Html viewer and accented letters

[Fabio Cipparone]

Whenever I receive html messages sent by Italian mailing lists or newsletters
the accented letters are not displayed correctly.

For example instead of "è" I only see "È"

Is it a problem of the html viewer or do I have to set something in the bat?

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Re[2]: BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release

[Kian Andersen]

Zygmunt Wereszczynski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday, January 21, 2005, at 00:18:15 [UTC+0100] (Friday, January 21,
> 2005 00:18 my local time) Kian Andersen wrote:

KA Does this mean you have the translators?

>>> I don't know. This is just mean that these language are supported by RitLNG
>>> implementation.

>> How to I translate BayesIt! then?

> I think you need to subscribe the list for translators
> (https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lngcompiler-general).

>> Do I need some special program or?

> Yes, you need special language compiler made by Ritlabs. The language
> resources compiler uses original English resources published and updated on
> CVS server, so you need an account there. Additionally you need a CVS
> client program (I use WinCVS for these purposes).

That is to much for me! But thanks for the answer!
I was just thinking some special editor or something!
Not that it would be cvs and compiler!

Well then I can just hope that someone will translate
The Bat! and BayesIt! to Danish! :-(

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Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software

[Goncalo Farias]

LG> Hi Goncalo,
LG> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, at 04:11:56 [GMT +] (which was 9:11 PM where
LG> I live) you wrote:


GF>> Noun: demagog
GF>> 1. An orator who appeals to the passions and prejudices of his audience

LG> Aren't semantics great?
LG> Merriam Webster:

LG> Noun:
LG> a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and
LG> promises in order to gain power 

LG> The next time you decide to hang a characterization on someone, you
LG> might want to make sure you actually know what it is your calling
LG> them. One of the reasons for list rule "B.3".

I  did!  Maybe  we  should  make  a  rule  to  establish  the official
'dictionary/encyclopedia' :)

I'm using WordWeb 3.0.


GF>> Quoting Dierk Haasis (1949378823.20050118105056):
GF>> "As I always say, smileys don't make it better."   :))

LG> It wasn't meant to be a nice message. When you jump on a moderator
LG> for  making  a moderatorial decision you're essentially saying the
LG> rules  don't  matter. In the long history of these lists, only one
LG> person has ever gotten banned. He didn't agree with the list rules
LG> either. We're still here, he's not.

What  I'm saying is that some law should be applied with judgment, not
blindly. It puzzles me that people do give them the work to call other
people  to  attention because the signature delimiter isn't compatible
with TB!.
Really,  I  have  better  things to do so I just cut the signature and
move on.


LG> If  you  don't  like the list rules, you can go elsewhere. There's
LG> many  other  lists that might cater more to your liking. You could
LG> probably even top-post if you really wanted to.

If  this  was  a  list that didn't have to do with TB! beta tests, you
could be sure that I would go elsewhere.



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Re: Html viewer and accented letters

[Goncalo Farias]

FC> Whenever  I receive html messages sent by Italian mailing lists or
FC> newsletters the accented letters are not displayed correctly.

FC> For example instead of "è" I only see "È"
FC> Is  it  a problem of the html viewer or do I have to set something
FC> in the bat?

I  confirm  this.  Somehow  TB!  isn't  caring  much to the ISO-8859-1
standard. It doesn't happen all the time thought and changing to plain
text (windows) corrects it.

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Re: Update on the Status of Software

[Peter Fjelsten]

Goncalo,

On 21-01-2005 09:23, you [GF] wrote in
:
GF> Really, I have better things to do so I just cut the signature and
GF> move on.

Who else votes for a ban?

GF> If this was a list that didn't have to do with TB! beta tests, you
GF> could be sure that I would go elsewhere.

You do not need to be here to be informed of new betas. Not do you need
to be here for reporting bugs. What's keeping you?

Good bye.

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Re: BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release

[Zygmunt Wereszczynski]

On Friday, January 21, 2005, at 09:20:06 [UTC+0100] (Friday, January 21,
2005 09:20 my local time) Kian Andersen wrote:

>> Yes, you need special language compiler made by Ritlabs. The language
>> resources compiler uses original English resources published and updated on
>> CVS server, so you need an account there. Additionally you need a CVS
>> client program (I use WinCVS for these purposes).

> That is to much for me! But thanks for the answer!
> I was just thinking some special editor or something!
> Not that it would be cvs and compiler!

The language resource is simply text file, so you can translate it using
arbitrary text editor. Compiler with embedded editor has some
improvements comparing to ordinary editor. I think you should contact
Alexey Vinogradov, the author of BayesIt!, and he will help you. Or, if
you wish, I can send you original English resource this evening.

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Re[2]: BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release

[Kian Andersen]

Zygmunt Wereszczynski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday, January 21, 2005, at 09:20:06 [UTC+0100] (Friday, January 21,
> 2005 09:20 my local time) Kian Andersen wrote:

>>> Yes, you need special language compiler made by Ritlabs. The language
>>> resources compiler uses original English resources published and updated on
>>> CVS server, so you need an account there. Additionally you need a CVS
>>> client program (I use WinCVS for these purposes).

>> That is to much for me! But thanks for the answer!
>> I was just thinking some special editor or something!
>> Not that it would be cvs and compiler!

> The language resource is simply text file, so you can translate it using
> arbitrary text editor. Compiler with embedded editor has some
> improvements comparing to ordinary editor. I think you should contact
> Alexey Vinogradov, the author of BayesIt!, and he will help you. Or, if
> you wish, I can send you original English resource this evening.

I think I will wait till I hear from the Official Danish translator!
He had written on the lngcompiler mailing list,
so I want to hear if he is going to translate it
before I start anything!

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Bug in "Quote Name Limit"?

[Avi Yashar]

Is it just me. When I receive a message from someone who has
apostrophes in her/his name, then the Quote Name Limit feature goes
bonkers.

For example when I reply to a message from "A'ca'rya Somethinga'nanda
Avadhu'ta", what I get is lines that begin with "AcrSnAt>", regardless
what limit I set (currently 4 and based on initials). Even more
disturbing is the fact that this stops formatting as quoted text -
lines begin without the quoted initials prefix.

If anyone confirms, I will be happy to report a bug here. I have a lot
of correspondence with people who use ucchis (like apostrophes) in
their names.

By the way, Marck and Leif, I notice that on this forum dead horses
somehow manage to keep trucking along, and even the coroners who issue
the death certificate seem to carry on conversations with the
deceased. It's enough to make me believe in the supernatural. But
then, bats - aren't they associated with people who live in caskets
and only come out at night? :-)

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Re[5]: Update on the Status of Software

[Paul Van Noord]

1/21/2005  5:17 AM

Hi Goncalo,

>Maybe I lost my sensibility.
Maybe.

Attitude is very important...no, attitude is everything!

Your carping and sniping is clogging up the positive communication.
Please restrict your correspondence to issues regarding The Bat! beta.
I, for one, will appreciate it immensely.

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Re: Update on the Status of Software

[Mary Bull]

Hello Paul!

On Friday, January 21, 2005, 4:32 AM, you wrote:

> Please restrict your correspondence to issues regarding The Bat!
> beta. I, for one, will appreciate it immensely.

Confirmed. I will appreciate that immensely, also. We are going to
receive a new beta--in the development team's good time--and we, every
one of us, will need the good attitude that you point out, in order to
work usefully together.

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Re: Update on the Status of Software

[Eddie Castelli]

Dear Maxim,

   -->> Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2005, 21:38:07:


>> As you count the major changes of the coming Version may I ask the
>> follow: Have there being any changes in the AB? I'm asking as I
>> feel many times the need to have more than one (1) subfolder.
> No, we didn't plan this for the upcoming version.

Any chance for the next one?


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Re: Multipart message question

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Friday, January 21, 2005, 03:23, James Senick wrote:

> I'm really not sure if this is a beta issue or not. I receive Web
> statistics reports that are multipart html messages with embedded
> images.

> Forwarding these messages leaves the recipient without images since
> the embedded images are sent as part_01.jpg, part_02.jpg, etc..

Try Specials | Alternative Forward.

> Also, double-clicking the html "attachment" renders it in the browser
> without images for the same reason.

Check out https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3752. This BT item both
outlines a workaround and is a feature wish. Feel free to add your
comments.

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Re: Html viewer and accented letters

[Hendrik Oesterlin]

"Goncalo Farias" wrotes on 21/01/2005 at 19:26:14 +1100 
subject "Html viewer and accented letters" :

FC>> Whenever  I receive html messages sent by Italian mailing lists or
FC>> newsletters the accented letters are not displayed correctly.

FC>> For example instead of "è" I only see "È"
FC>> Is  it  a problem of the html viewer or do I have to set something
FC>> in the bat?

> I  confirm  this.  Somehow  TB!  isn't  caring  much to the ISO-8859-1
> standard. It doesn't happen all the time thought and changing to plain
> text (windows) corrects it.

Could you please send such email to the list (including the complete
source code)? I think that the error is in wrong HTML code rather than
an error from TB!

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sig delimiter problem

[Cees]

Het was op donderdag 20 januari 2005 om 22:31 uur dat jij iets schreef over 
'Update on the Status of Software' :

Hallo Leif,

> At any rate, the point is that you are violating list rules. I didn't
> even send you an official moderation message as you were doing most of
> it right.

 I apologize for my bad temper and misplaced reaction.
 I've changed the avg plugin to check and mark only  e-mails with attachment.
 Let's see if it works...

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Re: sig delimiter problem

[Mary Bull]

Hello Cees!

On Friday, January 21, 2005, 6:52 AM, you wrote:

> I apologize for my bad temper and misplaced reaction. I've changed
> the avg plugin to check and mark only e-mails with attachment. Let's
> see if it works...

You have put a very happy smile on my face.

The sig de-limiter in your message to which I'm replying needs one
more thing: a space after the two dashes. Then it will work.

You know, dash-dash  and then press  or maybe
 is marked  on your machine.

You can tell if you have it right, in your Edit Mail Message window,
by pressing Back Space after you have the sig done. The Back Space
will show you the invisible extra space after the two dashes, by not
putting your cursor right up against them.

Sorry if I'm describing it poorly. Do please keep trying. You can
accomplish it, and I am so very happy and proud of you!

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Re: Update on the Status of Software

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Eddie!

On Friday, January 21, 2005 at 12:41:30 PM you wrote:

> Any chance for the next one?

Let's just let them work out this one! Too many already complained
that it takes so long.




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Re[2]: sig delimiter problem

[Cees]

Het was op vrijdag 21 januari 2005 om 14:06 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'sig 
delimiter problem' :

Hallo Mary,
  
> Sorry if I'm describing it poorly. Do please keep trying. You can
> accomplish it, and I am so very happy and proud of you!

 is this better??

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Re: sig delimiter problem

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Cees,

@21-Jan-2005, 14:11 +0100 (21-Jan 13:11 UK time) Cees [C] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Mary:

>> Sorry if I'm describing it poorly. Do please keep trying. You can
>> accomplish it, and I am so very happy and proud of you!

C>  is this better??

" Err - hello, Houston? ... We have perfection ... over
..."

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Re: sig delimiter problem

[Mary Bull]

Hello Cees!

On Friday, January 21, 2005, 7:11 AM, you wrote:

>> ... I am so very happy and proud of you!

>  is this better??

Perfect! Thank you so very much!!

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Re: sig delimiter problem

[Manuel Breitfeld]

Hello Cees,

on 21.01.2005 at 14:11 you wrote:

>  is this better??
Perfect.

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Re: sig delimiter problem

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Cees,

Friday, January 21, 2005, 5:52:57 AM, you wrote:
C> I apologize for my bad temper and misplaced reaction. I've changed
C> the avg plugin to check and mark only e-mails with attachment.
C> Let's see if it works...


No problem... :-)

I too apologize if I came across too harshly. After modding these list
for 7+ years, it's hard to keep your patience each and every time we
have to explain why the rules are the way they are.

And I do really appreciate your patience and willingness to help make
the TB lists the best out there.

Thank you very much!

Friends

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Re: Update on the Status of Software

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Marck,

Thursday, January 20, 2005, 4:14:48 PM, you wrote:
M> Just to pick you up *right* there my friend, there is an extremely
M> good reason why TB does it the way it does it and why it is not
M> wrong. Far from it. It is absolutely correct. Imagine a digest with
M> multiple messages and multiple signatures. TB *has* to consider
M> only the final cutmark otherwise all text below the first cutmark
M> would be displayed using the signature font / style / colour (which
M> in my instance is grey). Digests become hard to read and hard to
M> reply to.

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Screenreaders and TB (was: Update on the Status of Software)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Maxim,

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:46:37 +0200 GMT (20/01/2005, 23:46 +0700 GMT),
Maxim Masiutin wrote:

MM> I will give a little technical update.

Thanks.

MM> The batskin.ini, which was a temporary glyph definition file, will
MM> no longer be read, the new file which will persist will be
MM> batskin.xml;

OK. When I read about skins, I think about screenreader accessability.
May be unrelated in this case, but is this bug being addressed?

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0001762

Especially, are you observing the MSAA (Microsoft Active
Accessability) standards?

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Re[2]: sig delimiter problem

[Cees]

Het was op vrijdag 21 januari 2005 om 15:32 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'sig 
delimiter problem' :

Hallo Leif,

C>> I apologize for my bad temper and misplaced reaction. I've changed
C>> the avg plugin to check and mark only e-mails with attachment.
C>> Let's see if it works...
 
___\/___
  o/\o
 
> And I do really appreciate your patience and willingness to help make
> the TB lists the best out there.
> Thank you very much!

No problemo.
After thoroughly reading the listreplies, I also figured out why it should be
this  way.  The  sig  delimiter  stuff  I  mean.  And  I totally overreacted:
text-only messages cannot even contain a virus hence the avg-plugin marker is
totally unnecessary in these cases.

> Friends

 Sure... let's grab a drink and throw some darts? ;)
 
> P.S. I really am a nice guy once you get to know me  :-)

 Same here ;)

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Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software

[Goncalo Farias]

GMM> Friday, January 21, 2005, 6:11:56 AM, Goncalo Farias wrote:

GMM> I don't think that moderators are demagogs. This is contradiction in terms,

I  was referring to the concern with those people paying their internet
per byte DL'ed.


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Re[2]: Html viewer and accented letters

[Goncalo Farias]

HO> "Goncalo Farias" wrotes on 21/01/2005 at 19:26:14 +1100 
HO> subject "Html viewer and accented letters" :

>> I  confirm  this.  Somehow  TB!  isn't  caring  much to the ISO-8859-1
>> standard. It doesn't happen all the time thought and changing to plain
>> text (windows) corrects it.

HO> Could you please send such email to the list (including the complete
HO> source code)? I think that the error is in wrong HTML code rather than
HO> an error from TB!

I  would but unfortunately it contains sensitive information. I'll try
to find one that doesn't.

I also noticed something wierd. My TB! is configure to used Plain Text
(MicroEd)   but  some  mails  are  exhibited  as Plain Text (Windows).
Mostly I see this with spam mails but I thinks this is a bug.


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Re[3]: Update on the Status of Software

[Cees]

Het was op vrijdag 21 januari 2005 om 23:41 uur dat jij iets schreef over 
'Update on the Status of Software' :

Hallo Goncalo,
  
GMM>> I don't think that moderators are demagogs. This is contradiction in 
terms,

> I  was referring to the concern with those people paying their internet
> per byte DL'ed.

 You  know,  I  wouldn't  mind if this 'discussion' stopped. I know it was my
 lousy message that started off this thread...  can I make a lousy request to
 stop it right here and now? ;)

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Re[4]: Update on the Status of Software

[Goncalo Farias]

C> Het was op vrijdag 21 januari 2005 om 23:41 uur dat jij iets
C> schreef over 'Update on the Status of Software' :

C> Hallo Goncalo,
  
GMM>>> I don't think that moderators are demagogs. This is contradiction in 
terms,

>> I  was referring to the concern with those people paying their internet
>> per byte DL'ed.

C>  You  know,  I  wouldn't  mind if this 'discussion' stopped. I know it was my
C>  lousy message that started off this thread...  can I make a lousy request to
C>  stop it right here and now? ;)

I  already  did.  That  was my last email to that matter (not counting
this  one).  As you may see I trimmed the whole message leaving little
to be replied.

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Goncalo Farias

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