Re: 4.2.44 - please test HTML background images when scrolling
Hi, Max --- Friday, March 25, 2011, 5:24:51 PM, you wrote: > Hello TBBETA, > Those who are using the program version 4.2.42, please test 4.2.44. > It has a single bug fix: > [-] Fixed a bug of display of some background images of HTML > messages, introduced in The Bat! 4.2.40-42. > We will make 5.0.xx with the same bug fixed soon, and please let us > know whether that 4.2 update fixed the bug, before we make an EXE file for > version 5. > http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_4-2-44.msi > http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_4-2-44.msi > http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_4-2-44.msi > Thank you in advance! > P.S. The international pack didn't change. Fixed. Many thanks! -- Regards, Morton A. Goldberg, DVM mailto:magoldb...@thebat.net http://inoculate128.blogspot.com/ Running The Bat! version 4.2.44 with AntiSpam Sniper 2.8.11 under Windows XP Professional SP3 Build 2600 Current beta is 5.0.0.153 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Two Problems with 5.0.0.107
Greetings -- After reading the recent reports by the brave souls who installed the alpha when it was first released, I decided to take the plunge. For the most part, so far so good -- but I have run into two problems. 1) In order to try the new IMAP code, I deleted my (seldom-used) AIM (AOL) account, including the mail files, and re-established it as an IMAP account. While the basic IMAP and SMTP functions both worked, The Bat's system resource use gradually climbed until it was using over 80% of my CPU power. Tried it twice to verify the problem, and finally ended up deleting the IMAP account and reverting to POP. By comparison, even with 7 POP email accounts all in use at once, The Bat's CPU use runs about 2%. 2) Version 5.0.0.107 ignores my choice to "Mark message as read only when it is open in a separate window," and instead marks it as read as soon as I select it for display in the preview window. Confirmations, anyone? Should I file bug reports on either or both of these? Incidentally, the (much-improved!) URL Manager, now apparently called the Image Manager, has one Cyrillic label at the top of the menu to the right of the lower window. I have only been using this new version for a few hours, but so far, I have not run across any problems other than those already mentioned here. Great job, RITLab programmers! IMHO this version looks very promising. -- Regards, Morton A. Goldberg, DVM mailto:magoldb...@thebat.net http://inoculate128.blogspot.com/ Running The Bat! version 5.0.0.107 ALPHA with AntiSpam Sniper 3.2.1.1 under Windows XP Professional SP3 Build 2600 --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 101123-2, 11/23/2010 Tested on: 11/24/2010 4:44:07 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: When are we going to get a fix for the never ending attempts to download?
Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 5:08:10 AM, Mark Partous wrote: > Hello Uwe, > Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 10:59:59 AM, you wrote: US>> I can confirm. For me it happened only for https links. > Idem dito. Ditto here, too. -- Regards, Morton A. Goldberg, DVM mailto:magoldb...@thebat.net http://inoculate128.blogspot.com/ Running The Bat! version 4.2.35 with AntiSpam Sniper 3.2.11 under Windows XP Professional SP3 Build 2600 --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100316-0, 03/16/2010 Tested on: 3/16/2010 2:49:24 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Current beta is 4.2.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PNG Picture Import Problem
Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 1:36:02 AM, Feli wrote: > Hello Morton, > On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:56:07 -0500GMT Morton A. Goldberg, DVM wrote: MAGD>> Tried importing a PNG picture to one of my address book entries. MAGD>> Even though the PNG format is supposed to be supported, I got an MAGD>> alert box with an error message: MAGD>> "Unknown Graphics Stream Format" MAGD>> So I converted the picture to a JPG and tried again. That time, it imported MAGD>> normally. > confimed here, same error message. It's possible to import any other format > than .png Thank you. Filed Bug Report. If you'd like to add note, go here: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7675 -- Regards, Morton A. Goldberg, DVM mailto:magoldb...@thebat.net http://inoculate128.blogspot.com/ Running The Bat! version 4.2.9.4 with AntiSpam Sniper 3.2.11 under Windows XP Professional SP3 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.2.9.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
PNG Picture Import Problem
I just ran into a problem I haven't seen reported yet. Tried importing a PNG picture to one of my address book entries. Even though the PNG format is supposed to be supported, I got an alert box with an error message: "Unknown Graphics Stream Format" So I converted the picture to a JPG and tried again. That time, it imported normally. Can anyone confirm? If so, I'll file a bug report. -- Regards, Morton A. Goldberg, DVM mailto:magoldb...@thebat.net http://inoculate128.blogspot.com/ Running The Bat! version 4.2.9.4 with AntiSpam Sniper 3.2.1.1 under Windows XP Professional SP3 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.2.9.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AV browsing through Folders, mark them read
] JF> 00BE0CC2 [0040] JF> 004C09E2 [0040] JF> 004CFFD9 [0040] JF> 004C1B23 [0040] JF> 004C8F2B [0040] JF> 0056A378 [0040] JF> 0056A3ED [0040] JF> 00563F53 [0040] JF> 00569E9C [0040] JF> 00563F53 [0040] JF> 00A056D4 [0040] JF> 00A086A8 [0040] JF> 00A086F3 [0040] JF> 005681CE [0040] JF> 005677A0 [0040] JF> 0046BBD0 [0040] JF> 0054AC1B [0040] JF> 0054AC92 [0040] JF> 0054AED2 [0040] JF> 0054AF36 [0040] JF> 0054B18E [0040] JF> 00C74EA2 [0040] JF> 00C78FFF [0040] JF> 00C7DF3C [0040] JF> 01268502 [0040] JF> JF> JF> Date: 10 May 2009 22:23:03 JF> OS: Windows XP Service Pack 2 build 2600 JF> PhysMemFreeTotal: 49/191 MB JF> VirtMemFreeTotal: 1842/2047 MB JF> Address: 0047F3E9 JF> ClassName: EInvalidOperation JF> Message: Canvas does not allow drawing JF> IsOSException: 0 JF> Modules: JF> 0040 20090509183050 C:\Programme\The Bat!\thebat.exe JF> Stack: JF> 0047F3E9 [0040] JF> 0047F3E4 [0040] JF> 0047EB00 [0040] JF> 006EBFBA [0040] JF> 006ED118 [0040] JF> 006ED121 [0040] JF> 00563F53 [0040] JF> 005681CE [0040] JF> 00441354 [0040] JF> 005677A0 [0040] JF> 0046BBD0 [0040] JF> 005682CB [0040] JF> 00544BDA [0040] JF> 00563F53 [0040] JF> 005681CE [0040] JF> 0046093B [0040] JF> 00482E68 [0040] JF> 0054B3ED [0040] JF> 00403028 [0040] JF> 00405C38 [0040] JF> 0054B505 [0040] JF> 00441344 [0040] JF> 00441354 [0040] JF> 0046093B [0040] JF> 00464E8D [0040] JF> 00406B17 [0040] JF> 00406A2C [0040] JF> 00404C5E [0040] JF> 00403044 [0040] JF> 00404BA8 [0040] JF> 00404F9E [0040] JF> 00483C9C [0040] JF> 00404BF0 [0040] JF> 004AF5C9 [0040] JF> 004E [0040] JF> 00477912 [0040] JF> 005730AB [0040] JF> 00404D82 [0040] JF> 00572B1D [0040] JF> 0054B2C5 [0040] JF> 005677DB [0040] JF> 0047F3E4 [0040] JF> 004C6B43 [0040] JF> 0047F1FD [0040] JF> 005686C5 [0040] JF> 0047F3E4 [0040] JF> 008C16C9 [0040] JF> 0047F3E4 [0040] JF> 0047F2DB [0040] JF> 004DD519 [0040] JF> 004EC3A0 [0040] JF> 0047D158 [0040] JF> 0047D2C6 [0040] JF> 0047D9E3 [0040] JF> 004D032D [0040] JF> 004C5AD7 [0040] JF> 004CAE6F [0040] JF> 004B5298 [0040] JF> 004B45D6 [0040] JF> 00566503 [0040] JF> 0056655E [0040] JF> 0056906B [0040] JF> 004F07D0 [0040] JF> 00563F53 [0040] JF> 005681CE [0040] JF> 005677A0 [0040] JF> 0046BBD0 [0040] JF> 004204B3 [0040] JF> 005682CB [0040] JF> 005649D0 [0040] JF> 00568FCF [0040] JF> 00563F53 [0040] JF> 005681CE [0040] JF> 005677A0 [0040] JF> 0046BBD0 [0040] JF> 0056A645 [0040] JF> 00404F9E [0040] JF> 0047EAC7 [0040] JF> 00403044 [0040] JF> 004C6484 [0040] JF> 00570812 [0040] JF> 00565EEE [0040] JF> 005661AE [0040] JF> 0056632C [0040] JF> 0056641D [0040] JF> 0054050A [0040] JF> 00542E32 [0040] JF> 00566503 [0040] JF> 0056655E [0040] JF> 00566553 [0040] JF> 00BDC620 [0040] JF> 00405416 [0040] JF> 004945E1 [0040] JF> 004F05E3 [0040] JF> 0045FF3D [0040] JF> 00441354 [0040] JF> 0046093B [0040] JF> 00460925 [0040] JF> 005681CE [0040] JF> 004051DA [0040] JF> 004945E1 [0040] JF> 004051DA [0040] JF> 004945E1 [0040] JF> 008C16C9 [0040] JF> 004945E1 [0040] JF> 0049433D [0040] JF> 00BE41CF [0040] JF> 004D0038 [0040] JF> 004D004D [0040] JF> 00BDE782 [0040] JF> 00BDECA9 [0040] JF> 00BDF801 [0040] JF> 00BDCAAE [0040] JF> 00BDC5F9 [0040] JF> 00441354 [0040] JF> 006771DC [0040] JF> 0098EC76 [0040] JF> 005415EB [0040] JF> 005411AA [0040] JF> 005411C6 [0040] JF> 00404FC1 [0040] JF> 0054888E [0040] JF> 0098E088 [0040] JF> 00A7EED6 [0040] JF> 00A7F0EB [0040] JF> 00707B6A [0040] JF> 007095C7 [0040] JF> 00708E6E [0040] JF> 007098DD [0040] JF> 00BE0CC2 [0040] JF> 004C09E2 [0040] JF> 004CFFD9 [0040] JF> 004C1B23 [0040] JF> 004C8F2B [0040] JF> 0056A378 [0040] JF> 0056A3ED [0040
Re[4]: MSI Installer Breaks Existing QuickLaunch Icon
Hi, Stuart --- Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 1:01:57 PM, you wrote: SC> Hello Stuart, SC> A reminder of what Stuart Cuddy typed on: SC> Tuesday, January 06, 2009 at 13:00:40 GMT -0600 SC>> Does your shortcut have a "Start in" directory set? SC> Sorry this question was meant for Morton. No, it doesn't. I've been creating it by simply dragging over a copy of the shortcut from the Start Menu --- the one created during the installation. Therefore, it does not even include the full path name of the executable --- just the greyed-out legend "The Bat! Professional Version 4.1.9" I suspect that's why the QuickLaunch icon breaks with each new installation --- because that version number changes, therefore the system "thinks" The Bat! is no longer installed. If so, then the easiest way to fix the problem would be for the installer to create shortcuts which include the full path name --- which does not change with each upgrade. Meanwhile, I suppose a workaround might be to manually create a QuickLaunch icon which DOES include the full path name, and perhaps a "Start In" directory, too. If the next MSI file doesn't corrupt it somehow, it ought to work. -- Regards, Morton A. Goldberg, DVM mailto:magoldb...@thebat.net http://inoculate128.blogspot.com/ Running The Bat! version 4.1.9 with AntiSpam Sniper 2.8.11 under Windows XP Professional SP3 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.1.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
MSI Installer Breaks Existing QuickLaunch Icon
Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 4:06:19 AM, Maxim wrote: MM> Hello TBBETA, MM> Could you please test the following MSI files: MM> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_4-1-9.msi MM> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_4-1-9.msi MM> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_4-1-9.msi MM> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_4-1-9.msi MM> There is nothing new in thebat.exe comparing to the previous beta. Installed with just one problem --- not a new one, but I've never seen it mentioned before. Every time I run one of the MSI files, it breaks my QuickLaunch icon. Instead of launching The Bat!, it brings up an alert box that says the icon is only good for installed products (???). Only fix is to delete the QuickLaunch icon and manually create a new one, which then works fine until the next time I run an MSI file. It would be nice if the MSI installer included the option of creating a QuickLaunch icon by checking a box, but at the very least, it shouldn't break one that's already there. Just filed a BugTraq report here: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7430 -- Regards, Morton A. Goldberg, DVM mailto:magoldb...@thebat.net http://inoculate128.blogspot.com/ Running The Bat! version 4.1.9 with AntiSpam Sniper 2.8.11 under Windows XP Professional SP3 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.1.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.1.6
Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 12:29:19 PM, Maxim wrote: MM> The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) is available at MM> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb4116.rar MM> What's new in 4.1.1.6 since 4.1.1.5: MM> [-] (#0006955) Loading Images in HTML messages caused scrolling back to the start Confirmed as fixed. Thank you, RITLabs. While this bug was far from a showstopper, it's been a major pain in the rear for a long time. Good riddance! -- Regards, Morton A. Goldberg, DVM mailto:magoldb...@thebat.net http://inoculate128.blogspot.com/ Running The Bat! version 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) with AntiSpam Sniper 2.8.11 under Windows XP Professional SP3 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
"Unread" Tab --- Finally Fixed!
Version 4.0.28.3 is U&R. The first thing I did was to test the "Unread" tab --- and found that the problem has indeed been fixed! The former behavior, in which the name of a folder changing from "unread" to "read" is un-bolded, but the folder stays put, has finally been restored. Thank you, Stefan. IMHO, now that this annoyance has been resolved, the new version of The Bat! is ready for prime time. -- Regards, Morton A. Goldberg, DVM mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://inoculate128.blogspot.com/ Running The Bat! version 4.0.28.3 with AntiSpam Sniper 2.8.11 under Windows XP Professional SP3 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.0.28.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 4.0.28.2
Hi, Thomas --- Saturday, August 16, 2008, 11:06:43 PM, you wrote: TF> Up and running. However, due to the Unread tab not having been fixed, TF> I cannot use it in the office. Please add a note about this to the bug tracker at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6632 . This bug has incorrectly been marked as "Fixed" when it is anything but. Even Robert, who first made the bug report, thought it was fixed until I pointed out the problem to him. If those of us who care about this bug don't speak up and let Stefan and the other programmers know that there's a serious problem here that requires further attention, who will? -- Regards, Morton A. Goldberg, DVM mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://inoculate128.blogspot.com/ Current beta is 4.0.28.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 4.0.28.1
Hi, Robert --- Friday, August 15, 2008, 2:13:33 AM, you wrote: > Cannot confirm this. Click on the header of the folderlist to undo the > sorting (until the arrows disappear). Please go re-read the Bug Report at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6632 --- specifically, the numerous comments which have been left by others since you initially made the report. I am by no means the only tester who has been repeatedly bringing this bug to the programmers' attention. Please pay special attention to comment (0021446) by tomtpe on 26 Mar 2008 17:17, in which he said in part: "Also, when all messages in one folder are read, the order changes again. I have the feeling that the folder with now no unread messages jumps to the bottom. This again messes up the order, it is not as it in All tab. "The request was to make the order the same as under the All tab. It's not fixed, IMHO. If it is, it is not apparent to me, and certainly not as intuitive to a new user as was in the previous implementation." I then added another note confirming his observation, (0021483) by Morton A. Goldberg, DVM on 27 Mar 2008 20:57, in which I stated, "I see exactly what tomtpe means. Problem is that when contents of one folder have all been read, the old behavior was to un-bold the folder label, but leave the folder in place. Now, the folder label is un-bolded as before, but in addition, the folder jumps all the way to the bottom of the stack, making it necessary to scroll all the way up to its old location in order to resume where you left off. Very annoying, and I hope you can restore the old behavior exactly as it used to be." A few weeks later, Pat added this comment, (0021649) by Pat on 16 Apr 2008 06:38, confirming both of the previous observations: "Please fix so that when in Unread folder tab, deleting or reading all messages in a folder does not make the folder jump to the bottom of the folder list, forcing the user to find his place again in the list." In addition to the comments in the Bug Report, there has been a bit of discussion of the problem on this list. This exchange took place on 12 July 2008: >From Thomas Fernandez in reply to a post from Stefan: "On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:09:51 +0300 GMT (11/07/2008, 22:09 +0700 GMT), Stefan Tanurkov wrote: TF>> Honestly, has the Unread Tab been fixed? ST> What's the problem with the Unread Tab? It works OK for me... Not here, I just checked: 1. Any folder in which all the unread messages have been read, jumps to the bottom. This shouldn't happen - the order should be maintained. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6632 " >From Mark Partous in reply to Thomas: "Which is not a big problem when there are only a few folders in which there are unread messages, but becomes pretty annoying when there are more than can be listed on one screen (whithout scrolling, that is)." >From Thomas in reply to Mark: "The reason I depend heavily on the Unread Tab in the office is that there are well over 100 folders, so scrolling would be necessary. The introduction of the Unread Tab increased efficiency tremendously, as only the folders with unread messages are shown. However, if there is any "jumping around" and the folders don't stay on the order as in the All view, the purpose is completely defeated. I am using 3.99.x in the office until the behaviour of the Unread Tab is back to what it was in that version. The current behaviour is a show-stopper for 4.x in the office for me, despite all the other new goodies." That last comment by Thomas expresses my view perfectly. I, too, have well over 100 folders in my tree, and find the new behavior to be a show-stopper. Unlike Thomas, I have not dropped back to 3.99.x, because I am now retired and no longer feel the time pressure I did while running a veterinary practice. However, if I were still in practice, I would almost certainly stop using the beta releases until this problem is fixed. I cannot imagine anyone with a large number of folders being satisfied with the present behavior, particularly if they are upgrading from a previous version in which the "Unread" folders stayed put, but became "un-bolded," once all of their contents were read. If this problem is not fixed before the forthcoming release, RITLabs should be prepared for a deluge of complaints from disgruntled users. -- Regards, Morton A. Goldberg, DVM Running The Bat! Professional 4.0.28.1 under Windows XP Professional Version 2002 SP3 Build 2600 on AMD Athlon XP 1800+ with 2 Gb RAM Current beta is 4.0.28.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.28.1
Hi, Stefan --- Thursday, August 14, 2008, 7:30:01 AM, you wrote: ST> The Bat! 4.0.28.1 is available at ST> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb40281.rar ST> [*] (beta) main window's menu rearranged ST> We want to make a Release Candidate, so if you see any showstoppers, ST> please report them now. There is one showstopper which has been reported many times before over the past 7 months, https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6632 (0006632: Impossible to use folder list sort order from 'All' on 'Unread' tab). With its present behavior, the "Unread" folder view is difficult and awkward to use. Whenever the last unread message in a folder is opened, that folder jumps to the bottom of the list, forcing the user to scroll upward through the entire list in order to find his place. Please restore the old behavior, in which the folder remains in the same place, but its name is unbolded. That simple change would make the "Unread" view far more useful and user-friendly than the present implementation. -- Regards, Morton A. Goldberg, DVM Running The Bat! Professional 4.0.28.1 under Windows XP Professional Version 2002 SP3 Build 2600 on AMD Athlon XP 1800+ with 2 Gb RAM Current beta is 4.0.28.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: New Editor Bug
On Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 12:17:33 AM, Stefan wrote: MAGD>> The reason is that when moving the cursor to the new location, MAGD>> it highlights the underlying area as though the left mouse MAGD>> button were depressed. ST> It was fixed last night (after 4.0.20.5 was released). Thank you, Stefan. That was fast service :-) -- Regards, Morton A. Goldberg, DVM mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 4.0.20.4 with AntiSpamSniper 2.7.1.7 on Windows XP Professional 5.1.2600 S2 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.0.22.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
New Editor Bug
Since changing over to version 4.0.20.4, I have noticed an annoying new bug in MicroEd. It has become very difficult to cut a paragraph and paste it somewhere else. The reason is that when moving the cursor to the new location, it highlights the underlying area as though the left mouse button were depressed. I think that what's happening is that for some reason, MicroEd is now recognizing the mouse hover function. To duplicate this bug, try this: 1) Open an ordinary text message in PTV. 2) Begin a reply to the opened message in MicroEd. 3) After writing some text, highlight a paragraph, release the left mouse button normally, and cut the selected text to the clipboard. 4) Using the mouse, try to move the cursor to the new location into which the selected text is to be pasted. This bug will cause the entire area between the old and new locations to be highlighted, and will also cause the cursor to scroll farther and farther to the right in an uncontrolled manner. Confirm? -- Regards, Morton A. Goldberg, DVM mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 4.0.20.4 with AntiSpamSniper 2.7.1.7 on Windows XP Professional 5.1.2600 S2 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.0.20.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments Trouble?
On Saturday, February 9, 2008, 5:34:23 PM, Bob Riley wrote: BR> Hi Everyone, BR> One two occasions in the past two days, I have had trouble with BR> attachments (zipped email game move files) being attached to a BR> message. After I further edit the outgoing message before sending, the BR> attached zip file suddenly shows at 0 KB (instead of the original 50 BR> KB or so). I don't see how editing a message could affect the BR> attachment. BR> I will monitor this further, just to make sure when it happens, but BR> I have not seen this before with TB. does this sound like a BR> Windows problem or a TB problem? BR> -- BR> Take care, BR> Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Confirmed. -- Regards, Morton A. Goldberg, DVM mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Charter Member - VRWC (Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy) Current beta is 4.0.12.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
