Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello Thomas, On Sat, 28 May 2005 23:30:16 +0700 GMT (28/05/2005, 23:30 +0700 GMT), Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF I still cannot configure a shortcut for a character set. It would be TF ROT13 that I used to have a shortcut for, with Latin-1 being the TF other, to go back. This deficiency is still present in 3.5.26. -- Cheers, Thomas. ROBOTRON: Unsere Mikroelektronik ist die Groesste! Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.26 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello Vili, On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 15:30:47 +0200 GMT (12/06/2005, 20:30 +0700 GMT), Vili wrote: V What about a Quick Template to switch charset? I am talking about viewing messages. -- Cheers, Thomas. Lothar Matthaeus (ehemaliger Nationalspieler) zum Koks-Skandal um Christoph Daum: Wichtig ist, dass er nun eine klare Linie in sein Leben bringt! Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.26 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello Vili, On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:08:48 +0200 GMT (12/06/2005, 22:08 +0700 GMT), Vili wrote: V Oh, sorry then! I have tried to find the original mail before I V answered it, but I didnt find (maybe I deleted it) and that is why I V was mistaken. Here is a cp from another message (mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) which explains it better: So I tried to create a shortcut. I used to have a shortcut for View / Character Set / ROT13 and another one to get back to Latin-1. This is because I read a newsgroup where people often post comments in ROT13. Now, it took me a while to find View / Character Set /, but not all the encodings I find under the actual View menu are shown. Just some default ones. So I cannot create a shortcut for ROT13 with 3.5RC5. I believe that's because it's WIP, but I thought I'd mention it before the release. Not a show-stopper, but incomplete implementation. -- Cheers, Thomas. Compaq is considering changing the command Press Any Key to Press Return Key because of the flood of calls asking where the Any key is. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.26 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hi Mary, In the message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] which was apparently written on Saturday, May 28, 2005, 9:20:23 PM. I believe you wrote: MB Have you been subscribed to TBBETA for two years? This monthly mail is MB not from RitLabs, but from the TBBETA Moderators. Ah! no.. But Ive been here a good few months, I think just after v3 came out.. so, Id have thought Id have seen it, maybe I skimmed? -- Best regards, Liz (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Website: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello Peter, A step further, my preference, would be to let the user select a menu-/tool-bar and then only show, a well organised, Available items list which make sense for that menu-/tool-bar in that window. That would be my preferred way also. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.20 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello Mary, Saturday, May 28, 2005, 9:26:43 PM, you wrote: Dont get me wrong, I dont disagree, but as its not a ritlabs URL, I wonder how many TB users would see it? Well, I learned about the lists word of mouth (or word-of-e-mail), the same way I learned about The Bat! I seem to remember something in my Welcome letter from RitLabs that mentioned TBUDL, also, or something that used to be on its website, but I couldn't find it just now. In my tb! welcome letter tbudl was mentioned along with a link to what was at the time the support site. However, once you got to TBBETA, your welcome letter from the TBBETA Moderators did tell you about all the lists, as well as a bunch of other useful stuff. Most people apparently don't read that letter :( , or the monthly Mission Statement. :woe: Their loss. Lots of good stuff in it, also. I wish RitLabs would put the TB! Lists info and the Silverstones URL back on the front page of its website!! :pointmade: It's not on the frontpage but here: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/support/ -- Best regards, Andre The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10. A Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello Liz, Sunday, May 29, 2005, 8:53:00 AM, you wrote: MB Have you been subscribed to TBBETA for two years? This monthly mail is MB not from RitLabs, but from the TBBETA Moderators. Ah! no.. But Ive been here a good few months, I think just after v3 came out.. so, Id have thought Id have seen it, maybe I skimmed? Look for mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Marck D Pearlstone Subject: TBBETA Mission Statement Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 10:03:18 +0100 Or watch out on 1 June. It's just a regular list message. -- Best regards, Andre The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10. A Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hi Andre, In the message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] which was apparently written on Sunday, May 29, 2005, 12:42:54 PM. I believe you wrote: AW Look for mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cool. It seems I have that, I shall have to read it.. I must have skimmed, or it threw it in my junk folder :P AW Or watch out on 1 June. It's just a regular list message. That too :) -- Best regards, Liz (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Website: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello Andre! On Sunday, May 29, 2005, 6:38 AM, you wrote: I wish RitLabs would put the TB! Lists info and the Silverstones URL back on the front page of its website!! :pointmade: It's not on the frontpage but here: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/support/ Thanks, Andre. A good place for it, true, but sort of buried. I could not find it at a first skim of the informative support page, but had to carefully read on down. Well, I guess the people who do most desperately need the TB! lists, beginning with TBUDL, will persevere and find them. I don't have to be a mother-hen to the whole world! :) So I'll shut up about where I think RitLabs should put the link. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.21 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello Roger! On Sunday, May 29, 2005, 9:18 AM, you wrote: MB Depends on how your eyes are functioning whether the rest is MB dressing or not. :) MB If the pale blue icons and other transparent pastels are hard to MB see--as they are for me--then a change to a color with more contrast MB against the background is more than just dressing. I reinstalled the batskin.xml file so that I could change some of the glyphs. For some reason when TB uses batskin.xml instead of its internal programme the icons (glyphs) have more contrast, especially with certain themes other than the default (Windows). It might be worth your while trying these. Unfortunately it does not include the yellow series you are using! Thanks, Roger. Good info to have. But it's the yellow envelopes for Unread that I need the most. They are so essential to me and the loss of them was such a personal show-stopper that I would have permanently reverted to v. 3.0.2.10 and ceased beta testing if Miguel had not supplied a substitute. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.21 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello MAU, On Sat, 28 May 2005 17:19:33 +0200 GMT (28/05/2005, 22:19 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: M Themes is another one. In my opinion, there are too many themes M available and, on the contrary, only one set of icons is offered as M default and no easy or evident way is offered to use alternative icons. M I think the TB should include a few alternative sets and a very easy way M to select/change them from inside TB. Also, selecting different sizes M for toolbar and menu icons should easily be possible, also from inside M TB. I would prefer them to be downloadable from a centralised URL, as with Miranda. I don't want to have to download all themes with the main program. M Assigning our preferred keyboard shortcuts is certainly part of M customisation. This is, in general, possible in Customise but there are M still a few limitations: I still cannot configure a shortcut for a character set. It would be ROT13 that I used to have a shortcut for, with Latin-1 being the other, to go back. M That's about all I can think of or remember at the moment, will add more M if I do remember later. Anyway, this is enough for me to say that M 'Customiser' design is far from being finalised. ACK. -- Cheers, Thomas. Hans Krankl (Oesterreichischer Nationaltrainer): Wir muessen gewinnen, alles andere ist primaer. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.20 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello MAU! On Saturday, May 28, 2005, 10:19 AM, you wrote: We all know that the major change and addition to the last beta series and release was a new User Interface and customisation. And we are still dealing with these in this series of post-releases, as we should be. I hope some of these on-going needs will continue to be discussed here and addressed by the developers, in addition to the two general issues--IMAP and submission forms--that Stefan Tanurkov said would be the focus for changes in the next beta series. As a continuation to my Some thoughts on Customisation message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent to this list on April 11th, and as the expansion promised when replying to George M. Menegakis' Is the 'Customiser' design final? thread started in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] yesterday, I would like to add a few comments, in no specific order: From my point of view, customisation is achieved in different ways and not just with Customiser. Well said! Floating and draggable menus and toolbars is one way and that seems to work. So, that's Way Number 1. Themes is another one. In my opinion, there are too many themes available and, on the contrary, only one set of icons is offered as default and no easy or evident way is offered to use alternative icons. I think the TB should include a few alternative sets and a very easy way to select/change them from inside TB. Also, selecting different sizes for toolbar and menu icons should easily be possible, also from inside TB. Way number 2: Customisable icons. I vote for that!! Would you consider that you are customising your TB when you are selecting font types for folder tree, message list, editor, etc.? I do, and I think that _all_ possible font selections should clearly be offered in a single place. Agreed! Including colors of fonts and backgrounds and bolding. This is more than just aesthetics with me--good contrast and reasonable size are important for my old eyes to be able to see and read. So! Way Number 3: Font choices available in one single place. Assigning our preferred keyboard shortcuts is certainly part of customisation. This is, in general, possible in Customise but there are still a few limitations: - No conflicts are checked for and reported. This was possible with Shortcuts editor in previous versions. - Some single characters like Space and Enter cannot be assigned. - AFAIK, there is no way to search for a shortcut (someone mentioned F4 today) and see to what function it is assigned. The new way of editing (customising) shortcuts seems to have been a response to the Bug Track note asking to get all the shortcut editors in one place. But limitations and and disappearance of functions people previously had make it clear this ought still to be a work-in-progress. Way number 4: a more manageable and easier to understand capability for customising shortcuts. It is possible and easy to remove entries (options) from menus and toolbars. I have done this with most context menus to 'reduce' them to the options I use most frequently. However, there is no easy way to change the order of entries in menus and toolbars. Way number 5 and way number 1: menus and toolbars and managing their customisation. With 5 and 1, plus the lacks mentioned below, I count seven on-going needs for optimum easy management of menus and toolbars. 10 Big Lacks in UI and Customisation. I agree with your comments on all of them. This list of Available options in the left window of Customise is anything but intuitive. Some names seem quite weird and options are many times difficult to find and/or understand what they mean and do. I think the list of Available Items, similarly to Current Items, should be named to reflect the name of the menus the user sees (Message, Specials, Folder, Account, etc., etc.) and each of these menus include the corresponding expandable submenus. I think this would be much more intuitive for most users. Fully agree. Additionally, written documentation of Customise in Help is needed. And if I understood Dennis correctly, this is not yet provided for in the professionally contracted Revised Help file, which is standardised on v. 3.0.1.33. That is clear in the work-in-progress PDF that Dennis offered to us about a month ago. I downloaded it and read it in Adobe Reader and thought it is a great improvement. But it won't be up to date unless documentation for Customise and the other user interface changes in 3.5 and post-3.5 is included. I doubt if this can be done, unless one of the developers first writes a documentation draft. (Maybe Valerye Bostan, who was given the credit for Customise?) Menu entries can be assigned to toolbars, but there is (currently) no way to assign an icon to it. Proper context should be checked for to allow, or not, some menu or toolbar assignments. For example, what's the benefit of allowing to assign New Filter to the main toolbar if it will do
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hi Mary, In the message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] which was apparently written on Saturday, May 28, 2005, 5:39:28 PM. I believe you wrote: MB I'm wholly convinced! The true art of customisation is letting your program be used by a user in exactly the way that suits them, wether thats auto preview, or not to auto preview, wether thats filters, groups, or not, many things involved in cusomisation but, considering I recently completely uninstalled thebat, and it doesnt seem to even have a helpfile, this would be exceedingly daunting to anyone who hasnt dabbled or got a friend to ask. MB I hope the developers, as they read your message, will be convinced, MB also. :) Me to -- Best regards, Liz (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Website: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
On Saturday, May 28, 2005 at 10:19:33 AM [GMT -0500], Miguel Urech wrote: Themes is another one. In my opinion, there are too many themes available and, on the contrary, only one set of icons is offered as default and no easy or evident way is offered to use alternative icons. I think the TB should include a few alternative sets and a very easy way to select/change them from inside TB. Also, selecting different sizes for toolbar and menu icons should easily be possible, also from inside TB. Easy switching for toolbar icon size from small to large would be nice. The rest would be dressing and I agree with Thomas to make the alternative icons available as separate downloads, though easily installed. Would you consider that you are customising your TB when you are selecting font types for folder tree, message list, editor, etc.? I do, and I think that _all_ possible font selections should clearly be offered in a single place. I do have memories of searching for where to change the folder list fonts. I've since mastered their locations. However, one central location for interface fonts would go a long way in the ease of customising. It is possible and easy to remove entries (options) from menus and toolbars. I have done this with most context menus to 'reduce' them to the options I use most frequently. However, there is no easy way to change the order of entries in menus and toolbars. Agreed. If going in one direction, then finish it. This list of Available options in the left window of Customise is anything but intuitive. Some names seem quite weird and options are many times difficult to find and/or understand what they mean and do. I think the list of Available Items, similarly to Current Items, should be named to reflect the name of the menus the user sees (Message, Specials, Folder, Account, etc., etc.) and each of these menus include the corresponding expandable submenus. I think this would be much more intuitive for most users. Agreed!! Barring the absence of icons to be used for additions to the toolbars, actually finding the commands in that left window can be very tedious for the reasons you stated. Menu entries can be assigned to tolbars, but there is (currently) no way to assign an icon to it. This one is bad. It all seems that more incomplete with this issue. Proper context should be checked for to allow, or not, some menu or toolbar assignments. For example, what's the benefit of allowing to assign New Filter to the main toolbar if it will do nothing unless Sorting Office is open? And if S.O. must be open, what's the use of having this option in main toolbar? Seems like a bug than something merely lacking, doesn't it? I see a great work here still deeply in progress with regards to the new interface. There's a lot more to do than cosmetic fixes to it. -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat! v3.5.21 System Specs: http://www.landscreek.net/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Alone: In bad company. Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
sábado, 28 may 2005 at 17:19, it seems you wrote:
However, there is no easy way to
change the order of entries in menus and toolbars.
O_o Do you tried with the up/down arrow buttons in the Customize
window ?
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Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello Liz! On Saturday, May 28, 2005, 12:36 PM, you wrote: MB I'm wholly convinced! The true art of customisation is letting your program be used by a user in exactly the way that suits them, wether thats auto preview, or not to auto preview, wether thats filters, groups, or not, many things involved in cusomisation but, considering I recently completely uninstalled thebat, and it doesnt seem to even have a helpfile, this would be exceedingly daunting to anyone who hasnt dabbled or got a friend to ask. Do you mean that the 3.0 Help is missing from your installation? (Limited as it is, it does have some uses, such as the Macros list.) When I got my first Bat, v. 1.61, I turned up naive and frustrated on TBUDL--okay, given, I didn't even know how to use windows, drag-and-drop, Desktop Properties etc. in my old OS, Win95--I made a statement to the effect, The Help File is no help--tells me what but now how. And someone--can't remember who--replied, TBUDL is your help file. In general, so it remains today. But the developers are moving along with IMAP and renovating submission forms, which is a clue to me that they are actively seeking more business clients and more corporate clients. I think these corporate clients will want more than just TBUDL as a source of documentation and help. :) And they will expect the working features that MAU has categorized so effectively earlier in this thread to work to their satisfaction. Still, it's the beta series! And where there's on-going work and on-going communication, there's hope. My watchword remains, Keep the Faith! :soapbox: MB I hope the developers, as they read your message, will be convinced, MB also. :) Me to Me double-too! :bat2angel: -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.21 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello Allie! On Saturday, May 28, 2005, 1:02 PM, you wrote: Themes is another one. In my opinion, there are too many themes available and, on the contrary, only one set of icons is offered as default and no easy or evident way is offered to use alternative icons. I think the TB should include a few alternative sets and a very easy way to select/change them from inside TB. Also, selecting different sizes for toolbar and menu icons should easily be possible, also from inside TB. Easy switching for toolbar icon size from small to large would be nice. The rest would be dressing ... Depends on how your eyes are functioning whether the rest is dressing or not. :) If the pale blue icons and other transparent pastels are hard to see--as they are for me--then a change to a color with more contrast against the background is more than just dressing. It's vital functionality, for me. ... and I agree with Thomas to make the alternative icons available as separate downloads, though easily installed. I don't mind that part, so long as something besides the default set is offered. Miguel was very generous with his yellowish icons set, and it suits me well. The ideal situation is for RitLabs to offer similar choices. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.21 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hi Mary, In the message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] which was apparently written on Saturday, May 28, 2005, 7:20:04 PM. I believe you wrote: MB Do you mean that the 3.0 Help is missing from your installation? MB (Limited as it is, it does have some uses, such as the Macros list.) Correct, and this was the released 3.5 msi for install.. kinda worrying really. MB And someone--can't remember who--replied, TBUDL is your help file. Maybe, Im not on that list, but, then on the other hand, I wouldnt know where to find it. If its obvious Ive been blind (woudlnt be a first) but means I wont be the only one who doesnt know -- Best regards, Liz (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Website: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello Liz! On Saturday, May 28, 2005, 1:51 PM, you wrote: MB Do you mean that the 3.0 Help is missing from your installation? MB (Limited as it is, it does have some uses, such as the Macros list.) Correct, and this was the released 3.5 msi for install.. kinda worrying really. Oh, I do seem to remember that. It was part of the early troubles that were fixed in v. 3.5.0.10 or maybe 3.5.0.11. It's still back in the latest msi offerings (3.17, 3.18). MB And someone--can't remember who--replied, TBUDL is your help file. Maybe, Im not on that list, but, then on the other hand, I wouldnt know where to find it. If its obvious Ive been blind (woudlnt be a first) but means I wont be the only one who doesnt know It's one of the family of TB! lists, which includes TBBETA. TBBETA is for beta users, TBUDL is The Bat! Users Discussion List. It's for discussion of released versions. You can read about these lists (including TBTECH and also TBOT--which is not in this family, it's The Bat! Off Topic, with a different approach) here: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html It's a beautiful website. There are buttons for easy subscribing and clear explanations of everything addressed. P.S. The above URL is at the bottom of all TBBETA posts. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.21 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hi Mary, In the message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] which was apparently written on Saturday, May 28, 2005, 8:09:02 PM. I believe you wrote: MB It's one of the family of TB! lists, which includes TBBETA. TBBETA is MB for beta users, TBUDL is The Bat! Users Discussion List. It's for MB discussion of released versions. You can read about these lists MB (including TBTECH and also TBOT--which is not in this family, it's The MB Bat! Off Topic, with a different approach) here: MB http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html MB It's a beautiful website. There are buttons for easy subscribing and MB clear explanations of everything addressed. MB P.S. The above URL is at the bottom of all TBBETA posts. Dont get me wrong, I dont disagree, but as its not a ritlabs URL, I wonder how many TB users would see it? -- Best regards, Liz (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Website: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello Liz! On Saturday, May 28, 2005, 2:18 PM, you wrote: MB http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html MB It's a beautiful website. There are buttons for easy subscribing and MB clear explanations of everything addressed. MB P.S. The above URL is at the bottom of all TBBETA posts. Dont get me wrong, I dont disagree, but as its not a ritlabs URL, I wonder how many TB users would see it? Well, I learned about the lists word of mouth (or word-of-e-mail), the same way I learned about The Bat! I seem to remember something in my Welcome letter from RitLabs that mentioned TBUDL, also, or something that used to be on its website, but I couldn't find it just now. However, once you got to TBBETA, your welcome letter from the TBBETA Moderators did tell you about all the lists, as well as a bunch of other useful stuff. Most people apparently don't read that letter :( , or the monthly Mission Statement. :woe: Their loss. Lots of good stuff in it, also. I wish RitLabs would put the TB! Lists info and the Silverstones URL back on the front page of its website!! :pointmade: -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.21 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hi Mary, In the message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] which was apparently written on Saturday, May 28, 2005, 8:26:43 PM. I believe you wrote: MB Most people apparently don't read that letter :( , or the monthly MB Mission Statement. :woe: Their loss. Lots of good stuff in it, also. Monthly mission statement?? They email us each month? I dont get that. MB I wish RitLabs would put the TB! Lists info and the Silverstones URL MB back on the front page of its website!! :pointmade: Yup, advertising where to find people who'll help can only be a good thing. -- Best regards, Liz (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Website: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello Liz! On Saturday, May 28, 2005, 2:38 PM, you wrote: MB Most people apparently don't read that letter :( , or the monthly MB Mission Statement. :woe: Their loss. Lots of good stuff in it, also. Monthly mission statement?? They email us each month? I dont get that. I think it's that the Moderators know that most people throw away their Welcome letter. So it has some brief reminders, some contact addresses, and a link to the full set of list rules. Instructions on utilizing Roguemoticons are in it also. Comes out around the first of the month, so you should be getting one sometime next week. MB I wish RitLabs would put the TB! Lists info and the Silverstones URL MB back on the front page of its website!! :pointmade: Yup, advertising where to find people who'll help can only be a good thing. TBBETA is the official beta testing site of RitLabs--as two of the moderators pointed out to me at length, when I got confused and told someone on-list that it isn't. So the Silverstones URL sort of is a RitLabs URL, and it would help everyone if the ones writing the RitLabs website would mention TBUDL on the home page in connection with The Bat! and put the Silverstones link. Just my own humble opinion. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.21 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hi Mary, In the message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] which was apparently written on Saturday, May 28, 2005, 8:51:20 PM. I believe you wrote: MB I think it's that the Moderators know that most people throw away MB their Welcome letter. So it has some brief reminders, some contact MB addresses, and a link to the full set of list rules. K, but having been using TB for a couple of years +, I deffinately have never recieved this monthly mail. I should look into it I suppose -- Best regards, Liz (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Website: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello Liz! On Saturday, May 28, 2005, 3:06 PM, you wrote: MB I think it's that the Moderators know that most people throw away MB their Welcome letter. So it has some brief reminders, some contact MB addresses, and a link to the full set of list rules. K, but having been using TB for a couple of years +, I deffinately have never recieved this monthly mail. I should look into it I suppose Have you been subscribed to TBBETA for two years? This monthly mail is not from RitLabs, but from the TBBETA Moderators. I'll send you my copy of the May letter by PM, if you would like to see it. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.21 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello Mary, ... in addition to the two general issues--IMAP and submission forms--that Stefan Tanurkov said would be the focus for changes in the next beta series. I agree that IMAP is an important issue, not so sure about submission forms. Anyway, as I use neither of them, I doubt I'll participate in the testing of next series. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.20 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello Thomas, I would prefer them to be downloadable from a centralised URL,... I am not suggesting how to implement it, I am just suggesting that the change should be easy to do and done (selected) from inside TB. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.20 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello NetVicious, However, there is no easy way to change thec order of entries in menus and toolbars. O_o Do you tried with the up/down arrow buttons in the Customize window ? Ops! You are certainly right! I guess I never paid any attention to those two arrows :-( -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.20 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello Allie, It is possible and easy to remove entries (options) from menus and toolbars. I have done this with most context menus to 'reduce' them to the options I use most frequently. However, there is no easy way to change the order of entries in menus and toolbars. Agreed. If going in one direction, then finish it. I must stand corrected by NetVicious. There is a way to change the order (move up or down) of entries in menus. Proper context should be checked for to allow, or not, some menu or toolbar assignments. For example, what's the benefit of allowing to assign New Filter to the main toolbar if it will do nothing unless Sorting Office is open? And if S.O. must be open, what's the use of having this option in main toolbar? Seems like a bug than something merely lacking, doesn't it? It would be a bug if some checks were done and did not work correctly, but don't think any checks are done ATM. I think that Available items should be greyed out or not displayed at all if not appropriate for the menu/toolbar being customised. I think that would be the best approach. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.20 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello NetVicious, So much beer ? ;-) No, not enough ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.20 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some more thoughts on Customisation
Hello MAU, On Sat, 28 May 2005 23:16:02 +0200 GMT (29/05/2005, 04:16 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: I would prefer them to be downloadable from a centralised URL,... M I am not suggesting how to implement it, I am just suggesting that the M change should be easy to do and done (selected) from inside TB. I misunderstood you then. And I agree with you, once they are downloaded and in the correct directory, they should be selectable from within TB rather than having to move/rename files while TB is closed. -- Cheers, Thomas. I prayed for patience once... And I'm STILL waiting! Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.20 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
