Re: Idea: PGP enabling with address book entry

[Mary Bull]

Hello Costas!

On Sunday, October 24, 2004, 10:17 AM, you wrote:

>> Most people may only need these options and the Privacy menu, but I
>> can still imagine some more flexibility with the macros for much more
>> experienced users.

CP> I support the suggestion too, exactly for the above reason: Give
CP> to the users an easy way to encrypt on a per user basis, but at
CP> the same time allow more experienced people to do more advanced
CP> tasks using macros or other means.

So could you please add your supporting note to the wish at:

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3976

It will be much appreciated.

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PGP enabling BT Wish, Address Book entry [was Re: Idea: PGP enabling with address book entry]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Dierk!

On Sunday, October 24, 2004, 10:51 AM, you wrote:

MB>> If you'll write a wish in BT, I'll put a supporting note.

DH> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3976

DH> I hope the wish is explained lucidly enough ...

Just added my note of support here. I found the explanation in your
wish report to be lucid, concise, and fully descriptive of what's
needed.

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Re: Idea: PGP enabling with address book entry

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Mary!

On Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 4:52:57 PM you wrote:

> If you'll write a wish in BT, I'll put a supporting note.

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3976

I hope the wish is explained lucidly enough ...



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Re: Idea: PGP enabling with address book entry

[Costas Papadopoulos]

Hello Dierk,
Saturday, October 23, 2004, 6:23:54 PM, you wrote (possibly edited):

> Most people may only need these options and the Privacy menu, but I
> can still imagine some more flexibility with the macros for much more
> experienced users.

I  support  the  suggestion too, exactly for the above reason: Give to
the  users an easy way to encrypt on a per user basis, but at the same
time  allow  more  experienced  people to do more advanced tasks using
macros or other means.

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Re: Idea: PGP enabling with address book entry

[Alain de Gevigney]

Hello Dierk,

 On  Sat, 23 Oct 2004 at 21:17:54 [GMT +0200] (which was 21:17 where I live) you wrote:

DH> Hello Zygmunt!

DH> On Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 8:49:22 PM you wrote:

>> %IF:"%ABToMemo"="PGP":"%NoUseSMIMEUsePGP%SignComplete"

DH> Yes, that is a work-around, would have to add %ENCRYPTCOMPLETE. Two
DH> drawbacks, the condition has to be a bit more complicated to allow for
DH> independent signing and encryption. And you couldn't use the Memo
DH> field for other purposes anymore.

Why ?, I still use it for some macro that search for a word at the
beginning of the line and return the end of the line or a default value,
they all look like those 2 ones:

,- [ GreetMemo ]
| %If:'%SETPATTREGEXP="(?is)^Greet (.*?)$"%REGEXPMATCH="%ABOFromMemo"'='':'%-
| Bonjour %ABOFromFirstName,%-
| ':'%-
| %SETPATTREGEXP="(?is)^Greet (.*?)$"%REGEXPMATCH="%ABOFromMemo"'%-
`-
,- [ QuoteStyleMemo ]
| %If:'%SETPATTREGEXP="(?is)^Quote (.*?)$"%REGEXPMATCH="%ABOFromMemo"'='':'%-
| %QInclude="Initiales"%-
| ':'%-
| %SETPATTREGEXP="(?is)^Quote (.*?)$"%REGEXPMATCH="%ABOFromMemo"'%-
`-

I think that with a few more work and some delimiters, we can add
everything we want in this field ;)


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Re: Idea: PGP enabling with address book entry

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Zygmunt!

On Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 8:49:22 PM you wrote:

> %IF:"%ABToMemo"="PGP":"%NoUseSMIMEUsePGP%SignComplete"

Yes, that is a work-around, would have to add %ENCRYPTCOMPLETE. Two
drawbacks, the condition has to be a bit more complicated to allow for
independent signing and encryption. And you couldn't use the Memo
field for other purposes anymore.

Lets see, what I suggest is four independent check fields and two
option buttons:

S/MIME
  sign [ ]
  encrypt  [ ]

PGP
  sign [ ]
inline ()
  encrypt  [ ]
inline ()

Granted, the check fields could also be radio buttons, but that would
be a bit confusing.

I'd see this as actually enhancing the usability particularly to new
users who may have been chosen TB for its PGP capabilities (yes, there
must be some beside me).

Am I right or did I miss something?




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Re: Idea: PGP enabling with address book entry

[Zygmunt Wereszczynski]

On Saturday, October 23, 2004, at 16:25:27 [UTC+0200] (Saturday, October 23,
2004 16:25 my local time) Dierk Haasis wrote:

>   Anybody like this: Options in the AB to enable PGP signing or
>   encrypting per contact entry. Would be much easier than adding
>   macros to templates.

There is a kind of such capability in AB with its Memo field and %ABToMemo
macro. For example, you may insert "PGP" entry to Memo field and then use it
in template with conditional macro like this:

%IF:"%ABToMemo"="PGP":"%NoUseSMIMEUsePGP%SignComplete"

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Re: Idea: PGP enabling with address book entry

[Kevin Coates]

Hi Dierk,

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:25:27 +0200 (10:25 AM here), Dierk Haasis [DH]
wrote in :

DH> Anybody like this: Options in the AB to enable PGP signing or
DH> encrypting per contact entry. Would be much easier than adding
DH> macros to templates.

You probably would need a way to differentiate between contacts that
support PGP/MIME and those that only handle inlined PGP.

I always wanted a macro with an "encrypt to" key so I could specify
what key to encrypt to. This would be helpful when the key does not
contain a userID that matched the recipient's e-mail address.

And once again, more than any of these, I'd like to be able to save
decrypted messages.

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Re: Idea: PGP enabling with address book entry

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Dierk Haasis,

>   Anybody like this: Options in the AB to enable PGP signing or
>   encrypting per contact entry. Would be much easier than adding
>   macros to templates.

As an extra it would be nice. I wouldn't like it in stead of 
the macros.

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Re: Idea: PGP enabling with address book entry

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Peter!

On Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 4:55:12 PM you wrote:

> I'm afraid, another interface option to sign or encrypt PGP inline or
> PGP/MIME or S/MIME might contribute to irritating newbies.

Hm. My needs for PGP are usually connected to my contacts. That is
there are people I regularly use PGP with an some that I cannot use it
at all (T-Online users). Most folks most of the time have open contact
with me.

Currently I've set up various QTs for different kinds of contacts,
mainly I distinguish between business and private contacts and English
and German ones. T-Online users got their own QTs with the %NOUSEPGP
macro.

When I today decided I want to have all my mail with one specific
contact encrypted I found that I'd have to create a new QT for that.
Not a big deal, but not optimal - this way QTs abound. Then I got the
idea how easy it would be to just check PGP-signing or PGP-encrypting
within an AB entry. This could always be overridden in the message
editor through the Privacy menu.

Most people may only need these options and the Privacy menu, but I
can still imagine some more flexibility with the macros for much more
experienced users.

Lets see what others think and what my own contemplation will bring
about in the next hours/days. I won't put it into the BT before
tomorrow, in case it transpires that my idea is not that good.





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Re: Idea: PGP enabling with address book entry

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Dierk Haasis & everyone else

23-Okt-2004 16:25, you wrote:

> Anybody like this: Options in the AB to enable PGP signing or encrypting
> per contact entry. Would be much easier than adding macros to templates.

NICE idea. Count me in.

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Re: Idea: PGP enabling with address book entry

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Dierk,

on Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:25:27 +0200GMT, you wrote:

DH>   Anybody like this: Options in the AB to enable PGP signing or
DH>   encrypting per contact entry. Would be much easier than adding
DH>   macros to templates.

This is a neat idea, but I'd prefer the macros way to additional
interface items in this case. There are only few people who use PGP,
and these are probably savvy enough to find the macros. It must be set
up only once, so why not use the macros? Or do you change these
entries often?

I'm afraid, another interface option to sign or encrypt PGP inline or
PGP/MIME or S/MIME might contribute to irritating newbies.

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Re: Idea: PGP enabling with address book entry

[Mary Bull]

Hello Dierk!

On Saturday, October 23, 2004, 9:25 AM, you wrote:

DH> ... Options in the AB to enable PGP signing or encrypting per
DH> contact entry. ...

If you'll write a wish in BT, I'll put a supporting note. It would
indeed be much easier than adding macros to templates.

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Idea: PGP enabling with address book entry

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello TBBETA Members!

  Anybody like this: Options in the AB to enable PGP signing or
  encrypting per contact entry. Would be much easier than adding
  macros to templates.



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