Re: Voyager - I'm crying Uncle.
Hallo Nick, On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:09:42 -0600GMT (5-12-2005, 18:09 +0100, where I live), you wrote: ND> When trying to restore a backup from my "main" TB! program Voyager ND> insists on writing the directories using the original path. Can't confirm that. Not the first time I restored a backup and not just now. Created a new instance of Voyager (this time on my local drive and not my USB drive) and restored my weekly backup. Everything went ok. ND> So in my original mail folder I end up with all the normal files ND> along with encrypted folders along side. If I make the original ND> path unreadable all I get is errors in Voyager telling me it can't ND> write to it - which it shouldn't be doing anyway! So you weren't using OTFE, that's a difference with me. Did you have all of your accounts stored in the same mail directory or were they in different locations? ND> I have not been able to get any common filters copied over to it. Can't comment on that as I don't use those. ND> If I just copy the folders from my main program over to the USB drive ND> and try to point Voyager to use that as the home for a new account it ND> doesn't recognize any of the content in those folders and just creates ND> a new empty account. I guess that could be because of the unencrypted format of your current accounts, because that's what I did for test purposes just now. You should realize though that Voyager needs the account directory to be stored in a subdirectory MAIL of the programdir. I tried it and got the message that a message base for Secure Bat! was encountered in the MAIL directory nd that it had a different encryption key (not true, same key) and subsequenty it was being opened just fine. ND> On some fresh installs I would end up with a program that wouldn't ND> allow any additions to filters. Any changes I made were lost between ND> sessions. What version did you use? All of my tests were run with the first voyager.zip extracted and the latest beta put on top of it. While running these tests I finally came up with two instances of Voyager installed on the same HDD, this didn't cause me any troubles. What I also tried was to run two instances of Voyager (from different locations) but that didn't work. Running Voyager and TB at the same time causes me no problem whatsoever. -- Groetjes, Roelof It is easier to catch flies with honey than with vinegar. The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpiXqqS3LhEM.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.63.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Voyager - I'm crying Uncle.
Reply to message sent 12/05/2005, @ 19:55:24 (12:55 PM Locally) ~~~ Hello Roelof, ND>> When trying to restore a backup from my "main" TB! program Voyager ND>> insists on writing the directories using the original path. > Can't confirm that. Yeah, I keep seeing the messages where people say that the restore to TBV went fine. Believe me I'm envious! > So you weren't using OTFE, that's a difference with me. To be honest, I haven't a clue how to convert to OTFE. I just received my Pro registration and loaded up the latest .msi from Ritlabs over my home version. There was no option about converting that I've seen and no option in the menus. But yeah, the files/folders I backed up were not encrypted. > Did you have all of your accounts stored in the same mail directory > or were they in different locations? All the accounts are under one folder called mail. ND>> I have not been able to get any common filters copied over to it. > Can't comment on that as I don't use those. Unfortunately, that all I use. Hundreds of them! ND>> If I just copy the folders from my main program over to the USB drive ND>> and try to point Voyager to use that as the home for a new account it ND>> doesn't recognize any of the content in those folders and just creates ND>> a new empty account. > I guess that could be because of the unencrypted format of your current > accounts, Probably. So... what's the trick to converting to OTFE in Pro? > What version did you use? All of my tests were run with the first > voyager.zip extracted and the latest beta put on top of it. That's exactly how I've been testing for the last twenty tries or so. Maybe it's the encypted/non-encrypted thing that creating problems. I'd love to convert my Pro over and give it another shot. -- Fly for now, òžó Nick Danger [MUA: The Bat! v3.62.14] [OS: Windows XP 5 1] Current beta is 3.63.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Voyager - I'm crying Uncle.
Hi Nick, On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, at 13:10:28 [GMT -0600] (which was 20:10 where I live) you wrote about: 'Voyager - I'm crying Uncle.' >> Did you have all of your accounts stored in the same mail directory >> or were they in different locations? > All the accounts are under one folder called mail. What is your setting for Home Directory in Account Properties/Files & Directories. Did you speficy a complete path or are you using . I have for each account and just a Mail Directory set in Preferences/System. I bet you have a hard coded path in your Account properties. Get rid of that and let everything be relative to the General Mail Directory, and it works. -- Robert van der Hulst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) on Windows XP.5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Voyager - I'm crying Uncle.
Reply to message sent 12/05/2005, @ 20:44:25 (1:44 PM Locally) ~~~ Hello Robert, > What is your setting for Home Directory in Account Properties/Files & > Directories. Did you speficy a complete path or are you using . > I have for each account and just a Mail Directory set in > Preferences/System. A complete path. Because. and this is why I want Voyager so badly, I have the mail directories on a USB drive - not below the folder with all of TB's executables. > I bet you have a hard coded path in your Account properties. Get rid of > that and let everything be relative to the General Mail Directory, and it > works. I guess I can try copying all my mail folders to the default position and try that. What's another hour or so after a wasted weekend! Keep your fingers crossed. -- Fly for now, òžó Nick Danger [MUA: The Bat! v3.62.14] [OS: Windows XP 5 1] Current beta is 3.63.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Voyager - I'm crying Uncle.
Hallo Nick, On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:10:28 -0600GMT (5-12-2005, 20:10 +0100, where I live), you wrote: >> I guess that could be because of the unencrypted format of your current >> accounts, ND> Probably. So... what's the trick to converting to OTFE in Pro? Unfortunately converting to OTFE almost is like switched to Voyager. However here it comes. Create an internal back-up with TB, including everything. Now copy your complete message base to a safe location (that's not needed for the transition, but just in case) Export the TB registry settings to a safe location (The full HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat! tree) Uninstall TB Delete your message base (The uninstall shouldn't do that, but just in case it does you already have got your backup) Install TB pro On running it'll ask you whether you want to use OTFE, answer yes and pick a password (that's needed for en/decryption) Next it'll ask whether you want to create a new account or restore from backup, select the backup option and restore everything. Note that this won't restore any spam dictionaries you might have put in your mail directory too or cookie files, but basically this restores and encrypts everything. You've got to close and open TB again before it loads the restored registry settings. When it doesn't work as you want, uninstall TB again. Delete the message base Install TB, but don't run it. Copy your original message base back to its old location Restore TB's old registry settings (just open the exported file) Start TB and everything is back to normal. One note: When you're using a restricted user account in Windows, you can't (un)install TB, so you've got to that that from an admin account. This means that TB's registry settings in the account you're using TB won't be deleted with uninstalling it. (Makes kind of sense) So you've got to delete those settings via regedit. Yes, this means that it's possible to run an encrypted message base in one user account under Windows and plain under an other account. (Yes, I'm doing that, my guest account has a plain message base) -- Groetjes, Roelof Cleanliness is next to "clean-limbed," in the dictionary. The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpw9rILP4qs3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.63.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Voyager - I'm crying Uncle.
Hi Nick, On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, at 13:55:15 [GMT -0600] (which was 20:55 where I live) you wrote about: 'Voyager - I'm crying Uncle.' > Hello Robert, >> What is your setting for Home Directory in Account Properties/Files & >> Directories. Did you speficy a complete path or are you using . >> I have for each account and just a Mail Directory set in >> Preferences/System. > A complete path. Because. and this is why I want Voyager so badly, > I have the mail directories on a USB drive - not below the folder with > all of TB's executables. If you set the root mail directory in TheBat (Preferences/System) to the USB drive, you should be able to use for each Account. -- Robert van der Hulst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) on Windows XP.5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Voyager - I'm crying Uncle.
Reply to message sent 12/05/2005, @ 20:44:25 (1:44 PM Locally) ~~~ Hello Robert, > Get rid of that and let everything be relative to the General Mail > Directory, and it works. Wow, what an adventure that turned out to be! I changed the directory of all my accounts to be defaulted to the normal mail folder. Suddenly TB crashed. Big time. Wouldn't start back up. Rebooted. Still no luck. Ran MSI repair. Nothing. Oh-oh. I had to do a complete uninstall and reinstall. Finally got Pro installed and running but guess what - I could never get my common filters loaded into Pro. I'm guessing there's a real problem associated with common filters and converting to Pro or Voyager. For giggles, since I was already in up to my neck, I added some new common filters to Pro and tried to get Voyager up and running. Well, changing my mail folders back to default did indeed fix the problem of Voyager trying to access stuff that didn't exist and I got all my accounts loaded and intact - but the new common filters I created in Pro didn't make the transfer. So I'm stuck rebuilding hundreds of common filters. After all this, I have these words for Ritlabs about Voyager: They really need to work out how to do a backup and restore from a program that is *not* using the default settings - I can't be the only person that was not using them. They also need to figure out what's happening with common filters. Still, overall I am very happy to have Voyager running - even if I have a lot of filter rebuilding ahead of me. -- Fly for now, òžó Nick Danger [MUA: The Bat! v3.63.07 (BETA)] [OS: Windows XP 5 1] Current beta is 3.63.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
