OT: Hello, old user returning to TB
Hello TBBETA List, I recently bought my upgrade to TheBat! 3.0 Professional and I'm back using this program for most of my email needs (when I _have to_ write some stuff in html, I switch to Thunderbird, but that is quite rare). I participated last year (from july 2003 to more or less october 2003) in the last major beta period, but had to leave due to too numerous IMAP related issues that made impractical to spend time with the program, even for beta testing. So much things have been cleaned up since then! The 3.0 release, though far from being free of design problems and bugs (IMAP related) is of very good quality, well enough to work with it even while beta testing some late changes and fixes. I really miss the ability to tell TheBat! which IMAP folders are worth refreshing on a regular basis (only 7 or 8 out of my 200 folders hierarchy), but I can live without this and will draft a clear description of this later. I'll have to dig through the faq, known bugs, and wish-lists first: I guess some similar request has already been made. Yours, -- Cordialement, Olivier Mascia Using The Bat! v3.0.0.15 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.0.15 Post Release is now available
On Saturday, September 18, 2004, 4:08 AM, you wrote: this is a beta, and the NFS filters are definitely suspect. They should NOT have been put out in a release version yet. i've had problems with me addressbook filters not working any more, I don't understand why. MO You know address book filtering broke in 3.0.0.7 but was fixed again MO in 3.0.0.8? (see https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3552) MO I see you are using 3.0.0.15, are your filters still broken in that MO version? still broken. I also noticed when I just tried to create a filter, it wanted to put the folder in the account that had focus in the main TB window, even though I was using the Mail ticker to read mail, and the message was in a different account. -- Paul Using The Bat! v3.0.0.15 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Jun2004 (4.1.418) (avast! version number) 0438-3 (17.09.2004) (avast! DB version number) 4.1.418 (avast! plugin version number) Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
BayesIt 0.6.4
Hello, tbbeta. Version 0.6.4 (bugfix) [http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit064.rar] - major bug in Btree+ structure (used as the core for determining letter's uniquiness by the files .idx) which caused unstable working in release build. *** if you used previous (0.6.3) version, it is recommended to open the folder transact (which is placed in the base folder in the filter's working folder), open the file last.txt and change the value inside to 0. *** if you used previous (0.6.3 and below) version it is recommended to delete all .idx files in base folder which in the filter's working folder. -- Sincerely, Alexey. Using TB 3.0.0.15 on WinXP Pro SP2 (2600), spelling by ORFO2002 (CSAPI) ..with Kaspersky Antivirus Plugin (ver 3.5 Gold) antispam filter BayesIt! 0.6.4 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Releasing tension about NSF
Hello Paul, On 17 Sep 2004 at 17:02:14 -0400 GMT [23:02 CEST] you wrote: PC On Friday, September 17, 2004, 4:48 PM, you wrote: DH Thought it was due to the Spelling Reform. ;-) PP Potato guy? gdr shutting up :-) PC get it RIGHT!!! it's POTATOE Not according to my dictionary. singular: potato plural: potatoes -- Cheers, The Bat! 2.12.00 on Andre Windows XP Service Pack 2 1. If it's green or it wiggles, it's biology. 2. If it stinks, it's chemistry. 3. If it doesn't work, it's physics. Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Releasing tension about NSF
Hello Andre! On Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 3:17:59 PM you wrote: Not according to my dictionary. Would be interesting to find one in which the singular *is* potatoe. My advice then would be: Don't touch or even buy it! And this has nothing to do with the difference between potato chip and crisp (the correct word, I'd say). -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.0.15 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Do ask; don't lie. (Esther Dyson) Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Releasing tension about NSF
Hello Andre! On Saturday, September 18, 2004, 8:17 AM, you wrote: DH Thought it was due to the Spelling Reform. ;-) PP Potato guy? gdr shutting up :-) PC get it RIGHT!!! it's POTATOE AW Not according to my dictionary. AW singular: potato AW plural: potatoes Andre, this is a reference back to a thread on tbot. In a famous mis-step, vice-president of the U.S. (at the time) Dan Quayle was visiting a school classroom. A child had written potato correctly spelled on the chalkboard. Quayle corrected the youngster's spelling, actually walking up and adding an e to the word, in full view of the TV cameras covering this photo op. Has been a classic joke ever since, and we ran a long-digressing thread on tbot under the subject line Potatoe Guy--came to about 922 posts, IIRC. We've recently been recalling that on tbot, and so the exchange between Paul Cartwright and Peter Palmreuther is playing off that joke, since both of them currently read and post there. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.0.15 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Releasing tension about NSF
Hello Mary! On Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 3:43:13 PM you wrote: Has been a classic joke ever since Yeah, right up there with stumbling Gerald Ford ... -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.0.15 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Service economy: a business term meaning an economy where it is virtually impossible to get service. (Dave Barry) Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Yet another feature-request list (for NFS)
Hello Peter, Tuesday, September 14, 2004, 14:58 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 01. Common Filter Wish you could say for each common filter, whether it has higher or lower priority then account filters. Hmm, that might not be too transparent, i.e. what will actually happen. What do you mean with might not be too transparent? Actually all common filter has higher priority then account filters - means, first common filters, then account filters. Do you have an example? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03. New Condition: Address Book Contact Good point. I'd like to see additional (_secondary_) addresses for the same contact. These addresses would still be filtered Yes, thats the point: All addresses of one contact matches. 11. Action Run External program With %1, TheBat! gives the message to the external program, but why not according to a template? Good. I have no use for it but it is probably useful. I've no use for it either, but I think that better (less work but more powerfull) then than C:\test.exe %From %To (If this work?). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: BayesIt 0.6.4
On Sat 18-Sep-04 4:22pm -0400, Hendrik Oesterlin wrote: *** if you used previous (0.6.3 and below) version it is recommended to delete all .idx files in base folder which in the filter's working folder. done, deleted all *.idx files Hmm, if I read the instructions correctly, you weren't supposed to delete the one in the transact folder. TheBat! is consuming 100% CPU for half an hour. I have shut it down, restart TB!, still 100%CPU Not here. When I suspend Boinc (the control shell for [EMAIL PROTECTED]), my CPU usage stabilizes at less than 5% with TB! running and 0.6.4 enabled. If it makes a difference, I'm only using pop3. -- Best regards, Bill Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: X-Mailer Problems
Hello Kevin, On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:11:23 -0400 (18.09.2004 20:11 my local time), received Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 23:25:55 +0600, you wrote about X-Mailer Problems, at least in part: KC I'm wondering if my sending messages directly through my Advanced KC Direct Remailer SMTP Server, rather than going through my ISP might KC be triggering a spam flag. In this case ADR was single bad boy - it was classified as spamware KC Perhaps the combination of The Bat! header plus mail not coming from a KC registered source is the culprit. No. Combination of X-Mailer and MailMan's added message-part and boundary. I think, batters have to ask Justin Mason (SA creator) improve FORGED_* rule and additional check of presence any List-* rules PS - they had issue in Bugzilla already, marked with Milestone 3.1, without my last idea -- Best regards, Alexander Leschinsky Powered by The Bat! 2.13 Lucky Beta/8 POP3 Catcher 1.3.718.1120 MyMacros 1.11a AnotherMacros 0.3.21 /24ED1B1E0/ Useless Macro Collection 1.3.387 Weakened by Windows XP 5.1.2600 Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: X-Mailer Problems
Hello Peter, On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 12:35:47 +0200 (18.09.2004 16:35 my local time), received Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 20:11:36 +0600, you wrote about X-Mailer Problems, at least in part: PP Therefore it would be good to hear from somebody @RITLabs about syntax PP of PP - X-Mailer header PP - and boundaries inserted by The Bat! Justin already has it and use strictly PP for SA rules can be optimized to match all legal possibilities and PP maybe even hold valid in future versions of The Bat!. They are valid (for multipart messages, created in The Bat, but iNvalid in case of adding part and boundaries outside The Bat!) -- Best regards, Alexander Leschinsky Powered by The Bat! 2.13 Lucky Beta/8 POP3 Catcher 1.3.718.1120 MyMacros 1.11a AnotherMacros 0.3.21 /24ED1B1E0/ Useless Macro Collection 1.3.387 Weakened by Windows XP 5.1.2600 Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Visual RegExp debugger in BayesIt 0.6.4
Hello Alexey, Saturday, September 18, 2004, 10:04:48, you wrote: ANV Hello, tbbeta. ANV As I already said before in some letters (one of them was sent to TBTECH), this ANV version of BayesIt includes visual RegExp debugger. It was realized about month ANV ago, however I've received no suggestions and bugreports about it (I think, ANV because nobody tried it). OK. I created a simple RE (which, BTW, did not need to be that long, but test is test): ^Received[:].+[(]misconfigured\ssender[)] Set the back list to match, case sensitive, working on the headers, and applied it. Here's the result (BayesIt! 0.6.4): 18.09.2004 20:02:22 Black list was loaded successfully 18.09.2004 20:02:22 Beginning of preloading ignore list... Number of loaded ignore list rules: 0 18.09.2004 20:02:22 Ignore list was loaded successfully 18.09.2004 20:14:10 Beginning of preloading black list... Rule: SMTP configuration Can't initialize regular expression's library Number of loaded black list rules: 0 Number of errors in the black list of rules: 1 18.09.2004 20:14:10 Black list was loaded successfully I also tested the RE with The Regulator, using as input the headers of a spam I received. It matched correctly. Additionally, on the White/Black list Editor: if I click on the RegExpbutton, I get an access violation, and TB! does not respond anymore, forcing me to kill it. I get a pop-up titled The Bat! stating Access violation at address . Read of address .. Cheers, -- ..hggdh.. Using The Bat! v3.0.0.15 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Visual RegExp debugger in BayesIt 0.6.4
On Sat 18-Sep-04 10:04am -0400, Alexey N. Vinogradov wrote: Regexp debugger can be invoked by macro %REGEXED which can receive an optional parameter with regexp to be edited. The resulting regular expression will be written as the result of this macro. The most usable way (as I think) is to make a quick template which sill call %REGEXED. Alright, here's what I did: I created a qt named rt and containing: %RegExeD(%Clipboard)%- I opened a new email and typed in the message body: ^From:\s+[bdfk]illshifthomectrlx That put a regex in the clipboard. Next I typed: rtctrlspace The Bat! completely shut down immediately :-( Where did I go wrong? -- Best regards, Bill Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
