Re: Test x-rogue
Hello Raymund, On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:25:16 +0200 GMT (08/07/2005, 02:25 +0700 GMT), Raymund Tump wrote: RT But a :rogue: is nothing more than a smiley for TB! and so it can't RT choose to display it or not. Smileys are displayed in the message body. Rogues are displayed in the grey header. Yes, there is a difference. -- Cheers, Thomas. Hilf einem Freund in der Not und er wird sich an dich erinnern, wenn er wieder in Not ist. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.51 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
Hello Peter! On Thursday, July 07, 2005, 12:25 AM, you wrote: - TB *knows* where the sig begins! How does it know? From the sig delimiter mark? (Sorry, I'm not a programmer, so I'm just floundering around here--no pun intended.) Therefore it would be quite easy to use/display the rogues images ONLY in the header pane or in the sig, not in the body. And in the header pane it should only be displayed, if the expression appears in the kludges, *never* if it appears in the message body or the sig (which actually is part of the body). This is what it should do. I agree. I think this logic would be quite easy to implement. I do hope so! Then we could look forward to this unwanted behavior's being eliminated. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
Hello Peter Hampf everyone else, on 06-Jul-2005 at 23:26 you (Peter Hampf) wrote: BM I did see the following line in your header: BM X-Rogue: :stuartc: By typing the line above (the second one) in your message TEXT your message got displayed with Stuarts picture! That's REALLY not what should happen. Not here. Maybe because I have disabled the smileys? The first msg in the thread shows Stuarts picture, the second (Bills message) none. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
Hello Peter Hampf everyone else, on 07-Jul-2005 at 19:28 you (Peter Hampf) wrote: ASK Not here. Maybe because I have disabled the smileys? Exactly. Enable smileys Why would I do that? :-) and you will see the wrong sender photo. Not the best implementation if you ask me. I'd expect to see the image where the code calling it is, and nowhere else. Crap. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Eleven Bars (5:45) by Deep Space Network from the 1996 album 'Amberdelic Space [CD1]' Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
Hello Peter Hampf everyone else, on 07-Jul-2005 at 07:25 you (Peter Hampf) wrote: Therefore it would be quite easy to use/display the rogues images ONLY in the header pane or in the sig, not in the body. And in the header pane it should only be displayed, if the expression appears in the kludges, *never* if it appears in the message body or the sig (which actually is part of the body). I think this logic would be quite easy to implement. I support this wish. Even though smileys are deactivated here. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Dirt (7:20) by Key Processor from the 1996 album 'Amberdelic Space [CD1]' Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
Hello Peter! On Thursday, July 07, 2005, 12:28 PM, you wrote: ASK Not here. Maybe because I have disabled the smileys? Exactly. Enable smileys and you will see the wrong sender photo. Unchecking Smileys in the right-click context menu alone won't do it; Plain Text View also has to be chosen. (I've just run a couple of tests, using the message in question, mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) I didn't go so far as to reset my settings in Options/Preferences, so I don't know whether that would make the difference. Too lazy to bother, since I greatly enjoy seeing Smileys. :) BTW, today is Leif's birthday! :happybirthday: , Leif!! Perhaps we could get him to amend the code as a birthday present to all of us Roguemoticon and Smiley aficionados! Or, at least, to take a look at whether it's as simple to fix as you've said, Peter, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
On Thu 7-Jul-05 9:40am -0500, Leif Gregory wrote: Wednesday, July 6, 2005, 5:39:05 PM, Mary Bull wrote: I was in PM with Leif (on whose server PCWize runs) over the weekend. It's been going down every few days. I'm going to CC this to him, in case he hasn't noticed yet that it's out again. G. That's it. I need to pull that box down and rebuild it from scratch. It's just so dang unstable right now (at least the webserver is.) Could you please post a note when the zip file is available? Good luck with the rebuild! -- Best regards, Bill The Bat 3.51 Pro BayesIt! 0.8.1 X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
Hello Bill! On Thursday, July 07, 2005, 1:04 PM, you wrote: I was in PM with Leif (on whose server PCWize runs) over the weekend. It's been going down every few days. ... G. That's it. I need to pull that box down and rebuild it from scratch. It's just so dang unstable right now (at least the webserver is.) Could you please post a note when the zip file is available? Good luck with the rebuild! It's up and running, at present. I downloaded Ben Allen's latest pic a couple of hours ago: Download the latest http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/smileys/rogues.zip Here is who joined or updated: Ben Allen I signed up to be notified by e-mail when there are changes in the .zip, at the time I made a Roguemoticon account and submitted my own photo there. So that's why I got the above quoted info. This link will only get you a download dialog box. To put your own picture up, go to: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
On Thu 7-Jul-05 1:12pm -0500, Mary Bull wrote: It's up and running, at present. I downloaded Ben Allen's latest pic a couple of hours ago: Thanks Mary, I've just downloaded and installed it during lunch - I see you! -- Best regards, Bill The Bat 3.51 Pro BayesIt! 0.8.1 X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
Hello Bill! On Thursday, July 07, 2005, 2:13 PM, you wrote: It's up and running, at present. I downloaded Ben Allen's latest pic a couple of hours ago: Thanks Mary, I've just downloaded and installed it during lunch - I see you! Looking forward to seeing you, when you have the time to put your own Rogue pic up! :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
Hi! - the [:]stuartc[:] expression is part of the ROGUES file which is intended to display the *senders* foto. - TB *knows* where the sig begins! But a :rogue: is nothing more than a smiley for TB! and so it can't choose to display it or not. -- Regards, Raymund Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
Hello 9Val! On Thursday, July 07, 2005, 2:40 PM, you wrote: Perhaps it is time to disable locating smileys in the message body, as you remember, it was migration step from initial Leif's idea to the X-Rogue header field 9Val, am I misunderstanding you? Do you mean Roguemoticons from the Rogues folder and Rogues.msl file? If so, I do agree. Or do you mean all Smileys, from the Default and the PCW Images folders and their .msl files? That would be the equivalent of abandoning the Smiley capability and it would make me very sad. :( -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
Hello Mary, Perhaps it is time to disable locating smileys in the message body, as you remember, it was migration step from initial Leif's idea to the X-Rogue header field MB 9Val, am I misunderstanding you? MB Do you mean Roguemoticons from the Rogues folder and Rogues.msl file? Exactly, smileys will remain in their places :) -- 9Val Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
Hello Mary Bull everyone else, on 07-Jul-2005 at 19:51 you (Mary Bull) wrote: Unchecking Smileys in the right-click context menu alone won't do it; Plain Text View also has to be chosen. It does not disappear immediately when turning smileys off, but switching to a different message then back again makes the wrong image disappear here. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: What Might Have Been (4:01) by As One from the 1996 album 'Amberdelic Space [CD1]' Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
Hello 9Val! On Thursday, July 07, 2005, 3:11 PM, you wrote: Perhaps it is time to disable locating smileys in the message body, as you remember, it was migration step from initial Leif's idea to the X-Rogue header field MB 9Val, am I misunderstanding you? MB Do you mean Roguemoticons from the Rogues folder and Rogues.msl file? Exactly, smileys will remain in their places :) Thanks a mil! :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
Hello Leif! On Thursday, July 07, 2005, 3:27 PM, you wrote: BTW, today is Leif's birthday! :happybirthday: , Leif!! Perhaps we could get him to amend the code as a birthday present to all of us Roguemoticon and Smiley aficionados! Don't look at me.. I didn't write the code in TB as to where they display. Sorry. 9Val is already responding about it. I was pretty sure that Peter Hampf misunderstood how things work, but I wanted to give his ideas the benefit of the doubt, in case I was myself wrong about it. Thanks for writing, and sorry to bring up work which isn't even in your power to do, and, in addition, to have brought it up in connection with your birthday! :( -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
Hello Peter! On Thursday, July 07, 2005, 3:48 PM, you wrote: 9 Perhaps it is time to disable locating smileys in the message body, If you mean roguemoticons, I totally agree with you. The only place for this kind of smileys should be the header pane. (i.e. sender photo) 9Val does mean the roguemoticons. I've just sent him a post that I agree, also. I think we can look forward to a change in how TB! handles this (no more displays of Roguemoticons in message body, including sig; Rogue pics appearing only in the headers). In a beta coming soon to our neighborhood! Good for you, Peter, for bringing the issue into focus again! :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
Hello Peter! On Thursday, July 07, 2005, 4:09 PM, you wrote: MB I think we can look forward to a change in how TB! handles this (no MB more displays of Roguemoticons in message body, including sig; Rogue MB pics appearing only in the headers). Good news! Yes!! So forget about all the previous messages - I guess things are clear now :-) Okay. I did read them. I think language only was getting in our way--I am not too good at finding sentence structures that will convey exactly what I mean! But we're on the same page! Good job, Peter!! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
Hello Stuart! On Wednesday, July 06, 2005, 2:29 PM, you wrote: X-rogue test, beware. I C U ! Looking good! :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
On Wed 6-Jul-05 2:29pm -0500, Stuart Cuddy wrote: X-rogue test, beware. What is with the x-rogue stuff? I checked the help file for both rogue and x-rogue - there is no such thing. I did see the following line in your header: X-Rogue: :stuartc: -- Best regards, Bill The Bat 3.51 Pro BayesIt! 0.8.1 X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
Hello Peter! On Wednesday, July 06, 2005, 4:26 PM, you wrote: BM I did see the following line in your header: BM X-Rogue: :stuartc: Hey! You managed to find a bug in TBs header handling! By typing the line above (the second one) in your message TEXT your message got displayed with Stuarts picture! That's REALLY not what should happen. This is known behavior. And all it took to cause it was the :stuartc: part of the line. It comes of the capability to call the image by typing the handle in your sig (the sig being part of the body text). If the person typing the handle does not already have a Roguemoticon image and handle in the directory The Bat!\Images, that is what typing someone else's handle will cause. You will notice that in *this* message, the line does not over-ride my picture in the headers. (As it did not in your message to which I am replying, Peter.) I don't know whether Leif and 9Val (the developers of this code) have ever considered writing some lines to prevent this. Got a feeling it would be most difficult, if not impossible, to do that, unless they took out the code that makes the capability to call one's picture from one's sig. :( -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
On Wed 6-Jul-05 3:52pm -0500, Stuart Cuddy wrote: From our Monthly reminder letter. It lets you see a picture of the person who sent the e-mail as viewed in the attachment. OK, I have noticed that the author of the monthly reminder has his picture in the right hand corner of the mail - but no X-Rogue header (he is using the :name: tag - which I though generated the X-Rogue header). However, unlike in the monthly mail, your picture is not visible to me. -- Best regards, Bill The Bat 3.51 Pro BayesIt! 0.8.1 X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
Hello Bill! On Wednesday, July 06, 2005, 5:18 PM, you wrote: From our Monthly reminder letter. It lets you see a picture of the person who sent the e-mail as viewed in the attachment. OK, I have noticed that the author of the monthly reminder has his picture in the right hand corner of the mail - but no X-Rogue header (he is using the :name: tag - which I though generated the X-Rogue header). It can be generated in two ways, as you did read. However, unlike in the monthly mail, your picture is not visible to me. Two questions: 1) Is my picture visible to you? 2) Have you downloaded the Rogues.zip from PCWize? Actually, three questions: If you've never downloaded the Rogues.zip, did you by chance ever put the picture of the author of the monthly reminder in your Address Book for him, or put his v-card in your address book? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
On Wed 6-Jul-05 5:35pm -0500, Mary Bull wrote: Two questions: 1) Is my picture visible to you? No. 2) Have you downloaded the Rogues.zip from PCWize? Never. Actually, three questions: If you've never downloaded the Rogues.zip, did you by chance ever put the picture of the author of the monthly reminder in your Address Book for him, or put his v-card in your address book? At a matter of fact his picture is in my address book - there once was a rogue gallary (or some such name) a while back. I will try to remember to look for that zip file - the site: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat is currently unavailable. -- Best regards, Bill The Bat 3.51 Pro BayesIt! 0.8.1 X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test x-rogue
Hello Bill! On Wednesday, July 06, 2005, 6:17 PM, you wrote: ...did you by chance ever put the picture of the author of the monthly reminder in your Address Book for him, or put his v-card in your address book? At a matter of fact his picture is in my address book - there once was a rogue gallary (or some such name) a while back. Okay. That's why you see him. :) I will try to remember to look for that zip file - the site: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat is currently unavailable. I was in PM with Leif (on whose server PCWize runs) over the weekend. It's been going down every few days. I'm going to CC this to him, in case he hasn't noticed yet that it's out again. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
