Re[2]: storing mail
hallo Paula! on Friday, March 03, 2000, 7:28:09 AM, you wrote: PF On Thursday, March 02, 2000, Patrick Erler wrote: you MUST try Zoot for storing mail! its somehow cool.. just try it! http://www.zootsoftware.com/z4intro.htm file|import|mail PF I looked at the web site, but I don't see an explanation of how it can PF be used to store mail from anything but Outlook. Could you explain? it simply sucks (or zoots as they say) anything in, via clipboard, outlook synchronization or import (and zoot even knows which website i vistited, no matter if with opera or explorer... cool). as import options you have newsgroup and email. it looks like it is quite format-independent. it just extracts the infomration it needs... the lack of a help-file is quite problem, but you can download an archive which puts their knowledge-base and their mailing-list into zoot. what is simple impresive is that almost every queston people ask is answered with "yes, do it like this.." and almost never with "we plan this for the next release". another megaplus is that almost every function has a hotkey. since yesterday i simple suck all information i find into zoot and later, when i like, i organize them into projects and folders or find them with their superfast searchengine. its a dream... PAT -- vcard/LDAP/PGP public key: http://dresden-online.com/~perler/identity.html PGP fingerprint: DAC6 2FDA 1ED7 AD55 BD1F 5142 3D5F 72BF -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Nicknames, Favourites and Auto-Completion
Hello List, Friday, 3. March 2000 at 08:16:36 Steve wrote: Thursday, March 02, 2000, 9:52:10 PM, Oleg wrote: You can just enter a nick in the TO: field and forget it. It will be expanded by TB! to address while sending message. Incorrect. Last time I checked it only expands names when you leave the field in question. If you enter a nick and hit F2 without leaving the field it will not expand but it will try to send. Furthermore there are some other oddities with the TO-field and the nicks. In most cases I use a person's first name as nick. When entering the nick in the field after a second or so, the bat completes the name with an entry from the history. You can avoid this by leaving the field before that mentionend second. Often this doesn't matter as the completed name is the one you want. But in that case it doesn't change the capitalization. Since I usually enter the nicks in small letters only, a completed address then has the first name starting with a small letter and the middle/last names are with capital letters as entered in the addressbook. Another thing is that you have to seperate several nicks/addresses by ";". Otherwise the nicks won't expand. When just entering comlete addresses a "," works fine, too. so long Tobias -- Tobias Wrede Ford stood up. "We're safe," he said. "Oh good," said Arthur. "We're in a small galley cabin," said Ford, "in one of the spaceships of the Vogon Constructor Fleet." "Ah," said Arthur, "this is obviously some strange usage of the word safe that I wasn't previously aware of." (from D. Adams: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Nicknames, Favourites and Auto-Completion
Don, Regarding your message dated: Friday, March 03, 2000... DT Hi everyone, DT I'm wondering what Nicknames (Handles) and Favourites are used for DT within TheBat! Nicknames are used as shortcuts to people's email addresses. There are problems with the way it works and rather than describe in full those shortcomings I will attach a previous reply made by Jast to a similar enquiry I made on the subject. Favourites is another shortcut feature that works in a slightly different way. If you place the mouse cursor in one of the address fields of the compose window (To:, CC:, BCC:) and right-click then a menu appears. At the bottom of the menu will be attached the names/email addresses of your favourites. Selecting one of these from the menu will enter the relevant details into the address field. To reinforce what I've just said, go to your address book and pick out someone who you may like to regard as a favourite. 'Tick' the favourite box for this person and then go back to the bat and open up a 'compose new message' window. Place the cursor over the To: field, right-click and when the menu appears you should see that the person you have just selected to be a favourite appears on the bottom of that menu. One final point to mention on this subject is that if the address-book entry of the person you selected as a favourite appears in a sub-address-book of your main address book (I think in Bat parlance this is called a "group") then when you right-click in the compose window address field you will instead see a sub-menu titled with the group-name and your favourite person will appear inside that sub menu. I hope this proved useful - and the attached earlier message about nicknames etc... from Jast is below... Cheers, Mark I am used to Netscape Messenger's pinpoint addressing where you begin to enter a recipient's email address and then complete it using the tab-key. The client matches against either real or nick names and shows abbreviated lists when there are multiple matches. I have found that The Bat is much more fussy as to when it auto-completes a name. Pressing tab rarely works and the stated function-key (ctrl+) works in only a fey cases. I believe it works mostly correctly here: a) a phrase is auto-completed without additional keyboard intervention if it appears in the drop-down list of the address field. b) a phrase is auto-completed from the address book if entered incompletely (at least 4 letters) and you change focus to another field. This only works when entering part of a real name or the full handle. c) press Ctrl-Plus: auto-complete from the address book by entering any number of letters and go to next address containing these letters at the start when pressing continually. This will also complete email addresses you start to type without the name put in. Situations under which this does not work (bugs AFAICS): b) won't complete names shorter than 5 characters or where the first name contains less than 5 chars. It also won't complete handles with spaces in them, no matter how much you enter. c) won't complete from handles, even if entered completely. --- Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- - Mark R Harding Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Fwd: Fwd: Minor security problem in The Bat!
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From: Jason K. Fritcher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, March 03, 2000, 9:36:48 AM
Subject: : Minor security problem in The Bat!
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This is good. :)
==BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==
X-BAT-FILES: c:\autoexec.bat
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:43:08 +0300
Reply-To: 3APA3A [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: 3APA3A [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Minor security problem in The Bat!
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Hello,
"The Bat!" by RitLabs is extremely convenient mail agent with a lot of
features for Windows platforms. One of "The Bat!" features is storing
files attached to e-mail messages apart from messages bodies. In this
case "The Bat!" puts attached files in preconfigured folder and
removes according MIME part from message. Instead, "The Bat!" adds
additional pseudo-header X-BAT-FILES, something like:
X-BAT-FILES: D:\Home\Incoming\attachment.doc
There are few possible troubles:
1. Then forwarding message with attachment this header isn't stripped.
This fact allows recipient of the forward to know the physical
location of the user's incoming files. This can be very useful for
attack like in "Georgi Guninski security advisory #8, 2000" ;-)
because you can send any file to user and you will know where this
file will be located.
2. "The Bat!" doesn't check headers of the incoming message to contain
this header (and this is even more dangerous). Intruder can spoof this
header, for example to specify
X-BAT-FILES: C:\WINDOWS\user.dat
in message headers. In this case user.dat will appear as message
attachment! If recipient will forward this message user.dat will be
attached to forward. If recipient will delete this message and option
"Delete attached file then message deleted from trash folder" is
checked C:\WINDOWS\user.dat will be deleted.
Tested with version 1.39
Vendor contacted.
http://www.security.nnov.ru
P.S. "The Bat!" users will see their own c:\autoexec.bat attached to
mail...
/\_/\
{ . . } |\
+--oQQo-{ ^ }-+ \
| 3APA3A U 3APA3A }
+-o66o--+ /
|/
X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H*
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Jason K. Fritcher
Software Developer, Business Web Hosting
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(626) 296-5880 x65880
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Re: Fwd: Fwd: Minor security problem in The Bat!
How-do-you-do, Steve Lamb @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SL There are few possible troubles: Yes, I too emailed RIT when I noticed this 'hole' right after I first registered TB!. The email and reply are below: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello The Bat! developers, I am a bit disturbed about a specific 'feature' of The Bat!. I was wondering whether there was some way to prevent the 'Kludges' from displaying the path to my mailbox? I ALWAYS keep my mailbox path private for obvious security reasons. But low and behold, I find that I am now inadvertently emailing it to all and sundry. Eg below: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--12111C10A12B2B883" X-BAT-FILES-SUBST: "block.jpg"@"C:\\Post Office\\Email\\Simon (F9)\\Attach\\block9.jpg"; X-BAT-FILES: C:\Post Office\Email\Simon (F9)\Attach\block9.jpg Surely this is a bit of a security issue is it not? Can you advise? Regards, Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply: Hello Simon, S I am a bit disturbed about a specific 'feature' of The Bat!. I was S wondering whether there was some way to prevent the 'Kludges' from S displaying the path to my mailbox? You can keep files in message bodies, but this can be the cause of crashes/slowdowns when it comes to large attachments. We will change it to something more convenient in the next version because this "feature" causes losing attachment when the account's home directory is changed... -- Sincerely, Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Slan, Simon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Usin' TB! v1.41 B3 !-- Lhomme est bien insensé. Il ne saurait forger un ciron, et forge des Dieux à douzaines! (Man is quite insane. He cannot create a maggot, and he creates Gods by the dozen) MONTAIGNE 1533-1592 //-- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Settings Reset at random?
I just downloaded The Bat and have been playing with it for about two hours. I think it's an amazing program as it has a wide variety of capabilities not found with my current client (Forte Agent). However, for the life of me, I can't seem to figure out how to keep various settings from going back to their defaults seemingly at random. In particular, I cannot get the View|ViewThreadsBy setting to remain in place with each restart of the program. Even worse are the message columns. I have four accounts set up on my incarnation of The Bat. I am trying to get them all to share the same message column settings. But one account seems to be fine (somehow I figured out how to set the "default" for that account and the rest follow it as instructed in their Folder|Properties menus) ... while another account reverts to the original setting immediately after I set it, and I cannot get that account's "default" to change. Any help would be greatly appreciated. You can email me at this account, [EMAIL PROTECTED], with any advice. Thanks, and stay safe! ...Todd -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Brazilian mail - no you see it now you don't
JDH (Datula has a button to detach a message from its existing JDH thread; I couldn't find such a feature in The Bat! though.) MDP It exists in a different form. From the message editor, use View/ MDP Follow-up to and remove/edit the reference ID when instigating a new MDP thread. I think John means that you can "prune" a thread? This is a feature that I'd definitely like to have Actually, even better would be thread manipulation tools 'cause this other list I'm on has a bunch of LookOut users, and it appears to copy the references field rather than update it? Whatever it is, it's a pain that would be nice to deal with on my end, since you can't talk to "these people." ;) -tom! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Brazilian mail - no you see it now you don't
Tom Plunket [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think John means that you can "prune" a thread? The button in the Datula mail/news composition window starts a new thread. Both Datula and EdMax also have the ability to break threads of received articles and to string together broken threads. -- John De Hoog, Tokyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Japanese email software: http://dehoog.org/html/j-email.html -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: storing mail
On Friday, March 03, 2000, Patrick Erler wrote: PF I looked at the web site, but I don't see an explanation of how it can PF be used to store mail from anything but Outlook. Could you explain? it simply sucks (or zoots as they say) anything in, via clipboard, outlook synchronization or import (and zoot even knows which website i vistited, no matter if with opera or explorer... cool). as import options you have newsgroup and email. it looks like it is quite format-independent. it just extracts the infomration it needs... Just to be perfectly clear before I go to the trouble of trying to space on hard drive to squeeze in another program, how are you importing messages from The Bat? -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.38e (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
List index out of bounds
Hello All, In the last couple of weeks, I've gotten 2-3 error messages saying "List index out bounds" then the messages display gets out of sync with the message list. Today, the error was followed by an Access Violation error. What does the 'list index out of bounds' error message mean and should I be doing something about it? -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.38e (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
A slight twist on the filtering question
Hello all, I just set up my Unix account to act as my POP3 server. For some reason Unix creates an e-mail message, that isn't really a message, that holds some necessary configuration information. Now for my question. How can I set up The Bat to ignore that message? I want TB to download all other mail and delete it from the server, but I want that configuration file to stay on the server. I think I can delete the file without any problems, but until I find out for sure from an Unix guru, I think I'd rather leave it on the server. If I can delete the file, no problem, then I'll just set up a kill filter, nice and easy. But if I need that file, is there anything I can do in TB or in Unix to fix this? And while we're on the topic of my Unix server and TB, does anyone know of a good way to have my SSH program launched when I launch TB? My current solution is simply a batch file. Ideally I would love to have a plug in or something that would make TB capable of connecting to the mail server using SSH. This probably isn't practical, but I'll wait for the more savvy to correct my errant ways. :) -- Thanks, Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
