Re: Is it me or ....
On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:51:00 +0200 Peter Palmreuther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SH> Hmm...I have idea, how if we change the procedure to automatically > SH> going to vacation for 14-days instead of unsubscribe. > > That's exactly what I wanted to suggest after reading this thread. > I don't know the ratio of 'bounces because server failure' versus > 'bounces because e-mail-address got really killed', but I'd guess it's > pro '(temporary) server failure', so setting vacation would be a good > compromise. Nowadays, it is rare MTA that generate "temporary failure notice" (as Sendmail has), most of the time Non Delivery failure only generate when fatal failure happen. OK, I will talk to Moderators Team, and will change the setting if they agree :-) -- syafril --- Syafril Hermansyah<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re[2]: Is it me or ....
On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:07:02 +0700 Syafril Hermansyah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [ ...] > > A "20 bounce limit, and 3-days reset" would not have lasted the > > weekend, except for those subscribing to the TBUDL-Digest (if there > > is one). Obviously, when a server is down, the number of bounces is > > directly related to the number of messages sent. > > Seems you have answer your questions : you already know that > myrealbox.com will go to maintenance mode for 2-days or more, why not > change your subcription to digest or set on vacation (the procedure to > do that already mention on Welcome text) ? Hmm...I have idea, how if we change the procedure to automatically going to vacation for 14-days instead of unsubscribe. I did it for mahawarman.net list (hosting also on this server). The objective still remain : save resources. -- syafril --- Syafril Hermansyah<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re[2]: Is it me or ....
On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:07:11 -0500 Douglas Hinds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I dunno. Let's look at it. None of us were unsubscribed from TBTech, > which suffered the same condition except the message flow is much > less. This indicates that a higher message flow (i.e. TBUDL) > requires a higher bounce rate / automatic subscription cancellation > mechanism. Yes, and I did make differentiation. > You will not lose any messages. Any message sent to your account > during this outage will be delivered to your account. > > OK, they lied. Not really lied on purpose, base on the bounce message I got the message route/forward to other server (maybe his backup server), and forgot to recreate the same account (or late to create, while new messages already coming in). > Gary Lucas' suggestion: > "It seems like it would be better to use a criteria like "bounces > on three separate days" without a reset, rather than on a strict > 15 bounce count." > seems good to me. > > A "20 bounce limit, and 3-days reset" would not have lasted the > weekend, except for those subscribing to the TBUDL-Digest (if there > is one). Obviously, when a server is down, the number of bounces is > directly related to the number of messages sent. Seems you have answer your questions : you already know that myrealbox.com will go to maintenance mode for 2-days or more, why not change your subcription to digest or set on vacation (the procedure to do that already mention on Welcome text) ? > I've got 50mb of space on two prodigy.net.mx accounts that no longer > work w/ dutaint. I just sent you a test message from one of them, > which went through OK on this end, and that's how I used to be > subscribed. I just got the "Sorry, your e-mail address > [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not listed as a Member or Moderator of this > List" reply, so it looks like that is another option. There is a lot of bounce for prodigy.net.mx in the past, so list server bounce watcher has unsubscribe it automatically. Why we must force membership to stay, while we can not distribute any single message to them, it is a waste of resources. > In any case, let us know what you decide. I will not change anything for now, the bounce watcher already in place since beginning we use Listar (even while we still using MDaemon long time ago), last week we just make it more accurate while detect the bouncing, that's all. -- syafril --- Syafril Hermansyah<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it me or ....
On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:50:14 -0500 Allie C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > GL> It seems like it would be better to use a criteria like "bounces > GL> on three separate days" without a reset, rather than on a strict > GL> 15 bounce count. If a mail service was down for a couple of hours > GL> before it got corrected (say it never happens) and during that > GL> time there were more than 15 separate messages (like often happens > GL> in a run on TBUDL)--it seems like that would produce a lot of > GL> false unsubscribes. TBUDL having 20 bounce limit, and 3-days reset instead of 15 bounce/7-days. Day by day I will evaluate if any changes needed I will change it. > Three days is on the excessive side though I do see your point. I'd > more go for 100% bounces over a 24 hour period. But then this could > potentially lead to bandwidth wastage on the part of the list host > having to be receiving 100 bounced over a 24 hour period. It's > therefore really up to Syafril to decide what limits to set. Yeah, bandwidth waste is my concern, any single bounce will reroute to me, Marck and Flash. -- syafril --- Syafril Hermansyah<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it me or ....
On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 07:34:27 -0500 Gary Lucas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I suspect it must have something to do with the message from Syafril > Hermansyah > > SH> We have change the bounce watcher on this list, to be more > SH> accurate. Correct. In the past bounce message from myrealbox.com not recognize well by Listar bounce watcher, now it work perfectly as it should. If listar bounce watcher receive more than 15 bounce from specific address, she will unsubscribe automatically. The counter will reset to 0 (zero) if these conditions occurs : 1. Any successful delivery. 2. No list traffic in 7-days (means no bounce at all) :-) -- syafril --- Syafril Hermansyah<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with SMTP Authentication
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 at 10:32 GMT +0100 (21/02/2002 16:32 where you think I live) "Miguel A. Urech"=[MAU] wrote to Syafril Hermansyah : >> Even when "Require secure (MD5) authentication" is off, if the >> server does supports it, secure authentication will take place. > I believe and wish TB would allow me to select if I want to use simple > or secure authentication, even if it just for testing purposes. In > general, I don't like software that "decides what is best for me", I > like to decide and take my own risks. Yeah..yeah got your point after local test here :-) My MDaemon support either MD5 and Plain SMTPAUth (MD5 as default), even I set Plain Auth on TB! it's still use MD5 when handshake with my MDaemon. If sending using other mailer which support plain SMTPAuth only, my MDaemon response using plain instead of MD5 (will try other mailer if there is having different behaviour). Other test with my Exim Server (this list), it's support Plain SMTPAuth only, if I set MD5 on TB! my Exim yelling and no problem if I set Plain Auth in TB!. -- Best regards, Syafrilmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with SMTP Authentication
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 at 00:14 GMT +0100 (21/02/2002 6:14 where you think I live) "Miguel A. Urech"=[MAU] wrote to Syafril Hermansyah : >> Hmm weird, what's Mercury S log said ? > It reports: "501 Authentication failed - bad user or password", and > that is true. MailScan is not using MD5. Are you sure Mailscan is the culprit ? Have you contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] yet ? >> Have Thomas R. Stephenson (or others Mercury Support Team) comment on >> Mercury List ? > No, nobody has replied. But it is not Mercury's problem. The problem, > until MailScan can also use MD5, is that TB uses MD5 even though I > tell it to use simple authentication. I think it should use the kind > of authentication I tell it to use. I don't like software that decides > "what is better for me". You are using Mailscan socket layer base (I myself prefer the queue-base), IMHO there is relation to SMTPAuthentication. It just sniffing port 25 for virus filtering, the effect only slow down the connection for a while, so on many case we need to raise time out timer either on client or server side. I don't remember if there is timer setting on MercuryS, but you might check and if exist, please raise the timer time out. -- Best regards, Syafrilmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with SMTP Authentication
On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 at 14:04 GMT +0100 (20/02/2002 20:04 where you think I live) "Miguel A. Urech"=[MAU] wrote to Syafril Hermansyah : >> What happened if using Plain SMTPAUth instead of MD5 ? > I can't, TB won't let me. This is what I say in my original posting > yesterday: > Although I have The Bat! set up for simple authentication, > because Mercury supports MD5, TB will use MD5. Hmm weird, what's Mercury S log said ? > See my original message yesterday for a more complete explanation. Have Thomas R. Stephenson (or others Mercury Support Team) comment on Mercury List ? -- Best regards, Syafrilmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with SMTP Authentication
On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 at 12:50 GMT +0100 (20/02/2002 18:50 where you think I live) "Miguel A. Urech"=[MAU] wrote to Syafril Hermansyah : > I am using local IP addresses for all clients on the LAN, but I need > SMTP authentication when someone is on travel and not at the office. Oh I see. I don't know why this making problem for you, last year I was testing Mercury 3.30 with SMTPAuth without problem. What happened if using Plain SMTPAUth instead of MD5 ? -- Best regards, Syafrilmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with SMTP Authentication
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 at 16:02 GMT +0100 (19/02/2002 22:02 where you think I live) "Miguel A. Urech"=[MAU] wrote to Johannes Posel : >>> My question is: is there any way I can force TB to use simple >>> authentication? >> >> Try to disable MD5-Auth in Mercury. > I though it about this also, but I don't think it is possible. I have > asked in Mercury's mailing list but haven't had any reply yet. Put all Local LAN Client address accept for relay, check the relay setting. -- Best regards, Syafrilmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: %ATTACHMENTS - delimiter
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 at 12:01 GMT +0100 (21/11/2001 18:01 where you think I live) "Brano"=[B] wrote to Marck D Pearlstone : B>>> interesting. So I have to setup QT macro for this, right ? :) B>>> Maybe it would be good to make some "database" of delimiters :) MDP>> There are some good example macros to handle this on the FAQ. (See MDP>> "Help | FAQ"). You'll find them on the "Macros" and "Templates" pages. > I know this. But I have to change it everytime with new "delimiter" :) > and that's not good way, I think. I agree and support your motion. -- Best regards, Syafrilmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Other Regex
On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 at 01:49 GMT -0800 (15/11/2001 16:49 where you think I live) "Januk Aggarwal"=[JA] wrote to Syafril Hermansyah : > I suggest you put the following into a quick template and %QINCLUDE it > into your main template with something like: > %WRAPPED='%QINCLUDE="intro"' Work like a charm, thanks a lot! -- Best regards, Syafrilmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Other Regex
Hello tbtech list member,
Currently I am using the Regex below for Reply Template :
%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%HEADERS"%singlere
On %SUBPATT="2" at %SUBPATT="3" GMT%SUBPATT="4" (%ODATESHORT %OTIME
where you think I live) "%OFROMNAME"=[%QINCLUDE="Initials"] wrote to %OTONAME :
I want if the timezone same as mine (GMT +07:00), the "(%ODATESHORT %OTIME
where you think I live)" not include, how ?
--
Best regards,
Syafril mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
__
Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com
Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need Regex help
Hello Peter Palmreuther, Wednesday, November 14, 2001, 3:40:56 PM, you wrote to Januk Aggarwal on TBTECH: JA>> Someone forgot their quotation marks. > *ashamed* .-( However, thanks to you and Allie for your attention :-) -- Best regards, Syafrilmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need Regex help
Hello Januk Aggarwal, Wednesday, November 14, 2001, 2:17:04 PM, you wrote to Syafril Hermansyah: >>> <--> >>> Hello %- >>> %SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)^From:\s*(.*?)\s*<.*?@.*?>|^From:\s*<(.*?@.*?)>"%- >>> %REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%Text"%- >>> %SUBPATT=1 >^^^ SH>> Weird, still not work here. SH>> I attached one example, so you may tried with real things :-) > The problem isn't the regexp, it's the %SUBPATT macro. Someone forgot > their quotation marks. ;-) > Try this one: > %SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)^From:\s*(.*?)\s*\<.*?@.*?\>|^From:\s*\<(.*?@.*?)\>"%- > %REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%Text"%- > %SUBPATT="1" Yippe, it work! Thanks Januk -- Best regards, Syafrilmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need Regex help
Hello Peter Palmreuther, Tuesday, November 13, 2001, 10:29:55 PM, you wrote to Syafril Hermansyah on TBTECH: SH>> Ugh.. still not work, the result I only get "Hello" word only, no SH>> quote and others. SH>> Where am I wrong ? > I dunno where you're wrong :-) I can guess where I'm wrong :=) Ha..ha..ha... > Try this > <--> > Hello %- > %SETPATTREGEXP="From:\s*<(.*@.*)>|From:\s*(.+?)<.*@.*>"%- > %REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%Text"%- > %SUBPATT=1%SUBPATT=2%- > , > %QUOTES > <--> Still not work, same result :-( > One thing said before noticed by somebody else: the RegExp ain't very > fault tolerant right know and there's yet no solution for stripping > the 'From: ...' line from quoted material ... plus I don't know if it > works with Select+F4-Replying ... Not working too... -- Best regards, Syafrilmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Get posting IP from header
Hello Urke MMI, Thursday, October 18, 2001, 4:06:22 AM, you wrote to TBTECH: UM> For some ANTISPAM filter I need to get posting IP from original UM> message header. This must to be striped from first (from bottom) UM> Received position. Do someone have idea how to do this? Have you seen RFC-822 header (Shift-Ctrl-K) yet ? Normaly all ip address of MTA-sender to your MTA (as recipient) will listed on header, but there is some limitation : - Some MTA having facility to hide the ip address, only MTA-recipient knows the ip addresses through his logs. - Some List Engine strip out message flow from original sender to list server. -- Best regards, Syafrilmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HTML stripe out (was: Test of S/MIME w/o PGP)
Hi All, On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 at 11:06:48 GMT +0800 (9/14/2001 10:06 AM GMT +0700 where you think I live) "Thomas F"=[TF] typed the following : SH>> 1. On TBUDL I have activate "no attachment", HTML Stripe Out, Quote SH>>Printable conversion and UnMIME stripe out. TF> Since "HTML stripe out" is technically possible as we see, would TF> this also be technically possible to be impleted in TB? If so, TF> would anybody second this wish, as I get AOL mail and cannot balme TF> the senders: AOL does not allow for plaintext any more. An option TF> to strip all incoming mail of HTML would also take care of OE/OL TF> users. I worked on it with Allie, using 3rd party (freeware) utilities, sometimes ago, but we didn't get it work :-( But early this week I got some idea, so I will continue the trial (actually I work it for MDaemon but I think it can be utilize on TB! too because TB! having "run external program" action on the Filter). If anyone interest and wish to join (at least the idea), I or Allie can post what we have been tried (on TBBETA or TBTECH more approprite, I think). Oops I forgot I have discuss with Marck D. Pearlstone and David Elliott too last August, i.e. using Perl to do this things. TF> On the other hand, I also receive messages that are HTML only TF> (text/HTML isntead of Multipart/HTML). Would these be stripped TF> to... nothing? My wish would include to leave a plaintext version TF> (as generated by the viewer - remember our former discussion about TF> this) in the mail. I think *stripe out* is not good choise, HTML conversion is more approprite just like Listar did (in Listar term we called "humanize HTML", I like this term ^_^). With stripe out we will lose the text on pure HTML message. TF> Of course, the setting cannot be global, as you might need to TF> receive some mail in HTML, e.g. newsletters. So my suggestion TF> would be a filter item. I fully agree with you. -- Best regards, - Syafril - mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Flying with The Bat! 1.54 Beta/8 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Terrorist Attacks
Hi Jan Rifkinson, On Tuesday, September 11, 2001, 9:39:48 PM, you wrote to TB! User's List: > I pray no one, or anyone you know, was caught in > todays' terrorism attacks in New York & Wash, DC. I saw on TV here. My sympathy from Indonesia... -- Best regards, Syafrilmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[3]: Test
Hello Syafril, Thursday, September 06, 2001, 5:51:48 PM, you wrote to Syafril Hermansyah: SH>>> Please ignore, just test SH>> One more test, sorry. SH> Hopefully final test. No ? Aha ...this the last one! -- Best regards, Syafrilmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Test
Hello Peter, Thursday, September 06, 2001, 5:47:24 PM, you wrote to Syafril Hermansyah on TBTECH: PP> Normally I'd do so but have a look at the headers: SH>> List-help: <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=help>> PP> Seems '<<' confuses the ML-functionality in Beta/8 Correct, I put the help link between bracket, I do not aware that Listar also put the bracket too by default :-) Fixed now Thanks -- Best regards, Syafrilmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Test
Hello Syafril, Thursday, September 06, 2001, 5:44:52 PM, you wrote to Syafril Hermansyah: SH>> Please ignore, just test SH> One more test, sorry. Hopefully final test. -- Best regards, Syafrilmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Test
Hello Syafril, Thursday, September 06, 2001, 5:35:21 PM, you wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: SH> Please ignore, just test One more test, sorry. -- Best regards, Syafrilmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Test
Hello tbtech, Please ignore, just test -- Best regards, Syafril mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail Forwarder
Hi Gerry Doyon, Wednesday, May 02, 2001, 8:41:30 PM, you wrote to tbtECH: GD> Anywayis there an application out there, preferably free, that GD> can forward his e-mail to a dial-up account, or web e-mail account GD> while he is on the road? Looks ERC (Email Redirecting System) at http://www.chimera.co.nz, perhaps it will satisfy your needs. -- Kind regards, - Syafril - * Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL : <http://www.dutaint.co.id> * -- __ Archives : <http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com> Moderators : <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[4]: New questions.
Hello David Elliott, Responding your mail on Thursday, February 01, 2001 at 09:28:25 GMT + (which was 01/02/2001 16:28 GMT +0700 where you think I live) this is my answer inline your quote: DE> On 31 January 2001 at 19:04:31 +0700 (which was 12:04 where I live) words DE> of wisdom emanated from Syafril Hermansyah. >> Anyone else see that header too ? DE> Personally I see it on lots. Over 450 since 20 Jan. Thanks, hope I have made clarification on my last posting. -- Best regards, - Syafril - **** Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company: Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL: <http://www.dutaint.co.id> -- __ Archives : <http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com> Moderators : <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
List Administrator Note
Hello All, This message to clarify some confusing after the ListServer activate Reverse Lookup Anti Spamming. Currently I have activated "domain name checking" lookup only, either the sender/poster or HOST sender (as claim on HELO/EHLO command), if failed the ListServer will reject (terminate the connection at once). Even I activate Reverse Lookup and MAPS-RBL/ORBS (open relay) checking, but if this checking will *not* reject the message, only make a note/flag. If ListServer failed to Reverse Lookup sender ip address, you will see (additional) header as follow : X-Lookup-Warning: reverse lookup on original sender failed And, if ListServer find that your MailServer listed on MAPS-RBL/ORBS, you will see something like this : X-RBL-Warning: mail from xx.xx.xx.xx refused by ORBS, see http://www.orbs.org -- Best regards, - Syafril - **** Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company: Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL: <http://www.dutaint.co.id> -- __ Archives : <http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com> Moderators : <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Non Resolvable addresses
Hello Jamie Dainton [Bat], Responding your mail on Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 12:04:12 GMT + (which was 31/01/2001 19:04 GMT +0700 where you think I live) this is my answer inline your quote: JDB> After the V2 spoof have all non resolvable addresses been banned. Correct, but not fully block at the moment, the listserver only banned if sender HOST not using Real Domain or Sender Domain not real (resolvable). JDB> It seems that way as no mails from my smtp server (dynamic ip, JDB> homemade). Ask your ISP to give PTR record on each Dial Up number as example (get from Nick Andriash posting) : cr524204-a.rchmd1.bc.wave.home.com ([24.113.41.161]) or from Peter Steiner : pop-ls-9-5-1-dialup-3.freesurf.ch (HELO 194.230.245.3) those header mentioned that they use Dial Up, but the ip address resolvable. Other alternative, you can relay through your ISP SMTP server as now. JDB> Seem to get through anymore. As I mentioned above, the list only block for "Domain Name", while PTR record (if not resolvable) still get through (but with note/flags X-Lookup-Warning). JDB> I thought the plan was just to block localhost.localdomain so my JDB> athlon.dainton would get through. Use your complete domain dainton.org.uk instead of athlon.dainton, I guess it will pass by the server. -- Best regards, - Syafril - ******** Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company: Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL: <http://www.dutaint.co.id> -- __ Archives : <http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com> Moderators : <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: New questions.
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, Responding your mail on Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 11:07:45 GMT + (which was 31/01/2001 18:07 GMT +0700 where you think I live) this is my answer inline your quote: >> X-Lookup-Warning: reverse lookup on original sender failed MDP> has anything to do with it? Syafril - is there something going wrong MDP> in MDaemon when this header is inserted? I was *not* activate this (insert X-Lookup-Warning header) on dutaint.com, only dutaint.co.id use this. But, indeed, I activated Reverse Lookup for checking domain name and host of sender, while MAPS-RBL check only give a "flag header" if sender MTA listed on MAPS-RBL or ORBS. Anyone else see that header too ? -- Best regards, - Syafril - ******** Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company: Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL: <http://www.dutaint.co.id> -- __ Archives : <http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com> Moderators : <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 at 11:37:31 GMT +(which was 1/21/2001 6:37 PM where you think I live) you told to the list : [ ... ] MDP> I believe that Lija's point is that these headers are somewhat MDP> verbose, redundant and represent a theft of bandwidth, whether MDP> they are visible or not. And, do you know, I actually agree with MDP> (him?). BC>> I suspect Marck will be shooting this horse very soon. MDP> I am shooting the horse indeed, but only on TBUDL and not before MDP> saying that Lija has my full sympathy and I will be discussing MDP> the removal of these headers with Syafril as soon as he emerges. MDP> Their purpose is moot since TB doesn't support these list traffic MDP> headers. I just on-line (sorry in normal I was not on-line on Saturday/Sunday unless my pager beep due Server problem or Marck Wake Up me). Some part of the header for MTA Recipient purpose (especially for Postmaster) and me as List Manager just in case the delivering of the messages failed. When the message from the listserver distribute to final recipient, not always going stright to final MTA, sometimes goes first to Relayer (for example bigfoot account do like this). Some MTA tend to truncated the message content while the message header keep intact for further analysis or tracing who responsible when Delivery of message failed and to whom address the mail to fix the problem, if not they will treat the message came from the spammer (UCE) and make blocking (from ListServer POV, blocking is waste the bandwith resources :-(). Other part of headers is for our (ListServer) purpose. I can truncate some headers, such as Original Sender Route to this listserver such EZMLM ListServer did, but the weakness of this approach, if there is problem on message Delivery or others (such as Message Duplicating by Open Relay MTA etc), I the only one can find out the real problem (by reading ListServer logs), it's very hurt due the logs size sometimes more than 200 MB size/day and I am not always online. With current conditions, all list member can help me or Marck to find out what's the real problem. MDP> Having said that, they are part of a standard. I'm not sure if MDP> it's RFC - anyone know? If so, please reply on TBTECH only. RFC-2369, we discussed this long time ago on TBBETA list. Unfortunately our TB not supported this RFC yet, so TB can't utilize those kind of header (Pegasus is one of the mailer that support RFC-2369, if member of this list using Pegasus 3.x, he/she knows what I meant). -- Best regards, - Syafril - ..Opinion expressed are only mine ********* Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL : <http://www.dutaint.co.id> * Created : Sunday, January 21, 2001, 3:00:43 AM AM GMT +0700 -- __ Archives : <http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com> Moderators : <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: test
Hello Thomas, Responding your mail on Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 14:13:20 GMT +0800 (which was 18/01/2001 13:13 GMT +0700 where you think I live) this is my answer inline your quote: T>>> does this message get through? SH>> Sure it is :-) T> I got Brian's and your replies, but not my own message... ? Perhaps when you send the message, your membership just updated, so while listserver process, your address not carry with it. My listserver very busy lately, that's why I will make mirror when the time permit. -- Best regards, - Syafril - ******** Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company: Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL: <http://www.dutaint.co.id> -- __ Archives : <http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com> Moderators : <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re[2]: test
Hello Brian Clark, Responding your mail on Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 01:08:55 GMT -0500 (which was 18/01/2001 13:08 GMT +0700 where you think I live) this is my answer inline your quote: T>>> does this message get through? SH>> Sure it is :-) BC> Hmm.. How in the world did your reply to Thomas' email get outside of BC> the thread (and you're using TB!)? Am I going crazy? BC> (yes, I'm using threaded view by references) Ah found it, my ListServer overwrite the message-ID every poster to this list. Just fixed, sorry. -- Best regards, - Syafril - ******** Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company: Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL: <http://www.dutaint.co.id> -- __ Archives : <http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com> Moderators : <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re[2]: test
Hello Brian Clark, Responding your mail on Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 01:08:55 GMT -0500 (which was 18/01/2001 13:08 GMT +0700 where you think I live) this is my answer inline your quote: T>>> does this message get through? SH>> Sure it is :-) BC> Hmm.. How in the world did your reply to Thomas' email get outside of BC> the thread (and you're using TB!)? Am I going crazy? BC> (yes, I'm using threaded view by references) Don't know. I didn't create folder for [EMAIL PROTECTED] yet, so the message come to my Inbox, and I just click Reply. -- Best regards, - Syafril - ******** Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company: Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL: <http://www.dutaint.co.id> -- __ Archives : <http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com> Moderators : <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: More on Quick Template..
Hello Januk Aggarwal, Responding to your article on Wed, 17 Jan 2001 at 21:38:11 GMT -0800 (which was 18/01/2001 12:38 GMT +0700 my Local Time) : JA>>> I'm posting this to TBTECH as well. Further discussion should JA>>> probably continue there. TF>> Thanks; I'm waiting for it to come through on TBTECH and will reply TF>> there. JA> Hmm, my posts are getting bounced from that list. Perhaps we can take JA> this to TBOT or finish it here until the list is working correctly. What's bounce message you got ? Is it you're not member etc ? -- Best regards, - Syafril - ******** Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company: Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL: <http://www.dutaint.co.id> Using The Bat! 1.49c under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 Created : Thursday, January 18, 2001, 13:05:47 GMT +0700 -- __ Archives : <http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com> Moderators : <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: test
Hello Thomas, Responding your mail on Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 13:42:05 GMT +0800 (which was 18/01/2001 12:42 GMT +0700 where you think I live) this is my answer inline your quote: T> does this message get through? Sure it is :-) -- Best regards, - Syafril - Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company: Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL: <http://www.dutaint.co.id> -- __ Archives : <http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com> Moderators : <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
