Re: 3.0.9.5: Can't trust statistics (Was: 3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics)
Hello Boris, If I understand it correctly, it's not true for me - filter statistics are saved after a reboot of TheBat! Confirmations? It looks like you are right. 9Val? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.5 Return (pre-beta) on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.5: Can't trust statistics (Was: 3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics)
Hello MAU, If I understand it correctly, it's not true for me - filter statistics are saved after a reboot of TheBat! Confirmations? M It looks like you are right. 9Val? Like I said before, to save filter all times statistic changes is too expensive, so it doesn't. But if you've changed filter all changes, including statistics are saved. In most cases my filters are once-composed longtime-used and therefore contain only session information. Do you like statistics to be just for an session? -- 9Val Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.5: Can't trust statistics (Was: 3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics)
On Monday, March 14, 2005, 13:56, 9Val wrote: Like I said before, to save filter all times statistic changes is too expensive, so it doesn't. But if you've changed filter all changes, including statistics are saved. In most cases my filters are once-composed longtime-used and therefore contain only session information. Do you like statistics to be just for an session? It must be consistent, either always save statistics or never save them. Do not let it depend on whether filters are changed or not. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.5: Can't trust statistics (Was: 3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics)
Hello Marcus, It must be consistent, either always save statistics or never save them. Do not let it depend on whether filters are changed or not. Fully agree with you. But if statistics are saved, there must also be a way to reset them to 0's. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.5 Return (pre-beta) on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.5: Can't trust statistics (Was: 3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics)
Hello 9Val, 9Val wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Do you like statistics to be just for an session? I agree with Marcus and MAU: [X] Activate statistics for this filter Tested: x times Child tested: x times Triggered|Matched: x times Child triggered:x times Efficienc: x % [Reset Filter] [Copy Statistics to Clipboard] I personally won't use the statistics (but would like to see some other features for NFS), but as it's already implemented I suggest that it look like above. You can say whether filter statistics is created or not - if yes, it should be saved every time, and the possibility of a reset must be given. In far future you might be add a button copy statistics to clipboard and maybe some things like Tested since startx times Created atdd/mm/ hh:mm Last change atdd/mm/ hh:mm Oh, at last one thing: I'm very bad in english, but is matched better than triggered? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.5: Can't trust statistics (Was: 3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics)
Hello Boris, Maybe value is stored from last time? This is what 9Val said: Actually filter statistics is correct for that session only, since saving is too expensive operation to be done every time it was tested/triggered. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.5 Return (pre-beta) on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.5: Can't trust statistics (Was: 3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics)
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Maybe value is stored from last time? This is what 9Val said: Actually filter statistics is correct for that session only, since saving is too expensive operation to be done every time it was tested/triggered. If I understand it correctly, it's not true for me - filter statistics are saved after a reboot of TheBat! Confirmations? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.5: Can't trust statistics (Was: 3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics)
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Statistics are not correct and can't be trusted, at least in 3.0.9.5. It looks like Tested starts with a random value. Can't confirm. Maybe value is stored from last time? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.0.9.5: Can't trust statistics (Was: 3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics)
Hello 9Val, Actually filter statistics is correct for that session only, since saving is too expensive operation to be done every time it was tested/triggered. Statistics are not correct and can't be trusted, at least in 3.0.9.5. As an example on of my incoming filters in this account shows Tested 1793 times just after starting TB and when only 2 messages have been collected for this account. It looks like Tested starts with a random value. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.5 Return (pre-beta) on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics
Hello MAU, M The new Statistics tab added to the filter properties is a nice idea. Is M there, or will there be, any way to reset to 0 the statistics for M specific filters? Otherwise it may not be that useful. Actually filter statistics is correct for that session only, since saving is too expensive operation to be done every time it was tested/triggered. -- 9Val Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics
Hello 9Val, Actually filter statistics is correct for that session only, since saving is too expensive operation to be done every time it was tested/triggered. OK, understand. Then, to make it more clear, why not call it 'Session statistics' instead of just 'Statistics'? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics
Hello all, The new Statistics tab added to the filter properties is a nice idea. Is there, or will there be, any way to reset to 0 the statistics for specific filters? Otherwise it may not be that useful. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics
Hello MAU, A reminder of what MAU typed on: March 5, 2005 at 17:12:22 GMT +0100 M The new Statistics tab added to the filter properties is a nice idea. Is M there, or will there be, any way to reset to 0 the statistics for M specific filters? Otherwise it may not be that useful. Agreed. Also the icons for Cut, Copy and Delete do not show correctly under new Schemes. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Is there, or will there be, any way to reset to 0 the statistics for specific filters? Otherwise it may not be that useful. There is currently a way (workaround) to 0 the staistics: CopyPaste the filter and delete the old one :-). But of course it would be better to have a reset funktion. But what do you think about copying filter - should it also copy statistics or not? (I think copy statistics would be more powerfull.) -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics
Hello Boris, But what do you think about copying filter - should it also copy statistics or not? (I think copy statistics would be more powerfull.) I don't see any need of copying statistics, but I wouldn't care if it is done in the future and I have a Reset option. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
