filter aid please?

[Jason Thompson]

Hello all...

I'd like to set up a filter to run an FTP server when I receive a
message with the subject, "start ftp".

Seems simple enough, and it is. The filter activates properly. My
trouble here is that when TB executes the FTP program, it doesn't
start it in the program's directory. I'm using War FTP v1.66, and it
needs to be started in the installed directory to find its database
files. When TB runs the FTP, it can't find its user database and
config files, so it starts anew.

I tried creating a .lnk shortcut to the server with the directory
specified in the Start In Directory field, then pointing Bat! to
execute the .lnk instead of directly to the .exe. However, Bat! will
not run the shortcut. The log reports:
FILTER - Could not start process for rule FTP request The system
cannot find the file specified.

It should be able to find the file just fine. If I simply double click
the shortcut itself, the FTP executes exactly as it should.

I only hope I am making sense here! So, can anyone suggest a work-
around solution? TIA.

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Re: Workstation e-mail sits in outbox

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Curtis,


On  Friday, July 14, 2000  at  19:49:33 GMT -0500 (which was 5:49 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

> I'd try using the 'combined send and deliver' option toggled on
> as well as the immediate send option.

 Just to make sure we're not missing anything, you do mean 'Combined
 Delivery (send + receive)'  right?  :)


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Re: Three weeks of mail--gone!

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Mitch,

On 15 July 2000 at 16:11:05 GMT -0700 (which was 00:11 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Three weeks of mail--gone!":

MW> A good thought, but not a solution, I'm afraid. There is no maximum
MW> number of messages set. Thanks anyway.

In  that  case  try: Folder -- browse deleted messages. Or try exiting
TB,  deleting the .tbi (index) file for that folder and re-loading. If
the  messages  are  still  there,  one  or other of these methods will
retrieve them.

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Re: Workstation e-mail sits in outbox

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Clemens,

On 15 July 2000 at 10:36:52 GMT +1000 (which was 01:36 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Workstation e-mail sits in outbox":

CV> Thank you for your reply. Your suggestion has been tried and was not
CV> found to make any difference.

Okay - it was just a thought.

CV> Are ther any people on this list who possibly would be able to
CV> make a comment? I was under the impression that this list was
CV> monitored by The Bat! Support people as well?

RITlabs  don't  have  "support"  staff per-se. Us long-term users club
together  here  on  the  lists to fulfil that role as best we can. The
developers monitor here but only interject occasionally.

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Re: Workstation e-mail sits in outbox

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On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:41:45 +1000, Clemens Vermeulen wrote:

CV> A similar set-up in a customers office and messages just sit in the
CV> OUTBOX on the (The Bat!) server until they are manually sent on from
CV> the server.

CV> I have compared set-up notes but I am not seeing it. Anybody know what
CV> I may be missing?

I'd try using the 'combined send and deliver' option toggled on
as well as the immediate send option.

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Re[2]: Workstation e-mail sits in outbox

[Clemens Vermeulen]

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Hello Marck D. Pearlstone,

Thank you for your reply. Your suggestion has been tried and was not
found to make any difference.

Are ther any people on this list who possibly would be able to make a
comment? I was under the impression that this list was monitored by
The Bat! Support people as well?

Many thanks and have a nice weekend.

Clemens

Friday, July 14, 2000, 7:16:44 PM, you wrote:

> Hi Clemens,

> On 14 July 2000 at 18:41:45 GMT +1000 (which was 09:41 where I
> live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the
subject
> of "Workstation e-mail sits in outbox":

CV>> A similar set-up in a customers office and messages just sit in
CV>> the OUTBOX on the (The Bat!) server until they are manually sent
CV>> on from the server.

> I've  not  used TB in a client/server role but the switch that I
would
> imagine  had  an  effect  here is the "Account options -- Transport
- --
> Delivery : Immediate / Deferred" setting.

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Re: (OT) OS Stability (was Three weeks of mail--gone!)

[Curtis]

On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:18:11 -0700, Tom Plunket wrote:

Getting off topic but a few comments.

TP> I have completely different experience, both at home and at work.
TP> My Win98 machines seem to run forever, but my WinNT machine at home
TP> and the NT machines of the artists around me, running Photoshop and
TP> 3D Studio all day, crash every day.

An NT system that crashes once a day is ailing. Something is
wrong. Hardware or drivers.

TP> Of course, I'm the type who likes to restart my Windows machines
TP> almost daily anyway.  My Linux firewall at home has recently reached
TP> an uptime greater than any Windows machine is capable of (does anyone
TP> know if they fixed the 47-day crash built into Windows for W2k?), but
TP> then we're talking real operating systems that were not designed by
TP> the almighty dollar.

Win95 had such a limit and it has since been fixed. NT4 and now
Win2k never did have such a limit. I've experienced uptimes beyond 47
days using both NT and Win2k. I haven't yet experienced a crash with
Win2k. I had crashes with NT4 which were quite dramatic and all were
hardware or driver related which when fixed led to great stability for
me. I haven't experienced uptimes like this with either win9x or OS/2,
though I've never had daily crashes on a routine basis, meaning it's an
accepted norm, running any OS.

TP> A power conditioner/backup is also a good thing,

I've seen this improve Win9x stability by a wide margin. I've
also seen a CPU power supply change convert a Win9x system that crashed
about three times a day to one that stopped crashing. Since it was
powered down each day for the night, it simply stopped crashing and this
has been for about the last 4 months. A bad CPU fan fixed caused a
similar scenario on my dads win9x system. He was having a lot of crashes
and lockups.

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Re: Three weeks of mail--gone!

[Tom Plunket]

>> Thanks, but changing the OS is not an option; I'm running this on a
>> corporate system.

OS> Well,  IMO there's nothing in this world that makes Win98 run smoothly
OS> and  undisturbed  under  all circumstances. Same goes for NT (probably
OS> for  any  OS  if  you take it seriously), but it's much (ahem, _MUCH_)
OS> more  stable.

I have completely different experience, both at home and at work.  My
Win98 machines seem to run forever, but my WinNT machine at home and
the NT machines of the artists around me, running Photoshop and 3D
Studio all day, crash every day.

Of course, I'm the type who likes to restart my Windows machines
almost daily anyway.  My Linux firewall at home has recently reached
an uptime greater than any Windows machine is capable of (does anyone
know if they fixed the 47-day crash built into Windows for W2k?), but
then we're talking real operating systems that were not designed by
the almighty dollar.

OS> Anyway, defragging your drives regularly and making sure you have
OS> more RAM than you need most of the time will certainly do good.

While these are good things to do, they do not cause day-to-day
problems with modern operating systems (even Windows is part of this
group).

>> As to the power supply, I don't think that was the problem--it was a
>> system freeze-up, it wasn't a case of losing power.

OS> Cases  of  nearly-losing  power  can  cause  effects  like  what  you
OS> described.  We've  had  that  on database systems which even continued
OS> running,  but  was  losing data  nevertheless due to sub-optimal power
OS> supply.

A power conditioner/backup is also a good thing, and I've noticed that
TB! doesn't actually need the database around to download mail (it
just complains that it can't find it and locks up presumably when it
goes to write), so I wonder if you powered off right before the end of
downloading mail if you'd lose it all.  IOW, if you had a crash or
something during a download...

I don't know what state TB keeps its database while its running, but
it could well do "strange" things to it that would cause ruining of
the database during a crash.

Anyhow, choice of OS makes no difference with the sorts of issues that
Oliver brings up.  If your power sags then any OS will likely go down.
If there are software issues, then it doesn't much matter what OS
you're on either.

On getting your mail back, your only option is to restore from backup.
Doesn't matter if you don't do backups, 'cause that's your only option
in either case.  If you don't do backups, perhaps this will show you
why you need to do them.  If individual messages are gone, then
they're gone.  It would be a different issue entirely if an entire
mailbox was empty, since that might be caused by a simple-to-fix
problem with the database.  However, it should be obvious if some
messages are there and some aren't, well, they're gone...

Just realized, if you haven't done a purge/compress yet, there might
be hope.  However I have no idea how to do that and I don't know that
any information on the database format has been issued.  You could try
copying off your database to a safe place, and open that in an editor
and just browse it as text; you might have some luck piecing together
emails.

g'luck,

-tom!

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Re[2]: Three weeks of mail--gone!

[Mitch Wagner]

A good thought, but not a solution, I'm afraid. There is no maximum
number of messages set. Thanks anyway.
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Hello The Bat! users,

Mitch Wagner wrote on 7/14/2000, 7:54 PM

MW> I do know that when I came in this morning, The Bat! was missing
MW> three weeks worth of e-mail from the inbox of one of my
MW> accounts--everything from the end of June back to yesterday. This
MW> is vexing; I needed to check some of that e-mail.

Please check if you have Folder->Properties->(Keep messages in message
base for XX days | maximum number of stored messages) checked.

Just a thought.

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Apology

[Curtis]

Hi,

Sorry about the recent message duplications there. I was having
a server problem. Things seem to be fine now.

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Re: Three weeks of mail--gone!

[SyP]

Hello The Bat! users,

Mitch Wagner wrote on 7/14/2000, 7:54 PM

MW> I do know that when I came in this morning, The Bat! was missing
MW> three weeks worth of e-mail from the inbox of one of my
MW> accounts--everything from the end of June back to yesterday. This
MW> is vexing; I needed to check some of that e-mail.

Please check if you have Folder->Properties->(Keep messages in message
base for XX days | maximum number of stored messages) checked.

Just a thought.

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Re[4]: Three weeks of mail--gone!

[Mitch Wagner]

Interesting points. Thank you.

My home office, where I work, is prone to brownouts; maybe that has been
the source of a lot of my problems.

I'm actually using a Dell Latitude laptop in a docking station and
hooked up to a power strip to run The Bat! Shouldn't the laptop
batteries and power strip serve to smooth out power glitches and
brownouts?

And, back to my original question: is there anything I can do FROM
WITHIN THE BAT! to prevent future message losses? Anything I can do to
recover the three weeks of messages which are no longer showing up in
my mailbox, but which (fingers crossed) might still be hidden
somewhere in my mail archive?
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 Original Message 



Hi Mitch Wagner,

On Friday, July 14, 2000 at 10:59:32 PM you wrote:

> Thanks, but changing the OS is not an option; I'm running this on a
> corporate system.

Well,  IMO there's nothing in this world that makes Win98 run smoothly
and  undisturbed  under  all circumstances. Same goes for NT (probably
for  any  OS  if  you take it seriously), but it's much (ahem, _MUCH_)
more  stable. Anyway, defragging your drives regularly and making sure
you  have  more  RAM  than you need most of the time will certainly do
good.

> As to the power supply, I don't think that was the problem--it was a
> system freeze-up, it wasn't a case of losing power.

Cases  of  nearly-losing  power  can  cause  effects  like  what  you
described.  We've  had  that  on database systems which even continued
running,  but  was  losing data  nevertheless due to sub-optimal power
supply.

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Re[3]: Three weeks of mail--gone!

[Oliver Sturm]

Hi Mitch Wagner,

On Friday, July 14, 2000 at 10:59:32 PM you wrote:

> Thanks, but changing the OS is not an option; I'm running this on a
> corporate system.

Well,  IMO there's nothing in this world that makes Win98 run smoothly
and  undisturbed  under  all circumstances. Same goes for NT (probably
for  any  OS  if  you take it seriously), but it's much (ahem, _MUCH_)
more  stable. Anyway, defragging your drives regularly and making sure
you  have  more  RAM  than you need most of the time will certainly do
good.

> As to the power supply, I don't think that was the problem--it was a
> system freeze-up, it wasn't a case of losing power.

Cases  of  nearly-losing  power  can  cause  effects  like  what  you
described.  We've  had  that  on database systems which even continued
running,  but  was  losing data  nevertheless due to sub-optimal power
supply.

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Re[2]: Three weeks of mail--gone!

[Mitch Wagner]

Thanks, but changing the OS is not an option; I'm running this on a
corporate system.

As to the power supply, I don't think that was the problem--it was a
system freeze-up, it wasn't a case of losing power.
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Hi Mitch Wagner,

On Friday, July 14, 2000 at 7:54:09 PM you wrote:

> I am running The Bat! version 1.44 on Windows 98.

Try  using  NT  or  Win2k  and  buy  a  UPS  to reduce the probability
significantly.

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Re: More newbie Questions

[Curtis]

On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:57:38 -0500, Katsmeow wrote:

K> I do think the Ticker is a cool feature.  However, that said, I still
K> would like to able to set The Bat! when looking at folders to only
K> show unread messages (or whatever).  Right now, I filter incoming
K> messages to a separate inbox for each mailing list I am on.  Then if
K> I want to save mail from the list I put that in a separate folder.  I
K> would like to be able to get away from these dual folders and just
K> have one folder for each list but to be able to look only at unread
K> mail.  I like the ticker but I get several hundred new messages a day
K> and many of them I do not want to read and wish to delete unread.  It
K> is easier to do this through the individual folder.

I use a common folder for TBBETA and TBUDL. I colour code the
messages from each list so that I can tell which is from where by
colour. I use manual read filters to keep the folder message count down
so that only two days worth of messages are present at a time. If you
wish for only read messages to be present then use automatic read
filters. The messages will be moved as soon as you read them.

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Re: Three weeks of mail--gone!

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Hi Mitch Wagner,

On Friday, July 14, 2000 at 7:54:09 PM you wrote:

> I am running The Bat! version 1.44 on Windows 98.

Try  using  NT  or  Win2k  and  buy  a  UPS  to reduce the probability
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Re[2]: Can't read e-mail

[Ben Pugsley]

Hello Sir,

Friday, July 14, 2000, 8:04:52 AM, you wrote:

SJ> | I did a redirect to another account and received the e-mail with Eudora,
SJ> | and with Opera, and the message displayed properly.  In the case of TB it
SJ> | appears as an attachhment, Message.msg with nothing in the body of the e-
SJ> | mail. When this is opened, all it shows is a header. 
SJ> | Suggestions welcome. :-))

SJ> I have the same problem, here with M$ Mail & News [which I use, since my TB
SJ> 1.44 started slowing down my compute! Now I use it mainly as a "send only"
SJ> mailer:)]. I get a blank message, and can see it only if I hit reply. So, I
SJ> suppose it's not a TB problem.

SJ> Dejan

Thanks,

The problem was that each header was recognized as an attachment, and I just
had to open all of the attachments, one level at a time.  I couldn't see the
attachment pane, as it was srunken to the side.  So all is well now.

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Three weeks of mail--gone!

[Mitch Wagner]

I had a little problem with my system freezing up yesterday with The
Bat! running. Once it was while The Bat! was actually shutting down
and purging and compressing messages. I don't know whether it was The Bat!'s fault or 
not.

I do know that when I came in this morning, The Bat! was missing three
weeks worth of e-mail from the inbox of one of my accounts--everything
from the end of June back to yesterday. This is vexing; I needed to
check some of that e-mail.

Is there any way to recover this mail, or is it gone for good? Is
there any way to prevent this problem from recurring?

I am running The Bat! version 1.44 on Windows 98.
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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Ingo Ließegang]

Tom Plunket wrote:

> I would say for nearly as long as there's been data entry too.  I used
> IBM S/36 for a while, and I don't know if that predates PCs or not
> (386 was top-of-line when I was on S/36),

Yes, definitely the /3x series predates the PC.

> but I got the impression that IBM has had tab assigned to the
> switching of fields for as long as they've been making
> minicomputers.

That's correct. It has been on the /34, and that's about 20 years
ago...

> Which begs the question of why TB! wants to be another Esc-Meta-Alt-
> Ctrl-Shift (aka emacs) piece of software as opposed to the (more
> standard) one-key for each operation.

Heavily used functions should be accessible with only one/two
keystrokes. In many newsreaders there is the common behaviour to use
the space key for nearly everything (when dealing with
reading of threads/messages). YMMV
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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Steve Lamb]

Friday, July 14, 2000, 8:55:50 AM, Ming-Li wrote:
> TB is treating the whole filter string area as a field, and use
> arrow keys to move within it. After realizing it, I've come to like
> it better. Tabbing/Shift-Tabbing is a sequential movement; you can
> only move back and forth. The filter string area is structured as a
> 3-column table, and using arrow-keys to move around is more
> convenient. Just my personal opinion.

Yes, Stef and I went through this.  That is exactly what it is, a field
with three columns.  However, as I pointed out what it is internally has
little bearing on what it is to the user.  To the user it is three fields and
is a major pain when making a series of filters in a row as quickly as
possible to tab through everything /except/ that area.  It is the exceptions
in expected behavior that give a program like TB! the quirkiness it has.

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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Ming-Li]

Hi Tom,

ML>> I don't think I said anything to warrant a harsh reaction like
ML>> this.

> I didn't think it was meant to be harsh but rather sort of funny
> to preface what was to come...  ;)

Thanks. I feel much better now. The problem with Internet
communication is there's no facial gesture or other body language as
side reference. For people with very mediocre English fluency, I
sometimes misjudge the "tone" of written words.

Sorry, Steve.

BTW, no argument for your other points, Tom.

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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Tom Plunket]

>> Friday, July 14, 2000, 2:16:42 AM, Ming-Li wrote:
>>> Agreed. To be fair, though, its current arrangement isn't illogical
>>> per se. Yet the school of using Tab to move around fields and Arrows
>>> to move within a drop-down list has won out in today's Windows
>>> programming.

>> Bite your tongue!

*rofl*

ML> I don't think I said anything to warrant a harsh reaction like this.

I didn't think it was meant to be harsh but rather sort of funny to
preface what was to come...  ;)

>> I was tabbing around input fields well before there /was/ a
>> Windows!  That is standard practice of data entry for nearly as
>> long as there has been data entry.

ML> I may have much less experience than you with computers and what
ML> little I have is with DOS/Windows. I certainly can't make any claim
ML> like "for nearly as there has been data entry".

I would say for nearly as long as there's been data entry too.  I used
IBM S/36 for a while, and I don't know if that predates PCs or not
(386 was top-of-line when I was on S/36), but I got the impression
that IBM has had tab assigned to the switching of fields for as long
as they've been making minicomputers.

Arrows are, imho, the logical way to move around in a field.  Tab
makes a good case for changing fields simply due to the fact that most
implementations have arrows on the tab key.  :)

ML> For what I do have experience with, I remember using many programs
ML> with "unstandard" practices, and my impression is that there were
ML> many more such programs in the past then there are today, hence my
ML> earlier claim. Please also note I was talking about two practices,
ML> not just tabbing around.

True, there wasn't quite the jelling of practices that there is today.

Which begs the question of why TB! wants to be another Esc-Meta-Alt-
Ctrl-Shift (aka emacs) piece of software as opposed to the (more
standard) one-key for each operation.


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Re: More newbie Questions

[Ming-Li]

Hi Katsmeow,

> However, that said, I still would like to able to set The Bat!
> when looking at folders to only show unread messages (or
> whatever).  Right now, I filter incoming messages to a separate
> inbox for each mailing list I am on.  Then if I want to save mail
> from the list I put that in a separate folder.  I would like to be
> able to get away from these dual folders and just have one folder
> for each list but to be able to look only at unread mail.  I like
> the ticker but I get several hundred new messages a day and many
> of them I do not want to read and wish to delete unread.  It is
> easier to do this through the individual folder.

I might not understand you correctly, and this is not exactly what
you want, but turning off threading plus sorting by received time
would gather all new mail together. TB doesn't remember View/Display
setting from session to session, but it does remember the threading
setup. If you read only new mail to the degree that you want to set
"show unread messages only" as default (which, regrettably, can't be
done at the moment), then threading is of little use anyway.

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Re[2]: More newbie Questions

[Katsmeow]

Hi Marck,

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 3:49:43 PM, you wrote:

K>> 2. If I want only unread messages displayed, do I have to manually
K>> set that each time the program opens by going to View and then
K>> Display or can I set a default for only unread messages to show?

MDP> This  is  a  new Universe. The Bat has the ticker. The ticker contains
MDP> all  unread  messages  (from  all  folders  that  may  be  selected to
MDP> contribute their new mail content to the ticker - see folder options).
MDP> When  you  open  new  mail  from  the ticker, you are presented with a
MDP> single  "virtual"  folder  containing *only* the new mail.

I do think the Ticker is a cool feature.  However, that said, I still
would like to able to set The Bat! when looking at folders to only
show unread messages (or whatever).  Right now, I filter incoming
messages to a separate inbox for each mailing list I am on.  Then if I
want to save mail from the list I put that in a separate folder.  I
would like to be able to get away from these dual folders and just
have one folder for each list but to be able to look only at unread
mail.  I like the ticker but I get several hundred new messages a day
and many of them I do not want to read and wish to delete unread.  It
is easier to do this through the individual folder.

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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Ming-Li]

Hi Steve,

Friday, July 14, 2000, 8:17:32 AM, you wrote:

> Friday, July 14, 2000, 2:16:42 AM, Ming-Li wrote:
>> Agreed. To be fair, though, its current arrangement isn't illogical
>> per se. Yet the school of using Tab to move around fields and Arrows
>> to move within a drop-down list has won out in today's Windows
>> programming.

> Bite your tongue!

I don't think I said anything to warrant a harsh reaction like this.

> I was tabbing around input fields well before there /was/ a
> Windows!  That is standard practice of data entry for nearly as
> long as there has been data entry.

I may have much less experience than you with computers and what
little I have is with DOS/Windows. I certainly can't make any claim
like "for nearly as there has been data entry".

For what I do have experience with, I remember using many programs
with "unstandard" practices, and my impression is that there were
many more such programs in the past then there are today, hence my
earlier claim. Please also note I was talking about two practices,
not just tabbing around.

Back to your original bug report.

> Create a new filter.  Try to use the mouse to enter the text
> box for the string to search on.  Will not work.

This one is working here.

> From that field (must be tabbed into) try to tab into the drop
> down boxes next to it.  Will not work.

TB is treating the whole filter string area as a field, and use
arrow keys to move within it. After realizing it, I've come to like
it better. Tabbing/Shift-Tabbing is a sequential movement; you can
only move back and forth. The filter string area is structured as a
3-column table, and using arrow-keys to move around is more
convenient. Just my personal opinion.

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Re: Newbie questions

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Steve,

On 14 July 2000 at 08:19:51 GMT -0700 (which was 16:19 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Newbie questions":

>> He  didn't know of the parallel - and now (between us) we've filled in
>> the gaps. Labels are colours :-).

SL> I just hope we're not doing something like saying that PMMail's message
SL> view is like TB!'s folder view when the two, clearly, are not the same.  They
SL> look the same.  They vaguely act the same.  But functionally they are
SL> different.  :)

A good point and an inherent danger in making such comments :-).

In  this  case  however,  colour groups were what Stef and Max came up
with  when  repeatedly  asked  to do "something like" Eudora's labels.
IIRC  when  I used Eudora I could assign a message to belong to one of
10  groups, each of which could be assigned a name and a colour. These
were the "labels". TB's technology is similar but IMHO more versatile.

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Re: Can't read e-mail

[Sir Jinx!]

| Hi
| 
| I have received a message that does not display.  It was sent from AOL,
by 
| my cousin, and was information that had been forwarded a couple of times.
 
| I did a redirect to another account and received the e-mail with Eudora, 
| and with Opera, and the message displayed properly.  In the case of TB it
| appears as an attachhment, Message.msg with nothing in the body of the e-
| mail. When this is opened, all it shows is a header. 
| Suggestions welcome. :-))

I have the same problem, here with M$ Mail & News [which I use, since my TB
1.44 started slowing down my compute! Now I use it mainly as a "send only"
mailer:)]. I get a blank message, and can see it only if I hit reply. So, I
suppose it's not a TB problem.

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Re: Newbie questions

[Steve Lamb]

Friday, July 14, 2000, 5:46:18 AM, Thomas wrote:
> beta 5

What happened to 4, 3, and 2?  :P

>  Beta 1

> [+] Empty subject reminder

Oh hell.  Wanna know something funny?  Ritlabs did the same thing a lot of
people do in this regard.  They created a dialog and there is a checkbox there
to turn off that dialog if so desired.  OK, I can respect that.  Don't like
the feature, don't like the verbage, but at least they let you turn it off.

Now, I have to ask.  If you uncheck the dialog and later want that feature
how are you going to turn it back on if you can never get the dialog to come
up to check that box again?

It isn't in the options, tools or account properties.  I just checked.
Amazingly enough this is a common problem.  If I recall correctly either
Netscape or OE, when they first implemented it on the "do you want us to check
to see if we're the default browser" dialog, I turned it off.  Later I wanted
it to check since I dropped Opera for a while.  I couldn't get it to come back
nor was there a way to set it as the default browser anywhere.  I had to
uninstall and reinstall to get it as default.

> [+] Shift/Ctrl/Alt keys pressed make Reply button to work different

That almost makes up for the subject dialog, almost.  When are they going
to do the same for delete?  Do you know how annoying it is to try to delete a
thread with the mouse and CNTL-SHIFT- doesn't work?  :)

> [-] Attachment size was calculated with 2 extra bytes...

Inflation.

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Re: Newbie questions

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 1:55:02 PM, Marck wrote:
SL>>Well, if labels are colors and he knows of colors, why the
SL>> question. I'm puzzled.

> He  didn't know of the parallel - and now (between us) we've filled in
> the gaps. Labels are colours :-).

I just hope we're not doing something like saying that PMMail's message
view is like TB!'s folder view when the two, clearly, are not the same.  They
look the same.  They vaguely act the same.  But functionally they are
different.  :)

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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Steve Lamb]

Friday, July 14, 2000, 2:16:42 AM, Ming-Li wrote:
> Agreed. To be fair, though, its current arrangement isn't illogical
> per se. Yet the school of using Tab to move around fields and Arrows
> to move within a drop-down list has won out in today's Windows
> programming.

Bite your tongue!  I was tabbing around input fields well before there
/was/ a Windows!  That is standard practice of data entry for nearly as long
as there has been data entry.

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Re: More newbie Questions

[Ming-Li]

Hi Marck,

> Still,  last  minor bug I reported Stefan wrote me that he was
> hard at work  on  V2

Good to hear that.

> - he'd fix the bug if I didn't mind it delaying V2. I replied
> "don't let me distract you" :-).

Hm, looks like we all should restrain ourselves from "bugging"
him too much.

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Re[4]: Newbie questions

[Thomas Speer]

Hello phil,
on 05:11 you wrote:

yo forgot all the features an fixes that came up during beta 1 to 6

p> On Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 21:23:19 GMT -0500 (which was 7:23 PM
p> where you think I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
K>> Is there some list of the new or different features?
p> Search, or View the TBBETA archive HERE:
p>
p> To Subscribe to TBBETA, double-click HERE:
p>
p>   The Bat! v1.45 Beta/7 is now available from
p>   http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html
p>   Changes (not too much for today):
p> [*] Read-Only attributes are removed automatically
p> (to avoid problems caused by restoring data from a CD)
p> [-] Fix for late binding of attachments
p> [-] Filters were not copied correctly


Beta 6

[+] Search in Memo fields
[+] Search by colour group
[*] Files with Content-ID are now automatically extracted too
[*] Some corrections to the adding attachments routine
[*] OK/Cancel confirmation of immediate send from editor
(it was of Yes/No type before)
[*] Priority: urgent is now supported
[*] *.MSG/*.EML files now can be attached without encoding
[*] A little speed imrovement when searching in message text
[*] Storing visual parameters of Search window
[*] Calculation of POP/SMTP total/downloaded/transeffered sizes
is now more correct
[-] Bug with not extracting attachments from messages
(introduced in 1.45 Beta)
[-] Leak in CmdLine's /MAIL command
[-] %PRIORITY="H/N/L" macro is now working in the message editor
[-] /Mailto parameter was not working without a user implicitly set
[-] Buttons "Wait for completion" confirmation were messed up


beta 5

 [+] Kill filters Advanced page should now work

 [-] Bugs with copying/opening URLs from HTML viewer

 [-] Dial-up Monitor should now work under Windows NT (some weird
 things can be expected - should be tested thoroughly)
 
 [-] New icons in dial-up monitor
 
 [*] About box has new (temporary) look
 
 [*] Redesigned dial-up monitor window
 
 [+] New Abort button in dial-up monitor that terminates (frees) all
 queued tasks and connections
 
 [-] Bug with displaying of messages with the first textual part
 having the "filename" parameter set...

 [-] Leaks from around the program
 
 [*] Possible problems with loading/saving of INI files
 
 [-] VCF could not be viewed from messages
 
 [+] /LOGIN Command Line parameter - the parameters of this command
 are USER=account_name and PASSWORD=access_password
 (e.g. /LOGIN;USER=MyAccount;PASSWORD=MyPassword)
 to avoid login dialogue at startup in multi-user environment

 [-] List Index out of bounds error when combining unfinished split message

 [-] May be some other minor fixes that are forgotten :-)

 Beta 1

[+] Support of Reading Confirmation and Confirm Receipt Request
compatible with RFC 2298 and RFC 1891 (respectively)

[+] Empty subject reminder

[+] Add random data from file for PGP key generation

[+] Advanced Address options in the filters

[+] Shift/Ctrl/Alt keys pressed make Reply button to work different

[*] New automatic send/reply/forward module - it should be more safe,
fast and with less errors...

[*] PGP version, comment block and hash algorithm wasn't put

[*] Paste quotation now uses initials

[*] System-independent UTF encoding/decoding

[-] Attachments were not forwarded

[-] List Index out of bounds error when combining unfinished split
message

[-] Help button in PGP window didn't work

[-] Attachment size was calculated with 2 extra bytes...

[-] Some other minor glitches
 


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Re: More newbie Questions

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Curtis,

On 14 July 2000 at 06:52:53 GMT -0500 (which was 12:52 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "More newbie Questions":

MDP>> ...  The ticker contains all unread messages ... messages can be
MDP>> pre-filtered and still gathered to one place for mass-viewing.

C> Mass viewing without colour codes.  I'm wondering when
C> that will be fixed. :-/

Me too. I complained about that practically on the day colour grouping
was introduced IIRC. It's a major shortcoming of what, IMHO, is one of
the   greatest   plus   points  of  TB.  Other  major  pluses  include
QuickTemplates,  the  power  of template macros and the versatility of
the  filters.  The last is only marred by the insistence that filtered
messages have to /move/ somewhere (shudder).

Still,  last  minor bug I reported Stefan wrote me that he was hard at
work  on  V2  -  he'd  fix  the bug if I didn't mind it delaying V2. I
replied "don't let me distract you" :-).

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Re: Changing text colour

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Marco,

On 14 July 2000 at 13:56:16 GMT +0200 (which was 12:56 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Changing text colour":

JT>> Most of us pray to the powers above that Bat will always remain
JT>> text-only mail client.

MR> Of course I don't want The Bat! to become like OE, I do appreciate
MR> it  as  is,  but  in some cases (quotes, e-mail addresses) also TB
MR> changes  the  text  colours,  even  if it remains a text-only mail
MR> client.  What  I wanted to know is if this features can be used in
MR> other cases, if one wants to.

There  aren't  many  other  entities that can be easily distinguished.
Quotes,  URLs  and addresses are pretty obvious and easily picked out.
What  would distinguish the text of a reading confirmation, bearing in
mind  that  such  text is completely free-form and user definable. One
area does come to mind that can be distinguished is the signature when
the  is used. I can't think of anything else.

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Re[2]: Changing text colour

[Marco Rossini]

Hello Jason,

Friday July 14th, 2000, 1.06 PM, you wrote:

JT> Hello Marco and Bat Buddies...

MR>>   does  anyone  know if it's possible to change the text colour in the
MR>>   message  body  or in some parts of it? Can I use a macro to do it in
MR>>   templates?  There  are some mail readers, like Lotus Notes, that can
MR>>   set  different  colours  in  some  parts  of  the message body, i.e.
MR>>   reading  confirmations.  It would be funny to do the same thing with
MR>>   The Bat! Thanks.

JT> The answer is...No! The Bat! supports no text formatting like bold,
JT> italic, color, etc. Use MS Outlook if you want these features.

JT> Most of us pray to the powers above that Bat will always remain
JT> text-only mail client.


Of  course I don't want The Bat! to become like OE, I do appreciate it
as  is,  but  in some cases (quotes, e-mail addresses) also TB changes
the  text  colours, even if it remains a text-only mail client. What I
wanted  to know is if this features can be used in other cases, if one
wants to.

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Re: More newbie Questions

[Curtis]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:49:43 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

MDP> This  is  a  new Universe. The Bat has the ticker. The ticker contains
MDP> all  unread  messages  (from  all  folders  that  may  be  selected to
MDP> contribute their new mail content to the ticker - see folder options).
MDP> When  you  open  new  mail  from  the ticker, you are presented with a
MDP> single  "virtual"  folder  containing *only* the new mail. There is an
MDP> interesting keyword in here regarding "from all folders" ISFA messages
MDP> can be pre-filtered and still gathered to one place for mass-viewing.

Mass viewing without colour codes.  I'm wondering when that
will be fixed. :-/

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Re: More newbie Questions

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Katsmeow,

On 13 July 2000 at 14:48:38 GMT -0500 (which was 20:48 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "More newbie Questions":

K> Thought of two more.

K> 1.  Quick Templates look great to me and I want to use them.  However,
K> when I start to type in one, it is all one line and the line does not
K> wrap.  Also when I insert it in my message it does not wrap.  It does
K> wrap for the recipient but that doesn't help me.  I need to be able to
K> have it wrap on the screen for me as I need to customize the exact
K> language so need to be able to see it.  For example, in Eudora I have
K> stationary where I have set up a form letter to send to people who buy
K> books.  I fill in manually the amount.  I am having problem setting up
K> a quick template as it is hard to do this when it won't wrap during
K> creation or when I insert it.  I am sure I am doing something
K> wrong...but what?

It  will  wrap  automatically  during  if  you  have  auto-format  and
auto-wrap  both  enabled  for  the  editor.  Otherwise  you can insert
returns into the quick template at will. Also you can prepare the text
in  a  dummy  message,  cut it and finally paste it into the new Quick
template.

Following  use of an unformatted Quick Template in a message, a simple
Alt-L (or Alt-J) keystroke will reflow the text.

K> 2. If I want only unread messages displayed, do I have to manually
K> set that each time the program opens by going to View and then
K> Display or can I set a default for only unread messages to show?

This  is  a  new Universe. The Bat has the ticker. The ticker contains
all  unread  messages  (from  all  folders  that  may  be  selected to
contribute their new mail content to the ticker - see folder options).
When  you  open  new  mail  from  the ticker, you are presented with a
single  "virtual"  folder  containing *only* the new mail. There is an
interesting keyword in here regarding "from all folders" ISFA messages
can be pre-filtered and still gathered to one place for mass-viewing.

I  find this facility far more versatile than any other scheme by far.
Of course, that's just my opinion and others may well disagree.

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Re: Newbie questions

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Steve,

On 13 July 2000 at 13:38:39 GMT -0700 (which was 21:38 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Newbie questions":

 3.  Is there anything in The Bat comparable to labels in Eudora?  If
 so, what?

>>> Labels?

>> If memory serves me well (it rarely does, and I used Eudora many
>> years ago), labels are colors.

SL>Well, if labels are colors and he knows of colors, why the
SL> question. I'm puzzled.

He  didn't know of the parallel - and now (between us) we've filled in
the gaps. Labels are colours :-).

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Re: Changing text colour

[Curtis]

On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:45:38 +0200, Marco Rossini wrote:

MR>   does  anyone  know if it's possible to change the text colour in
MR>   the message  body  or in some parts of it? Can I use a macro to do
MR>   it in templates?  There  are some mail readers, like Lotus Notes,
MR>   that can set  different  colours  in  some  parts  of  the message
MR>   body, i.e. reading  confirmations.  It would be funny to do the
MR>   same thing with The Bat! Thanks.

No, TB!'s editor cannot do this. It would have to support RTF
(rich text format) or HTML formatting which it doesn't.

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Re: Changing text colour

[Jason Thompson]

Hello Marco and Bat Buddies...

MR>   does  anyone  know if it's possible to change the text colour in the
MR>   message  body  or in some parts of it? Can I use a macro to do it in
MR>   templates?  There  are some mail readers, like Lotus Notes, that can
MR>   set  different  colours  in  some  parts  of  the message body, i.e.
MR>   reading  confirmations.  It would be funny to do the same thing with
MR>   The Bat! Thanks.

The answer is...No! The Bat! supports no text formatting like bold,
italic, color, etc. Use MS Outlook if you want these features.

Most of us pray to the powers above that Bat will always remain
text-only mail client.

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Changing text colour

[Marco Rossini]

Hello TBUDL,

  does  anyone  know if it's possible to change the text colour in the
  message  body  or in some parts of it? Can I use a macro to do it in
  templates?  There  are some mail readers, like Lotus Notes, that can
  set  different  colours  in  some  parts  of  the message body, i.e.
  reading  confirmations.  It would be funny to do the same thing with
  The Bat! Thanks.

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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Ming-Li]

Hi Tobias,

>>  try to tab into the drop down boxes next to it.  Will not work.

> confirmed. But you can enter that drop down boxes with the arrow
> keys. But then again I cannot scroll in the list. :-(

Try space bar.

> Definitly its a strange usage of tabkey and arrowkeys.

Agreed. To be fair, though, its current arrangement isn't illogical
per se. Yet the school of using Tab to move around fields and Arrows
to move within a drop-down list has won out in today's Windows
programming.

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Re: Workstation e-mail sits in outbox

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Clemens,

On 14 July 2000 at 18:41:45 GMT +1000 (which was 09:41 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Workstation e-mail sits in outbox":

CV> A similar set-up in a customers office and messages just sit in
CV> the OUTBOX on the (The Bat!) server until they are manually sent
CV> on from the server.

I've  not  used TB in a client/server role but the switch that I would
imagine  had  an  effect  here is the "Account options -- Transport --
Delivery : Immediate / Deferred" setting.

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Workstation e-mail sits in outbox

[Clemens Vermeulen]

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Hello The Bat! List friends,

A workstation in my office behaves 100% and messages are sent
immediately.

A similar set-up in a customers office and messages just sit in the
OUTBOX on the (The Bat!) server until they are manually sent on from
the server.

I have compared set-up notes but I am not seeing it. Anybody know what
I may be missing?


Best regards,
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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Tobias Wrede]

Hallo Steve,

Am Donnerstag, 13. Juli 2000 um 18:51:08 hast Du geschrieben:

>   I'm using The Bat! Version 1.44
>   under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5

SP 6a here.

> Create a new filter.  Try to use the mouse to enter the text box for the
> string to search on.  Will not work.

works here.

> From that field (must be tabbed into)

You mean 'clicked into'? It was your point above that you cant tab
into. Did I get something wrong.

>  try to tab into the drop down boxes
> next to it.  Will not work.

confirmed. But you can enter that drop down boxes with the arrow keys.
But then again I cannot scroll in the list. :-(

Definitly its a strange usage of tabkey and arrowkeys.

so long
Tobias

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