Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 01:09:27AM +0100, MAU wrote: >> I can't and won't comment about filters being able to copy/move to >> Outbox, let me ask you, why I should not be able to manually copy a >> message to Outbox? Where's the enforcing necessity to forbid me, as an >> adult, well-informed, tech-freaky user, to resend a message by simply >> copying it from Sent to Outbox? Maybe I got a bounce, because the >> destination server was down, I checked back, it's up again and I'm >> simply to lazy to search for "Resend" menu entry ... I simply want to >> make the message appear in Outbox again, and being sent after I unparked >> it. My decision, my responsibility. No need to castrate a program and >> prevent me from doing so, without really exigent reasons ... > As a well-informed adult, shouldn't you think about all users and not > just of yourself? I do. That's why I think the Draft folder would be a good addition to being able to Drag 'n Drop a message to Oubox for resending it. the one for my, the other for other needs. > And as a tech-freaky user, even a lazy one, or precisely because of > being lazy, why don't you use Customise to put Re-send in you RMB > context menu? Because I hate fiddling with the mouse for hitting the small menu item, when there's the possibility of an easier solution. Don't get me wrong, I do use the mouse, I do use the RMB, but I also do make use of Drag 'n Drop when possible ;-) > This way Re-send will be easier (and less energy consuming for you) > than copying to Outbox. I beg to differ. In my opinion it will neither be easier nor less energy consuming; Me personally would prefer DnD :-) > Or maybe as a tech-freaky user you don't like to use the mouse and > prefer keyboard shortcuts. I do use the keyboard, but somehow I never got the shortcur for "Resend" into my mind. That's one of the few I can't remember, maybe because I don't use it a minimum of once a day. That nevertheless does not mean I don't need it. > If so, what's wrong with remembering and using Shift+F6? Yes, I know > you have said that you want to re-send the message but not really, you > want to move to outbox but keep it parked until you really want to > re-send it. Let me ask you something, how many times a day do you do > that on the average? ;-) As said: not necessarily once or more a day, but I nevertheless don't see the need to restrict me, WHEN I want (or need) to do. As I said: I'm "pro Draft folder" as it fulfills some requirements, but I'm to "pro Copy/Move to Outbox", as it's good for other things. I don't see the problem if both is implemented, those who don't want to resend a message by putting it into Outbox don't have to make use of it, those who do use it can be protected from accidentally sending the message by OPF ... Where's the concrete conflict? Where's the reason why OPF must not exist and copying/moving to Outbox should be forbidden? -- Best regards, Peter Palmreuther Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Dwight, > I do have to disagree here. I belong to lists with addresses from > which I can't post, but which must be the sender. The only cure to > that is to compose the message with that account, and put the message > in that outbox. Then you have to drag the message from that outbox to > the outbox of the e-mail account which the smtp server where you are > writing will accept. I have a hard day ahead so I won't have time for many discussions today, but I don't think that is "the only cure" to what you want/need to do. I'm sure it can be done with templates and/or folder identities. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Peter, >> As a well-informed adult, shouldn't you think about all users and not >> just of yourself? > > I do. That's why I think the Draft folder would be a good addition to > being able to Drag 'n Drop a message to Oubox for resending it. > the one for my, the other for other needs. But then the "outbox protection feature" has to be implemented also, and that 'dirty trick' is precisely what I was trying to avoid by suggestion the implementation of a Draft folder now. As I said in one of my last messages last night, I can perfectly live without a Drafts folder and with OPF. I'm just thinking about the so called 'average users' and the novice ones to come (which I want to be many so TB's continued development will never be in danger). I'm quite sure that almost every TB user, including ourselves, where quite annoyed the very first time we saved a draft and then could not find a Drafts folder. Just like most people would be annoyed if their spam and viruses ended up in Outbox instead of in Junk and Quarantine folders, even if they were _parked_ as 'Junk' or 'Virus'. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.63.09: You cannot leave To: field blank
Hello Dwight, >> Please look at attached GIF, I got this warning when clicking Send. >> Annoying, ain't it? > > had same experience. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5446 -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.63.09: Auto-complete drop-down lists for addresses and subject
Hello Mary, >> However, it is annoying for me because I have auto-complete set to >> "Default address book only", so history should not be used, and I do >> NOT have 'Automatically complete subject from history' selected, so >> history should not be used either. This may just be 'the bug'. > >> Can anyone confirm? > > Confirmed. It had been getting in my way, on .09, because I was using > "Write a message to this address" and erasing the "organization" info > for a neater To field, and all those alternate "history" choices > dropped down. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5447 -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Alternate e-mail addresses
Hello, MAU, Monday, December 12, 2005, you wrote: >> Would anyone support my feature request at BT? >> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5358 M> I've just added a supporting note. Thanks! Noticed quite a few of the support notes this morning :) With best regards. - TB! v.3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP Service Pack 2 v.5.1.2600, up 15 days, 1h 10m 23s - BayesIt! 0.8.4, MyMacros 1.11a, TBPajsMacro v.0.6.5.11 -- Konstantin Zhilenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]| ICQ: 7212604 | http://onyx.kiev.ua Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: TB! 3.63.08 Reply templates broken ?
Hello Mary, Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 2:05:02 AM, you wrote: > It has saved me from one of the dangers of "autocomplete"--that it > might complete an address to a public list when you have set out to > type in a Private Mail address. > Get in a hurry--and "autocomplete" is as dangerous as a folder > template. ;) stepped on it already. options -> preferences -> system -> "complete addresses from" and there were discussions that the default isn't failsafe enough. -- Best regards, vitaliemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB! 3.63.08 Reply templates broken ?
Hello vitalie! On Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 4:43 AM, you wrote: >> It has saved me from one of the dangers of "autocomplete"--that it >> might complete an address to a public list when you have set out to >> type in a Private Mail address. >> Get in a hurry--and "autocomplete" is as dangerous as a folder >> template. ;) > stepped on it already. Thank you so very much! > options -> preferences -> system -> "complete addresses from" > and there were discussions that the default isn't failsafe enough. I appreciate you and the development team with all my heart. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.63.09: Auto-complete drop-down lists for addresses and subject
Hello MAU! On Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 3:12 AM, you wrote: >>> However, it is annoying for me because I have auto-complete set to >>> "Default address book only", so history should not be used, and I >>> do NOT have 'Automatically complete subject from history' >>> selected, so history should not be used either. This may just be >>> 'the bug'. >>> Can anyone confirm? >> Confirmed. It had been getting in my way, on .09, because I was >> using "Write a message to this address" and erasing the >> "organization" info for a neater To field, and all those alternate >> "history" choices dropped down. > https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5447 Supporting note added. Thanks, Miguel. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Ian! On Monday, December 12, 2005, 11:54 PM, you wrote: JS>> As for the Drafts folder proposal, why can't one just create a JS>> folder called "drafts" and drag the "saved as draft" message to JS>> it? It's very intuitive that way since you simply drag into-it :) JS>> It's certainly no more time consuming than jumping through JS>> the hoops that the "should never be possible" type features JS>> place before me. > I thought about that and was about to post a similar message but > then realised that the only problem is that the only folder you can > edit a message in is the Outbox. The Draft folder (if implemented) > would have to have the ability to allow messages to be edited > otherwise you would not be able to do anything with the messages > without moving them to the Outbox, but then moving or copying > messages to the outbox would be prevented. > Probably the simplest would be to either have an alert dialog, or > when moved to the outbox (other than by saving ready to send) the > message is parked or as it is called in the present message editor > saved as a draft. But this still does not solve my problem, that the Outbox over-rides my AB templates. And there is no way to counter that problem except to have another careful look at the headers. As I wrote to Maxim, I have several different PGP-signing macros in various templates in the AB: Sign Complete Sign and Encrypt Complete No Sign Complete As soon as my message is in the Outbox and I re-open it for editing purposes, the Account settings for Privacy kick in, over-riding my AB preferences as MicroEd does not when used in any other circumstance than re-opening a message in the Outbox. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello MAU! On Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 2:48 AM, you wrote: >> ... I think the Draft folder would be a good addition to >> being able to Drag 'n Drop a message to Oubox for resending it. >> the one for my, the other for other needs. > But then the "outbox protection feature" has to be implemented also, > and that 'dirty trick' is precisely what I was trying to avoid by > suggestion the implementation of a Draft folder now. Yes. And a Draft folder is an elegant alternative for getting past the "difficulty" the "outbox protection feature" is attempting to solve. > As I said in one of my last messages last night, I can perfectly > live without a Drafts folder and with OPF. I'm just thinking about > the so called 'average users' and the novice ones to come (which I > want to be many so TB's continued development will never be in > danger). I'm quite sure that almost every TB user, including > ourselves, where quite annoyed the very first time we saved a draft > and then could not find a Drafts folder. Just like most people would > be annoyed if their spam and viruses ended up in Outbox instead of > in Junk and Quarantine folders, even if they were _parked_ as 'Junk' > or 'Virus'. Good thinking. And in an editable Draft folder, presumably the code would not have the folder over-ride my AB template settings with Account folder settings. At present, the Outbox does this, when I re-open a message from it for more editing. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.63.09: Multi-line headers in Editor
Hello all, Please see attached. I've noticed when doing a reply to all with enough addresses in the CC field. Really nice!! :) However, it seems that it is not working 100% yet, the last address is now displayed, just the name. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Multi_line.png Description: PNG image Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Drafts folder - what's the point?
12/13/2005 6:36 AM Hi Mary, On 12/13/2005 Mary Bull wrote: MB> Hello MAU! MB> On Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 2:48 AM, you wrote: >>> ... I think the Draft folder would be a good addition to >>> being able to Drag 'n Drop a message to Oubox for resending it. >>> the one for my, the other for other needs. >> But then the "outbox protection feature" has to be implemented also, >> and that 'dirty trick' is precisely what I was trying to avoid by >> suggestion the implementation of a Draft folder now. MB> Yes. And a Draft folder is an elegant alternative for getting past the MB> "difficulty" the "outbox protection feature" is attempting to solve. >> As I said in one of my last messages last night, I can perfectly >> live without a Drafts folder and with OPF. I'm just thinking about >> the so called 'average users' and the novice ones to come (which I >> want to be many so TB's continued development will never be in >> danger). I'm quite sure that almost every TB user, including >> ourselves, where quite annoyed the very first time we saved a draft >> and then could not find a Drafts folder. Just like most people would >> be annoyed if their spam and viruses ended up in Outbox instead of >> in Junk and Quarantine folders, even if they were _parked_ as 'Junk' >> or 'Virus'. MB> Good thinking. MB> And in an editable Draft folder, presumably the code would not have MB> the folder over-ride my AB template settings with Account folder MB> settings. At present, the Outbox does this, when I re-open a message MB> from it for more editing. Extremely well put! These problems need an elegant solution that works intuitively for _most_ people. I too have the multiple account sending problem that Dwight has but that situation is clearly an exception and must be managed as an exception. It is the price we pay for putting ourselves in that position. I am growing weary of the seeming lack of vision for the broad picture that affects most users. When I expose a new customer to TB! I tell them up front that it is quirky and the Help is horrendous but if they will hang in there while I get them trained they will have a tremendously _safe_ tool at their disposal. Let's correct the "quirks" and give _more_ control to the user instead of wresting away what they already have. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.63.09 (BETA) on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP No OTFE Opera 9 Beta 1 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Voyager Versions
12/13/2005 6:45 AM Hello all, Is there a 3.63.08 version of Voyager available? If so, can you provide a link? Thank You Very Much! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.63.09 (BETA) on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP No OTFE Opera 9 Beta 1 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Mod: Reply for new thread (was: Voyager Versions)
Hallo Paul, On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:46:33 -0500GMT (13-12-2005, 12:46 +0200, where I live), you wrote: PVN> Is there a 3.63.08 version of Voyager available? If so, can you PVN> provide a link? Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Paul. )<)))'> Please don't use reply to start a new thread. Your question has been posted at the bottom of an unrelated topic. The Bat! is a threading mail client. See "View | View threads by | Reference" to see where it ended up. The result is that it will only be seen by those reading that thread instead of by all users. I recommend that you post your question again using a "New message" if you want to see more replies to your query. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. -- Groetjes, Roelof "Oops" : A technical term widely used by sysops and moderators pgptfh0TFgODy.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Voyager Versions
Hallo Paul, On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:46:33 -0500GMT (13-12-2005, 12:46 +0100, where I live), you wrote: PVN> Is there a 3.63.08 version of Voyager available? No. -- Groetjes, Roelof 4 aces beats full house. Smith & Wesson beats 4 aces. The Bat! 3.63.08 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpUEdindcctV.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Peter Fjelsten, > GP> The last time I tried to use this, TB placed a series of copies of > GP> the message in the outbox with parked flags. It seems to me that a > GP> copy of the message in its most recent form would be sufficient. > GP> Also, once the message has been successfully sent, the draft copy > GP> should vanish. > > You're using IMAP, right? > > In IMAP it doesn't work properly! And of course it should. Actually it seems to me that somebody mentioned using a local outbox helps, and it did, but I still ended up not using the feature. I am reminded of the last time I tried to move a folder up in the server hierarchy. I ended up deleting my folder preferences file to get TB back to normal. Not sure if that has been fixed. I haven't noticed it being mentioned in the beta release notes. I confess I am currently using Becky because so many things that don't work have made TB unusable for me. Becky has two very nice features where you can add notes to a message that stand out as notes, and you can specify keywords that appear marked wherever they appear in messages. These don't work in Becky for IMAP either. Yes, I understand that IMAP is much more difficult to work with than POP. But from a user standpoint, these lapses are simply unforgivable. I once told Slaven Radich of Pocomail that I would pay $160 (I chose that figure because it is twice the cost of his high end product) for a really good complete IMAP implementation. He is far from claiming the prize. So are all the rest. -- Gleason Using The Bat! 3.63.09 on Windows XP Version 5.1 Build 2600. Connecting to the Fastmail server which uses Cyrus IMAP software. Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Folder hierarchy in POP3 accounts [was Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?]
Hello Gleason! On Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 8:34 AM, you wrote: > ... I am reminded of the last time I tried to move a folder up in > the server hierarchy. I ended up deleting my folder preferences file > to get TB back to normal. Not sure if that has been fixed. I haven't > noticed it being mentioned in the beta release notes. By server hierarchy, are you still talking about behavior in IMAP? I paid attention to your complaint, before, when you first posted about this happening to you, and although I would like to rearrange the Account Tree (folder hierarchy) in my own two Accounts (which are POP3--I don't run IMAP), I restrained myself from further drag-and-drop of them, lest I lose something that would be hard to put back. If this is only applying to IMAP, then I may get brave and rearrange the order of a few more folders to make the Account Tree more convenient for me. Comments? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Folder hierarchy in POP3 accounts [was Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?]
Mary Bull, > By server hierarchy, are you still talking about behavior in IMAP? Yes, IMAP. > I paid attention to your complaint, before, when you first posted > about this happening to you, and although I would like to rearrange > the Account Tree (folder hierarchy) in my own two Accounts (which are > POP3--I don't run IMAP), I restrained myself from further > drag-and-drop of them, lest I lose something that would be hard to put > back. > > If this is only applying to IMAP, then I may get brave and rearrange > the order of a few more folders to make the Account Tree more > convenient for me. > > Comments? I think it might be useful for others who read my complaint to know if it works for POP. -- Gleason Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Folder hierarchy in POP3 accounts [was Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?]
Hello Gleason! On Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 9:06 AM, you wrote: >> If this is only applying to IMAP, then I may get brave and rearrange >> the order of a few more folders to make the Account Tree more >> convenient for me. >> >> Comments? > I think it might be useful for others who read my complaint to know if > it works for POP. Apparently it's working okay for POP in beta v. 3.63.08. I created a new folder under my Inbox. I have dragged two Inbox folders into the new folder as subfolders. From another folder, I dragged three subfolders out and placed them as Inbox folders. No problems with any of these operations. I used Alt plus drag-and-drop for them. So it's apparently only an IMAP server folders problem. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Maxim, Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 5:27:58 AM, you wrote: MM> What's the point of th Drafts folder if there is "draft" per-message flag in the Outbox? MM> There are mail clients that have a separate Drafts folder, but this is because they don't have an opportunity to park individual messages by the "draft" flag. MM> We cal alter the "outbox protection feature" to automatically mark all messages copied to the outbox as "draft". This will save from accidentally sending them. You will have to explicitly MM> unpark them to send them out. it's simple, for scheduled mail delivery, currently TB can only scheduled deliver message created by QT or all message in outbox which is unparked. I cannot scheduled designated message in scheduler unless I made it QT. -- Best regards, Ming Changmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Translator of Chinese The Bat! Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 Windows 2000 Advanced Server (v5.0.2195, Service Pack 4) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.63.09: You cannot leave To: field blank
Hello MAU, On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:11:43 +0100 GMT (13/12/2005, 08:11 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: M> Now look at the new attachment about Subject. M> Has anyone else seen any of these warnings? Yes. It has been like this for many versions. You can choose not to have the warning displayed. -- Cheers, Thomas. Every day, the hummingbird eats its own weight in food. You may wonder how it weighs the food. It doesn't. It just eats another hummingbird. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.63.09: Multi-line headers in Editor
Hello MAU, On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:40:03 +0100 GMT (13/12/2005, 18:40 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: M> Please see attached. I've noticed when doing a reply to all with enough M> addresses in the CC field. Really nice!! :) Yes, confirmed with 3.62.14 in the office. :-) M> However, it seems that it is not working 100% yet, the last address is M> now displayed, just the name. I had one such message in the office (circular with over 100 addresses), and IIRC correctly, the display stopped after three lines. To see more, you have to click on the right-most icon that appears when the CC field is active. I think it's OK to limit the number of lines displayed automatically. -- Cheers, Thomas. Desktop Publishing: Ein Phaenomen, das bewirkt, dass ehemals sauber getippte Briefe heute so aussehen wie miserabel gestaltete Postwurfsendungen. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Let's campaign for the implementation of a DRAFT folder
Hello MAU, On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:58:02 +0100 GMT (12/12/2005, 23:58 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: M> The Draft folder has been suggested/wanted for years and it could wait a M> few more. However, I would like to avoid the present solution introduced M> in 3.63.09 to be released, as that would probably mean a definitive M> no-no to a draft folder. I see your point about the overdue draft folder, but I have no problem with the optional new suggested solution, as long as it is OFF by default, because I won't use it. -- Cheers, Thomas. Unsere Leistung, Ihr Vorteil! Wir haben bis 5.1.2000 geschlossen. * http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.63.09: You cannot leave To: field blank
Hello Thomas! On Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 10:05 AM, you wrote: M>> Now look at the new attachment about Subject. M>> Has anyone else seen any of these warnings? > Yes. It has been like this for many versions. You can choose not to > have the warning displayed. But Miguel has evidently found a bug. He is getting the warning when he already has the To field occupied and when he already has a line in the Subject field. Look closely at his illustrative attachments. ;) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Peter, On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:28:24 +0100 GMT (13/12/2005, 06:28 +0700 GMT), Peter Palmreuther wrote: PP> I can't and won't comment about filters being able to copy/move to PP> Outbox, let me ask you, why I should not be able to manually copy a PP> message to Outbox? Where's the enforcing necessity to forbid me, as an PP> adult, well-informed, tech-freaky user, to resend a message by simply PP> copying it from Sent to Outbox? Maybe I got a bounce, because the PP> destination server was down, I checked back, it's up again and I'm PP> simply to lazy to search for "Resend" menu entry ... I simply want to PP> make the message appear in Outbox again, and being sent after I unparked PP> it. My decision, my responsibility. No need to castrate a program and PP> prevent me from doing so, without really exigent reasons ... I work the the same as you do. PP> How does a Drafts folder plays with my Resend-issue? No, different issue. A Drafts folder will still allow you to open the messages and edit them, and preserve the encryption preferences. So, I'm in favour of a Drafts folder, but I still want to be able to move or copy to the Outbox. -- Cheers, Thomas. "When your dad is mad and asks you, 'Do I look stupid?' don't answer." - Hannah, age 9 http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.63.09: You cannot leave To: field blank
Hello Mary, On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:24:05 -0600 GMT (13/12/2005, 23:24 +0700 GMT), Mary Bull wrote: M>>> Now look at the new attachment about Subject. ^^ M>>> Has anyone else seen any of these warnings? >> Yes. It has been like this for many versions. You can choose not to >> have the warning displayed. MB> But Miguel has evidently found a bug. He is getting the warning when MB> he already has the To field occupied and when he already has a line in MB> the Subject field. I was commenting on the Subject field. Cannot comment on the TO field, as I am not using the latest beta. -- Cheers, Thomas. "This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us." -- Western Union internal memo, 1876. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Problem with account-log on the screen bottom (probably only POP3, not sure)
Hello everyone, can anyone reproduce the following error (I can, every time). Using 3.63.08 here. Be aware that IF you can reproduce the error, you can't use TB anymore and have to kill it with the task manager. 0. TB in fullscreen mode (thats how I'm using it all the time) 1. start downloading mails (POP3) - you should have some on the server for this to happen. 2. while the download is running (thats important), open the account log (the small "down" arrow in the lower right screen next to the "plain" or "OTFE" text) - you have to be quick... 3. while the mails are downloaded, the open account log is redrawn out of the screen! 4. get a "List index out of bounds (208)" error requester that I can NOT get rid of except with the three finger salute to kill TB from the task manager. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Having only a few visible scientists, if that's the way it works out, is not good, but it's better than having no visible scientists. -- Carl Sagan Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.63.09: You cannot leave To: field blank
Hello Thomas, M>> Has anyone else seen any of these warnings? > > Yes. It has been like this for many versions. You can choose not to > have the warning displayed. Have you seen the warning when the To or Subject are NOT empty? I doubt it. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.63.09: Multi-line headers in Editor
Hello Thomas, M>> Please see attached. I've noticed when doing a reply to all with enough M>> addresses in the CC field. Really nice!! :) > > Yes, confirmed with 3.62.14 in the office. :-) I went back to 3.62.14 just to test the same message with which I 'discovered' the feature this morning and I cannot confirm it. With 3.62.14 I only get _one- line with only the first couple of addresses displayed. > To see more, you have to click on the right-most icon that appears > when the CC field is active. It doesn't work in 3.63.09 :) Please see my > I think it's OK to limit the number of lines displayed automatically. I wouldn't disagree to that limitation. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hi Maxim Masiutin, Monday, December 12, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : > What's the point of th Drafts folder if there is "draft" per-message flag > in the Outbox? It is a point of view: You expect from a folder named "outbox" to contain only mails ready to be sent within the next cycle. It is clearly, simple and there is nothing more to explain about it. And a folder named "draft" says what is in it: raw mails, partly finished, not yet in the condition to be sent, or, expressed in more general terms, still on the way to become a real mail -or not and in that case ready for deletion. No one would have to care for correct flags to be set or not, no one would have to check an outbox for messages in another condition that the only logical one: ready for sending. > We cal alter the "outbox protection feature" to automatically mark > all messages copied to the outbox as "draft". Alter the feature to MAU's suggestion which is smarter, simpler and all is plain to see and no one needs a helpfile to refer to (which is still missing) > This will save from accidentally sending them. You will have to > explicitly unpark them to send them out. Rubbish. Following MAU's idea would kill two birds with one stone. Why do you spend so much energy to such an extent in keeping a widely unwanted feature alive instead of giving the smarter idea a try? -- Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Problem with account-log on the screen bottom (probably only POP3, not sure)
Answering a current message (Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 18:45) Good evening Alexander, ASK> 3. while the mails are downloaded, the open account log is redrawn out ASK>of the screen! confirmed! (Good catch!) ASK> 4. get a "List index out of bounds (208)" error requester that I can NOT ASK>get rid of except with the three finger salute to kill TB from the task ASK>manager. not confirmed. -- Regards, Peter Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Problem with account-log on the screen bottom (probably only POP3, not sure)
Good Day, Alexander. > 3. while the mails are downloaded, the open account log is redrawn out >of the screen! reproduced in last some dozens of builds... > 4. get a "List index out of bounds (208)" error requester that I can NOT >get rid of except with the three finger salute to kill TB from the task >manager. reproduced in last some dozens of builds... and with plaintext so... -- WBR, Vladimir 'insider' Prohorov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hi Mary Bull, Tuesday, December 13, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : > And a Draft folder is an elegant alternative for getting past the > "difficulty" the "outbox protection feature" is attempting to solve. Full ACK! > And in an editable Draft folder, presumably the code would not have > the folder over-ride my AB template settings with Account folder > settings. At present, the Outbox does this, when I re-open a message > from it for more editing. So there would be three birds killed with one stone. Maxim, the company that wanted to have that "feature", did they pay more for their licenses than we did? -- Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Problem with account-log on the screen bottom (probably only POP3, not sure)
Hello Peter Hampf & everyone else, on 13-Dez-2005 at 20:30 you (Peter Hampf) wrote: ASK>> 3. while the mails are downloaded, the open account log is redrawn out ASK>>of the screen! > confirmed! (Good catch!) Well, its a rare condition... :) ASK>> 4. get a "List index out of bounds (208)" error requester that I can NOT ASK>>get rid of except with the three finger salute to kill TB from the task ASK>>manager. > not confirmed. I see now that I don't get the error every time, but when it strikes, it completely blocks the program. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Military justice is to justice what military music is to music. -- Groucho Marx Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hi Paul Van Noord, Tuesday, December 13, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : > When I expose a new customer to TB! I tell them up front that it is > quirky and the Help is horrendous but if they will hang in there while > I get them trained they will have a tremendously _safe_ tool at their > disposal. Let's correct the "quirks" and give _more_ control to the > user instead of wresting away what they already have. Good point, too. That's why I use Opera and TB. Both tools give back the control to the user that MS once gave away needlessly. Miguel has clearly shown a vision in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 how simple it could be, and its elegance is astounding. I am sure you follow his idea shown there. -- Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hi Mary Bull, Monday, December 12, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : For one thing, >> Your comments are amazing! Could you please post them to the >> appropriate BT entry to not make them lost? > Which do you think appropriate? > To MAU'S BT wish, > https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 , > for the reasons I need a Draft folder? > And perhaps a second BT Wish newly created by me that the Outbox not > over-ride my Address Book templates? > And another new Issue Report in regard to the annoying Alert box after > the message has already been sent, "Do you want to save the message"? > A totally useless pop-up, and a time-wasting one, and a dangerous one. We are nagged more and more by pop-ups stealing our time and attracting attention when we better should concentrate on other things (ie our work) Trained by the MS way of life (continuously pressing Ok, OK, OK without reading the mostly senseless dialogue boxes) there I see indeed a danger. > I am not being sarcastic--I truly need your input here on where in BT > I should report these needs. Here I am. I have to hold back my emotions not being sarcastic in commenting Maxim's suggestion. I tend to say that all other ways that differ much from Miguel's idea will diminish the daily fun it is having TB in use. TB already is overcharged with features, what we need is a way to make things a bit easier to use and more practical. Encrypting mails and signing them would be a lot easier - well, as you describe it, it would make it finally happen you _can_ alter a message in the draft folder without templates kicking in. -- Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hi Paul Van Noord, Monday, December 12, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : > On 12/12/2005 MAU wrote: M>> Again fully agree. Except that even if they implement this nonsense they M>> will not loose me as a user. With or without this 'nonsense' implemented M>> there is nothing out there that can replace TB. > So True.. But let's be careful what we write. The idea may settle that Rit can implement any rubbish that they have in mind and still TB would be second to none. That would be dangerous, Mulberry already is history and I don't want TB to extinct the same way. Thank you for your clear words which reflect my thoughts also, even if I couldn't have said it the same elegant way. -- Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Paul, > I too have the multiple account sending problem that Dwight has... As I wrote to Dwight last night, I think that can be easily (and perhaps even elegantly ;) solved with templates and/or folder identities. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
About TB folders
Hello all, Let's see, TB creates Inbox, Inbox-Known, Outbox, Sent Mail and Trash folders, all of them with an specific purpose and quite intuitive. If needed TB will also create Junk and Quarantine folders, also intuitive. You, as a user, can then create an unlimited amount of Account and Common folders, both of which can in turn be normal or virtual folders. You can also create sub-folders of any type and to any level of deepness. And there is even a special type of virtual folder that can be created called Watch Folder (quite useful BTW for mailing lists and newsgroups). Q: And where is the Drafts folder, doesn't TB have a Drafts folder? A: Nah! You don't need one. Your drafts are saved in Outbox, mixed with other messages waiting to be sent but with a special park flag which will prevent them from being unintentionally sent. Of course, if you manually park any message in Outbox you won't be able to tell the difference between Parked and Draft messages. But aren't you being a bit picky about TB? I had to write it :) -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Drafts folder - what's the point?
12/13/2005 6:10 PM Hi Charlene, On 12/13/2005 Charlene Ferrara wrote: CF> Good point, too. That's why I use Opera and TB. Both tools give back the CF> control to the user that MS once gave away needlessly. Miguel has CF> clearly shown a vision in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 CF> how simple it could be, and its elegance is astounding. I am sure you CF> follow his idea shown there. I do, I do! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.63.09 (BETA) on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP No OTFE Opera 9 Beta 1 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Drafts folder - what's the point?
12/13/2005 6:12 PM Hi MAU, On 12/13/2005 MAU wrote: M> Hello Paul, >> I too have the multiple account sending problem that Dwight has... M> As I wrote to Dwight last night, I think that can be easily (and M> perhaps even elegantly ;) solved with templates and/or folder M> identities. I agree. Regardless of the solution the problem is an exception that affects a small number of users who have chosen the challenge. I wonder how many client programs deal with it at all.? -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.63.09 (BETA) on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP No OTFE Opera 9 Beta 1 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Charlene, >> This will save from accidentally sending them. You will have to >> explicitly unpark them to send them out. > > Rubbish. Now, there is one of my tigresses! ;-) -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Howdy Charlene, Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 8:44:56 PM, Charlene wrotened: CF> We are nagged more and more by pop-ups stealing our time and attracting CF> attention when we better should concentrate on other things (ie our work) Awww must we. I dont wanna and you cant make me. CF> Trained by the MS way of life (continuously pressing Ok, OK, OK without CF> reading the mostly senseless dialogue boxes) there I see indeed a danger. Ohh Cookincidence provides a solution. -- Have Fun, Stan the Almighty! [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz 598 MHz 1.00GB RAM Enter any 11-digit prime number to continue. Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello MAU, > Q: And where is the Drafts folder, doesn't TB have a Drafts folder? > A: Nah! You don't need one. Your drafts are saved in Outbox, mixed with > other messages waiting to be sent but with a special park flag which > will prevent them from being unintentionally sent. Of course, if you > manually park any message in Outbox you won't be able to tell the > difference between Parked and Draft messages. But aren't you being a bit > picky about TB? > I had to write it :) Why would anyone park a message in Outbox if not for later editing??? We lived w/o Draft, we get used to it, dont change it... -- Vili The Bat 3.62.14 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About TB folders
Howdy Vili, Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 12:42:00 AM, Vili wrotened: >> Q: And where is the Drafts folder, doesn't TB have a Drafts folder? >> A: Nah! You don't need one. Your drafts are saved in Outbox, mixed with >> other messages waiting to be sent but with a special park flag which >> will prevent them from being unintentionally sent. Of course, if you >> manually park any message in Outbox you won't be able to tell the >> difference between Parked and Draft messages. But aren't you being a bit >> picky about TB? >> I had to write it :) V> Why would anyone park a message in Outbox if not for later editing??? V> We lived w/o Draft, we get used to it, dont change it... If it was there what harm would it do? If you didnt want to use it then noone would force you... It would just be an extra folder. At this point I should point out that i am not bothered either way by a draft folder's possible existence. -- Have Fun, Stan the Almighty! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No doubt exists that all women are crazy. It's just a question of degree. Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.63.09: You cannot leave To: field blank
Hello MAU, On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:50:58 +0100 GMT (14/12/2005, 00:50 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: >> Yes. It has been like this for many versions. You can choose not to >> have the warning displayed. M> Have you seen the warning when the To or Subject are NOT empty? I doubt M> it. You are right. I have seen the warning dialog only when the fields were empty. -- Cheers, Thomas. How can I miss you if you won't go away? http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About TB folders
12/13/2005 8:08 PM Hi Vili, On 12/13/2005 Vili wrote: V> Why would anyone park a message in Outbox if not for later editing??? V> We lived w/o Draft, we get used to it, dont change it... I am glad you are not speaking for me. I often compile a message for future sending and 'park' it in the Outbox for a day or two. If I had a Drafts folder I wouldn't be mixing my "waiting to send" stuff with the "waiting for editing stuff". We are talking about all kinds of people in all types of circumstances, especially those who haven't "gotten used to it." -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.63.09 (BETA) on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP No OTFE Opera 9 Beta 1 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About TB folders
Hello Vili, > We lived w/o Draft, we get used to it, dont change it... Can't argue such profound thoughts. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: About TB folders
Hello Paul, V>> Why would anyone park a message in Outbox if not for later editing??? V>> We lived w/o Draft, we get used to it, dont change it... > I am glad you are not speaking for me. I often compile a message for > future sending and 'park' it in the Outbox for a day or two. If I had > a Drafts folder I wouldn't be mixing my "waiting to send" stuff with > the "waiting for editing stuff". We are talking about all kinds of > people in all types of circumstances, especially those who haven't > "gotten used to it." Ok, then I should campaign for a "Hungarian", "Russian", etc folder... Because I have different emailing habits..(?) Why do you MIX the waiting to send stuff with waiting for editing stuff One type has the parking flag (hourglass), the other does not...) -- Vili The Bat 3.62.14 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hi Maxim Can't stand it anymore and have to jump in :) Just like many things in life, it is a matter of perception. > What's the point of th Drafts folder if there is "draft" per-message > flag in the Outbox? Even though I _know_ that message is parked in the Outbox, it is in the place where all account mail leaves my control. Makes me uncomforatble. So what do I do? I write my drafts in text and save them outside of TB. > There are mail clients that have a separate Drafts folder, but this > is because they don't have an opportunity to park individual > messages by the "draft" flag. I have kept drafts in Thunderbird, and never resorted to saving externally. > We cal alter the "outbox protection feature" to automatically mark > all messages copied to the outbox as "draft". This will save from > accidentally sending them. You will have to explicitly unpark them > to send them out. Still won't use it. I never use Inbox - Known but have been staring at it for years. Just a matter of user choice. +1 for the Draft folder. -- Neal Laugman Using The Bat! v3.63.06 (Beta) and Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.4 on Win2000 SP4 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Neal! On Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 9:04 PM, you wrote: > +1 for the Draft folder. :thumbup: Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Unicode
Hi Edvinas, on Monday, December 12, 2005 at 08:31 you wrote in message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] among others: > Hello Krzysztof, > On Saturday, December 10, 2005, at 15:55, you wrote: >> nope :) iam using english windows only with polish regional settings >> for keyboard > Well, you haven't mentioned the real reason why your polish letters are > correct in temlpates and addressbook. You have set ?Language for non unicode > programs? as Polish. Thanks for this tip. I can now also read one Polish site where I couldn't see up to now Polish letters! Templates seems to work now, only for the template of a Polish mailinglist I have to set the language in the regional settings to Polish! When I open the addressbook I don't see Polish letters. I can see them, however, when I open the preferences for this address! > That enables you to use Polish letters but you'll fail to use most of German > umlauts, specific French, Italian, Russian, Greek letters. -- Best regards, Roland pgpYeUnCaPy5Q.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
