Re: TB! for Linux
On Thursday, March 31, 2011, 19:50:41, Douglas Hinds wrote: But assuming that Evolution can't import a TB! backup file, I doubt there's any program other than TB which supports that format. I want to ask about the possibility of exporting my TB! message base to a form Evolution could import. Just export to UNIX Mailbox - nearly every client is compatible with that. -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 5.0.4 RC/4 on Windows 7 6.1.7601.Service Pack 1 ] If God had intended us to go around naked, He would have made us that way. -- Olum's Observation (and see Martha's Maxim and Farrow's Finding) Current beta is 5.0.0.153 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! for Linux
Hello Douglas, Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 6:39:18 PM, you wrote: But I am also a Linux user and strongly suggest that RIT Labs make an effort to port The Bat! to this superior Operating System If there is a superior OS, then there should albo be a minor, lesser, inferior OSes. http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7qpUzIZ2LzPckYtB2wAa-IkT6OS0iErLhb1uf7zF9nFtA3-tut=1 Maybe a superior nation also exists? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kylix_(software) I've opened this link and saw: Kylix was a compiler and integrated development environment formerly sold by Borland but later discontinued. -- Best regards, Maximmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 5.0.0.153 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! for Linux
Hello Douglas, Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 6:39:18 PM, you wrote: to this superior Operating System, http://cgi.ebay.ie/Smart-Parking-Only-Sign-lesser-cars-clamped-/110639492706 Sorry, could not resist. -- Best regards, Maximmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 5.0.0.153 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! for Linux
Title: Re: TB! for Linux Hello Simon, Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 11:03:25 AM, you wrote: My personal recommendation would be for Ritlabs to stay away from Linux as the cost will far out way the benefits. It's hard to compete with free, especially when the free implementation is very good. I would have the agree with the above comment. I too use Linux as part of the my practice. The build in e-mail client is more than enough for work in the Linux space. I think resources, time and energy should be focused on making The Bat work extremely well in the Windows environment. As a side note, I've notice some of my software vendors have made similiar decisions to not produce software in Mac or Linux. While some may disagree with such a move, on the hand, limited dollars have to be balanced against best possible returns for customers and the firm. Looking forward to the next Release Candidate. Jerry -- Ethan J Mings President, The Desk Consulting Group Inc Oakville, Ontario Canada. L6L 3B7 Write to me at:qualityoff...@consultant.com Skype me at : ejmings Current beta is 5.0.0.153 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! for Linux
Hello Simon, Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 6:03:25 PM, you wrote: As you can see from my signature I am a Linux freak as well. I'd just like to add a couple of comments: I like Linux too, and we use it on our server, but Delphi compiler for Linux (Kylix) is no longer in development and we currently see no viable options how can we make The Bat! for Linux, due to lack of proper tools at our disposal. Rewriting The Bat! on a cross-platform language like .NET or C++ would have probably solved the issue, but this is not that easy. The Bat! currently has about 1.5 million lines of code, or 40MB, of which about 8MB are third-party libraries and 32MB is the text written by Ritlabs. Those who does or did computer programming knows that to write 1.5 million lines of code is not that easy, and besides writing there is planning and debugging, and the debugging usually takes more time than the writing. -- Best regards, Maximmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 5.0.0.153 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! for Linux
Hello Ethan, I have used Mac myself and have found out that it is an OS for the users who value simpicity over power, so such a powerful program like The Bat! simply doesn't match MacOS's main idea of a simple to understand and easy to use OS. -- Best regards, Maximmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 5.0.0.153 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! for Linux
Hello Maxim, Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 3:33:54 PM, you wrote: I have used Mac myself and have found out that it is an OS for the users who value simpicity over power, so such a powerful program like The Bat! simply doesn't match MacOS's main idea of a simple to understand and easy to use OS. I work a fair number of Mac users. I would agree with your experience. Personally, I amaze at the amount of repair required to keep a Mac up and running. I'm a fan of using Windows and also learning about Linux. When it comes Windows, The Bat remains my e-mail client of choice. Jerry -- Ethan J Mings President, The Desk Consulting Group Inc Oakville, Ontario Canada. L6L 3B7 Write to me at: qualityoff...@consultant.com Skype me at : ejmings Current beta is 5.0.0.153 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! for Linux
Ethan, Hello Maxim, Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 3:33:54 PM, you wrote: I have used Mac myself and have found out that it is an OS for the users who value simpicity over power, so such a powerful program like The Bat! simply doesn't match MacOS's main idea of a simple to understand and easy to use OS. I work a fair number of Mac users. I would agree with your experience. Personally, I amaze at the amount of repair required to keep a Mac up and running. Now that is a surprise. I persisted in using Windows in an otherwise Mac household for a number of years. I was finally won over by the trouble free beauty and elegance by which things are done in the Mac world. But I remain a Windows programmer by trade, so I must run Windows. So I got VMWare and installed Win 7 in a Mac window. MS Windows has never been so stable and well behaved. I'm a fan of using Windows and also learning about Linux. When it comes Windows, The Bat remains my e-mail client of choice. With VMWare, I have left nothing behind. Mac Mail is a fine free email program, but it lacks many niceties required by those who must have a high performance email client. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.0.153 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! for Linux
On Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 17:39:18, Douglas Hinds wrote: But I am also a Linux user and strongly suggest that RIT Labs make an effort to port The Bat! to this superior Operating System, As an advanced user of both Windows and Linux, I can only disagree with Linux being superior - while it has it place, and it does some things better than Windows, it's still far from being a good end-user experience on a desktop, both from UI and management points of view. so I can use it with with my OpenOffice, Opera, Chrome, Firefox, Seamonkey, Dr. Web and Nero versions for Linux (and other Unix-like Operating Systems). OpenOffice.org, Opera, Chrome, Firefox and the Mozilla Suite were designed from ground up to be portable. I don't know what Dr. Web is, and the last time I looked at Nero, it was using an outdated GUI library on Linux. As I understand it, porting Delphi to Linux is also possible and Windows will continue to lose ground as more computer users become aware of the advantages that Open Code Community Based OS's have to offer. While there used to be Kylix, it was never really stable, and while backend code could be used with not too many changes, the GUI would have to be redone completely, which is a daunting task for a program like The Bat (since it uses a lot of custom controls, some of which are 3rd party; previously mentioned Opera had it's GUI code rewritten from scratch when it started with serious cross-platform support in version 7 - this is just not feasible for a small company like RitLabs). -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 5.0.0.153 RC3 on Windows 7 6.1.7601.Service Pack 1 ] It ain't necessarily so. -- Gershwin's Law Current beta is 5.0.0.153 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! for Linux
Jernej, On Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 17:39:18, Douglas Hinds wrote: But I am also a Linux user and strongly suggest that RIT Labs make an effort to port The Bat! to this superior Operating System, As an advanced user of both Windows and Linux, I can only disagree with Linux being superior - while it has it place, and it does some things better than Windows, it's still far from being a good end-user experience on a desktop, both from UI and management points of view. Agreed. Linux is essentially a programmer's OS. Or a platform that IT guys can lock down so that servers will run indefinitely (almost). But from the average user's standpoint (who have very little understanding of what goes on in the bowels of an OS), Linux is a wild alien landscape. so I can use it with with my OpenOffice, Opera, Chrome, Firefox, Seamonkey, Dr. Web and Nero versions for Linux (and other Unix-like Operating Systems). OpenOffice.org, Opera, Chrome, Firefox and the Mozilla Suite were designed from ground up to be portable. I don't know what Dr. Web is, and the last time I looked at Nero, it was using an outdated GUI library on Linux. As I understand it, porting Delphi to Linux is also possible and Windows will continue to lose ground as more computer users become aware of the advantages that Open Code Community Based OS's have to offer. You are a Linux evangelist. And you probably wholeheartedly believe this. Nevertheless, the groundswell has been so long coming that I fear it got lost in the forest. And my sister who is an accountant simply refuses to use anything that doesn't come with a MS imprimatur. Nothing else can be trusted. So says she. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.0.153 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
