Re: Attachments - Paper Clip
[Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2009-04-28 · 01:31 h (CET)] Moin, Marek! very funny, the first Message of Volker mid:1984340334.20090427223...@ahrendt.net does not show a Paper Clip Icon for the Attachments, but the second one mid:1348910022.20090427230...@ahrendt.net shows a Paper Clip Icon for Attachments. I do not see any visible difference right now :-) second message has one attach only, first has two attachments. If one disregards the part.txt, you may be right. ;-) This is the first time, that I can reproduce this problem. So actually it seems to be linked to the file extension of the attachments. In my work environment it is as follows: - jpg, pdf etc. = There is always a paper-clip in the message list. - gif = Paper-clip disapears, if there are multiple files attached. Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.18 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Smart alecks are the roots of all evil.« – Mika M. Kruse Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Hold Over
Hello Mau, Monday, April 27, 2009, 2:03:40, you wrote: Now, for the first part. 'Hold Over' is not clear and is not correct English. It should be either 'Hold for' or 'Send in'. That is, 'Hold for 2 hrs' or 'Send in 2 hrs'. Dictionaries give hold over as a sinonym for postpone or delay, with the following examples: The film was held over for weeks (the meaning is here to prolong the engagement of the film) We will have to hold over these files until tomorrow (the meaning is to save, delay) -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Mau, Monday, April 27, 2009, 2:03:40, you wrote: Hold for... ( ) Hours ( ) Minutes ( ) Seconds ... and then send. Your idea to use the tail ...and then send is excellent! But it gives another complication. The user can combine hold over (2) days and use specific time 8:00 for, example, which means that the message will be send in 8:00 in two days after today. Also, the user can combine hold over 2 hours and use specific date 10/10/2009. In this case, the message will be sent on that specific date, but the time will be taken from current time plus two hours, i.e. if it is now 9:21, the message will be sent on 11:21 10/10/2009. The initial version of the dialog that have used add days/add hours/add minutes wast technically more correct. Maybe we should use hold over anyway, not hold for in the begining of the phrase? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Mau, Monday, April 27, 2009, 2:03:40, you wrote: So, my suggestion would be to make the title be 'Postponed/Scheduled Sending'. This is a nice idea. At least The Bat! uses it's scheduler and creates events to send the messages. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
[Reply to: »Maxim Masiutin« · 2009-04-28 · 10:54 h (CET)] Moin, Maxim! Hold for... ( ) Hours ( ) Minutes ( ) Seconds ... and then send. Your idea to use the tail ...and then send is excellent! +1 But it gives another complication. The user can combine hold over (2) days and use specific time 8:00 for, example, which means that the message will be send in 8:00 in two days after today. This may be a nice try, but please keep it simple: Either you want to send a message in x days/hours/minutes or at a specific time. But please do not mix it up and confuse the user. Instead of the mentioned above, one can say: Send message April 30, 8:00 h. – Where is the problem? So maybe radio buttons for Hold over|for and Specific Date/Time would be a good choice. I just can repeat it: Please keep it simple and do not confuse the user! Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.18 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be.« Douglas Adams (* March 11, 1952; † May 11, 2001) Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Volker, Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 12:20:14, you wrote: Either you want to send a message in x days/hours/minutes or at a specific time. But please do not mix it up and confuse the user. No, the idea is to combine both of the options. Instead of the mentioned above, one can say: Send message April 30, 8:00 h. – Where is the problem? The problem is in this case the user will have to click the GUI for each for the message sent, like in Outlook. We want to give an option to to configure the postponed sending autmatically for every message, so the user will simply press send button on the toolbar (or the corresponding keystroke) and the message will be immediately closed and scheduled for delivery. Your suggestion makes this impossible. The Bat! is a mail program for people who write bigger amount of messages than the people that are using other e-mail programs or webmail. Also, The Bat! is a program for the users that need lots of features missing in other programs. So we have to provide very powerful and complicated features, even thought sometimes such power and complicity is hard to understand from the first glance. But this investment in time to play with these options and to understand them pays out for thouse who seriously need it. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments - Paper Clip
On Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 3:33:51 AM, Volker Ahrendt wrote: If one disregards the part.txt, you may be right. ;-) This is the first time, that I can reproduce this problem. So actually it seems to be linked to the file extension of the attachments. In my work environment it is as follows: - jpg, pdf etc. = There is always a paper-clip in the message list. - gif = Paper-clip disapears, if there are multiple files attached. I'm looking at one with 8 png, 3 gif, 1 jpg, NO paperclip -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.1.11.18 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 3) Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Maxim, Hold for... ( ) Hours ( ) Minutes ( ) Seconds ... and then send. Your idea to use the tail ...and then send is excellent! Thank you :( But it gives another complication. The user can combine hold over (2) days and use specific time 8:00 for, example, which means that the message will be send in 8:00 in two days after today. Also, the user can combine hold over 2 hours and use specific date 10/10/2009. In this case, the message will be sent on that specific date, but the time will be taken from current time plus two hours, i.e. if it is now 9:21, the message will be sent on 11:21 10/10/2009. The initial version of the dialog that have used add days/add hours/add minutes wast technically more correct. I would not allow the combination of the two options. In my opinion it can make things a bit confusing and it doesn't really add any flexibility. The two options should be mutually exclusive. You EITHER hold for x hrs OR pick an specific date/time. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Maxim, So, my suggestion would be to make the title be 'Postponed/Scheduled Sending'. This is a nice idea. At least The Bat! uses it's scheduler and creates events to send the messages. Well, with this one, it is 3 beers in total that you owe me ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Hold Over
Hello Maxim, Now, for the first part. 'Hold Over' is not clear and is not correct English. It should be either 'Hold for' or 'Send in'. That is, 'Hold for 2 hrs' or 'Send in 2 hrs'. Dictionaries give hold over as a sinonym for postpone or delay, with the following examples: The film was held over for weeks (the meaning is here to prolong the engagement of the film) We will have to hold over these files until tomorrow (the meaning is to save, delay) Well, maybe I shouldn't have said that it is not correct English, but after 50 of speaking the language I just play it by ear and if the questions is: - Do you want me to send this now? The answer that 'sounds' better to me is: - No, hold it for 2 hrs. Or: - No, send it in 2 hrs. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Volker, But it gives another complication. The user can combine hold over (2) days and use specific time 8:00 for, example, which means that the message will be send in 8:00 in two days after today. This may be a nice try, but please keep it simple: Either you want to send a message in x days/hours/minutes or at a specific time. But please do not mix it up and confuse the user. Instead of the mentioned above, one can say: Send message April 30, 8:00 h. – Where is the problem? So maybe radio buttons for Hold over|for and Specific Date/Time would be a good choice. I just can repeat it: Please keep it simple and do not confuse the user! Fully agree, I have just told Maxim the same in a different message. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Volker, Monday, April 27, 2009, 23:36:02, you wrote: I would suggest to remove most of the More part at the bottom of the dialog. = See attachments. Why do you suggest to remove it? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Roger, Monday, April 27, 2009, 7:40:48, you wrote: It is not clear to me just what is the need for Test against an arbitrary date and time in the future. This can be useful, for example, for messages that are automatically created by sorting office filters or by mass mailing quick templates. If a filter or mass mailing will create a message tomorrow on particular time, you should know how the %POSTPONE macro will affect it and what will be the real date and time of sending. How else do you think can you know it? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
[Reply to: »Maxim Masiutin« · 2009-04-28 · 11:31 h (CET)] Moin, Maxim! I would suggest to remove most of the More part at the bottom of the dialog. = See attachments. Why do you suggest to remove it? Okay, leave the info, that the postponed message will be sent on … But the test section – even for messages that are automatically created by sorting office filters or by mass mailing quick templates – is IMHO of no real need. But maybe I just forgot to take something important into account, so I do not get it. ;-) Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.18 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy« Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 4.1.11.18 Postponed Time Warp
Hello Jens, Monday, April 27, 2009, 13:25:07, you wrote: | IF a message will be postponed on Mittwoch, 29. April 2009 13:18, it | will be sent on Dienstag, 28. April 2009 13:18. If you mean that the dates are formatting using the language configured Windows regional/language settings, rather than interface language of The Bat!, we will fix it in the next beta. But if the language of The Bat! interface will not be supported by Windows locale, it will still be formatted by Windows locale, or will not be formatted at all. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
Dienstag, 28. April 2009 at 11:20, Volker Ahrendt wrote: Either you want to send a message in x days/hours/minutes or at a specific time. But please do not mix it up and confuse the user. Instead of the mentioned above, one can say: Send message April 30, 8:00 h. – Where is the problem? +1 So maybe radio buttons for Hold over|for and Specific Date/Time would be a good choice. +1 -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.18 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 11.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.18 Postponed Time Warp
Dienstag, 28. April 2009 at 11:27, Maxim Masiutin wrote: | IF a message will be postponed on Mittwoch, 29. April 2009 13:18, it | will be sent on Dienstag, 28. April 2009 13:18. If you mean that the dates are formatting using the language configured Windows regional/language settings, rather than interface language of The Bat!, we will fix it in the next beta. I did not expect, that there are different Timezones used? Otherwise, please do add a Timezone declaration to the Time, like: 12:00 CEST And it is a logical Error for me, if i basically expect that the Timezone and Date is the same in the whole Dialog. A Message which will be postponed tomorrow, can not be sent today! Or is is already to complicated for me to understand? -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.18 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 11.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
Dienstag, 28. April 2009 at 11:31, Maxim Masiutin wrote: I would suggest to remove most of the More part at the bottom of the dialog. = See attachments. That is enough (until i understand why to have more than that): http://www.de2all.de/thebat/screen78.png -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.18 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 11.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
[Reply to: »Maxim Masiutin« · 2009-04-28 · 11:31 h (CET)] Moin, Maxim! I would suggest to remove most of the More part at the bottom of the dialog. = See attachments. Why do you suggest to remove it? Okay, leave the info, that the postponed message will be sent on … But the test section – even for messages that are automatically created by sorting office filters or by mass mailing quick templates – is IMHO of no real need. But maybe I just forgot to take something important into account, so I do not get it. ;-) Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.18 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy« Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments - Paper Clip
Dienstag, 28. April 2009 at 01:31, Marek Mikus wrote: I do not see any visible difference right now :-) second message has one attach only, first has two attachments. Ah, you are right. Well, they already know it, so it is only a matter of time when it will be fixed... :-) -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.18 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 11.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Jens, Monday, April 27, 2009, 22:52:00, you wrote: Yes, exept of the lower part with the compare against date.. How do you suggest to improve it? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[SOT] How can I disable star (*) from acting on folder pane?
Hello all, Sorry, I know it is not a beta issue but I assume there is more people watching this list than TBUDL. Quite frequently I use the star (*) hot key to expand all threads in the Message List, but every now and then I hit it while focus is on the folder pane and then all my accounts and folders containing sub-folders are fully expanded. The only way to bring them back to where they were is to manually collapse each folder and account that is usually collapsed in my 'normal view'. Does anybody know of any way that could prevent this from happening? Like disabling (*) from acting on folder pane? I've been looking at Customiser and found no way. TIA. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Hold Over
Hi Maxim, Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 9:47:49 AM, you wrote: Dictionaries give hold over as a sinonym for postpone or delay, with the following examples: Hold over is not something that a native English speaker would say in this context. -- Warmest regards, Paul Created using TheBat! 4.1.11.18 on Windows Vista Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] How can I disable star (*) from acting on folder pane?
martes, 28 abr 2009 at 18:01, it seems you wrote: Does anybody know of any way that could prevent this from happening? Like disabling (*) from acting on folder pane? I've been looking at Customiser and found no way. I think the * shortcut key it's a default option in windows for years, I used it on Windows 3.0 without mouse. I think all tree controls interpret it in this way. -- /\/ Using The Bat! 4.1.11.18 Professional / \ / \ / Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 3) /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Plugins: AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 and miniRelayPlug 0.05.50 Moderator of Spanish TBUDL Spanish Translator of The Bat! Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] How can I disable star (*) from acting on folder pane?
Hello NetVicious, Does anybody know of any way that could prevent this from happening? Like disabling (*) from acting on folder pane? I've been looking at Customiser and found no way. I think the * shortcut key it's a default option in windows for years, I used it on Windows 3.0 without mouse. I think all tree controls interpret it in this way. And I think you are right. I have just tried it on Windows Explorer and * does expand my folder trees. Thanks for the pointer. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] How can I disable star (*) from acting on folder pane?
On Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 23:24:43, NetVicious wrote: I think all tree controls interpret it in this way. Actually, it behaves differently in The Bat than in other treeviews - in The Bat, * will expand all branches, while in other treeviews it'll only expand current branch from selected tree node. -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 4.1.11.18 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001.Service Pack 1 ] Murphy was not just an optimist - he was a hopeless romantic. -- Jones' Extension to O'Toole's Commentary on Murphy's Laws Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
[Reply to: »Maxim Masiutin« · 2009-04-28 · 11:40 h (CET)] Moin, Maxim! The problem is in this case the user will have to click the GUI for each for the message sent, like in Outlook. We want to give an option to to configure the postponed sending autmatically for every message, so the user will simply press send button on the toolbar (or the corresponding keystroke) and the message will be immediately closed and scheduled for delivery. Your suggestion makes this impossible. Okay, now here are my reworked ideas. And of course the first one is meant seriously. ;-) See attachments. Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.18 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Infinity itself looks flat and uninteresting. Looking up into the night sky is looking into infinity – distance is incomprehensible and therefore meaningless.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy« ·-· | Attachment(s)/Anlage(n) | ·-·--· | · Postponed_Sending_Dialog.gif | · Postponed_Sending_Dialog_Easteregg.gif ··attachment: Postponed_Sending_Dialog.gifattachment: Postponed_Sending_Dialog_Easteregg.gif Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
