Re: Bat! not allowing me to delete, some folders screwed up
Hallo David, On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:39:38 -0600GMT (23-3-2005, 14:39 +0100, where I live), you wrote: RO Close TB and delete the messages.tbi files for the problematic RO folders. Restart TB and see whether it helped. D I did that, and it fixed the problem with the folder that had the D subject lines and timing all messed up. Thanks! One down D However, it did not help at all with the problem of not being able to D delete messages. Argh!! and one to go... D Any thoughts on that problem? Actually I expected that this problem would be cured by the same remedy, but let's try something (a little) different: Create a new folder Copy all messages from your problem folder to the new one Close TB Replace the messages.tbb and .tbi files in your problem folder with those in your new folder Start TB and see if you can delete messages now When this doesn't fix the problem, delete the problem folder and rename your new folder (with all the messages) to the old name BTW You wouldn't have problems with some virus infected attachment in that folder, would you? In that case your virus scanner might be interfering. D Also, fyi, I'm running the Bat! on Windows ME (out of necessity, rather D than preference, mind you). That should not matter. -- Groetjes, Roelof Veni, Vidi, VCR - I came, I saw, I videotaped it The Bat! 3.0.9.9 Return (pre-beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bat! not allowing me to delete, some folders screwed up
Something happened to the bat! to me last night when my laptop powered down - it's all higgledy piggledy. Most of the folders are okay, but: 1. a couple folders (including the inbox folders on two accounts) were corrupted. The Bat! gave me the error message, and kept asking me if I wanted to fix them, I kept saying yes, and it would say it was doing something, but it never actually did anything and just sat there with that maintenance window showing no progress or anything happening. Very annoying. 2. At least one folder is corrupted (though The Bat! does not tell me that it is so), because a whole slew of old messages in that folder (and two new messages from today) have, in the message list window, lost their subject lines, and have a creation and receive date of Dec. 30, 1899. The messages themselves still have subject lines and the correct dates in the headers; they're just being shown stupidly in the message list window. I tried maintenance on that folder, and The Bat! told me that nothing needs to be done. 3. A number of folders now refuse to allow me to delete any messages. Doesn't matter if I delete by clicking the trash can icon, or use the del key, or right click on delete message. Anyone have any idea on what's happening and how I can fix it? This is really, really obnoxiously bothersome. I'm using version 2.12.00 Thanks in advance! -- David Written Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 11:08:18 PM Certainly virtue is like precious odours, most fragrant when they are incensed, or crushed: for prosperity doth best discover vice, but adversity doth best discover virtue. - Francis Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter (Regular Expression) Me and Only ME
This morning after I checked my mail, I noticed that this filter zapped 53 pieces of spam! (I have a folder just for this filter) The bats filters are fast, I've noticed that theBat can filter spam just a quick as the go-between spam filters. I liked SpamPal, but thats just one more piece of software that I'll have to figure out and tweak. Maybe theBat could improve its filters by implementing something like SpamPal into theBat. -- Best Regards, ~John - - - Peter Palmreuther wrote - - - (.+@.+[,;].*[EMAIL PROTECTED])|([EMAIL PROTECTED]*[,;].+@.+) - - - End of Peter Palmreuther's message - - - Current version is 1.61 | Using TBTECH information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filter (Regular Expression) Me and Only ME
Friday, February 7, 2003, 11:07:21 AM, you wrote: Maybe theBat could improve its filters by implementing something like SpamPal into theBat. I would rather they bought a special license from the guy that did JBMail, and use it as a plugin..just the logic parts that include 'pattern matching' of certain lines in the header, for 'black' and 'white' pattern matching and also black and white lists, which work like a check and cover for each other. The pattern matching cleans up what the list can't 'read' together the system is 100% reliable. Don't forget to put Big5 in your blacklist to catch 99% of the Asian spam. I don't think it would be much of an addition to the size of TB as the whole program (without it's .ini file) is just over 100/Kb. It has the advantage of listing all one's mails on the remote server, and in the process highlighting everything it sees that isn't in your 'whitelist' and so then you just have a look and make sure your son-in-law's brother (the one with the hotmail.com address) is not listed among the spammers; then hit the delete key, and hundreds of unwanted junk joins the ether in seconds; download what's left to TB. C.K. - TB 1.63/Beta5 on win98se Current version is 1.61 | Using TBTECH information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter (Regular Expression) Me and Only ME
Hello ~John, On Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:35:20 -0600 you wrote: Now I can safely say that I am close to spam free, while only using theBat! filters! I am sure you must have a reason to have your date set to 5 years ago. With this, my systems regards all your messages as SPAM. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBTECH information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter (Regular Expression) Me and Only ME
Thanks Peter! This seems to do the trick... I knew someone could figure this out, I was about to pull my hair out. Do you have any other regex filters that you could share with me? thanks again, I really do appreciate your help, as well as the others who tried to help me. I would also recommend this filter to everyone else that are trying to setup spam filters! -- Best Regards, ~John - - - Peter Palmreuther wrote - - - On Friday, February 6, 1998 at 4:27:39 AM you [~] wrote (at least in part): I created this Only Me filter: Move to Not to me folder , [EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED], Location : Recipient Presence : Yes ~ Crap! I doesn't work either I still need help. Give this a try: (.+@.+[,;].*[EMAIL PROTECTED])|([EMAIL PROTECTED]*[,;].+@.+) Location: Recipient Presence: Yes Regular Expression: Yes Untested, but could work. Your expression missed the fact your address could be in angel brackets and there don't need to be a space between comma and your address. Additionally a semicolon could be used as delimiter. The expression above checks for a seems to be an e-mail-address either before or behind your own address, delimited by a comma or semicolon. Quite far from being perfect, but might help as a first step. - - - End of Peter Palmreuther's message - - - Current version is 1.61 | Using TBTECH information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter (Regular Expression) Me and Only ME
Hi ~John, On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:55:23 -0600 ~John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give this a try: (.+@.+[,;].*[EMAIL PROTECTED])|([EMAIL PROTECTED]*[,;].+@.+) Location: Recipient Presence: Yes Regular Expression: Yes Thanks Peter! This seems to do the trick... I knew someone could figure this out, I was about to pull my hair out. Do you have any other regex filters that you could share with me? I have tons of regular expressions, as I need them on a daily basis ... albeit not for The Bat! but my job :-) Regular expressions are most the time situation related: name me your problem and there will (probably) be a regular expression. The other way round is seldom the way of luck :-) I would also recommend this filter to everyone else that are trying to setup spam filters! I'd recommend a good AntiSpam tool hooked before The Bat! for those wanting to filter spam effectivly. The filters hooking on sender or recipient of a mail have their boundaries. Some earlier, some a little later. A more global anti spam technology is using something like SpamPal or SpamAssassin. The latter catches 98% of spam I get (some are simply to short for being successfully recognized) and 1-2 false positives a week. The false positives only come because I'm to lazy to put those newletters in my white list :-) -- Pit Current version is 1.61 | Using TBTECH information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filter (Regular Expression) Me and Only ME
Thursday, February 6, 2003, 8:55:23 AM, you wrote: Thanks Peter! This seems to do the trick. Regular expressions are tricky to write and revealing in their complexity as to who's good at them and who's not and why that is. There's a 'strong' community of posters here that take a keen interest in the power of regex and all it can do but for spam why have to download all that (sometimes hundreds of messages, some with attachments) before one's well crafted regex filters can do their job? Why not be able to use TB as a 'viewer' of the remote server and zap the spam there, before getting the mail you want? I know however, if you are hosting your own domain and the spam was coming to 'your' server then of course what's already in your house so to speak regex filters would be the way to deal with it. I don't think, however this is the way it is for the majority of TB users. If I had the best regex for all spam possibilities, I would still be waiting a long time to download this crap (as it were) before the regex(s) filters could do their work. This is just more aggravation to an already slow Internet connection. I use a small program to display the headers which by it's methods, highlight the spam so it can be deleted with one click; This, for even hundreds of unwanted messages, can be accomplished in under a minute with a typical modem connection. After that I bring up TB hit F2 and download the stuff I want. This is the way I deal with spam. C.K. - TB 1.63/Beta5 on win98se Current version is 1.61 | Using TBTECH information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filter, To: Me, and only me, no-one else in the to line ?
Hello ~John, Wednesday, February 4, 1998, 9:15:20 PM, you wrote: ~ Here are some examples of some of the spam that has been getting too me, ~ it is ones that has my email address along with several others in the ~ to: and CC: fields, ~ probabaly all of which are fake: ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] i wonder why they put fake email addresses in spam? what's the point? -- Best regards, Lauramailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBTECH information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Filter, To: Me, and only me, no-one else in the to line ?
Hello Laura, On February 05, 2003, at 5:30 AM, you [L] wrote (at least in part): ~ Here are some examples of some of the spam that has been getting ~ too me, it is ones that has my email address along with several ~ others in the to: and CC: fields, probabaly all of which are ~ fake: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] L i wonder why they put fake email addresses in spam? what's the L point? Could it be a dictionary attack? That is, could they be sending out to many addresses based on a Dictionary of highly probable names. The fact that you received the e-mail shows at least some success, if we can call it that, for the spammer. -- Best regards, John Thomas Current version is 1.61 | Using TBTECH information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filter (Regular Expression) Me and Only ME
I have been getting allot of Spam here lately that is addressed to me along with several random or generated e-mail addresses. So my question is, how do I create a filter that will trash any e-mail to me [in either the To: or CC:] that has my address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) listed with *any* other e-mail address. This is tricky, because the filter has to catch the e-mail whether or not my e-mail address is listed first,last, or in the middle. So In other words I want the filter to allow mail to my inbox that is addressed to me and *only* me. Other e-mail, such as lists will be filtered to the appropriate folder prior to this filter, so that I won't miss any list mail. (I'm CC'ing this to TBTECH just in case its too complicated for TBUDL) But I'm hoping someone, somewhere can tell me how to do this, I think it would be a helpful filter for everyone as well. -- Best Regards, ~John Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Programs running in the background: Grisoft AVG:6.0.449 Database:251 (last updated 1/27/03) ZoneAlarm ... Current version is 1.61 | Using TBTECH information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter (Regular Expression) Me and Only ME
I did it! I did it! Here is how I done it, I was trying too hard. I created this Only Me filter: Move to Not to me folder , [EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED], Location : Recipient Presence : Yes and placed it last in the list, I moved my Known filter to directly above my Only Me filter, and unchecked the continue to process check box, so that ones from my address book can place my address in a string with others, but no one else can. Now I can safely say that I am close to spam free, while only using theBat! filters! -- Best Regards, ~John - - - ~John wrote - - - I have been getting allot of Spam here lately that is addressed to me along with several random or generated e-mail addresses. So my question is, how do I create a filter that will trash any e-mail to me [in either the To: or CC:] that has my address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) listed with *any* other e-mail address. This is tricky, because the filter has to catch the e-mail whether or not my e-mail address is listed first,last, or in the middle. So In other words I want the filter to allow mail to my inbox that is addressed to me and *only* me. Other e-mail, such as lists will be filtered to the appropriate folder prior to this filter, so that I won't miss any list mail. (I'm CC'ing this to TBTECH just in case its too complicated for TBUDL) But I'm hoping someone, somewhere can tell me how to do this, I think it would be a helpful filter for everyone as well. -- Best Regards, ~John Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Programs running in the background: Grisoft AVG:6.0.449 Database:251 (last updated 1/27/03) ZoneAlarm ... - - - End of ~John's message - - - Current version is 1.61 | Using TBTECH information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter, To: Me, and only me, no-one else in the to line ?
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In mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
~john [j] wrote:'
String: ^To:.*?pagemaker@semo\.net.*\n^(CC|Subject)
Location: Kludges
Presence: Yes
Enable Regular Expression.
j This one doesn't work either, it filters on valid e-mail with only my
j email in the to: line.
Writing these regular expressions to make them catch exactly what you
wish to can be tricky.
You're right that it will do what you say it does.
You could use two alternative strings:
The first will catch any message with a To header field that has
multiple addresses with your address being the first to be listed.
String: ^To:\s*\S+.*?pagemaker@semo\.net.*\n^(CC|Subject)
Location: Kludges
Presence: Yes
The second will catch any message with a To header field that has
multiple addresses with your address being not the first to be
listed.
String: ^To:\s*pagemaker@semo\.net\s*\S+.*\n^(CC|Subject)
Location: Kludges
Presence: Yes
I can't think of a way to consolidate the two into a single expression.
If you're subscribed to TBTECH, you could post this query there and see
what the regex gurus there will come up with. I'll cross post this there
for a start.
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Re: Filter, To: Me, and only me, no-one else in the to line ?
Here are some examples of some of the spam that has been getting too me, it is ones that has my email address along with several others in the to: and CC: fields, probabaly all of which are fake: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] So my question is how do I set a regular expression filter that will send these messages to the trash if my email address appears in a string like the one above or this one below: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please help me with this one, it is tricky! Thanks Allie for your help already. -- ~John Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Programs running in the background: Grisoft AVG:6.0.449 Database:251 (last updated 1/27/03) ZoneAlarm Current version is 1.61 | Using TBTECH information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[2]: Is it me or ....
On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:07:11 -0500 Douglas Hinds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dunno. Let's look at it. None of us were unsubscribed from TBTech, which suffered the same condition except the message flow is much less. This indicates that a higher message flow (i.e. TBUDL) requires a higher bounce rate / automatic subscription cancellation mechanism. Yes, and I did make differentiation. You will not lose any messages. Any message sent to your account during this outage will be delivered to your account. OK, they lied. Not really lied on purpose, base on the bounce message I got the message route/forward to other server (maybe his backup server), and forgot to recreate the same account (or late to create, while new messages already coming in). Gary Lucas' suggestion: It seems like it would be better to use a criteria like bounces on three separate days without a reset, rather than on a strict 15 bounce count. seems good to me. A 20 bounce limit, and 3-days reset would not have lasted the weekend, except for those subscribing to the TBUDL-Digest (if there is one). Obviously, when a server is down, the number of bounces is directly related to the number of messages sent. Seems you have answer your questions : you already know that myrealbox.com will go to maintenance mode for 2-days or more, why not change your subcription to digest or set on vacation (the procedure to do that already mention on Welcome text) ? I've got 50mb of space on two prodigy.net.mx accounts that no longer work w/ dutaint. I just sent you a test message from one of them, which went through OK on this end, and that's how I used to be subscribed. I just got the Sorry, your e-mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not listed as a Member or Moderator of this List reply, so it looks like that is another option. There is a lot of bounce for prodigy.net.mx in the past, so list server bounce watcher has unsubscribe it automatically. Why we must force membership to stay, while we can not distribute any single message to them, it is a waste of resources. In any case, let us know what you decide. I will not change anything for now, the bounce watcher already in place since beginning we use Listar (even while we still using MDaemon long time ago), last week we just make it more accurate while detect the bouncing, that's all. -- syafril --- Syafril Hermansyah[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re[2]: Is it me or ....
On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:07:02 +0700 Syafril Hermansyah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ ...] A 20 bounce limit, and 3-days reset would not have lasted the weekend, except for those subscribing to the TBUDL-Digest (if there is one). Obviously, when a server is down, the number of bounces is directly related to the number of messages sent. Seems you have answer your questions : you already know that myrealbox.com will go to maintenance mode for 2-days or more, why not change your subcription to digest or set on vacation (the procedure to do that already mention on Welcome text) ? Hmm...I have idea, how if we change the procedure to automatically going to vacation for 14-days instead of unsubscribe. I did it for mahawarman.net list (hosting also on this server). The objective still remain : save resources. -- syafril --- Syafril Hermansyah[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it me or ....
Hello Syafril, On Saturday, August 3, 2002 at 3:14:40 PM you [SH] wrote (at least in part): SH Hmm...I have idea, how if we change the procedure to automatically SH going to vacation for 14-days instead of unsubscribe. That's exactly what I wanted to suggest after reading this thread. I don't know the ratio of 'bounces because server failure' versus 'bounces because e-mail-address got really killed', but I'd guess it's pro '(temporary) server failure', so setting vacation would be a good compromise. -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) I promise I'll get back on topic, I swear! ;-) __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it me or ....
On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:51:00 +0200 Peter Palmreuther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SH Hmm...I have idea, how if we change the procedure to automatically SH going to vacation for 14-days instead of unsubscribe. That's exactly what I wanted to suggest after reading this thread. I don't know the ratio of 'bounces because server failure' versus 'bounces because e-mail-address got really killed', but I'd guess it's pro '(temporary) server failure', so setting vacation would be a good compromise. Nowadays, it is rare MTA that generate temporary failure notice (as Sendmail has), most of the time Non Delivery failure only generate when fatal failure happen. OK, I will talk to Moderators Team, and will change the setting if they agree :-) -- syafril --- Syafril Hermansyah[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[4]: Is it me or ....
Hi Syafril, I just noticed your note written Saturday, August 3, 2002, stating: SH ... you already know that myrealbox.com will go to maintenance SH mode for 2-days or more, why not change your subcription to SH digest or set on vacation (the procedure to do that already SH mention on Welcome text)? Syafril, you are absolutely right - except that according to the myrealbox notice, the only change expected was a delay in access to mail that was supposedly received. Given the sequel that ensued, that's exactly what I'll do next time around. I've got 50mb of space on two prodigy.net.mx accounts that no longer work w/ dutaint. I just sent you a test message from one of them, which went through OK on this end, and that's how I used to be subscribed. I just got the Sorry, your e-mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not listed as a Member or Moderator of this List reply, so it looks like that is another option. SH There is a lot of bounce for prodigy.net.mx in the past, so list server SH bounce watcher has unsubscribe it automatically. Why we must force SH membership to stay, while we can not distribute any single message to SH them, it is a waste of resources. Before upgrading computers hard disk capacities I quit downloading from the single prodigy.net.mx account I had then and when I finally did download over 6 thousand messages came in, mostly from TB and Opera-users. IOW, _I_ may have been responsible for for those prodigy.net.mx bounces during those months. In view of the possibility of putting TB!'s dutaint based lists on vacation, you might want to consider allowing prodigy.net.mx users back in on a trial basis. TB! lists are filtered there anyway and I keep forgetting to change the account to mrb on composing sending. Maybe if I identified the TB! directory as mrb.com TB! would do that for me. There is probably a way to do a TB! template that does that, also. Douglas __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Is it me or ....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Saturday, August 03, 2002 12:31:03 PM RE: Is it me or Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings Syafril, On Friday, August 2, 2002, 11:56:51 AM, you wrote: Syafril Correct. Syafril In the past bounce message from myrealbox.com not recognize well by Syafril Listar bounce watcher, now it work perfectly as it should. Syafril If listar bounce watcher receive more than 15 bounce from specific Syafril address, she will unsubscribe automatically. Syafril The counter will reset to 0 (zero) if these conditions occurs : Syafril 1. Any successful delivery. Syafril 2. No list traffic in 7-days (means no bounce at all) :-) You just answered my question. Myrealbox was down for maintenance beginning Friday, 26 July and came back up on Monday, 29 July. They assured me no mail would be bounced during this period but, alas, I guess they were wrong. Thanks. - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. PGP Key http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze2zxyn/pubring.pkr The programmer's national anthem is ''. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 9.0b1 iQA/AwUBPUwGAIltdOMeoDcuEQJungCeLMdS0lbwvduXnZ2feE8HlOWgp2UAoOg9 Z2l9dPIsCAWxzowppR0qr/BM =Te8R -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it me or ....
On Friday, August 02, 2002, Syafril Hermansyah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SH In the past bounce message from myrealbox.com not recognize well by SH Listar bounce watcher, now it work perfectly as it should. SH If listar bounce watcher receive more than 15 bounce from specific SH address, she will unsubscribe automatically. SH The counter will reset to 0 (zero) if these conditions occurs : SH 1. Any successful delivery. SH 2. No list traffic in 7-days (means no bounce at all) :-) Hi, Saturday, August 03, 2002 11:34 It seems like it would be better to use a criteria like bounces on three separate days without a reset, rather than on a strict 15 bounce count. If a mail service was down for a couple of hours before it got corrected (say it never happens) and during that time there were more than 15 separate messages (like often happens in a run on TBUDL)--it seems like that would produce a lot of false unsubscribes. Both Raftery and I appear to have been unsubscribed on TBUDL without any knowledge that our service has been bouncing mail. -- Gary -- Using TheBat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it me or ....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Gary Lucas [GL] wrote: GL It seems like it would be better to use a criteria like bounces GL on three separate days without a reset, rather than on a strict GL 15 bounce count. If a mail service was down for a couple of hours GL before it got corrected (say it never happens) and during that GL time there were more than 15 separate messages (like often happens GL in a run on TBUDL)--it seems like that would produce a lot of GL false unsubscribes. Three days is on the excessive side though I do see your point. I'd more go for 100% bounces over a 24 hour period. But then this could potentially lead to bandwidth wastage on the part of the list host having to be receiving 100 bounced over a 24 hour period. It's therefore really up to Syafril to decide what limits to set. - -- -=Allie C Martin=- List Moderator | TB! v1.61 | Windows XP Pro PGP/GPG Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=2B0717E2 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.91 (Win32) iD8DBQE9TAnHV8nrYCsHF+IRAhc7AJ46nSjZpZ7DHRMEflG+raXZUq7V8wCg4KNZ STF1ah2S44MgBm3NuyyaWC4= =MOrZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it me or ....
On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:50:14 -0500 Allie C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GL It seems like it would be better to use a criteria like bounces GL on three separate days without a reset, rather than on a strict GL 15 bounce count. If a mail service was down for a couple of hours GL before it got corrected (say it never happens) and during that GL time there were more than 15 separate messages (like often happens GL in a run on TBUDL)--it seems like that would produce a lot of GL false unsubscribes. TBUDL having 20 bounce limit, and 3-days reset instead of 15 bounce/7-days. Day by day I will evaluate if any changes needed I will change it. Three days is on the excessive side though I do see your point. I'd more go for 100% bounces over a 24 hour period. But then this could potentially lead to bandwidth wastage on the part of the list host having to be receiving 100 bounced over a 24 hour period. It's therefore really up to Syafril to decide what limits to set. Yeah, bandwidth waste is my concern, any single bounce will reroute to me, Marck and Flash. -- syafril --- Syafril Hermansyah[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Known Inbox Deleted by silly person (me)
Hello Peter, Thanks so much! I super duper appreciate it :) Elli [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Wednesday, April 17, 2002, 12:16:45 PM, you wrote: PM Hi Elli, PM on Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:53:32 -0700GMT (which was 17.04.02, 20:53 +0200GMT PM where I live), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : E Is there a way that anyone knows to recreate the Known box? Or do I just E make one and name it that and hope it works? PM Yes, there is. Right-click the account -- New -- Folder. Name it $known$. PM That's it. :-) __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: OT:Help me..
Hi Jan, The koffee [sic] command can only be effected by one of the more complex shortcut keystroke sets ever constructed by RIT Labs. CTRLALTSHFTkESCF12 Complex? I can do it with one hand and still have 1 finger free ;) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.60c __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT:Help me..
Hello Allie! On Friday, March 29, 2002 at 1:45:38 AM you wrote: :-) Are you saying they don't help to convey meaning and that they shouldn't be used? So much of communication is conveyed by facial expressions and body language. We can't do much about the body language but the little smileys and winking smileys can go a long way. No. I haven't and I won't. I just conveyed that you can go a long way without all those (other) visuals. As you know I sometimes use smileys myself. And not too long ago it would have been better to do so in a message to you, as you will remember. I have nothing against visuals and formatting - by far not - but it is always a good idea to think first and then try to use as much as needed and as little as possible. One kind of application for Ockam's Razor. Happy Easter! -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60c on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Why don't you ever see the headline, Psychic Wins Lottery? __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: OT:Help me..
28.03.2002 Jernej Simoni [The Bat! (v1.60) Educational] a scris despre: OT:Help me.. JS Wait for The Bat! 2.0 - it's said to implement JS HTML editing (and AFAIK 1.60 is the final JS version before 2.0). Oh, no! Did you hear right? Is The Bat transforming itself into a fatty attrocity like Netscape??? With embedded RealPlayer maybe? Image Editor perhaps? -- Greetings, 1ns0mn1amailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] using The Bat v1.60 on a Windows 98 4 (Build ) box Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future. -Oscar Wilde __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT:Help me..
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:38:38 +0100, Dierk Haasis [DH] wrote these comments: ... DH Happy Easter! The same to you and all who celebrate it. - -- Allie C Martin List Moderator and fellow end user PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ TB! v1.60c Windows XP 5.1.2600 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAjykRUsACgkQV8nrYCsHF+L67ACg4+Kb34W5glSYPqu3Fq6qjCzL +nYAn094e7mmiZT/I87gGnQs/t7WxuNl =KW3r -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT:Help me..
On Friday, March 29, 2002, 11:05:20 AM, Miguel A. Urech wrote: I couldn't find the option in the Menu Navigator. Do you know what's the keyboard shortcut for coffee? ;-) ctrl * $$ -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.60c on Windows XP version 5,1 __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT:Help me..
Hello Miguel. At 12:05 PM on Friday, March 29, 2002 you wrote the following about [OT:Help me..]: Miguel I couldn't find the option in the Menu Navigator. Do Miguel you know what's the keyboard shortcut for coffee? Actually this command doesn't appear anywhere in the menu structure so the Menu Navigator wouldn't do you any good in this case. The koffee [sic] command can only be effected by one of the more complex shortcut keystroke sets ever constructed by RIT Labs. CTRLALTSHFTkESCF12 HTH -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.60c/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT:Help me..
Hello Graham, 28. marec 2002, 14:51:11, you wrote: GF I'm waking up at night, dreaming of writing fancy e-mails. HTML GF e-mails with colours and embedded pictures. Is it just a phase I'll GF grow out of?.. or is it terminal requiring a new e-mail client, like GF Netscape mail or Pocomail. Wait for The Bat! 2.0 - it's said to implement HTML editing (and AFAIK 1.60 is the final version before 2.0). -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.60 on Windows 98 4.10.. A ] Toothache tends to start on Saturday night. -- Johnson-Laird's Law __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT:Help me..
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 @ 15:04:27 +0100 [ Thu, 28 Mar 2002], Dierk Haasis [DH] contributed this to our collective wisdom: ... DH Hope that helps. Notice that I haven't used any of these visually DH techniques usually used in e-mails - like smileys, asterisks or DH underscores. :-) Are you saying they don't help to convey meaning and that they shouldn't be used? So much of communication is conveyed by facial expressions and body language. We can't do much about the body language but the little smileys and winking smileys can go a long way. - -- Allie C Martin -- List Moderator PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [MUA: TB! v1.60c (*) OS: Windows XP 5.1.2600] __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAjyjuTMACgkQV8nrYCsHF+KfEgCgitJFEnzSH1bvF30urifTiHBQ j9MAoOo5z/cO8DeKytcjad+HpY5wKA+J =+gxV -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please, help me to catch a bug in backup procedure
Hello Andrew, On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:40:40 +0300 (21.02.2001 14:40 my local time) you wrote about "Please, help me to catch a bug in backup procedure" at least in part: AKLbut cannot be reproduced by RITLabs guys (TB 1.49e, Win98 SE). "c" and "f" on Win98, "e" on Win95 b - to my _non-reproducable_ list added AKL 5. While the backup process goes (that is just after the step 3 is AKL fulfilled), clicking on the cross in the upper right corner of the AKL dialog will close the dialog, but won't stop the backup process AKL itself. If TB is closed, you'll get a broken backup archive. ~~~ YES!!! We can't think instead of user, I believe AKL This step wasn't yet tested by RITLabs. Tested. Really - doesn't stop, but I done test 3 times and all 3 times got good acrchive -- Best regards, Alexander Leschinsky -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Please, help me to catch a bug in backup procedure
Hi Alexander, On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:53:29 +0500GMT (22/02/2001, 16:53 +0800GMT), Alexander Leschinsky wrote: AKL 5. While the backup process goes (that is just after the step 3 is AKL fulfilled), clicking on the cross in the upper right corner of the AKL dialog will close the dialog, but won't stop the backup process AKL itself. If TB is closed, you'll get a broken backup archive. AL ~~~ YES!!! We can't think instead of user, I AL believe When mail ich checking and you attempt to close by clicking on the X in the upper right-hand corner, TB will simply not close. Annoys me sometimes; however, with a backup process running, TB should really also not close. Just my 0.02 worth. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Please, help me to catch a bug in backup procedure
Hello!
I've run against a bug, that is steadily reproduced on my two home
machines (Win95 OSR2 and Win98 SE) on any 1.49 version of TB (1.49, c,
e, f), but cannot be reproduced by RITLabs guys (TB 1.49e, Win98 SE).
Here are the steps to reproduce the bug:
1. Tools|Backup
2. Click Ok, type in a file name ("1", for example), Click on Save
3. Now mark the biggest account you have (mine is 169 folders, 12880
messages) and click Ok. The backup process should begin.
4. And here is the bug description: when I click on the Cancel button,
and then choose "No, I don't want to cancel the Backup process", two
bad things happen:
a. The Cancel button stops working. If I click again on Cancel,
nothing happens.
b. The name of "Backup" page appears on top of the dialog. If I
click on it, the first page (where we select what to backup, the
method, etc.) appears. And there is no way to return to the
"Statistics" page.
None of these two things could be reproduced by RITLabs. It's obvious
I'm missing something. What is the missing step?
5. While the backup process goes (that is just after the step 3 is
fulfilled), clicking on the cross in the upper right corner of the
dialog will close the dialog, but won't stop the backup process
itself. If TB is closed, you'll get a broken backup archive.
This step wasn't yet tested by RITLabs.
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Re: Please, help me to catch a bug in backup procedure
[crossposted to [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Hi Andrew, On Wed, 21 Feb 2001. at 12:40:40 (your local time), you wrote: AKL I've run against a bug, that is steadily reproduced on my two home AKL machines (Win95 OSR2 and Win98 SE) on any 1.49 version of TB (1.49, c, AKL e, f), but cannot be reproduced by RITLabs guys (TB 1.49e, Win98 SE). I use Win95 OSR2 Pan-Europian Edition. AKL 4. And here is the bug description: when I click on the Cancel button, AKL and then choose "No, I don't want to cancel the Backup process", two AKL bad things happen: AKL a. The Cancel button stops working. If I click again on Cancel, AKL nothing happens. Confirmed. AKL b. The name of "Backup" page appears on top of the dialog. If I AKL click on it, the first page (where we select what to backup, the AKL method, etc.) appears. And there is no way to return to the AKL "Statistics" page. Confirmed. AKL None of these two things could be reproduced by RITLabs. It's obvious AKL I'm missing something. What is the missing step? I believe you (and me) did backup procedure correctly... there were no missing steps. AKL 5. While the backup process goes (that is just after the step 3 is AKL fulfilled), clicking on the cross in the upper right corner of the AKL dialog will close the dialog, but won't stop the backup process AKL itself. If TB is closed, you'll get a broken backup archive. Confirmed... and btw, tested 3 times in 3 slightly changed ways, and ALL 3 archives were broken!!! -- Best regards, Lija Using The Bat! v1.49 on Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
