Re[2]: 3.51, Communication, and the Ethics of Beta Testing
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : JW I doubt this. Had they known it, they would have fixed it. It turns out to be an elusive bug, as some encounter it and others don't. JW Thomas, perhaps it is just a bug. But even if it was just a bug, JW why did RL lose sight of their goal to publish a new release to JW replace the old one that left out BayesIt? It seems likely that JW this bug got introduced along with the 3.51 MSI. So why not drop JW back to 3.5.36 and make another stab at 3.51, this time without JW working on the charset issues? Why did we see 3.51.1, 3.51.2, JW 3.51.3, and 3.51.4 - all playing with this same issue if it is JW just a bug and not an attempt to implement a new degree of unicode JW support? Jay I agree with you. I think that we are not really beta testing but using beta versions. You may think there isn't a big difference but I, personally, make a big difference. Beta testing, for me, means that we are going to test specific, known, changed features and their interaction with the rest of the program to spot implementation problems. Use beta versions for me is like using unsafe, unreliable versions of the program as legitimate, safe, known-bugs free, production versions. IMHO RL should define the beta cycles before releasing betas, tell us what they expect to fulfill from the beta cycle. Definitely they should do a development roadmap. This way we could focus our attention. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias The further away from home you are the harder your pecker Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51, Communication, and the Ethics of Beta Testing
Good day, Natasha. NVP ICAM. You're free to choose whichever level of TB suits your NVP current needs. To NVP help you make this decision, RL posts, on a daily basis, NVP all their fixes at NVP http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/daily.txt NVP and in addition NVP posts the change log along with the available NVP beta downloads at NVP http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/index.php?login=yes. Sorry, but link to daily build is slightly different. Changelog is stored here: www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/daily.txt And build is stored here: www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/daily.rar -- WBR Vladimir 'insider' Prohorov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [email only]|[3MB inbox]|[ICQ #179598229]|[RLU #389152]|[Skype inside_r] The Bat! 3.51 @ Windows 2003 (Build 3790 ) [uptime :: 0d 0h 47m] Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51, Communication, and the Ethics of Beta Testing
Good day beta list members, Monday, July 18, 2005, 9:58:56 AM, you wrote: On 7/18/05, Natasha V Pearce wrote: been taken out of context, but if you feel I've misquoted you and/or quoted them in a misleading or otherwise inappropriate manner, please feel free to send down the fire-breathing trout of vengeance to toast me in the pit of eternal torment. Natasha, believe it or not, this is a very serious topic for me. I do not want to raise any temperatures. I think there is a serious problem that needs to be addressed. Although Max's mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] clearly states that: It fixes charset issues of the latest 3.5.xx I had no idea that instead of this ostensible objective RL was going to use me as an alpha tester for a feature or enhancement that would distort the content of messages that I transmit. That is correct, Natasha. And, if I recall correctly, you also had no idea that you were testing a new feature that was going to change the content of your messages. According to Max, the purpose of that MSI was to fix existing issues in 3.5.xx - which, it seems, did not include the loss of content in messages that you discovered in 3.51. Also, please read what Max said again. He was giving us an MSI that was intended to fix one last problem in 3.5.xx before putting this release up for download. With an introduction like that - and with the BayesIt problem still unresolved - who would imagine that we would be embarking on an entirely new series of beta (pardon, me, alpha) testing of a very risky nature? Certainly I did not expect that, and I was genuinely shocked to discover it. So I have a fundamental concern here. I believe that the July 6 announcement of 3.51 on this forum (see below) was entirely misleading. Based on? See above. Are you sure you are cut out for testing software? Sounds like you might find your niche looking for raised paving slabs and bringing a claim against your local authority, or starting one of those US originated Where there's blame there's a claim rackets. All IMO. -- Best regards, Chrismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.51.4 Windows 2000 5 Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: 3.51, Communication, and the Ethics of Beta Testing
On 7/18/05, Chris Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you sure you are cut out for testing software? Testing software? Yes. Testing a RitLabs email client? I am not sure any longer... for the reasons stated in my initial message on this thread. The simple fact is that I cannot afford to have message content changed. The consequences of this - for me and for others - could be quite severe. Accuracy of transmission is the main feature that initially sold me on TB. Had I known that I would be beta testing (or, still worse, alpha testing) a feature like this, I would definitely have opted out of that cycle. -- jaywalker Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.36 Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51, Communication, and the Ethics of Beta Testing
Hello Jay, Monday, July 18, 2005, 11:58:56, you wrote: With an introduction like that - and with the BayesIt problem still unresolved - who would imagine that we would be embarking on an entirely new series of beta (pardon, me, alpha) testing of a very risky nature? Do you mean the BayesIt isn't included in 3.51? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: 3.51, Communication, and the Ethics of Beta Testing
On 7/18/05, Maxim Masiutin wrote: Monday, July 18, 2005, 11:58:56, you wrote: With an introduction like that - and with the BayesIt problem still unresolved - who would imagine that we would be embarking on an entirely new series of beta (pardon, me, alpha) testing of a very risky nature? Do you mean the BayesIt isn't included in 3.51? No, Maxim, what I mean is that the version that the RL customers and potential customers can download from the main RL download page is version 3.5.30, and version 3.5.30 (to the best of my knowledge) has no BayesIt option. My understanding - from a huge amount of discussion on this point over the last few weeks - was that we were trying to get a better version of TB on to the RL Web site for users to download - a version that includes BayesIt. Maxim, when you posted the MSI for 3.51, you wrote that if the MSI worked, then you would update the download page and proceed to other fixes. Surely you must have been thinking something similar when you wrote that. Furthermore, you indicated that the only additional change in the 3.51 MSI was some charset issues of the latest 3.5.xx. You did not indicate that you were introducing new charset issues but only fixing issues that presumably had been reported in 3.5.36 (or thereabouts). So, pardon me, but no one could have guessed from what you wrote that this MSI was going to be the beginning of another round of beta testing (preliminary to an official release). Rather, the only thing you asked us to check was whether the MSI worked, which it did (and which I also promptly reported to be the case). The MSI worked, but you did not do what you stated you would do, that is, update the download page... for very good reason. So what happened here? Did RL lose sight of the fact that the beta testers felt some concern about the missing BayesIt in the public version of TB? And why did you present the 3.51 MSI as if it was the end of a beta testing cycle when, as it now seems, it was actually to be the beginning of a new beta testing cycle? -- jaywalker Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.36 Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51: AV when deleting attachment
Hello Mary, When writing an e-mail just a while ago I attached another one as .eml and then decided to delete the attachment. When doing so I got the attached AV. I have not been able to reproduce it so far. This has happened to me several times, but it happened so infrequently and so randomly, that I had not yet made up my mind to report it. My attachments were either .jpg or .png images. Is Attach files at sending checked? -- Vili Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51: AV when deleting attachment
Hello Mary, Is Attach files at sending checked? I can't find this option. Where is it located? Account, Properties, Files and directories, Bind attachment only at sending (or something similar). I attached the various .jpegs and .pngs using the drop-down menu in Utilities: Attach Files and chose MIME-coded. Further info: my 2 accounts are POP3. I am running v. 3.51 Pro, but in plain mode--*not* OTFE. Same here. I never had any problem with it over... hmm... 6 years by now... -- Vili Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
miércoles, 6 jul 2005 at 16:34, it seems you wrote:
1) If you are spanish but don't want any other language you are out of
luck. You have to install all of them
Me I want English. I do _not_ american, however Spanish is useful at times.
You could get English+Spanish only in http://www.gdutb.org/?pagina=3
I have no choice. I use to have choice. I want choice. Or some one to say
'Sorry it is all or nothing'.
I send months ago a mail with an explanation. I don't remember the
Subject sorry.
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Last 24 hour Spam% it's 49%
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Re[2]: 3.51
Hello James, Thursday, July 7, 2005, 5:46:03 AM, you wrote: JJW On 7/7/05, Allie Martin wrote: Men don't experience that .. JJW Well, I'll have to confirm this with Tony. He has been clarifying a JJW lot of such matters for me lately. JJW But thanks for your specification of gender. All this time I thought JJW it was Allie, like maybe Ally McBeal with an ie instead of a y. JJW :-) This is where x-rogues really help. If you send a real picture of course. ;) -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.36 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
Hello Eugene, Please download 3.51 which is a replacement of 3.5.xx. It fixes charset issues of the latest 3.5.xx ZW First of all, Exchange connection problems are fixed! No, they aren't. The Bat! 3.51 still fails to open my Exchange message store: 07.07.2005, 17:06:59: FETCH - receiving mail messages !07.07.2005, 17:07:00: FETCH - Session.OpenMsgStore HResult=80040111 07.07.2005, 17:07:00: FETCH - Cannot connect to the server. Profile MS Exchange was not accepted while opening the message store. Go to Account, Properties, Transport. Select an other profile there, check it and tell us the result. -- Vili Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
Hello Dimitry, Thursday, July 7, 2005, 9:16:57 AM, you wrote: It's probably checking the Certificate Revocation List. It is by any chance crl.verisign.com, or a similar name? Don't honestly recall. I did the whois on the IP when installing Garmin CitySelect v6 a couple days back, and saw the same IP in TB when I installed the latest .MSI. -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
Het was op woensdag 6 juli 2005 om 15:40 uur dat jij iets schreef over '3.51' : Hallo Avi, AY My only reservation is about your numbering system. To go from 3.5.36 AY to 3.51 is a jump of about 46 version numbers for no obvious reason. AY It seems more logical for this to be a 3.6, which would be 45 version AY numbers less than 3.51. I think you should read it as 3.51.00 -- regards, Cees Oops. My brain just hit a bad sector. ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.51 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
Hello Tony, It must be a typo? Surely that should say.. We will proceed to other fixes and *then* update the web site? Tony, as other also wrote, you dont answer my question/suggestion that was to fix your No message loaded problem... So, did that suggestion work? -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: 3.51
On 7/6/05, Cees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Het was op woensdag 6 juli 2005 om 15:40 uur dat jij iets schreef over '3.51' : AY My only reservation is about your numbering system. To go from 3.5.36 AY to 3.51 is a jump of about 46 version numbers for no obvious reason. AY It seems more logical for this to be a 3.6, which would be 45 version AY numbers less than 3.51. I think you should read it as 3.51.00 That is exactly how I am reading it, Cees. The previous version was a 3.5 derivative. This version is the beginning of a 3.51 series. 3.5 does not mean 3 and a half. It only means that this is a major update of the 3.x release. There may or may not have been 4 previous major updates of the 3.x series, because software companies often jump numbers when a lot of features are added. But what happens when you reach 3.9? Does that mean that you cannot have any more major updates of the 3.x release? Does that mean that RL is obliged to come out with the 4.x series? The answer is no. 3.9 can be followed by 3.10 and onwards for as long as needed. This is not mathematics. It is just a versioning system. As nobody declared the 3.5 release to be 3.50, there is no reason that I can see to come out with 3.51. But having said all that, let's face the facts. There are many different systems of version numbering. The problem with the RL system is that there is no clear system. The version numbers streak from one direction to the next, like a bat out of h**l. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.51 Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
Hello Tony, A reminder of what Vili on TBBETA typed on: 06 July 2005 at 09:57:15 GMT -0400 So, did that suggestion work? Er, what suggestion was that, refresh my memory? :) I wrote it ca. 3 times :)) Anyway: Account, Properties, Mail management, When inactive, disconnect after this time: uncheck, and Account, Properties, Mail management, Automatically connect to server: When account is selected, checked. This way you will be fine. I'm playing with TB now and so far it seems OK. :) -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
Hello David, Nice to see the spam filter back in the msi, It is a shame that I still have to install all the languages. ?? Why do you have to?? I unchecked that... -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
Hello Tony, IMAP fine tune, I increased connections to 10 and refresh folder every 20 seconds instead of minutes. Hmm... I dont know. It surely helps, but I dont have to be this drastic to make my IMAP work :))) -- Vili Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
Hello David, Nice to see the spam filter back in the msi, It is a shame that I still have to install all the languages. ?? Why do you have to?? I unchecked That... ¿ Are you serious ? (there we go again.) 1) If you are spanish but don't want any other language you are out of luck. You have to install all of them Sorry, I did not know that. We, in Hungary (www.thebat.hu), make our own LNG and speller files, that have only English and Hungarian in them :) Yes, it is an independent install, but users just have to follow the instructions... So, in your case the problem is, that there is only one LNG file in that MSI that contains ALL the languages :( I dont think, there is a workaround on your problem :((( -- Vili Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
Het was op woensdag 6 juli 2005 om 17:04 uur dat jij iets schreef over '3.51' : Hallo Mark, MB How did you get that upside down question mark? Spanish is also useful MB here at times. MP Alt + 0191 ¿ ¿ funny :) but at least I know how to get an upside down 9 6 :rofl2: -- regards, Cees Every survival kit should include a sense of humor!! ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.51 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
Hello Tony, Wouldn't it be better if we would ask Mrs. Boom to send you back to the factory for a major revision? You can ask her but she'll tell you there is nothing wrong with my blood supply, it's still pumping to all the right places :) There is a Hungarian term about you, Tony: If you would not exist, you should be invented :))) I was laughing at your comment a lot :) -- Vili Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
Hello Tony, A reminder of what Tony Boom on TBBETA typed on: 06 July 2005 at 15:44:19 GMT +0100 Time will tell but I'm hopeful. So far so good except one thing, I'm getting double of everything that comes in. The main inbox count shows the true message count but the actual folders show doubles of all new mail. If I clear the cache everything is OK or if I sit and wait it refreshes itself after a while. If I have both TB and Mulberry open it's only TB that shows these doubles, at least until it clears itself. See attached. Yes, it is a refresh problem... :( -- Vili Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
Hello Tony, PS: Don't ya just love ALT+L :) What is that for? -- Vili Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
Hello Tony, What is that for? Correcting bad English, you should try it sometime :) ??? It's used to reformat paragraphs when you add bits and take bits away. MicroEd don't auto wrap so I use ALT+L. Shoot... :)) I know that, I a using (ok, Alt+J) all the time, I thought, it is a shortcut related to IMAP :))) -- Vili Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
Het was op woensdag 6 juli 2005 om 18:00 uur dat jij iets schreef over '3.51' : Hallo Dwight, ¿ funny DAC ¿If I recall my Spanish correctly, this isn't funny, but necessary DAC isn't it? Spanish is all Greek to me -- regards, Cees l'enfère c'est les autres - Jean-Paul Sartre ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.51 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
On Wednesday, July 06, 2005, at 10:20 AM, Tony Boom wrote: I can't be doing with this. I'm trying to play fair, done everything that you lot suggested and then some but TB just won't play cricket! In the IMAP fine tune, there's an option to test the IMAP connection. What happens when you run the test? The test button is beside the connection number setting. Additionally, I have my number of connections set to 4. I note it not to be any different from 2. Why have yours at 10? Have you tried 2 connections? -- -= Allie M.=- Using TB! v3.5.36 System Specs: http://specs.aimlink.name =-=-= ...SENILE.COM found: out of memory... Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
On Wednesday, July 06, 2005, at 10:11 AM, Tony Boom wrote: Well I probably don't but if 10 connections are available and TB only uses 6 then the other four are spare just in case. I don't want to speak too soon but apart from the cache problem doubling everything up, things seem OK so far. I've watched the CC on a slow connection and TB! seems to use only 2 connections at a time. So setting the connection numbers to 10 will likely not help. At least not with the current builds. I have automatic disconnection disabled as well. -- -= Allie M.=- Using TB! v3.5.36 System Specs: http://specs.aimlink.name =-=-= ...Famous last words - Jesus Christ: Father, beam me up. Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
Het was op woensdag 6 juli 2005 om 19:08 uur dat jij iets schreef over '3.51' : Hallo Mike, M ¿Why is it that numlock must be on in order for ¡The Bat! to accept M alt-codes? you should complain to Bill G. for that, NOT the RitLabs guys. ~:) -- regards, Cees Forget about the dog, beware of the wife! ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.51 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: 3.51
--On 6 July 2005 12:11:08 -0500 Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the IMAP fine tune, there's an option to test the IMAP connection. What happens when you run the test? The test button is beside the connection number setting. It starts counting down from 30 to 1, tells me everything is OK and then self destructs. Additionally, I have my number of connections set to 4. I note it not to be any different from 2. Why have yours at 10? Have you tried 2 connections? It always was 2, I changed it to 10 earlier today to see what would happen. I've given up on it now totally. It works but it's just *so much effort* trying to keep on top of it, keeping up with it and trying to understand what it's doing is just too tiring. It's now telling me half my mailboxes don't exist even though it has them in the folder tree complete with the correct message count. It tells me I have 80 unread messages when there are only 7 in the folder, it tell me it can't flag messages when all I want to do is read the message, never said anything about flagging the bloody things. I'm not sure if you have the Malibu advert over there, it's about a melon stall in Jamaica, I won't go into all the details but buying a melon becomes a big ordeal and the poor 90 year old chap on the bike sums it all up by saying I just want to buy a melon. Well... I just want to read email !! I think that advert sums up the whole Bat experience for me. Anyone in England who has seen the advert will know exactly what I mean. If I could capture it as an MPEG or AVI file I'd put it up for you. -- Tony. i. Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
On Wednesday, July 06, 2005, at 01:48 PM, Manuel Breitfeld wrote: Without having read the whole thread, I just want to point out, that it's not always that mathematical and therefore logical as you did point out. CVS's numbering system for instance goes like this 1.1 ... 1.9 1.10 1.19 1.20. That's the opposite of the way you described. I've been referring to TB!'s version numbering and not version numbering in general. TB!'s version numbering has never really followed the CVS numbering method. It has always been a mathematical progression. -- -= Allie M.=- Using TB! v3.51 System Specs: http://specs.aimlink.name =-=-= ...Do NOT look into laser with remaining eyeball! Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: 3.51
On 7/6/05, Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, July 06, 2005, at 01:48 PM, Manuel Breitfeld wrote: Without having read the whole thread, I just want to point out, that it's not always that mathematical and therefore logical as you did point out. CVS's numbering system for instance goes like this 1.1 ... 1.9 1.10 1.19 1.20. That's the opposite of the way you described. I've been referring to TB!'s version numbering and not version numbering in general. TB!'s version numbering has never really followed the CVS numbering method. It has always been a mathematical progression. Again, Allie, that is not entirely true. 3.5.0.31 does not mathematically follow 3.5.30. And it really makes little sense to suggest that TB has had any kind of consistent versioning system. So, when TB is often quick to champion ISO, why not accept - or at least adhere to - one simple and consistent versioning system such as the CVS numbering system? Sometimes you just have to reevaluate and change your system. After redoing the GUI, why not adopt a clear and comprehensible versioning system? Is anyone or anything stopping RL? Will it cause their sales to decrease? Will it cause people to lose faith in the program? Sorry, Allie, but I just don't follow why you are so dogmatic on this point. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.51 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
On Wednesday, July 06, 2005, at 02:02 PM, Manuel Breitfeld wrote: The effect that I would recommend the following numbering system doesn't change anything, however I just want to write it down. ;) I would recommend to have a major number and two minor numbers separated by a dot. v3.50 - v3.51 - ... - v3.60 - ... - v4.00 - v4.01 This would be for release versions, right. The beta's could follow the old 3.60 beta/xx numbering or the more recent v3.51.xx numbering. However, if there's a quick fix release version to this v3.51, then this would force RIT to release 3.51.01 or something similar as a full release version. -- -= Allie M.=- Using TB! v3.51 System Specs: http://specs.aimlink.name =-=-= ...Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler. Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: 3.51
On 7/6/05, Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, July 06, 2005, at 02:02 PM, Manuel Breitfeld wrote: The effect that I would recommend the following numbering system doesn't change anything, however I just want to write it down. ;) I would recommend to have a major number and two minor numbers separated by a dot. v3.50 - v3.51 - ... - v3.60 - ... - v4.00 - v4.01 This would be for release versions, right. The beta's could follow the old 3.60 beta/xx numbering or the more recent v3.51.xx numbering. However, if there's a quick fix release version to this v3.51, then this would force RIT to release 3.51.01 or something similar as a full release version. That works for me. My only point is that the system should be coherent. The current approach is largely haphazard. Maybe there is a mathematical link in the numbering system, but why should users have to struggle to figure it out? Let's make it clear and hence friendly. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.51 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
Hello Alexander, Wednesday, July 06, 2005, 18:40:21, you wrote: One minor issue - the installer thinks that the core parts of TB require 357kB on the HDD. That's because you already have The Bat! on your hard disk, it won't need much space to update the files, this is quite normal. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: 3.51
--On 6 July 2005 22:32:54 +0300 Maxim Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's because you already have The Bat! on your hard disk, Why won't you answer me? I've asked a few very on topic, very relevant questions and I get no answer at all. No need to answer that, I already know why. -- Tony. i. Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
7/6/2005 8:16 PM Hi Ron, On 7/6/2005 Ron Secord wrote: RS Any chance of getting an .rar file to download? I can't even get the RS .msi to start. Something might have damaged your MSIexec files. Check the information at: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=enFamilyID=CEBBACD8-C094-4255-B702-DE3BB768148F -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
Hello Thorvald, haven't seen you for quite a while, where have you been? Thursday, July 7, 2005, 7:44:50 AM, you wrote: Does anybody know why msiexec.com tried to access the internet three times while installing the 3.51-MSI? My firewall blocked these attempts and it installed fine. It tries to verify the signature of the installer package AFAIK. I don't know what sense it makes if it installs even without verification, tho. :-) -- Best regards, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
