Re: Help Project
Bat People: ---[Stuart Hemming: Uttered Thoughts: ]-- Can anyone give me an update on how the new help file is coming along? ---[Finished Uttered Thoughts]-- We're diligently working away behind the scenes. A little slow down due to some personal commitments and a broken computer (now fixed). I'll post a newer PDF later this weekend or the first part of the week. Best, Dennis -- Dennis Hays\HaysDesign The Bat! Help Project Albany, New York USA The Bat! version 3.5 on XP2 Sent on Thursday, June 09, 2005 at 6:10 AM Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: OT: Do you happen to know...
Bat People: ---[Dennis Hays: Uttered Thoughts: ]-- Hello Manuel! On Sunday, May 29, 2005, 1:32 PM, you wrote: Hard for me as a German. ;-) Something similar... Lesson 1: Three witches watch three Swatch watches. Which witch watches which Swatch watch? Lesson 2: Three switched witches watch three Swatch watch switches. Which switched witch watches which Swatch watch switch? ;-) LOL Do you know: She sells sea shells by the sea shore? ---[Finished Uttered Thoughts]-- No, but I know: She sells sea shells by the sea shore. The shells she sells are surely seashells. So if she sells shells on the seashore, I'm sure she sells seashore shells. and Rubber baby buggy bumpers and A skunk sat on a stump and thunk the stump stunk, but the stump thunk the skunk stunk. and The sixth sick sheik's sixth sheep's sick. and One smart fellow, he felt smart. Two smart fellows, they felt smart. Three smart fellows, they all felt smart. and I slit the sheet, the sheet I slit, and on the slitted sheet I sit. and kids, don't try this at home: I am not the pheasant plucker, I'm the pheasant plucker's mate. I am only plucking pheasants 'cause the pheasant plucker's running late. Best, Dennis -- Dennis Hays\HaysDesign The Bat! Help Project Albany, New York USA The Bat! version 3.5 on XP2 Sent on Monday, May 30, 2005 at 3:25 PM Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: OT: Do you happen to know...
Bat People: ---[Dennis Hays: Uttered Thoughts: ]-- Hello Dennis! On Monday, May 30, 2005, 2:31 PM, you wrote: ... the pheasant plucker's running late. And so am I! My brother has just arrived from Alabama. But you have totally trumped my feeble efforts at recalling tongue twisters. ---[Finished Uttered Thoughts]-- I've collected them for years to help with an old speech impediment (now mostly gone). Actually, Mary, I was just trying to jog your memory :~ Best, Dennis -- Dennis Hays\HaysDesign The Bat! Help Project Albany, New York USA The Bat! version 3.5 on XP2 Sent on Monday, May 30, 2005 at 3:44 PM Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Preliminary TB! Help File PDF
Batty Folk As promised, I have uploaded a very preliminary PDF file (04 April 2005) showing some of the changes and additions to the Help file Dierk Haasis and I have been working on. This file shows new content towards the front of the PDF and older, pre-existing content further back. It's approximately 851kb and in Adobe Acrobat PDF format. There are no security options enabled (as far as I know) and you can feel free to print it, if desired (211 pages). http://www.haysdesign.com/tb_help/TB_Help_20050404_01.pdf -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Preliminary TB! Help File PDF
Quoting Giampaolo Bellavite [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Il 10/05/2005 alle 19.29, Dennis Hays [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: As promised, I have uploaded a very preliminary PDF file (04 April 2005) showing some of the changes and additions to the Help file Dierk Haasis and I have been working on. Wonderful! Do you plan a CHM file with the same content? The final version is scheduled to be delivered to RITLabs as an Help and Manual HM3 file: (http://www.helpandmanual.com/hmtour.htm) which will export all the various help formats. RITLabs will export the needed file(s) and use them in subsequent builds of TB! Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Thank you for container captions
Quoting Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello MAU, On Fri, 6 May 2005 17:37:23 +0200 GMT (06/05/2005, 22:37 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: M RTFM! Don't you have an updated Help file? ;-) That was the best joke today! ;-) quick aside Ahem... meanwhile, behind the scenes, Dierk and I are re-writing this joke... er... help file. We should have it very close to being finished by the end of this month. /quick aside Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Thank you for container captions
Quoting Mary Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Dennis! On Friday, May 06, 2005, 10:57 AM, you wrote: quick aside Ahem... meanwhile, behind the scenes, Dierk and I are re-writing this joke... er... help file. We should have it very close to being finished by the end of this month. /quick aside The Customise function, which brought on the witty comment alluding to no documentation in the Help file for it, is extremely complex. All sorts of hidden traps as well as bugs are being found in its lay-out and terminology. Most of what we have done to date has been reading the old help file and then poking around in TB to try and learn how it's _supposed_ to work. When that fails, we send an email to Maxim and he tries to send us in the proper direction. It may be easier, sometimes, if I send a question here and solicit some assistance... BTW, I'd be more than willing to offer a PDF export of the help text via a link if anyone wants to have a peek. At this point, it may be preliminary, but by next week I think there will be enough material to see where we are going with this. Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: PocoTB
Quoting Marck D Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: MAU Maybe. Then post-pre-beta = beta, correct? ;-) In this case it may (more appropriately) imply after the pre-beta but before the real beta... sub-beta? In this instance, I think we can call it a Beta-beta :) Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: html whitelist wish
Hello Goncalo, Sunday, February 27, 2005, 10:51:37 AM, you wrote: In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : I disagree. It's vulnerable because MS was unable to anticipate the misuse of the technology they were providing. Now they made it more secure (not perfectly secure) without cutting down the functionality that people had. snipped Power comes at a cost. It's not acceptable to have limits because some people just don't know any better. The car makers don't put speed limits in their cars because they might be bought by some lame driver that may kill himself. LG Now granted. IE made their primary mistake because everything was LG on by default. But my point is that Microsoft gave the users LG what they wanted without ever trying to tell them why it was LG risky. The internet used to be a wonderful place, now you have to LG check, double-check and triple check just about everything you do. LG Popups were a great idea at first. A nice way to display LG information without disrupting the flow of the visitors browsing LG of their main site. Now we have a whole box of bandaids to prevent LG popups. MS didn't realize how their technology could be misused... snipped Firstly, speed limits in cars is a weak argument. People know their cars can go faster, they don't often know where security exploits are in any operating system. And, your retort about Microsoft not knowing how their technology could be misused is also fairly weak. When MS tied the browser to the operating system (Windows), it was a reaction to their marketing goals of tying the personal computer to the web--strictly networking. The reasons why their technology can be misused is that the OS and IE are joined to such a degree that MS, in a court deposition, said they couldn't be separated without losing the OS integrity. This, then is the rub. But then you could say if the browsers gain popularity, then they too will be exploited. Yes, if they do it's because of the holes in the OS... poor coding to rush a product to market. That Bill came out a year or so back and said he is making security a priority begs the question, why now? --why not years ago? And to bring this back to on-topic... designing a HTML interface to TB! means making certain the doors between the client and os are locked securely and then give the key to the user. Dennis -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Dennis Hays / HaysDesign http://www.haysdesign.com Sent on Sunday, February 27, 2005 at 11:26 AM USA Eastern -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. ICQ: 200045507 / AIM: edennishays yahoo: dennishays / Jabber: dennishays Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: html whitelist wish
Hello Goncalo, Saturday, February 26, 2005, 9:11:05 AM, you wrote: In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : PVN On 2/25/2005 Dennis Hays wrote: DH What we all have in common, on this list, are the reasons we DH originally came to TB! And, from a marketing point of view, these DH have to be respected. I don't think most of us looked at this DH product because of its fine HTML viewer. PVN 2/25/2005 2:27 PM PVN Hi Dennis, PVN How true! Because of that it's just fine to keep the lame html support. Is that it? No, of course not. Never did I mean to imply such. But to place emphasis on a me-too feature is, IMO, not relevant to TB!'s purpose as a *better* MUA. Dennis -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Dennis Hays / HaysDesign http://www.haysdesign.com Sent on Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 9:15 AM USA Eastern -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. ICQ: 200045507 / AIM: edennishays yahoo: dennishays / Jabber: dennishays Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
Hello Mary, Saturday, February 26, 2005, 11:52:12 AM, you wrote: Hello David! On Saturday, February 26, 2005, 10:33 AM, you wrote: The perfect option will be a button or something to load the images of the current mail. And this should be made manually every time. --snipped-- Are we getting close to consensus here? If so, please meet me on TBOT for some more savory pecan recipes. :) TB!'s history has been one of penultimate user configuration. As long as the default is as Nancy Reagan waould say, Just say No, then I wouldn't see why anyone would object. In this instance, the user puts himself/herself at risk, if wanted. I have no objection. Dennis -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Dennis Hays / HaysDesign http://www.haysdesign.com Sent on Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 11:58 AM USA Eastern -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. ICQ: 200045507 / AIM: edennishays yahoo: dennishays / Jabber: dennishays Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Quoting Dave Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ---snipped-- Granted, there are many end users who will not know the ramifications of their choices. Buy why should my computing experience be diminished or made more inconvenient for no reason other than to prevent the stupid users from screwing things up? What we all have in common, on this list, are the reasons we originally came to TB! And, from a marketing point of view, these have to be respected. I don't think most of us looked at this product because of its fine HTML viewer. Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[4]: Config: Registry - File
Quoting Maxim Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Goncalo, Thursday, February 24, 2005, 23:29:34, you wrote: ---snipped--- ...determine the percentage delta (changes between resolutions) and reduce the screen coordinates just that much. What do you think? That's a good idea! At least if the new resolution is less than the old, we can ignore the saved coordinates. or store the short list of possible resolutions in an array and update the variable (saved screen size) based on startup values. Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[7]: Config: Registry - File
Hello Goncalo, Thursday, February 24, 2005, 7:11:31 PM, you wrote: In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : DH or store the short list of possible resolutions in an array and DH update the variable (saved screen size) based on startup values. I like mine better! :) Kidding. I guess the 'short list' can be quite different from video card to video card. There is a set of resolution parameters that can be considered a set of defaults: 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 1600x1200 Quite a few video card manufacturers use these, but that's not to say that there isn't some other sizes that could be set by the user. But for talking points, consider the above to be 'built in' where by TB! can test for resultion and apply the last known (saved) or use the next resolution down. What's the worst? The user will get a window occupying less than a whole screen--much like mine is now (I'm running 2560x1200 on a Matrox Dual Head). Maybe yours is better :) Dennis -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Dennis Hays / HaysDesign http://www.haysdesign.com Sent on Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 8:01 PM USA Eastern -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. ICQ: 200045507 / AIM: edennishays yahoo: dennishays / Jabber: dennishays Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
Quoting Maxim Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I will give a little technical update. The batskin.ini, which was a temporary glyph definition file, will no longer be read, the new file which will persist will be batskin.xml; the format of the language file for the people who translate The Bat! will change, the menu and the toolbars will be customisable; shortcut editor will be altered; some other bugs are fixed in the meanwhile; the folder tree and the message list (tree in threading mode) will be completely different, much much better than the current tree; etc. I guess Dierk and I have some re-re-writing to do! Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: any new betas in process?
Quoting Thomas Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: XML! in batskin.ini No, probably DOS 2.1 Basic Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com +1 518.331.3232 -- IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: Effective January 1, 2005, this email address will be discontinued. The new email address is: D (dot) Hays (at) haysdesign (dot) com Please make adjustments accordingly. The new address is available immediately -- Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Quoting Marck D Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: --snipped-- They have announced right here that their version / beta release policy has changed and that they will never again release bug-ridden versions just because marketing tell them the time is right. And to add to this thread... RITLabs has agreed to a proposal Dierk Haasis and I submitted regarding the re-write and updating of the Help text. Currently, Dierk and I are busy reformatting, redesigning, and rewriting. Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com +1 518.331.3232 -- IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: Effective January 1, 2005, this email address will be discontinued. The new email address is: D (dot) Hays (at) haysdesign (dot) com Please make adjustments accordingly. The new address is available immediately -- Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Quoting Greg Strong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Dennis, Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 6:46:04 AM, Dennis Hays wrote: Although I speak English I am concerned about Ritlabs and TB reaching the product's market potential. Will the revised help text be available for all languages included in the International Pack? (note: see available languages in text box below) snipped--- I cannot answer as to RITLabs intentions and production. We (Dierk and I) writing in English. Dennis -- Dennis Hays HaysDesign +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Encrypting mail and national law
Batters: On Sunday, November 14, 2004, at 2:53:08 AM, Avi Yashar jumped on the stage, took a mike and sang: They gave the broken lock back to me with a note attached saying that they had done it and that they were not liable for the damage. That is highly odd. Had the lock been a valuable one, perhaps constructed in a unique and expensive way... Does the law allow for private property to be destroyed on the basis of unconfirmed suspicion and without any attempt to repay the owner? Some law. `--[end quote] While odd, it does happen. The TSA requests the use of approved locks they can unlock and re-lock. See: http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1634.xml Dennis -- Dennis Hays/Haysdesign License: http://www.haysdesign.com/license 11/14/2004 at 11:52 AM (-5 UTC) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.7 on Windows 2000 5.| 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.7 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Encrypting mail and national law
Batters: Dennis, in response to your screech of dismay, I was a visitor to the U.S. How could I be expected to know what type of locks to buy... or that I need to buy a special type of lock? And this happened almost two years ago. Perhaps those special TSA locks were not introduced back then. --snipped- `--[end quote] While I do understand, there is a known saying in US law, Ignorance of the law is no excuse. And, in light of Ashcroft and now maybe Gonzales, I don't see it getting better. They have yet to address email protective measure, such as PGP, for instance, but heck, give them a chance. Dennis -- Dennis Hays/Haysdesign License: http://www.haysdesign.com/license 11/14/2004 at 1:21 PM (-5 UTC) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.7 on Windows 2000 5.| 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.7 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Procedures at Bug Track [was Re: Where are Quick Templates?]
Batters: Hello Avi! On Saturday, November 13, 2004, 8:04 AM, you wrote: ---snipped--- Well, and then I am so naive (read, gullible) and hotheaded and impulsive. Strange combination with the tendencies I acquired in 75 years of being a mom and ca. 30 of being a teacher of young children. Oops--I'm wandering OT again. :) ...and you're doing no different here ;) MB I won't have to include the Create a Quick Template ambiguity, MB since making clear how to activate that choice is a separate need MB which will probably get addressed in the Help file. AY Yes, probably, eventually, maybe... :shuffle: It will happen! Remember *Field of Dreams* ? There are no guarantees in life! `--[end quote] Dennis -- Dennis Hays/Haysdesign License: http://www.haysdesign.com/license 11/13/2004 at 9:56 AM (-5 UTC) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.6 on Windows 2000 5.| 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.7 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
Quoting Mary Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Dierk! On Tuesday, November 09, 2004, 9:45 AM, you wrote: --snipped- I just thought that those to whom it does seem important should have a choice. As I said to Avi, just now. :) What I determine to be said here, under the desires of beta testers and their dialog, is that TB should be as flexible in this regard as it is with the use of QTs, templates, regular expressions, et al. It should allow the users to configure the program to best fit their tasks. Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com http://www.egseries.com +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.2 is now available
Batters: Hello All, I've returned :) The Bat! 3.0.2.2 is now available from http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Here is a short list of changes: [-] (#0003912) Filter in virtual folders, based on Comment field, doesn't work [-] (#0003966) Filtering on color does not appear to work [-] (#0002601) Incoming message filters are not processed [-] (#0003928) NFS does not distinguish between To and CC header fields [-] (#0003922) Filters update problem when changing folder names [-] (#0003766) The chosen VF does not show new messages in the list after receive of mail [*] VF: start up [*] Windows Editor has been significantly reworked `--[end quote] No hangs on Win2k to date. Dennis -- Dennis Hays/Haysdesign 10/27/2004 at 6:33 PM (-5 UTC) The Bat 3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 2195Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Spelling
Mary: Hello Mary! On Saturday, October 23, 2004, 10:04 AM, you wrote: MB This was discussed in MB mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] in MB regard to RC%. Aargh! that should be RC5. `--[end quote] You probably just hit the SHIFT key a percentage of the time. Dennis -- Dennis Hays/Haysdesign License: http://www.haysdesign.com/license 10/23/2004 at 11:09 AM (-5 UTC) The Bat 3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 2195Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Pro vs Home
Quoting Mary Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In other words, I saw it as an opportunity to support RitLabs in the face of all the bashing the company was taking at the time, on-line, in the TB! lists, and in Private Mails to me. I have to agree with Mary on this. I also consider any email client my most used application and an extremely necessary one for me. From time to time, over the past years, I've evaluated other programs and found them lacking in either feature sets or in workflow. The price I have paid for TB!, including the recent update, is quite minor for the time and use I get from it (especially when considering other programs in which I've paid hundreds of dollars originally and more than a hundred dollars for each update). Best, Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com http://www.egseries.com +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Quoting Mary Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arjan! On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 1:29 PM, you wrote: ADJIt's these people you should say thank you to (IMNSHO ADJof course). MBSo, I'm waiting for your thank-you to me. So far, all I MBhave received is an on-line scolding. :) AdG Are you a Beta Tester then? Sorry, I haven't noticed before. -snipped-- Most all the beta testers on this forum are customers of RitLabs, as well. When they offer opinions as to bugs or feature additions, they can't help but influence RitLabs. While, from time to time, we differ with each other, all of us, at the end of the day, are looking for one element: the improvement of one product. Under normal circumstances it's a symbiotic relationship. I surmise that someone entering this discourse, with the sole intent to denigrate the established relationship is doing so with a separate agenda, especially if they prove, by actions and testimony that they neither proffer working towards the common goal or _buying into_ ownership--and, yes, the pun is intended. The contributions on this list have been immeasurable over the past years and we've seen a change in the working relationship between beta testers and RitLabs in the recent past, due to specific constructive comments hereon. I'll say no more about this matter except to offer my respect to both the developers and testers for what they've accomplished to date. Best, Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com http://www.egseries.com +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB documentation
Quoting Mary Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED]: snipped--- I vote for encouraging RitLabs to hire a technical writing team with an editorial staff and a line of organization which puts ultimate responsibility for documentation on one person, the head of that editorial staff. There has been communications on this list regarding TB! documentation be it Help text, Acrobat PDF, hard copy, or other form--as yet undecided. A sub-comment to the request alluded to the membersip of this list having experience in technical writing (I am also of that group). Should TB! management consider these proposals, then I suggest it look to the members of this forum that have both writing experience and experience in using TB!. While that seems obvious, I feel it worth mentioning as who better to address this need than the users and testers hereon. Should this proposal proceed further than the communication on here, how should the tasks be broken out? Here's a first go at it: Basic Setup (including Accounts) Account Properties Templates QTs POP Configuration IMAP Configuration Folder Maintenance Network Administration Preferences PTV/RTV Filters and Sorts Address Book and Mailing Lists Scheduler Security Anti-Spam This is a gross overview and may represent personnel assignments, with one person/group assigned one or more of the above and with one person managing the flow and organization. Yes, I know this is quite preliminary, but you (plural) raised the issue and maybe some prodding in this direction is necessary. Comments? Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com http://www.egseries.com +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 3.0.1 RC/3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TBALPHA - or just calm the heck down?
Quoting MaXxX [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Friday, August 13, 2004, at 5:36:59 PM, time seemed to stop as 9Val uttered these words: -snipped- 1. There's only you, 9Val, who communicates in here - and you almost save the day, but it still is too rarely. I don't mean it as an attack on you - just a statement of fact: sometimes nobody from RIT speaks for almost a week or so, right after releasing a new bug-loaded beta... This, for a mature project, is unacceptable... 2. The bug-hunting is not coordinated in any way. Even a bug that is found, identified, and confirmed by multiple testers, sometimes simply gets ignored, or the discussion about it changes topic, and everyone forgets about it. --more snipped here-- MaXxX does bring up some valid points here and one, specifically, I'd like to address. In more than one project, I've been a part of a group called by some different names, but mostly by _Configuration Management_. This group worked with the developers to ensure packages (software) were delivered with all parts: executable, help, and documentation. But it was also responsible for publishing a regular report, in most cases weekely, defining the state of bugs, modifications, and enhancements. This report detailed each reported item and said whether the line item was closed, in progress, or open and also showed the date and/or release number the item was scheduled for, if any. The report is primarily a communications document produced from a database that let all know whether or not a bug has been reported (such as in bugtracker) and also whether or not the testers comments, suggestions, and wishes had been duly noted and either accepted or passed over. I realize the current bugtracker has some of these parameters, but it doesn't report whether a tester's comments, suggestions, and wishes have been entertained and some, like MaXxX, can feel slighted. Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com http://www.DigitalSauces.com License: http://www.haysdesign.com/license +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 2.13 'Lucky' Beta/4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Sorry, but what is the rogue?
Batters: DH On Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 4:47:19 PM you wrote: At least the user then has a choice to download from a known source, cancel the operation, or choose another URL. DH Sorry, that does not address the concerns I brought up. `--[end quote] All it does do is place the URL in front of the user prior to D/L. I can make an initial assumption that there is 1 or 2 URLs known by TB and can be considered to be valid, as far as a known location for smilies and Rogopics. Could the individual files be compromised? Of course they can. First, there's the issue of using these eye-candies. Those that want a semi-secure MUA won't want to turn these on. That's step one; to enable or disable them (default to disable?). Secondly, if the user does decide to enable one or both of these, then TB allows the user to perform a semi-automatic D/L by putting the URL in front of his/her face (and maybe a note to warn the user if the URL doesn't match the URL of record for the eye-candy). There is an element of personal responsibility. The only way to keep absolutely safe is not to play (from WarGames, 1983). Dennis -- Dennis Hays/Haysdesign License: http://www.haysdesign.com/license 7/11/2004 at 1:48 PM (-5 UTC) The Bat 2.12 RC/3 on Windows 2000 5.0 2195Service Pack 4 Current beta is v2.12 RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 2.12 RC/3 is now available
Batters: -snipped- Have anybody black square without window creation (opening folder view, starting program)? MF No, this happens only when opening a message by double-click. `--[end quote] Not necessarily. I also got the dreaded black square upon starting TB. However, present Ctrl-Stift-Alt-t did replace the square with someone's picture (maybe I like the black square better :grin: ) Dennis -- Dennis Hays/Haysdesign License: http://www.haysdesign.com/license 7/10/2004 at 4:12 PM (-5 UTC) The Bat 2.12 RC/3 on Windows 2000 5.0 2195Service Pack 4 Current beta is v2.12 RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [Subject added to make a point]
Quoting Michael L. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There ARE two types of people on this list: Those who think there are two types of people on this list and those who just see it as a list, and use it. ...and those who should know to use better SUBJECT attributions. Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.haysdesign.com http://www.DigitalSauces.com Disclaimer/License: http://www.haysdesign.com/license/ Tel: +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is v2.12 Beta/7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: insert picture as attachment
Quoting MaXxX [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -snipped--- Not to mention that apparently the screen-grabbing utility was set to produce high-quality JPEGs - a picture that small should never be 20k, which is the main reason why inserting inline or attached images is often considered a BAD idea... ...and with JPG images, there is always the possibility it contains EXIF data, which does sweeten the size considerably. Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.haysdesign.com http://www.DigitalSauces.com Disclaimer/License: http://www.haysdesign.com/license/ Tel: +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 2.12 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Problem with selecting and copying text in the Message Source Viewer
Batters: AM Now select *just* the message id or e-mail addresses in the source AM viewer using the mouse. AM I'm getting results like this: AM Although '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' is the only string that's AM selected, the text actually copied to the clipboard is: AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] AM I wish to copy a message id and I get: AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] AM I get the preceding '' and the last character 'm' is missing. AM Can anyone confirm? `--[end quote] Confirmed. -- Dennis Hays Haysdesign.com 7/8/2004 at 2:55 PM (-5 UTC) The Bat 2.11.02 on Windows 2000 5.0 2195Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Smilies Run Rampant
Batters: [Mark Partous questioned:] MP Do you really mean that unchecking the Use smiley Icons in the HTML Viewer MP in the Options/Preferences/Editor-screen does not answer your MP should require no effort on our part to disable smiles when they become MP problematic. remark? MP BTW, this reply does not mean I am smiley oriented. I only know a few MP common ones... `--[end quote] After much thought, dinner with my wife and a Tanqueray and Tonic or 2 to mull this over, here's my desire: While I'm not one to use smilies, as a general rule, I do understand their need/want and how some may derive benefit from their use. Disabling the /Use smilie icons in the HTML viewer/ disables *all* smilies. What I think TB needs is a method to ensure (besides the check box above for those that are anti-smilies) smiles appear when they're wanted and not as part of general text where they weren't intended. So, if I use troops (\troops\), coops (\coops\), hoops (\hoops\) and the like, I can be certain the reader of my missive see's the words I used and not any icons replacing the text. So, during the beta process, as we write back and forth, we should keep our eyes open for unwanted text replacement (UTR). Then, the PDSF.MSL file can be adjusted accordingly. Does that make sense? Dennis -- Dennis Hays Haysdesign.com 5/29/2004 at 8:56 PM (-5 UTC) The Bat 2.11 Beta/9 on Windows 2000 5.0 2195Service Pack 4 Current beta is 2.11 Beta/9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Hyperlink bug?
Batters: --snipped CP because it assumed that the closing bracket was part of the URL. As I CP edit this message, if I click on the link it opens in the browser with CP no problem. Weird. CP Can anyone else confirm? CP (http://www.methodize.org/nntprss/) `--[end quote] Confirmed. Also, when hovering on the link, the closing bracket does not display. Dennis -- Dennis Hays Haysdesign.com 4/17/2004 at 8:57 AM (-5 UTC) The Bat 2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 2195Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No messages since Tuesday :-(
Marck D Pearlstone said: Dear John, ---snipped Anyway, this is all about opinion. Yours is that the archives are not safe from harvesters. Mine is the opposite. That they are completely safe and will remain so. Also, as a list administrator I have a duty to reassure other readers that there is no need to panic. Because there is no need. There seems to be strong feelings and evidence on the part of the moderator(s) that, for the foreseeable future, the archive is safe from spam harvesting. Their stance on this subject seems solid and not subject to change unless overwhelming evidence would be offered to the contrary. I would suggest that this ongoing argument, while certainly important, seems to have reached an impasse and, as such, the members of this list will have to make up their own minds whether or not to post here, based on their perceived notions of security. Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.haysdesign.com http://www.DigitalSauces.com Current beta is 2.05 beta 1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Preferences - Message Headers
Batters: I'm not able to use both the Edit and Delete buttons on the Options - Preferences - Message Headers dialog. They are grayed out. Do I need to do something to enable this or... Dennis -- Dennis Hays Haysdesign.com Using 2.02 CE RC2 on 12/6/2003 at 3:54 PM (-5 GMT) Current beta is 2.02 CE RC2 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Signature delimiter
Hello Tony, TB Right, check this out and please tell me if it works. This signature is THE TB actual signature I use with Poco. It's not a copy, I've pointed Kmail TB directly to the sig.txt file that's in my Poco directory on the Windows side TB of this box. TB -- TB TB All the best, Tony. ©2ØØ3 - AWB `--[end quote] Does this look like space-dash-dash-space-return to anyone else (rather than dash-dash-space-return? Dennis -- Dennis Hays/HaysDesign Information Architecture Design http://www.haysdesign.com Telephone: +1 518.479.4220 Sent on Monday, December 01, 2003 at 9:07 PM USA Eastern =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Current beta is 2.01.56 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Suggestion - BayesIt mailinglist
Hello David, DRA Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 10:30:30 AM, you wrote: DH I have a server with a Mailman mailing list available. Currently, DH I am not using it and, as such, I've taken the liberty to create a DH *Batstuff* mailing list. DRA Thank you for the kind offer. May I suggest another angle here? First, DRA a personal issue. I have really, really resisted (for years now) the DRA use of the word stuff in modern conversation about matters that DRA really count. (Is this just American English?) DRA Sometimes these resources labelled like that end up being like the DRA proverbial kitchen drawer. My own family just put whatever they wanted DRA there, and soon it was overflowing, cluttered and indeed hard to use. DRA That's where this conversation started, eh? Keeping TBUDL (e.g.) clear DRA for its original need and purpose? (My own suggestion was to widen the DRA scope of the proposed BayesIt list only _slightly_ to all Bayesian DRA matters, but perhaps I confused the issue. Regrets, if so.) `--[end quote] Good suggestion. I've just changed the mailing list name to 'TBADD' for The Bat! Add Ins. To subscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You will get back a confirmation message. Reply to it to be added to the list. No advertisements. Basic list protocols apply. -- Dennis Hays The Bat! Add In list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] to subscribe Replied on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 at 11:54 AM USA Eastern Current beta is 2.00.22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: COnfused
Tony, Speaking of your signature... is it wise to include the S/N? Dennis Quoting Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Peter, A reminder of what Peter Meyns typed on: Monday, June 16, 2003 at 19:37:41 GMT +0200 PM Where can I get your key? If you look at my signature you'll see the address, it's in all of them. - -- Best regards,Tony. Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/11 S/N A27A5E65©2ØØ3 - AWB Sony Vaio Laptop Windows XP 2600 SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.3 Comment: PGP Key http://homepage.ntlworld.com/t.boom/pgp.htm iQA/AwUBPu4QZKPGT/qOaXlvEQJ6qgCgx5qB44M5/5XbAP8IwiYVqL+0WmoAoIQ5 NfjN4hl/uPlziWBik9VRrsYt =Ktls -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Dennis Hays http://www.haysdesign.com +1 518.331.3232 - Mail sent from: 198.22.236.230 Current beta is 1.63b11 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML Editor proposal
Hello Allie, [On 2/15/2003 at 4:16 PM, you said:]- I think you misunderstood me. I write a message to you in HTML. I define no fonts and defined one font size, i.e., +1 and emboldened it to stress a phrase. When I read the message, the font size will be 11 and the +1 font size will be 12. Why? My default font size here is 11. When another person who uses a smaller screen resolution and therefore prefers to read with size 9 font. The font size for most of the text will be size 9, and the +1 font size, size 10. etc. etc. However, if you define an absolute size. I guess the word absolute was bad. I do realize that the same font at size 10 will look different on different monitors and at different resolutions. This is exactly the reason why I believe it shouldn't be used. Let the recipient determine what font sizes are readable for him/her. To do this, don't define a font size and change font sizes only in a relative way. ---[END QUOTE] Now, we're on the same frequency. Absolute font sizes are a problem, but +1 is not absolute. It's relative to the user's setting. I agree with you completely and, by doing this, the message would be clear to all as to intent and as to any emphasis. -- Best, Dennis http://www.DigitalSauces.com http://www.haysdesign.com Replied on Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 8:35 PM (-5.00 GMT) Current beta is 1.63b6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML Editor proposal
Hello James, [On 2/15/2003 at 6:23 PM, you said:]- I'd think it would be very practical to all recipients of html messages. As for implementation, I'd like to see a button on the viewer that could override any html message to one's default settings. Dennis Hayes employs the use of something similar on this site http://www.haysdesign.com/ and similar usage is displayed here as well: http://www.alistapart.com/stories/alternate/ We already have this power in TB, as you note, provided that no absolutes are declared. The above examples are possible answers to those messages that do have absolute declarations. ---[END QUOTE] For further amplification, http://www.haysdesign.com uses CSS completely and no tables for a background grid. On the right side of the main page, there is a link that switches the CSS style sheet to another that declares a different color scheme. That same idea can also be used to switch to a style sheet for those needing larger type, or more contrast, or to create a different scheme entirely for printing. All I have done is separate content from style. -- Best, Dennis http://www.DigitalSauces.com http://www.haysdesign.com Replied on Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 8:39 PM (-5.00 GMT) Current beta is 1.63b6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail Ticker font
Hello Dierk, [On 1/31/2003 at 12:52 PM, you said:]- Hello TBBETA Members! Anybody ever changed the colour of the MT font? It stays green here when I try. ---[END QUOTE] To paraphrase Henry Ford, You can have any color you want as long as it's green. Mine stays green as well--confirmed. -- Best, Dennis http://www.DigitalSauces.com http://www.haysdesign.com Replied on Friday, January 31, 2003 at 2:08 PM (-5.00 GMT) Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Kaspersky plug-in - working or not?
Hello Alexander, I have PC-cillin 2002 set to examine my attachments folder. This has quarantined a virus or two over the last week (stupid Outlook Express client with a false return address of Screen Saver [EMAIL PROTECTED]--WORM_YAHA.A virus). As long as I have TB! set to dump attachments in the Attachments folder, PC-cillin seems to work quite well. Thursday, March 28, 2002, 3:31:05 PM, you wrote: AL Hello Jan, ALOn Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:54:45 -0500 (28.03.02 19:54 my local time) ALyou wrote about Kaspersky plug-in - working or not?, ALat least in part: JR Don't know how to proceed JR from this point. Any ideas? AL Find possibilities to increase amount of requests from different users AL of pc-cillin -- Best, Dennis Hays TB 1.60c on Windows 2000 SP2 http://www.DigitalSauces.com http://www.haysdesign.com Replied on Thursday, March 28, 2002 at 4:16 PM (-5.00 GMT) _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugs/Wishes: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
