Re[3]: Newbie questions

[phil]

On Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 21:23:19 GMT -0500 (which was 7:23 PM
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K> Is there some list of the new or different features?
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Re[2]: Newbie questions

[Katsmeow]

Hello Nick,

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 7:49:48 PM, you wrote:

NA> But the individual in question is trying out the Program under the 30
NA> trial period, and in the interim is still using Eudora as their primary
NA> Mail Client. Under those circumstances, I'd be more inclined to try the
NA> Beta, to get a better sense of which direction the development of the
NA> Software is heading.

You are quite correct.  I am leaving all messages retried with The
Bat! on the server and am periodically downloading them all to Eudora.
 If I write a message that is important I forward a copy of it to
 myself so I get with Eudora also.

 Accordingly, I have now downloaded and installed the Beta...only
 problem is that I don't see what is new.  Is there some list of the
 new or different features?



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Re: Newbie questions

[Nick Andriash]

On Thursday, July 13, 2000, 5:46:43 PM, Tom Plunket wrote:

TP> No thanks, even though (or perhaps especially because) I am
TP> "experienced," I sure ain't jumpin' on no beta of this software.  My
TP> mail is too valuable to trust to a not-yet-seen bug.

But the individual in question is trying out the Program under the 30
trial period, and in the interim is still using Eudora as their primary
Mail Client. Under those circumstances, I'd be more inclined to try the
Beta, to get a better sense of which direction the development of the
Software is heading.


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Re: More newbie Questions

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Katsmeow,


On  Thursday, July 13, 2000  at  14:48:38 GMT -0500 (which was 12:48 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


> Thought of two more.

> 1.  Quick Templates look great to me and I want to use them.  However,
> when I start to type in one, it is all one line and the line does not
> wrap.  Also when I insert it in my message it does not wrap.  It does
> wrap for the recipient but that doesn't help me.  I need to be able to
> have it wrap on the screen for me as I need to customize the exact
> language so need to be able to see it.  For example, in Eudora I have
> stationary where I have set up a form letter to send to people who buy
> books.  I fill in manually the amount.  I am having problem setting up
> a quick template as it is hard to do this when it won't wrap during
> creation or when I insert it.  I am sure I am doing something
> wrong...but what?

 That's because you don't want auto line wrapping when you're using a
long string of macros or regular expressions.  One way to work around
this is to open a new message, type what you want in your template and
then copy and paste it into the quick template editor.

 Note that even the new message editor may feel strange to someone new
to TB.  You can make the editor behave more like a typical windows
editor by using the autoformat options.  Be warned that this feature
has some oddities, so you may want to switch back and forth between
using it and disabling it.  I would post more details, but I can not
beat the explanations Allie (aka Curtis) has given previously.
Unfortunately, I can not find one of his explanations right now.  You
may have better luck searching the archives for this list.



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Re: OK, what am I missing?

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello SyP,


On  Thursday, July 13, 2000  at  20:54:57 GMT +0200 (which was 11:54 AM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:



> Here  Ctrl-(Numpad)* expands all threads, but Alt-(Numpad)* collapses
> only the current thread.

 Here Alt-(Numpad)* toggles the current sub-thread between open and
 closed...

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Re[2]: Newbie questions

[Orson Kellogg]

As a cautious type, I tend to wait till after beta before trying
software.

Can anyone list some of the new features in the beta? I'm curious.

Thanks.

Orson


Thursday, July 13, 2000, 4:48 PM, you wrote:

> On Thursday, July 13, 2000, 4:43:56 PM, Katsmeow wrote:

K>> I am a longtime Eudora user trying out The Bat.

K>> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.44) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091

> I don't know how some of the other more experienced TB! Users feel about
> it, but if I were checking out TB! for the first time, I'd lean toward
> installing the latest Beta:

> http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html

> as that would give you the most up to date list of features.



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Re: Newbie questions

[Tom Plunket]

NA> I don't know how some of the other more experienced TB! Users feel about
NA> it, but if I were checking out TB! for the first time, I'd lean toward
NA> installing the latest Beta:

NA> http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html

NA> as that would give you the most up to date list of features.

...not to mention the most up to date list of unreported bugs.

No thanks, even though (or perhaps especially because) I am
"experienced," I sure ain't jumpin' on no beta of this software.  My
mail is too valuable to trust to a not-yet-seen bug.

While it's true that there may well be serious bugs in the version I'm
using, they are well known by now, so bugs that might affect me are
easy to work around.

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Re: Newbie questions

[Nick Andriash]

On Thursday, July 13, 2000, 4:43:56 PM, Katsmeow wrote:

K> I am a longtime Eudora user trying out The Bat.

K> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.44) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091

I don't know how some of the other more experienced TB! Users feel about
it, but if I were checking out TB! for the first time, I'd lean toward
installing the latest Beta:

http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html

as that would give you the most up to date list of features.



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Re: Newbie questions

[Orson Kellogg]

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 11:42 AM, you wrote:

> 1.  What is a "colour group"?  How do you use it and how do you
> create it?  I feel like I must have missed this in the help file but
> have not found anything so either it isn't there or I didn't know it
> when I read about it.

Colour groups are essentially the same as labels in Eudora. TB also
lets you change the font as well as the color, however. You can choose
whether to view the label associated with each color or just the in
the list of message color (View > Message List Columns).

> 2.  What is the purpose of flagging a message?  Is it only that it
> puts a red flag next to the message?

I use flags to mark messages that I want to get back to later for
various reasons. The big advantage of the flag is that I can search
for all my flagged messages, throughout my account, and thereby find
messages that I wanted to deal with but which may be tucked away in
various folders.

> 3.  Is there anything in The Bat comparable to labels in Eudora?  If
> so, what?

Color groups.

Take care,

Orson

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Re: looking for a mail preview

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 12:59:58 PM, Hans wrote:
> I was looking for someting like 'Get mail'
> but it stops after fetching mail headers and presents
> you a tabel view of all the headers (from, to, subject, size)
> after wich you can select the mails your interested in (or all)
> and restrieves them.

> Is something like this avalaible or not ?

Account:Dispatch Mail on Server

Not that it is worth anything, mind you, but might work for you better
than me.

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Re: More newbie Questions

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 12:48:38 PM, Katsmeow wrote:
> creation or when I insert it.  I am sure I am doing something
> wrong...but what?

Not hitting return?

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Re: Newbie questions

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 12:20:18 PM, Ming-Li wrote:
> Really? I use it quite a lot. I might be visually less obvious than
> color group, but it's easy to use (with one mouse click), and easy
> to sort by flag (so all flagged messages would be presented
> together, which is more cumbersome to do with color groups).

Assuming, of course, that all flagged messages are of a similar group.  It
is just a bit with functionality that can be replicated a variety of different
ways.  So far I've not found a single way of organizing the message list that
flags addresses any better than any other method.

>>> 3.  Is there anything in The Bat comparable to labels in Eudora?  If
>>> so, what?

>> Labels?

> If memory serves me well (it rarely does, and I used Eudora many
> years ago), labels are colors.

Well, if labels are colors and he knows of colors, why the question.  I'm
puzzled.


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looking for a mail preview

[Hans Harder]

Hello,

I am new , so forgive me asking a dumb question:

Is there a mail preview option ?
I have looking thru all the menu's and I can't find any.

I was looking for someting like 'Get mail'
but it stops after fetching mail headers and presents
you a tabel view of all the headers (from, to, subject, size)
after wich you can select the mails your interested in (or all)
and restrieves them.
This is especially handsome for if your trying to get an urgent
message over a mobile connection (9600 baud)

Is something like this avalaible or not ?

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More newbie Questions

[Katsmeow]

Thought of two more.

1.  Quick Templates look great to me and I want to use them.  However,
when I start to type in one, it is all one line and the line does not
wrap.  Also when I insert it in my message it does not wrap.  It does
wrap for the recipient but that doesn't help me.  I need to be able to
have it wrap on the screen for me as I need to customize the exact
language so need to be able to see it.  For example, in Eudora I have
stationary where I have set up a form letter to send to people who buy
books.  I fill in manually the amount.  I am having problem setting up
a quick template as it is hard to do this when it won't wrap during
creation or when I insert it.  I am sure I am doing something
wrong...but what?

2.  If I want only unread messages displayed, do I have to manually
set that each time the program opens by going to View and then Display
or can I set a default for only unread messages to show?

  

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Re: OK, what am I missing?

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 11:54:57 AM, SyP wrote:
Tom>> No. I think Ctrl-(Numpad)* expands and Alt-(Numpad)* collapses
Tom>> all threads, but there is no auto-expand.

> Here  Ctrl-(Numpad)* expands all threads, but Alt-(Numpad)* collapses
> only the current thread.

Should be a bug since CNTL-+ and CNTL-- expand and contract the current
thread.  One could reasonably conclude that ALT-*, being somewhat the
antithesis of CNTL-*, should contract all threads.

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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 11:48:57 AM, Jason wrote:
SL>> Create a new filter.  Try to use the mouse to enter the text box for the
SL>> string to search on.  Will not work.

> Not confirmed. Works here.
>[The Bat! v1.45 Beta/7, Win98]

Might be a WinNT specific problem.


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Re: Newbie questions

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Katsmeow,

On 13 July 2000 at 13:42:30 GMT -0500 (which was 19:42 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Newbie questions":

K> I am a longtime Eudora user trying out The Bat. I decided to try it
K> out because I like the idea of templates for each mailbox

The  Bat  goes  a  step  further even than that. By using Address Book
templates  (which  override  folder  templates)  you  can get specific
formats/sigs for specific destination addresses.

K> Also, Eudora gives me big resource problems.

You  are  coming  to  TB at a good time then. A lot of resource issues
were handled in the most recent mailbox database improvements.

K> 1.  What  is  a  "colour  group"?  How do you use it and how do you
K> create it? I feel like I must have missed this in the help file but
K> have  not  found anything so either it isn't there or I didn't know
K> it when I read about it.

Colour groups are a fairly new feature. You can set them up in Options
...  Message list colours. You can assign them to messages in messages
lists manually or through filter actions.

K> 2.  What is the purpose of flagging a message?  Is it only that it
K> puts a red flag next to the message?

Yes. It can be used as a search / filter criterion too.

K> 3.  Is there anything in The Bat comparable to labels in Eudora?  If
K> so, what?

Only colour groups and memos. It's a different universe.

K> 4. Searching. How to do you search across all mailboxes.
K> Alternatively is there a way to search across specified mailboxes?
K> This is fairly easily done in Eudora.

Using  the  Message  finder dialog (tools .. search). You can search a
specified  folder,  include  sub  folders,  the  whole  account or all
accounts.

K> 5.  I read somewhere that the next version will have MAPI.  I saw
K> speculation that would be out in February this year but obviously that
K> is delayed.

The  speculation was going on in February. The date speculated was end
of May.

K> Any ideas when the next version will be out and why it is held up?

We  know  that  V2 is being worked on. We have no Beta (or even alpha)
launch dates. It'll be there when it appears, I suppose.

K> 6. Anyone know if additional font choices are expected for later
K> versions.

Please  refer to the article on Fonts in the FAQ. There is good reason
for the restriction.

K> 7. Oh, when writing a message, is there any easy way to switch back
K> to the main The Bat page? I find myself needing to do so, and find
K> it less than easy to do so.

Use  the "Options .. Define System Hot-Keys" settings to pervert a key
to your own design for this purpose.

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Re: Newbie questions

[SyP]

Hello Katsmeow,

let me first ask you to not begin a new thread by replying to an
unrelated mail, because it messes up the threaded view. Thanks.

You wrote on 7/13/2000, 8:42 PM

K> Anyway, I've read the help files but still have questions (and
K> probably more to come):
Fine.

K> 1. What is a "colour group"? How do you use it and how do you
K> create it?

You can assign each message in the message list to a "colour group".
It makes a better visual experience when navigating the folders.

You can create a colour group in Option -> Message List Colours.
You can set the font's script, style, and colour for read and unread
states separately.
In Sorting Office -> * -> Rule -> Actions you can set the colour
group, or you can filter on it (see the Advanced tab)

K> 2.  What is the purpose of flagging a message?  Is it only that it
K> puts a red flag next to the message?
Yes.  Before flagging I usually used parking to mark a message, but it
has the side effect that I cannot remove the message in one step, so I
better like flagging. (And I am still able to use parking for
important mail)

K> 3. Is there anything in The Bat comparable to labels in Eudora? If
K> so, what?
I do not know Eudora, but maybe Memos worth a look.

K> 4. Searching. How to do you search across all mailboxes.
There are three radiobuttons in the search dialog:
o search in folder
o search in current account
o search in all accounts
The latter two options are relevant.

K> Alternatively is there a way to search across specified mailboxes?
K> This is fairly easily done in Eudora.
Not one I know.

K> 5. I read somewhere that the next version will have MAPI. I saw
K> speculation that would be out in February this year but obviously
K> that is delayed. Any ideas when the next version will be out and
K> why it is held up?
I would not expect TB2 to appear in this year, maybe beta versions...

K> 6.  Anyone know if additional font choices are expected for later
K> versions.

K> 7.  Oh, when writing a message, is there any easy way to switch back
K> to the main The Bat page?  I find myself needing to do so, and find it
K> less than easy to do so.

What about Alt+Tab switching or clicking to the main TB page?

K> Thanks for any help.
You're welcome.

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Re: Newbie questions

[Ming-Li]

Hi Steve,

>> 2.  What is the purpose of flagging a message?  Is it only that
>> it puts a red flag next to the message?

> Yes.  Quite pointless to me, actually.  I wish I could shut
> that off completely on all new folders and folder views

Really? I use it quite a lot. I might be visually less obvious than
color group, but it's easy to use (with one mouse click), and easy
to sort by flag (so all flagged messages would be presented
together, which is more cumbersome to do with color groups).

>> 3.  Is there anything in The Bat comparable to labels in Eudora?  If
>> so, what?

> Labels?

If memory serves me well (it rarely does, and I used Eudora many
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Re: bug report- idle looping window

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Steve,

On 13 July 2000 at 09:55:49 GMT -0700 (which was 17:55 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "bug report- idle looping window":

SL> Is it just me or shouldn't this be going to TBBETA not TBUDL?

No (it's not just you) ... and yes (it should be on TBBETA) :-).

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Re: OK, what am I missing?

[Tom Plunket]

SL> Thursday, July 13, 2000, 10:20:51 AM, Tom wrote:
>> No.  I think Ctrl-(Numpad)* expands and Alt-(Numpad)* collapses all
>> threads, but there is no auto-expand.

SL> Actually, it is CNTL-*.  However, CNTL-Shift-8 switches desktops for me
SL> and CNTL-Numpad* is WAY too far off the main block on my keyboard to be even
SL> effective.  Besides, you're assuming people /have/ a numpad.  What would you
SL> say to someone who has what I plan to be my next keyboard?

I would never presume to call the keymap "smart," nor would I presume
that people have a numpad, I was just trying to offer *the single way
available to do it*.  I guess RIT figures if you can't do it, tough
luck.

Even reading messages is a major pain in the ass on my laptop 'cause I
have to use two hands to go to the next unread message since there's
only one "Control" key on my keyboard.

If only we didn't have to wait 'til v2 to have a useful keymapping.
:(

I'm not bitter today, I'm just in no-nonsense programming mode right
now; trying to get this stupid PlayStation2 renderer up and running.


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Re[2]: OK, what am I missing?

[SyP]

Hello Tom,

You wrote on 7/13/2000, 7:20 PM

Tom> No. I think Ctrl-(Numpad)* expands and Alt-(Numpad)* collapses
Tom> all threads, but there is no auto-expand.

Here  Ctrl-(Numpad)* expands all threads, but Alt-(Numpad)* collapses
only the current thread.

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Re[2]: OK, what am I missing?

[Jason Thompson]

Hello Steve and Bat Buddies...

SL> Bug in Beta 1.47/7.  I always put the space there.  I checked, they were
SL> gone from my sig files.  I added them back in, next message didn't have it
SL> there.

Confirmed, this is true. This should be a separate bug report, Steve.
:-)

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Re: Newbie questions

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 11:42:30 AM, Katsmeow wrote:
> 1.  What is a "colour group"?

Just colors.

> How do you use it and how do you create it?

In 1.44, which you have, they are just for highlighting.  As for creating,
Message:Color Group:Edit Color Groups.

> 2.  What is the purpose of flagging a message?  Is it only that it
> puts a red flag next to the message?

Yes.  Quite pointless to me, actually.  I wish I could shut that off
completely on all new folders and folder views

> 3.  Is there anything in The Bat comparable to labels in Eudora?  If
> so, what?

Labels?

> 4. Searching. How to do you search across all mailboxes.
> Alternatively is there a way to search across specified mailboxes?
> This is fairly easily done in Eudora.

God, Eudora does it so poorly it isn't funny.  In the search dialog you
have search specified folder, search subfolders, search account and search all
accounts.  All are fairly self-explanatory.

> 5.  I read somewhere that the next version will have MAPI.  I saw
> speculation that would be out in February this year but obviously that
> is delayed.  Any ideas when the next version will be out and why it is
> held up?

v2.0?  Feb of this year was when the interview about it was, nothing more.
It'll be out when it is out.

> 6.  Anyone know if additional font choices are expected for later
> versions.

What fonts would you need?  AFAIK all monospaced fonts are available and
proportional fonts in email are wrong.

> 7.  Oh, when writing a message, is there any easy way to switch back
> to the main The Bat page?  I find myself needing to do so, and find it
> less than easy to do so.

The main The Bat page?  Huh?  You mean the main window.  Click on it,
Alt-TAB to it.  Just like any other application.

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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Jason Thompson]

Hello Steve and Bat Buddies...

SL> Create a new filter.  Try to use the mouse to enter the text box for the
SL> string to search on.  Will not work.

Not confirmed. Works here.

SL> From that field (must be tabbed into) try to tab into the drop down boxes
SL> next to it.  Will not work.

Confirmed.

To add to Steve's bug report:
If you keep pressing tab, the object focus does not go in a loop back
up to the top of the current tabbed view. Instead, it goes on to the
next tabbed view. Press it several more times, then go find the object
now focused in another tabbed view! Odd behavior.

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Newbie questions

[Katsmeow]

I am a longtime Eudora user trying out The Bat.  I decided to try it
out because I like the idea of templates for each mailbox (in Eudora I
always wanted to be able to have it automatically know which sig I
wanted to use for each list).  Also, Eudora gives me big resource
problems.

Anyway, I've read the help files but still have questions (and
probably more to come):

1.  What is a "colour group"?  How do you use it and how do you create
it?  I feel like I must have missed this in the help file but have not
found anything so either it isn't there or I didn't know it when I
read about it.

2.  What is the purpose of flagging a message?  Is it only that it
puts a red flag next to the message?

3.  Is there anything in The Bat comparable to labels in Eudora?  If
so, what?

4. Searching. How to do you search across all mailboxes.
Alternatively is there a way to search across specified mailboxes?
This is fairly easily done in Eudora.

5.  I read somewhere that the next version will have MAPI.  I saw
speculation that would be out in February this year but obviously that
is delayed.  Any ideas when the next version will be out and why it is
held up?

6.  Anyone know if additional font choices are expected for later
versions.

7.  Oh, when writing a message, is there any easy way to switch back
to the main The Bat page?  I find myself needing to do so, and find it
less than easy to do so.

Thanks for any help.



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Re: OK, what am I missing?

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 10:20:51 AM, Tom wrote:
SL>> --
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SL>> ---+-

> Seems your sig delimiter got screwed up as this didn't get chopped.

Bug in Beta 1.47/7.  I always put the space there.  I checked, they were
gone from my sig files.  I added them back in, next message didn't have it
there.

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Re: OK, what am I missing?

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 10:20:51 AM, Tom wrote:
> No.  I think Ctrl-(Numpad)* expands and Alt-(Numpad)* collapses all
> threads, but there is no auto-expand.

Actually, it is CNTL-*.  However, CNTL-Shift-8 switches desktops for me
and CNTL-Numpad* is WAY too far off the main block on my keyboard to be even
effective.  Besides, you're assuming people /have/ a numpad.  What would you
say to someone who has what I plan to be my next keyboard?



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Re: How to improve the translations

[SyP]

Hello Hans,

You wrote on 7/13/2000, 8:27 AM

HH> Can anyone tell how I can change the
HH> translations in the thebat.lng file.

HH> I am dutch, and about 90% is translated in dutch, but there
HH> are some english and german translations left.

Stanislav Polozov wrote (sometimes in June, IIRC)

SP>   In the end of this month Max is going to release stand-alone LNG
SP>   compiler, so, everybody will be able to compile his language
SP>   himself, to see how it works and to debug it.

Max wrote on 7/7/2000 responding to my inquiry:

Max> I'm in St.Petersburg, Russia now, the compiler will be ready as
Max> soon as I get back home.

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Re: OK, what am I missing?

[Tom Plunket]

SL> Any way to have threads expanded by default from the start?

No.  I think Ctrl-(Numpad)* expands and Alt-(Numpad)* collapses all
threads, but there is no auto-expand.

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Seems your sig delimiter got screwed up as this didn't get chopped.

and yes, I too wondered if that bug report should go to the beta list,
as I've never seen that bug.  ;)

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OK, what am I missing?

[Steve Lamb]

Any way to have threads expanded by default from the start?

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Re: bug report- idle looping window

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 7:49:25 AM, Radek wrote:
>   I'm using The Bat! Version 1.45 Beta/7

Is it just me or shouldn't this be going to TBBETA not TBUDL?


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The Bat! - bug report

[Steve Lamb]

Hello The Bat! developers,

  I'm using The Bat! Version 1.44
  Serial Number 03290604
  under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5
  and would like to report a bug

  The bug description:
Filter dialog has inconsistent behavior when it comes to mouse and tabbing
through the fields.  This requires both the mouse and keyboard to be used to
be able to create new filters.

  Steps to reproduce the bug:
Create a new filter.  Try to use the mouse to enter the text box for the
string to search on.  Will not work.

From that field (must be tabbed into) try to tab into the drop down boxes
next to it.  Will not work.

Regards,
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bug report- idle looping window

[Radek Pytlik]

Hello The Bat! developers,

  I'm using The Bat! Version 1.45 Beta/7
  Serial Number D9D0157E
  under Windows 98 4.10 Build   A 
  and would like to report a bug

  The  bug  description:

A   quite   serious  problem  with  retrieving  messages  using  'Mail
Dispatcher'  has  happened  to  me  recently.  It  occurred to me when
'Invoke  automatically  on  each email check' was enabled. First I was
able  to  see  message  headers being counted, next the 'Idle looping'
window  appeared,  but  its 'Cancel' button was disabled. Finally, the
'Message  Dispatcher'  window  did  not pop up and TB! did not want to
shut down at all. So I had to close it by force using Ctrl+Alt+Del.

The  problem  has  happened  several  times  when  using  different
(earlier) versions  of  TB! The last time I experienced it was, while
using v1.45beta/6 .

Has  anyone  encountered  a  similar  problem with this 'Idle looping'
window?


Regards,
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Re: Why are all my icon background non-transparent?

[Ming-Li]

Hi Viboon,

> I can't seem to find anything in the Display tab that will allow
> me to change background of icons. I have tried changing everything
> in that tab but still cannot get it to work. :(

I don't think one can change to background of icons in TB. Have you
checked your Windows color/appearance settings as Thomas suggested?
Do you have any "theme" installed? Another possibility is Windows
messes up its icon cache. Try boot to DOS and delete the file
"ShellIconCache" in your Windows folder. (You'll have to unhide it
first with the attrib command.)

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Re: Disabling "New mail" sound for the Trash folder...?

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

On Thursday, July 13, 2000, 12:34:44 PM, Mark R Harding wrote:

> Is there any way this can be achieved (besides filtering into another
> 'dummy' folder first of all) because I'd really like to switch this
> off.

Yes, have the mail marked read when filtering it to the trash. You'll
find that option in the sorting rules under Actions.

Regards,

Markus
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Disabling "New mail" sound for the Trash folder...?

[Mark R Harding]

Hi TBUDL,

Via filtering I direct certain messages directly into the Trash folder
just as I direct other messages, via other filters, into other
folders.  For the other folders I can change or disable the 'new-mail'
sound that is player when an email is dropped directly into the
folder.  However, I cannot seem to disable the new-mail sound for the
Trash folder - there being no appropriate menu tab on the folders
properties dialog.

Is there any way this can be achieved (besides filtering into another
'dummy' folder first of all) because I'd really like to switch this
off.

Cheers,

Mark

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Re: Why are all my icon background non-transparent?

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Thomas Speer,

Responding  to  your  article on Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 11:28:10 GMT
+0200 (which was 13/07/2000 16:28 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

VC>>> Somehow,  the background of all the icons in The Bat! turned to grey
VC>>> color.  This  include  folder icons, flag icons, park icons, account
VC>>> icons  etc.  So  instead  of  an  icon on white background, I am now
VC>>> looking  at  icons  with  grey  opaque  background, which I think is
VC>>> really  ugly.  The frustrating thing is that I can't find menu items
VC>>> to change this, and I have no idea how this come about :(.

SH>> Go to menu Options|Editor Preference|Display, check/set there.

TS> If you don't find anything there check your windows color settings because
TS> the Bat will use the settings there.

TS> The menu Syafril mentioned is only for the editor (or am I wrong here?)

Oops, you're right, that's only affect Editor.

Viboon's problem may relate to Windows Color Setting or Resolution.


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Created : Thursday, July 13, 2000, 17:03:12 GMT +0700

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Re: How to improve the translations

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Thomas Speer,

Responding  to  your  article on Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 09:54:51 GMT
+0200 (which was 13/07/2000 14:54 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :


HH>> Can anyone tell how I can change the translations in the thebat.lng
HH>> file.

TS> AFAIK this is not a easy Task

HH>> I am dutch, and about 90% is translated in dutch, but there
HH>> are some english and german translations left.

TS> But have you tried the new lng file that can be fond at:
TS> http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/beta/lng.rar

TS> There also was the Idea to release a Tool for translating menus
TS> ...but I never heard anything about this. 

Want  to  try "Andrew K. Lovetski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, this is copy
of his posting on TBBETA list :

---posted Tuesday, 04 Jul 2000  03:09:15 ---
Hello, The Bat Users!

The LNG file manipulation utility is ready and available at
http://www.mml.nsi.ru/~alovetski/. If anyone needs sources, feel free
to write to me _directly_:

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=LNGUtilitySources&body=_

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Re[2]: Why are all my icon background non-transparent?

[Thomas Speer]

Hello Syafril,
on 11:03 you wrote:

SH> Hello Viboon Chaojirapant,

SH> Responding  to  your  article on Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 15:43:12 GMT
SH> +0800 (which was 13/07/2000 14:43 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

VC>> Somehow,  the background of all the icons in The Bat! turned to grey
VC>> color.  This  include  folder icons, flag icons, park icons, account
VC>> icons  etc.  So  instead  of  an  icon on white background, I am now
VC>> looking  at  icons  with  grey  opaque  background, which I think is
VC>> really  ugly.  The frustrating thing is that I can't find menu items
VC>> to change this, and I have no idea how this come about :(.

SH> Go to menu Options|Editor Preference|Display, check/set there.

If you don't find anything there check your windows color settings because
the Bat will use the settings there.

The menu Syafril mentioned is only for the editor (or am I wrong here?)

Thomas


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Re[2]: Why are all my icon background non-transparent?

[Viboon Chaojirapant]

Hi Syafril,

I can't seem to find anything in the Display tab that
will allow me to change background of icons. I have tried
changing everything in that tab but still cannot
get it to work. :(

Thanks.

--Original Mail---
Thursday, July 13, 2000, 5:03:58 PM, you wrote:

SH> Hello Viboon Chaojirapant,

SH> Responding  to  your  article on Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 15:43:12 GMT
SH> +0800 (which was 13/07/2000 14:43 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

VC>> Somehow,  the background of all the icons in The Bat! turned to grey
VC>> color.  This  include  folder icons, flag icons, park icons, account
VC>> icons  etc.  So  instead  of  an  icon on white background, I am now
VC>> looking  at  icons  with  grey  opaque  background, which I think is
VC>> really  ugly.  The frustrating thing is that I can't find menu items
VC>> to change this, and I have no idea how this come about :(.

SH> Go to menu Options|Editor Preference|Display, check/set there.

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Re: How to improve the translations

[Thomas Speer]

Hello Hans,
on 08:27 you wrote:

HH> Hello,

HH> Can anyone tell how I can change the
HH> translations in the thebat.lng file.

AFAIK this is not a easy Task

HH> I am dutch, and about 90% is translated in dutch, but there
HH> are some english and german translations left.

But have you tried the new lng file that can be fond at:
http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/beta/lng.rar

I just check and there are still some of the newer Features not
translated maybe you can check back with Ritlabs and offer them to do
help with translations

There also was the Idea to release a Tool for translating menus
...but I never heard anything about this.

HH> Hans



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Re: Why are all my icon background non-transparent?

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Viboon Chaojirapant,

Responding  to  your  article on Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 15:43:12 GMT
+0800 (which was 13/07/2000 14:43 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

VC> Somehow,  the background of all the icons in The Bat! turned to grey
VC> color.  This  include  folder icons, flag icons, park icons, account
VC> icons  etc.  So  instead  of  an  icon on white background, I am now
VC> looking  at  icons  with  grey  opaque  background, which I think is
VC> really  ugly.  The frustrating thing is that I can't find menu items
VC> to change this, and I have no idea how this come about :(.

Go to menu Options|Editor Preference|Display, check/set there.

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Re[2]: Importing messages from Outlook Express

[Norman Lamont]

Hello Ming-Li,


Cracked it eventually!

Using your suggestion about regedit I found where the one identity was
storing its mail.

Looking in Explorer I found that there were three similar folders with
different long-string names.

I also found there was another one, which had the same pathname
without the long-string name, in other words windows\application
data\microsoft\outlook express

It had some of the same dbx files but not all. There was a subfolder
'mail' which had them all. I copied the dbx files from the 'identity'
folder listed in regedit into this new outlook express folder and TB found them and 
imported them!

Nothing's ever simple, is it?
So it seems I now have five more or less identical copies of all the
email and newsgroups I've stored - the three 'identity' folders plus
this 'non-identity' folder plus its subfolder 'mail'. No wonder
Windows takes up so much space!

Thanks to everyone at TBUDL for their help.




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Why are all my icon background non-transparent?

[Viboon Chaojirapant]

Hi All,

I have just installed The Bat! upon recommendation from
my colleague. I think it is a great/powerful program.
However, I have a very frustrating thing which I can't
resolve:

Somehow, the background of all the icons in The Bat! turned
to grey color. This include folder icons, flag icons, park
icons, account icons etc. So instead of an icon on white
background, I am now looking at icons with grey opaque
background, which I think is really ugly. The frustrating
thing is that I can't find menu items to change this, and
I have no idea how this come about :(.

If you know what I should do to get transparent icon
background back, please advice.

Thank you.

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Viboon



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