Re: Postponed Sending dialogue

2009-04-28 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Maxim Masiutin« · 2009-04-28 · 11:40 h (CET)]

Moin, Maxim!

> The problem is in this case the user will have to click the GUI for
> each for the message sent, like in Outlook. We want to give an
> option to to configure the postponed sending autmatically for every
> message, so the user will simply press "send button" on the toolbar
> (or the corresponding keystroke) and the message will be immediately
> closed and scheduled for delivery. Your suggestion makes this
> impossible.

Okay, now here are my reworked ideas. And of course the first one is
meant seriously. ;-)

See attachments.


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Re: [SOT] How can I disable star (*) from acting on folder pane?

2009-04-28 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 23:24:43, NetVicious wrote:

> I think all tree controls interpret it in this way.

Actually, it behaves differently in The Bat than in other treeviews -
in The Bat, * will expand all branches, while in other treeviews it'll
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Re: [SOT] How can I disable star (*) from acting on folder pane?

2009-04-28 Thread MAU
Hello NetVicious,

>> Does anybody know of any way that could prevent this from happening? 
>> Like disabling (*) from acting on folder pane? I've been looking at 
>> Customiser and found no way.
>
> I think the * shortcut key it's a default option in windows for years, 
> I used it on Windows 3.0 without mouse.
>
> I think all tree controls interpret it in this way.

And I think you are right. I have just tried it on Windows Explorer and 
* does expand my folder trees.

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Re: [SOT] How can I disable star (*) from acting on folder pane?

2009-04-28 Thread NetVicious
martes, 28 abr 2009 at 18:01, it seems you wrote:

> Does anybody know of any way that could prevent this from happening? 
> Like disabling (*) from acting on folder pane? I've been looking at 
> Customiser and found no way.

I think the * shortcut key it's a default option in windows for years, 
I used it on Windows 3.0 without mouse.

I think all tree controls interpret it in this way.

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Re: Hold Over

2009-04-28 Thread Paul Meathrel
Hi Maxim,

Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 9:47:49 AM, you wrote:
> Dictionaries give "hold over" as a sinonym for "postpone" or
> "delay", with the following examples:

Hold over is not something that a native English speaker would say in this 
context.

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[SOT] How can I disable star (*) from acting on folder pane?

2009-04-28 Thread MAU
Hello all,

Sorry, I know it is not a beta issue but I assume there is more people 
watching this list than TBUDL.

Quite frequently I use the star (*) hot key to expand all threads in the
Message List, but every now and then I hit it while focus is on the
folder pane and then all my accounts and folders containing sub-folders
are fully expanded. The only way to bring them back to where they were
is to manually collapse each folder and account that is usually
collapsed in my 'normal view'.

Does anybody know of any way that could prevent this from happening? 
Like disabling (*) from acting on folder pane? I've been looking at 
Customiser and found no way.

TIA.

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Re: Postponed Sending dialogue

2009-04-28 Thread Roger Phillips
Hello Maxim,

Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 11:21:02 AM, among other things, you wrote:

MM> Hello Roger,

MM> Monday, April 27, 2009, 7:40:48, you wrote:

>>>It  is  not clear to me just what is the need for "Test against an arbitrary
>>>date  and  time  in the future".

MM> This can be useful, for example, for messages that are automatically
MM> created by sorting office filters or by mass mailing quick templates. If
MM> a filter or mass mailing will create a message tomorrow on particular
MM> time, you should know how the %POSTPONE macro will affect it and what
MM> will be the real date and time of sending. How else do you think can you 
know it?

OK, you are perhaps correct about there not being any other way to test, but 
I'm still not sure exactly what is meant by an 'arbitrary' date and time, as 
distinct from a required time that is set in the 'postponed' programme.




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Re: Postponed Sending dialogue

2009-04-28 Thread Jens Franik

Dienstag, 28. April 2009 at 11:31, Maxim Masiutin wrote:

>>>I would suggest to remove most of the "More" part at the bottom of the
>>>dialog. => See attachments.

That is enough (until i understand why to have more than that):

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Re: Postponed Sending dialogue

2009-04-28 Thread Jens Franik

Dienstag, 28. April 2009 at 11:31, Maxim Masiutin wrote:

>>>Yes, exept of the lower part with the "compare against date.."

> How do you suggest to improve it?

I read you explanation in  but i
have to read it all again, because i am confused with postponed and
delay.

I would either:

- add year/month/week/day/hour/minute to the Time to delay the sending
or
- send it on a specific date and time
or
- send it in "add 7 days" at a specific time

And i still do not understand why to compare to a date?

For me it would be enough if the Dialog tells me "This Message,
according to your choices in this Dialog, then will be sent at:
"_Weekday_ _DATE_ _TIME_"

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Re: 4.1.11.18 Postponed Time Warp

2009-04-28 Thread Jens Franik

Dienstag, 28. April 2009 at 11:27, Maxim Masiutin wrote:

>>>| IF a message will be postponed on Mittwoch, 29. April 2009 13:18, it
>>>| will be sent on Dienstag, 28. April 2009 13:18.

> If you mean that the dates are formatting using the language
> configured Windows regional/language settings, rather than interface
> language of The Bat!, we will fix it in the next beta.

I did not expect, that there are different Timezones used?
Otherwise, please do add a Timezone declaration to the Time, like:

12:00 CEST

And it is a logical Error for me, if i basically expect that the
Timezone and Date is the same in the whole Dialog.

A Message which will be postponed tomorrow, can not be sent today!

Or is is already to complicated for me to understand?

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Re: Postponed Sending dialogue

2009-04-28 Thread Jens Franik

Dienstag, 28. April 2009 at 11:20, Volker Ahrendt wrote:

> Either you want to send a message in x days/hours/minutes or at a
> specific time. But please do not mix it up and confuse the user.
>
> Instead of the mentioned above, one can say: "Send message April 30,
> 8:00 h." – Where is the problem?

+1

> So maybe radio buttons for "Hold over|for" and "Specific Date/Time"
> would be a good choice.

+1

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Re: Attachments - Paper Clip

2009-04-28 Thread Jens Franik

Dienstag, 28. April 2009 at 01:31, Marek Mikus wrote:

>> I do not see any visible difference right now :-)

> second message has one attach only, first has two attachments.

Ah, you are right. Well, they already know it, so it is only a matter
of time when it will be fixed... :-)

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Re: Postponed Sending dialogue

2009-04-28 Thread MAU
Hello Maxim,

>>>So, my suggestion would be to make the title be 'Postponed/Scheduled
>>>Sending'.
>
> This is a nice idea. At least The Bat! uses it's scheduler and creates
> events to send the messages.

Well, with this one, it is 3 beers in total that you owe me ;-)

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Re: Hold Over

2009-04-28 Thread MAU
Hello Maxim,

>>>Now, for the first part. 'Hold Over' is not clear and is not correct
>>>English. It should be either 'Hold for' or 'Send in'. That is, 'Hold
>>>for 2 hrs' or 'Send in 2 hrs'.
>
> Dictionaries give "hold over" as a sinonym for "postpone" or "delay",
> with the following examples:
>
> The film was held over for weeks (the meaning is here "to prolong the
> engagement of the film") We will have to hold over these files until
> tomorrow (the meaning is to "save", "delay")

Well, maybe I shouldn't have said that it is not correct English, but
after 50 of speaking the language I just play it by ear and if the
questions is:

- Do you want me to send this now?

The answer that 'sounds' better to me is:

- No, hold it for 2 hrs.
Or:
- No, send it in 2 hrs.

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Re: Postponed Sending dialogue

2009-04-28 Thread MAU
Hello Volker,

>> But it gives another complication. The user can combine "hold over
>> (2) days" and "use specific time 8:00" for, example, which means
>> that the message will be send in 8:00 in two days after today.
>
> This may be a nice try, but please keep it simple:
>
> Either you want to send a message in x days/hours/minutes or at a
> specific time. But please do not mix it up and confuse the user.
>
> Instead of the mentioned above, one can say: "Send message April 30,
> 8:00 h." – Where is the problem?
>
> So maybe radio buttons for "Hold over|for" and "Specific Date/Time"
> would be a good choice.
>
> I just can repeat it: Please keep it simple and do not confuse the
> user!

Fully agree, I have just told Maxim the same in a different message.

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Re: Postponed Sending dialogue

2009-04-28 Thread MAU
Hello Maxim,

>>>Hold for... 
>>>( ) Hours  ( ) Minutes ( ) Seconds
>>>... and then send.
>
> Your idea to use the tail "...and then send" is excellent!

Thank you :(

> But it gives another complication. The user can combine "hold over
> (2) days" and "use specific time 8:00" for, example, which means that
> the message will be send in 8:00  in two days after today. Also, the
> user can combine "hold over 2 hours" and "use specific date
> 10/10/2009". In this case, the message will be sent on that specific
> date, but the time will be taken from current time plus two hours,
> i.e. if it is now 9:21, the message will be sent on 11:21 10/10/2009.
>
> The initial version of the dialog that have used "add days/add
> hours/add minutes" wast technically more correct.

I would not allow the combination of the two options. In my opinion it 
can make things a bit confusing and it doesn't really add any 
flexibility. The two options should be mutually exclusive. You EITHER 
hold for x hrs OR pick an specific date/time.

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Re: Attachments - Paper Clip

2009-04-28 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 3:33:51 AM, Volker Ahrendt wrote:

> If one disregards the part.txt, you may be right. ;-)

> This is the first time, that I can reproduce this problem. So actually
> it seems to be linked to the file extension of the attachments. In my
> work environment it is as follows:

> - jpg, pdf etc. => There is always a paper-clip in the message list.

- gif => Paper-clip disapears, if there are multiple files attached.


I'm looking at one with  8 png, 3 gif, 1 jpg, NO paperclip

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Re: Postponed Sending dialogue

2009-04-28 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Maxim Masiutin« · 2009-04-28 · 11:31 h (CET)]

Moin, Maxim!

>>>I would suggest to remove most of the "More" part at the bottom of the
>>>dialog. => See attachments.

> Why do you suggest to remove it?

Okay, leave the info, that the postponed message will be sent on …

But the test section – even for messages that are automatically
created by sorting office filters or by mass mailing quick templates –
is IMHO of no real need.

But maybe I just forgot to take something important into account, so I
do not get it. ;-)

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Re: Postponed Sending dialogue

2009-04-28 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Maxim Masiutin« · 2009-04-28 · 11:31 h (CET)]

Moin, Maxim!

>>>I would suggest to remove most of the "More" part at the bottom of the
>>>dialog. => See attachments.

> Why do you suggest to remove it?

Okay, leave the info, that the postponed message will be sent on …

But the test section – even for messages that are automatically
created by sorting office filters or by mass mailing quick templates –
is IMHO of no real need.

But maybe I just forgot to take something important into account, so I
do not get it. ;-)

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Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue

2009-04-28 Thread Maxim Masiutin
Hello Volker,

Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 12:20:14, you wrote:

>>Either you want to send a message in x days/hours/minutes or at a
>>specific time. But please do not mix it up and confuse the user.

No, the idea is to combine both of the options.

>>Instead of the mentioned above, one can say: "Send message April 30,
>>8:00 h." – Where is the problem?

The problem is in this case the user will have to click the GUI for each for 
the message sent, like in Outlook. We want to give an option to to configure 
the postponed sending autmatically for every message, so the user will simply 
press "send button" on the toolbar (or the corresponding keystroke) and the 
message will be immediately closed and scheduled for delivery. Your suggestion 
makes this impossible.

The Bat! is a mail program for people who write bigger amount of messages than 
the people that are using other e-mail programs or webmail. Also, The Bat! is a 
program for the users that need lots of features missing in other programs. So 
we have to provide very powerful and complicated features, even thought 
sometimes such power and complicity is hard to understand from the first 
glance. But this investment in time to play with these options and to 
understand them pays out for thouse who seriously need it.


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Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue

2009-04-28 Thread Maxim Masiutin
Hello Volker,

Monday, April 27, 2009, 23:36:02, you wrote:

>>I would suggest to remove most of the "More" part at the bottom of the
>>dialog. => See attachments.
Why do you suggest to remove it?

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Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue

2009-04-28 Thread Maxim Masiutin
Hello Jens,

Monday, April 27, 2009, 22:52:00, you wrote:

>>Yes, exept of the lower part with the "compare against date.."
How do you suggest to improve it?

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Re[2]: 4.1.11.18 Postponed Time Warp

2009-04-28 Thread Maxim Masiutin
Hello Jens,

Monday, April 27, 2009, 13:25:07, you wrote:

>>| IF a message will be postponed on Mittwoch, 29. April 2009 13:18, it
>>| will be sent on Dienstag, 28. April 2009 13:18.

If you mean that the dates are formatting using the language configured Windows 
regional/language settings, rather than interface language of The Bat!, we will 
fix it in the next beta.

But if the language of The Bat! interface will not be supported by Windows 
locale, it will still be formatted by Windows locale, or will not be formatted 
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Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue

2009-04-28 Thread Maxim Masiutin
Hello Roger,

Monday, April 27, 2009, 7:40:48, you wrote:

>>It  is  not clear to me just what is the need for "Test against an arbitrary
>>date  and  time  in the future".

This can be useful, for example, for messages that are automatically created by 
sorting office filters or by mass mailing quick templates. If a filter or mass 
mailing will create a message tomorrow on particular time, you should know how 
the %POSTPONE macro will affect it and what will be the real date and time of 
sending. How else do you think can you know it?


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Re: Postponed Sending dialogue

2009-04-28 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Maxim Masiutin« · 2009-04-28 · 10:54 h (CET)]

Moin, Maxim!

>>>Hold for...
>>>( ) Hours  ( ) Minutes ( ) Seconds
>>>... and then send.

> Your idea to use the tail "...and then send" is excellent!

+1

> But it gives another complication. The user can combine "hold over
> (2) days" and "use specific time 8:00" for, example, which means
> that the message will be send in 8:00 in two days after today.

This may be a nice try, but please keep it simple:

Either you want to send a message in x days/hours/minutes or at a
specific time. But please do not mix it up and confuse the user.

Instead of the mentioned above, one can say: "Send message April 30,
8:00 h." – Where is the problem?

So maybe radio buttons for "Hold over|for" and "Specific Date/Time"
would be a good choice.

I just can repeat it: Please keep it simple and do not confuse the
user!

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Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue

2009-04-28 Thread Maxim Masiutin
Hello Mau,

Monday, April 27, 2009, 2:03:40, you wrote:

>>So, my suggestion would be to make the 
>>title be 'Postponed/Scheduled Sending'.

This is a nice idea. At least The Bat! uses it's scheduler and creates events 
to send the messages.


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Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue

2009-04-28 Thread Maxim Masiutin
Hello Mau,

Monday, April 27, 2009, 2:03:40, you wrote:

>>Hold for... 
>>( ) Hours  ( ) Minutes ( ) Seconds
>>... and then send.

Your idea to use the tail "...and then send" is excellent! But it gives another 
complication. The user can combine "hold over (2) days" and "use specific time 
8:00" for, example, which means that the message will be send in 8:00  in two 
days after today. Also, the user can combine "hold over 2 hours" and "use 
specific date 10/10/2009". In this case, the message will be sent on that 
specific date, but the time will be taken from current time plus two hours, 
i.e. if it is now 9:21, the message will be sent on 11:21 10/10/2009.

The initial version of the dialog that have used "add days/add hours/add 
minutes" wast technically more correct.

Maybe we should use "hold over" anyway, not "hold for" in the begining of the 
phrase?


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Hold Over

2009-04-28 Thread Maxim Masiutin
Hello Mau,

Monday, April 27, 2009, 2:03:40, you wrote:

>>Now, for the first part. 'Hold Over' is not clear and is not correct
>>English. It should be either 'Hold for' or 'Send in'. That is, 'Hold for
>>2 hrs' or 'Send in 2 hrs'.

Dictionaries give "hold over" as a sinonym for "postpone" or "delay", with the 
following examples:

The film was held over for weeks (the meaning is here "to prolong the 
engagement of the film")
We will have to hold over these files until tomorrow (the meaning is to "save", 
"delay")


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Re: Attachments - Paper Clip

2009-04-28 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2009-04-28 · 01:31 h (CET)]

Moin, Marek!

>> very funny, the first Message of Volker
>> mid:1984340334.20090427223...@ahrendt.net does not show a Paper
>> Clip Icon for the Attachments,

>> but the second one mid:1348910022.20090427230...@ahrendt.net shows
>> a Paper Clip Icon for Attachments.

>> I do not see any visible difference right now :-)

> second message has one attach only, first has two attachments.

If one disregards the part.txt, you may be right. ;-)

This is the first time, that I can reproduce this problem. So actually
it seems to be linked to the file extension of the attachments. In my
work environment it is as follows:

- jpg, pdf etc. => There is always a paper-clip in the message list.

- gif => Paper-clip disapears, if there are multiple files attached.

Cheers!
VA

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