Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0 with SocksCap problem?
Maybe it is a good idea to implement Socks Server Support in The Bat! In some simple words, what is SocksCap is good for? Read the info on the net, but I dont really get it... -- Vili Current beta is 4.0.14.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0 with SocksCap problem?
In some simple words, what is SocksCap is good for? Read the info on the net, but I dont really get it... Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOCKS So, to let my simple brain to understand: a way to go thru firewalls using normal Explorer-style (HTTP or something) protocol, and drive admins crazy :) ? -- Vili Current beta is 4.0.14.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Mark, Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 2:54:38 PM, you wrote: MP Hello MikeD, MP Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 5:39:52 PM, you wrote: M2 Well ... I have no idea what the sender =intended= it look like wink M2 I can only say that I (normally) don't see anything that looks M2 wrong. Occasionally there will be a problem with the net and M2 something won't come down, but that would be a problem no matter what M2 you were using to display g MP Or, I wasn't accurate enough describing the case, or you misunderstood me. MP I'm talking about an html message with inline graphics, not a message with MP links to graphics on a remote server. If you click on the 'html icon' on MP the left side attachment list in such a case, besides the text, you get MP nothing but little red crosses. It was me not 'getting' your point, I think. Mostly because I haven't see a difference. Maybe I have just been lucky, but I never had something that didn't render correctly when I 'opened' the html version ... so I never really looked closely enough to see if the graphics were local or linked in from a site. MP If you receive a message in which inline and remote graphics (or text) MP are combined, you won't be able to see the total correct message in TB!. H ... is that in the preview or when you actually open it? As I said above, I have not run into one that didn't render correctly when I clicked on the HTML attachment and I really don't worry too much about what it looks like in the preview ... as long as I can tell who it is from and what is likely in it. MP It's not often that one receives such a message, but it happens, and those MP can be genuine (I mean written/sent without evil intentions) messages. MP Some people seem to specialise in such a style... Right ... we all know what we want g And in the hopes that tptb at Rit are listening ... fwiw, I have been accused of being a polyanna chuckle ... I have tried to voice my preferences and the reasons behind them. That does not mean that someone else's view isn't just as valid. Of course I =hope= that they will end up with things that I like, but when they don't wink I will evaluate and continue with the current version or move to the new one ... depending on my evaluations. I just didn't want folks to think that I was trying to say that their pet feature was wrong of should not be considered just because I don't happen to think it helps make TB better ... or something like that weg -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.29 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Marek, Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 1:38:00 PM, you wrote: 3 RSS plugins exists already, even they are not perfect and there are some limitations in Bat. Can you tell where I can find the RSS Plugins? Thank you. Jerry -- Best regards, Ethanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Jens, Monday, December 10, 2007, 8:36:39 AM, you wrote: With the Rest i didn't see any important missing features :-) Maybe RSS would be nice to have. RSS as a plug in for TheBat would be most helpful. While stand alone RSS programs are helpful, a plug in for the Bat would really make it possible to address the use of RSS within organizations for obtaining information and news updates. Jerry -- Best regards, Ethanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Thomas, Monday, December 10, 2007, 8:50:49 AM, you wrote: TF Hello Jens, TF On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:36:39 +0100 GMT (10/12/2007, 20:36 +0700 GMT), TF Jens Franik wrote: JF I'd neither have an HTML View as Default or Unchangable Setting. TF This won't happen. HTML view will always be an option, with plaintext TF preffered by many. JF Any Content, which is not included in the Mail(s) has not to be JF displayed until i give explicitly permission to access the JF Internet for this. TF Agreed. The suggestion is to allow this permission. It is not possible TF now. TF Another wish (this seems to have gotten lost while the thread TF progressed) is a real HTML editor, for those who want to use it. I TF have situations in the office were I need to reply to HTML mail in TF HTML, keeping the format (tables or colours), and maybe add some TF pictures in the middle. I am ridiculed in the office because my email TF client can't do what is standard on many others. I would rather that TB =not= get bogged down with all the bloat (and the cost in terms of development hours) needed to implement a fully functional HTML editor ... especially when there are plenty of them available already. When I have to include HTML, I use the HTML editor I already own, have installed and already **know how to use efficiently** to develop the content, then cut paste that into TB. OK ... I have stated my case and will stop now g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.29 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Mark, Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 8:14:06 AM, you wrote: MP Hello MikeD, MP Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 1:33:58 PM, you wrote: M2 OK ... All I do is click on the 'html icon' on the left side M2 attachment list and ... glorisoki, my HTML content is rendered by M2 Firefox. No muss no fuss. What am I missing in this discussion? MP Now, do that with an html-message in which the graphics are sent along with MP the message. MP Does it look as intended by the sender? Well ... I have no idea what the sender =intended= it look like wink I can only say that I (normally) don't see anything that looks wrong. Occasionally there will be a problem with the net and something won't come down, but that would be a problem no matter what you were using to display g MP What if, f.i., you wanted to make a pdf of such a message? Never came up ... but I would have the same problem if I wanted to save any 'web page' as a pdf. I suppose I would just open up Open Office, paste the doc in there and save it shrug And I should point out that saving in PDF format is not typically something one thinks of as an integral part of an HTML editor ... at least it isn't a feature that I worry about. If I am working with HTML, I want a web page out of it not a PDF. I would use a publisher type package for that. Maybe I am just too much of a dinosaur from decades of using Unix and Linux shrug I like software to be really good at one thing and not bloated up, slowed down and obscured with a ton of features that more properly belongs in some other program. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.29 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Sebastian, Friday, October 12, 2007, 8:39:05 PM, you wrote: What normal user expect is: 1. HTML templates 2. HTML pictures Yes, that is important. More and more newsletters are not readable without showing the pcitures. 3. Account like in OE (example: one Incoming folder for couple Accounts) No go. If it is optional I don't mind. But that is one of the reasons I never would use Outlook as mail client for more than one account. I simply need the separation of the incoming accounts. If you really do want that then make a gerneric incoming folder and define a filtering rule. 4. Improved backup and folder/message maintenance (.bin files problems) 5. RSS native support Would be nice to have. Also like newsgroups. But let's focus on the main task of The Bat: mails... ;) 6. better IMAP 7. better calendar and exchange support At least a calendering feature that supports WEBDAV or similar protocols. That also would make it possible to use ZIMBRA as mailserver. 8. Linux version Would be nice too, but I think when The Bat runs via Wine it also is fine, isn't it? 9. ldap v3 with TLS/SSL More important is that you would have the choice even to override invalid protocols (in case one is expired or something like that). What I expect: 1. Bugfixes Of course. 2. News and RSS native support Would be very nice. 3. HTML tamplates and pictures At least the pictures are a MUST. 4. PocketPC version with synchronization As I don't have a pocketPC version... However this feature isn't as important as it looks like. When you have an IMAP functionality then it is enough for the mails. However there should be a possibility to synchronise Calendar and Contacts. But I don't think that this is a task for the mail client. This better is implemented on the mailserver (e.g. synchronisation with Active Sync over the air). 5. Mouse gestures Well, I do like them but I never missed them in The Bat... 6. ACAP implementation for auto-choose best secure connection to server Nice to have. But I also didn't miss that yet... -- Best regards, Martinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
MS Yes, that is important. More and more newsletters are not readable MS without showing the pcitures. And that drives me nuts sigh I am quite happy with the text only view as the default and hope that does not go away ... at least as an option! I'd neither have an HTML View as Default or Unchangable Setting. Any Content, which is not included in the Mail(s) has not to be displayed until i give explicitly permission to access the Internet for this. I'm one of them who is getting dayly several newsletters, and e-papers by abonnement and weekly several e-zines. For all of them I need full html display, including pictures. So I'm eagerly waiting for TB 4, which should make it not nessesary anymore to use IncrediMail anymore. :-) -- Regards, Gunivortus Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Hi Thomas, Come on! While I also receive newsletters I want to see *with* pictures, there is no need to use Incredimail! Eudora, Outlook, a myriad of email clients can do this. Are you pulling our legs? From the beginning of its first release, IM was better in HTML displaying as those you're mentioning; so I bought it and use it since then for my e-zines, etc, asking from time to time for adding full html display in TB. I never ever used Eudora or Outlook, nor did and do I plan that. So I can't agree they're better or not than IM. I don't bother. I just want TB doing it all, one emailclient should be sufficient if it can all I need. And there's a lot others asked, that I don't need; No backupfunction, (I make my images), no RSS, no IMAP, no calendar, no Linuxversion (ack!). -- Regards, Gunivortus Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Eddie, Sounds to me like some sort of awful mickeysoft bells and whistles program. But then again maybe it won't be as bad as it all sounds. But if a new Version shall be released, why is the TB!beta ML not involved in giving their view? When I recall it from the previous versions and years being on this list, more or less all major development was discussed together with RITlabs on this list. This is just my opinion, but it does seem to me that there is here a lot of ill will towards Rit, and anger with having to deal with the brokenness that will appear in betas. -- Gleason Using 3.99.29 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Henk, What about a roadmap? 2nd time I posted this. Curiouser and curiouser that it is not noticed on the Rit web site and overlooked here http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=2188 I asked this on October 18th. What a pity that next to the news about update policy of 11/7/2007 and the license policy of 11/19/2207 there is no communication with tbbeta about what is next -- Gleason Using 3.99.29 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Henk, Saturday, November 10, 2007, 12:31:15 AM, you wrote: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=2240 I found the road map fairly easy to understand. What I am concerned about is the following: 1. Time line for the new product 2. List of the Significantly new features 3. List of Features that could not be addressed in version 3 that will be resolved in version 4 The two key areas of interest. a) RSS plug in that is rock solid and works well b) Easy integration to a Calender program of my choice c) Ability to have the program recognized in the corporate sector. (I'm getting hammered in the health care sector as spammer. Every week, key documents attached to the files are blocked) I look forward to beta testing. Have a good day. Jerry -- Best regards, Ethanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=2240 I read that several times, and I'm still sure what it says. Sure or not sure? :-) Your v3 key will work with v4.0.x. New code will need for v4.1.x and above. -- Vili The Bat 3.99.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Dwight, On Friday, October 12, 2007, 7:45:51 PM, Gleason Pace wrote: Interesting. One of the things I positively didn't like about Mulberry was the necessity to delete messages twice. If I delete it, I want it to be gone. All gone. POP users have survived a long time without needing to deleting messages twice, why does this become necessary for Imap users? In TB!, the second deletion is when you compress the folder. Which can be done automatically. Much better. -- Gleason Using 3.99.25 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
10/15/2007 8:47 AM Hi Krzysztof, On 10/15/2007 Krzysztof Trybowski wrote: Topics are above. There is no possibility to have 5 different Accounts and one folder tree like in OE. You can only cheat but you newer hide 5 accounts. And this answer is in PSTB FAQ, you can find in forum and in tb-l. You can hide the accounts in a tree. You need to use color groups. Since some versions you can apply a color group to a folder. A new tab will appear by the bottom of the account tree. Select it. Voila. And filters? And many Inboxes? You have read questions? KT You just wrote a few mails ago, that you know how to cheat KT that behavior using filters and common folders... Right? I'm still waiting for someone to transform my VW Rabbit into a Mercedes-Benz 350 SL. Why won't somebody do it for me? And preferably free! Making TB into OE is akin to the reverse of the above example! -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
10/14/2007 5:34 AM Hi Sebastian, On 10/13/2007 Sebastian Murawski wrote: SM I paid also for v2 and remember promise about newsgroup support. I SM paid for this promise to. I do not recall this being a promise. -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
10/14/2007 5:38 AM Hi Hans, On 10/14/2007 Hans Stam wrote: HS I am a registered user of The Bat! but also of Pocomail, try this HS program, has a lot of features, The Bat! does not have! HS Or try Mokum Mail, http://www.blokker.net/whatsnew.htm HS As a registered user I always use this very safe program Hmm... HTML and no sig delimiter. Here comes the trout! I hope Pocomail is more stable for you than me! -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
10/14/2007 5:49 AM Hi Hans, On 10/14/2007 Hans Stam wrote: Or try Mokum Mail, http://www.blokker.net/whatsnew.htm As a registered user I always use this very safe program This is entertainment, not email. How safe is HTML only? Where are the email features? It looks like a crippled Dutch version of Incredimail. At least PocoMail has email features...not enough...not fast enough... -- Take Care, Paul Van Noord Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
10/14/2007 5:59 AM Hi Vilius, On 10/14/2007 Vilius Šumskas wrote: VŠ We've got new filtering system and a native XP look during v2.x beta cycle. Why rewrite it VŠ a third time? Ritlabs just don't get it. Users that use MAPI or IMAP VŠ does filtering ON THE SERVER. And they use IMAP's folder VŠ syncronization. That's they even doesn't need Voyager. Let's face it: TB! VŠ is long time pop3 client and it is still is. Most TB! features is for VŠ POP3 users (filters, antivirus/spam plugins, posibility to have it on VŠ the USB stick, etc.). For people that just want a working VŠ email client with their business inboxes it is not that atractive VŠ option anymore. You are entitled to speak for yourself. Now do something for yourself and go use a program that focuses on your specific needs instead of crying about one that doesn't. Voyager has been a literal life saver for me and many customers who are in parts of the world where it is mandatory to have one's email literally in their pocket to avoid persecution and possible death. -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
10/14/2007 6:42 AM Hi Sebastian, On 10/14/2007 Sebastian Murawski wrote: SM DynBat, MobileBat, TheBatch or JavaScript Mobilbat - that was before SM Voyager and works with full TheBat Pro version. Voyager is only Home SM version with OTFE password protection. In your own words, But this is not for normal users - it is to difficult, not ergonomic. Also, I work in English. -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
10/14/2007 8:12 AM Hi Vilius, On 10/14/2007 Vilius Šumskas wrote: VŠ I think you don't understand IMAP concept very well. It was created VŠ exactly for that kind of situations. You can access your emails in ANY PART of the VŠ world from one central place (e.g. the server). And you can do this VŠ without connecting to the internet because message base is cached on VŠ EVERY CLIENT you are using. I beg to differ. Having a message base reside on a server is exactly what needs to be avoided. The message base that resides in encrypted form on the flash drive in my pocket is under my control. I will need to be killed for someone to have access to it. I will not be killed because someone hacked a server to find me or find a reason to kill me. IMAP is exactly what I do _not_ want! -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Hans, I am a registered user of The Bat! but also of Pocomail, try this program, has a lot of features, The Bat! does not have! Or try Mokum Mail, http://www.blokker.net/whatsnew.htm As a registered user I always use this very safe program Hans Thanks, I didn't know about Mokum. Yes, it is much easier to be an impressive email client if you don't consider Imap performance, or if the client doesn't do it at all. It is true that Poco looks a lot better if you don't consider Imap. -- Gleason Using 3.99.24 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Vilius, And what are major improvements, new major features in this v3 builds? I remember one feature that now not exists. new filtering system, new customiser, rewritten message list pane, Unicode in many parts, Vista support etc. We've got new filtering system and a native XP look during v2.x beta cycle. Why rewrite it a third time? Essentially, Thunderbird makes this necessary. Ritlabs just don't get it. Users that use MAPI or IMAP does filtering ON THE SERVER. Server sieves (as Mulberry calls them) are limited compared to what a client can do, and TB does. And they use IMAP's folder syncronization. That's they even doesn't need Voyager. Let's face it: TB! is long time pop3 client and it is still is. Every client out there is limited by its history. Mulberry started as an Imap client, Agent started as a newsreader, and in both cases their treatment of POP shows it. Eudora's and Pocomail's Imap clearly suffers for the same reason. I think the critics would do well to show us a complete Imap client that does not have difficulties of some sort. In fact, I dearly wish they would. I have looked hard and long for such a thing. -- Gleason Using 3.99.24 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
10/14/2007 12:29 PM Hi Vilius, On 10/14/2007 Vilius Šumskas wrote: VŠ I hope this answers every aspect that you can come up with. Messages that reside for an hour or two on a highly encrypted server that are exchanged between accounts on the same server and then are _permanently_ deleted at the time of retrieval are the next best thing to exchanging highly encrypted messages directly between 2 parties where there is no intermediary. I am closing this discussion because apparently we will always differ. -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Sebastian, And this small steps bring us to point: 1. There is no new plugins and old are not developed 2. Big discussion lists and forums, sites slowly dying (tb-l, bat-mail.de.vu, pstb, TheBat! World) - no new users, no new posts, no new news. Tell me why this happen? A subject that has had some discussion in other email client lists. The most important problem for all clients, I think, is that young people mostly prefer webmail. No setup, and if it isn't working, somebody else will fix it real soon. In my case, I recently had the example of a friend of a friend whose son set her up with Hotmail as an introduction to using email. No amount of explaining advantages could convince her to do more than that. Just be simple and work please, and since I don't know anything about anything, let my son get it going for me. I believe you can set everything so that it works exactly as in OE. No. When you know how to do that please answer for this posts: Oh, Lord, why would anybody want another email client that acts like OE? If that is what you want, OE is free after all, and so is Foxmail for that matter. -- Gleason Using 3.99.25 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Sebastian, In my case, I recently had the example of a friend of a friend whose son set her up with Hotmail as an introduction to using email. No amount of explaining advantages could convince her to do more than that. Just be simple and work please, and since I don't know anything about anything, let my son get it going for me. But this is not only new users or young people problem but also old? Why old useres for example changing TB for Tbird? Yes, as I said a while ago, the success of Tbird is one of the issues that Rit must deal with very soon. And I think glitter is very much a part of Tbird's appeal. I believe you can set everything so that it works exactly as in OE. No. When you know how to do that please answer for this posts: Oh, Lord, why would anybody want another email client that acts like OE? If that is what you want, When you read this topics on forum my nick is lazik - you will know that this is not my request and you will know why I not recommend OE like setup. I only want to say that new users that changing email client want OE like interface. That is all. Understood. Be simple and work. Also new and shiny helps. Actually, TB is not going to be simple, and people who have a lot of special email needs don't want it to be. The problem is that this is a rather small part of the overall email client market, and there are 10-15 other clients all aiming for that same group. TB really needs to stand out. Appearance is an important part of that. -- Gleason Using 3.99.25 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
10/14/2007 5:38 AM Hi Hans, On 10/14/2007 Hans Stam wrote: HS I am a registered user of The Bat! but also of Pocomail, try this HS program, has a lot of features, The Bat! does not have! HS Or try Mokum Mail, http://www.blokker.net/whatsnew.htm HS As a registered user I always use this very safe program Hmm... HTML and no sig delimiter. Here comes the trout! I hope Pocomail is more stable for you than me! Yes pocomail is working fine here, last version is 4.5.3.910 and of course with Newsgroups and RSS, Templates, Imap, etc already for a long time.. Hans Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html __ NOD32 2591 (20071014) Informatie __ Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. http://www.nod32.nl Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
10/13/2007 3:16 PM Hi Martin, On 10/13/2007 Martin Sebald wrote: Seems you have already found the answer to your problem. MS Ritlabs, please add long promised and paid state of the art features MOST MS mail client big players offer smootly to your planned state of the art MS interface! I am confused, you said, please add...state of the art features MOST mail client big players offer... I do not understand why you are not using one of the big players if they are giving you what you are looking for. -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
10/13/2007 3:33 PM Hi Martin, On 10/13/2007 Martin Sebald wrote: MS Also because I'm from the southern part of Germany, to be exactly I'm a MS Swabian. Maybe you heard what is told about us: We look after our money and MS what we paid we want to have. Caveat Emptor must have been left out of your heritage. I'm sure you were given the same 30-day trial period I received. http://m-w.com/dictionary/Caveat%20emptor For sure you are sweet folks. The Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte proves it! -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Martin, What's the situation? Any bètatesting for this version or... yes, it will be, You must wait, work in progress release date I'm more interested if features promised for v2 will be available for v4. Or if this is just another milk the cows release. Sorry for being so optimistic about that. Hasn't everyone seen this? Well maybe not, so here it is from the Ritlabs website: The largest-scale changes were made in The Bat!’s interface. Users will see a totally new program. Together with Artem Gorbunov design bureau we created a modern interface that facilitates e-communication via The Bat! 4.0 and further releases. The new design affects every single item of the program from the main window to the smallest dialog boxes. However, we left the classic interface of the program for our most devoted users. The work with macros is significantly simplified. The Bat! was always renowned for its wide support of macros used for message templates and filters creation, but this option was often neglected. In The Bat! 4.0 macros become generally accessible and understandable. Now each group of macros has its own color, each macro is presented in the user’s language instead of macro language (for example, “Recipient’s first name” instead of “%TOFName”). We hope that this new form of macros processing will help every user of The Bat! 4.0 and further versions in creating message templates and filters. The Bat! 4.0 is equipped with an improved account wizard. Now it creates the user accounts automatically basing on the e-mail addresses introduced by users. There is no more need to key in the addresses of incoming and outgoing mail servers and other information. Users just provide their e-mail – then The Bat! 4.0 makes everything on its own. In addition, we introduced message labels in the new version. If in previous releases users only had possibility to add a flag to the message in order to mark it, then The Bat! 4.0 gives users a new option of creating labels with one or many keywords (for example, “Work”, “Advice”, “Comment” etc.). This l abel is seen in “Subject” field. Users also have at their disposal a wide color pattern and can bind any color with any label. -- Gleason Using 3.99.24 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
What's the situation? Any bètatesting for this version or... yes, it will be, You must wait, work in progress :-) release date -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Hi Marek, On Friday, October 12, 2007 at 3:58:04 PM you wrote: 8. Linux version MM I do not think, we will ever see The Bat! under Linux, if will be developed MM in Delphi. And really do not think, You can do business in this platform, MM nobody wants to pay for apps, because everything is free. Not everyone who uses Linux does so full time. Ritlabs could make a stripped down version of TB! for Linux. I wouldn't mind! grin -- Regards, Maggie It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it. -George W. Bush Emailing with The Bat! 3.99.24 Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Guten Morgen, MS I'm complaining every six months or so about the company's MS politics and the priority of issues, bugs and stuff like this and MS it seems that I am the almost the only one who isn't happy with MS this. I'd rephrase that: You're one of the few that haven't given up yet. The others do not see it necessary to beg for features that were guaranteed years ago and have already been payed for. They have resigned to the fact that they have been ripped off. -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpJntCwDQMJE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Gary, All this afternoon and yesterday, I am seeing an old bug recur over and over. This is where you click on a new email, and there is no message body. Hence, either this email is no longer there, or there is some other issue. The way to correct this is to Clear Catch Now... my question is why is this necessary on TB!'s implementation of IMAP? No other client requires me to clear the cache to read email properly at any time. It requires unnecessary steps just to read mail. It is bothersome, troubling, and tells me that IMAP is still not right. I cannot trust TB! IMAP for production use. Yes, that was a great annoyance. I haven't seen it for a long time. When TB was doing that to me, I stepped down a level to Mulberry. -- Gleason Using 3.99.24 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Vilius, I guess I am going to have to disagree with that. TB Imap is not perfect, but it is the pick of my list which includes: Execuse me, but TB!'s IMAP is a crap. It's not even in alpha stage. In fact I haven't seen worse IMAP implementation. My students at university write better IMAP code in 4 to 6 weeks than Ritlabs did it in 4 years. Interesting. What I see is that every single Imap client out there is either incomplete (like Thunderbird) or has problems worse than TB. I have heard from a well known email client programmer that this probably has something to do with the fact that the Imap specification is enormous. -- Gleason Using 3.99.24 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Gary, All this afternoon and yesterday, I am seeing an old bug recur over and over. This is where you click on a new email, and there is no message body. Hence, either this email is no longer there, or there is some other issue. The way to correct this is to Clear Catch Now... my question is why is this necessary on TB!'s implementation of IMAP? No other client requires me to clear the cache to read email properly at any time. It requires unnecessary steps just to read mail. It is bothersome, troubling, and tells me that IMAP is still not right. I cannot trust TB! IMAP for production use. I also subscribe to the Mulberry and Pegasus discussion lists. It is worthy of remark how many of my fellow subscribers are IT types who think developers should be guided by their needs. In the case of Mulberry, they have convinced Cyrus to take Mulberry open source after helping bankrupt it with their narrow vision of what an email client should be (no html, etc.). Again, I don't say that TB's Imap is perfect, just a respectable effort compared to how others have done. And Ritlabs remains commercially viable. I'm impressed. May they continue to not be guided by what IT types think they should do. -- Gleason Using 3.99.24 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Gary, G In the case of Mulberry, they have convinced Cyrus to take Mulberry open G source after helping bankrupt it with their narrow vision of what an G email client should be (no html, etc.). nothing can be farther from the truth from the above statement. The company that merged with Mulberry, (Cyrusoft) lost a big govt contract that they bid on. It is that simple. It had nothing to do with Mulberry the client or any IT people driving it in a certain direction. The above is totally false. Good. Then perhaps you would agree that what gets used in a production environment might not necessarily be the largest concern that Rit might have with TB. -- Gleason Using 3.99.24 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Gary, G This is the IMAP protocol, deletion is a 2 step process, as stated G in the RFC... a message is marked for deletion, then it is G expunged. There is a feature in Mulberry where you delete a G message or thread, and then when you go to another folder, or G close the existing folder, it auto expunges or deletes the G messages marked for deletion. It takes me 2 keystrokes to G permanently delete threads for example. I forgot to add that since you complain about deleting messages twice tells me you know nothing about IMAP protocol or standards, which is something Mulberry follows better than any other client. It is a complex protocol. So your complaints are that they follow the protocol exactly, and that is bad. Exactly, it is a complex and large protocol. That is why producing a really good implementation has eluded all comers to date. Not that Rit is ripping people off by not doing what they promised. Your above complaints are directed at Mulberry, where in reality it should be directed at the IMAP protocol. You dislike the messenger (Mulberry) for bringing you the bad news, not the sender, which in this case is the protocol/IMAP RFC Yes, it is that way because the specifications say it should be. I think Rit got it right by ignoring the specification on this one. Let them continue to be guided by what real people using their program might want. -- Gleason Using 3.99.24 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Gary, G Good. Then perhaps you would agree that what gets used in a G production environment might not necessarily be the largest concern G that Rit might have with TB. It should be their largest concern.. I see, so you still want Rit (and Cyrus) to be guided by the needs of IT types. my definition of a production environment is that of using a software product day in and day out individually or within or upon a network of computers *without* problems. Yes, that is what IT types want. I understand that Thunderbird gives you that. That is not the way most people use an email client. It is not the way I use it for that matter. It is the way IT managers use it. In other words, it is the opposite of either alpha or beta software, where you would not use a product/software for day to day activities, because it is inherently unstable or has too many bugs. I don't find this to be true of TB. Since I use IMAP and my clients all use IMAP on my servers, there are problems. They call me, taking my time (which is money) to answer problems related to IMAP and TB! I don't get IMAP calls when they use other email clients. You mean, when they use Thunderbird. If they use Pocomail, I can guarantee you that you would have a new conception of what it means to get support calls. Yes, your support costs should be your largest concern. Ritlabs and other developers should feel free to not consider this when they make decisions. -- Gleason Using 3.99.24 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Gary, G Yes, it is that way because the specifications say it should be. I G think Rit got it right by ignoring the specification on this one. Let G them continue to be guided by what real people using their program G might want. Then why use any RFC protocol at all, even SMTP, or POP, or heck... now you can be Microsoft and just use what you want.. You are missing the point because you do not understand the problem. Generalizations do not help, and being sadly misinformed, e.g. the Mulberry history, are just ranting without knowledge. Sorry, gotta go and this is silly. IT types tend to consider those who disagree with them to be ignorant, uninformed, not worth conversing with. Yes, I have found that to be true as well. No, I am a software developer with a lot of years behind me. I have worked with just about every email client out there looking for the best I can get. No, I don't think you can dismiss my opinion that easily. -- Gleason Using 3.99.24 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
10/13/2007 12:23 AM Hi Gary, On 10/12/2007 Gary wrote: GB I don't get IMAP calls when they use other email GB clients. Seems you have already found the answer to your problem. -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Martin, Friday, October 12, 2007, 9:04:47 PM, among other things, you wrote: MS I'm complaining every six months or so about the company's politics MS and the priority of issues, bugs and stuff like this and it seems that I am MS the almost the only one who isn't happy with this. You are not the only one. I think most of us have just got tired of banging our head against the Ritlabs brickwall. -- Best regards, Roger :flag-southafrica: The Bat! v3.99.24 with AntiSpamSniper 2.6.1.2, on Windows XP, version 5 1, build 2600 and Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat 4.0
Hello, Thursday, September 2, 2004, 12:53:21 PM, Mary Bull wrote: MB I trust that support will be there for me, if I need it Ritlabs support? I emailed them several times and got no respond. I can't even be sure it exists. :D -- Best regards, Borismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
