Re: Encryption of .TBB Mailboxes?
On Sunday, November 12, 2000, 10:28:53 PM, Alexander wrote: JA It is now up to the user to get a 3rd party program to encrypt JA their data. Well, I don't think that this is the appropriate solution. [...] I find it a bit drastic to install something like PGPDisk (with all its drivers) just to encrypt a few mail files. IMHO it's quite appropriate to leave this to third-party solutions. Typically users who are in need of encrypting their mail files have the same need for other documents or data files they have. It's neither practical nor efficient for every application to provide built-in encryption solutions. So please, makers of TB, I know you have a lot on the users' wish list, but implementing encryption of the mail files should go fairly quick. Well, ask around and you'll find most people think their wishes "should go fairly quick". :) (While I think this is better left to third-party solutions, I certainly don't mind should RIT decide to take it upon themselves. So I'm not really against your wish.) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/6 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Encryption of .TBB Mailboxes?
Hello Ming-Li, Monday, November 13, 2000, 3:06:31 PM, you wrote: ML IMHO it's quite appropriate to leave this to third-party solutions. ML Typically users who are in need of encrypting their mail files have ML the same need for other documents or data files they have. It's ML neither practical nor efficient for every application to provide ML built-in encryption solutions. So you are saying that only people who have in general sensitive data on their computer would appreciate a feature to encrypt their mails. See, I don't care if my roommate reads the paper I wrote on H.D. Thoreau, but I DO care if he reads in my mail how much my girlfriend misses me. And I DO care if he reads a lot of other things in my mail. Fact is that my mail contains the most private aspects of my life, more than anything else on my hard drive. And here another important point: Currently The Bat offers a feature to "lock" (is that the best-fitting word?) your mail account, so that without a password another user cannot "unfold" it inside The Bat. Excuse me, that is just exactly what Microsoft does for years: sell software that APPEARS to be secure. If there is really no desire for mail encryption, then why offer this pretence of protection? AND: Unlike you assert it, it is neither impractical nor inefficient for The Bat to encrypt the mail files. There is an option to "lock" the mail folder, as mentioned above, right? For this the user enters a password, right? So in respect to implementing the encryption all one has to do is a) Hash the user-password e.g. with SHA-2 to 256bit b) Use the hash as the key to encrypt the mail files with a secure cipher such as Rijndael (the AES winner) or Serpent. This can be done in less than 20 code lines! And the code for this is public domain. And the user has no extra burden, it is completely transparent. For people who may object that there is some kind of export regulation in some countries, you can always choose a less strong cipher (e.g. decrease the keyspace to 128bit). ML Well, ask around and you'll find most people think their wishes ML "should go fairly quick". :) True, I acknowledge that, and therefore, if necessary, I can offer a sample code written in Delphi (the language of The Bat). ML So I'm not really against your wish.) Thanks, I feel better now :) Greets, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Help! My icons disappeared.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello BatListers, Where did my icons go? Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D And TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOhB0i5ccVS5MnN+dEQIZKwCgysfkYBX2MeV21sXqTZi0rCl0K0EAn0rc 0DAoO6BjDjvuYV9zEhe5/CU1 =6Ymz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Sorting by Subject AND Date
The bat of happiness fluttered its wings and whispered to me that Thomas Fernandez said on Sunday, November 12, 2000: LK I've only been using The Bat! for about 3 weeks now and I've been LK looking in the Help file and I have looking under Dates and Sorting in LK the FAQ but I can't seem to find any reference if you can sort the LK messages in your individual mail folders by first the Subject and LK second by Date. This way on some of my mailing lists the original LK email message would stay at the top of the thread not somewhere in the LK middle. If you only sort by subject, wouldn't the mails with the same subject automatically be sorted in the order they arrived? No. In fact, ironically, Lynn's question appears before Thomas's answer when I sort by subject. This is typical behavior for TB!, and it's annoying to have to mentally reconstruct a discussion which is displayed in the wrong order. Another way you might want to try is threading by subject. In the message list menu, use View / View Threads by... Depending on whether the members of the mailing lists use a decnet email client, threading by reference might even be better than by subject. Try it out. Threading seems to work fine, except that threads are shown unexpanded and when you delete a message, instead of going to the next message in the thread, it goes to the top message of the next thread, so I gave up on threading. I normally read messages in the "preview" window, and seldom double-click on a message unless I need to see all the headers. -- Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen crispen at hiwaay dot net A child of five could understand this. Fetch me a child of five. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Sorting by Subject AND Date
On November 13, 2000, at 4:11:19 PM, Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen Wrote: RBBC Threading seems to work fine, except that threads are shown RBBC unexpanded and when you delete a message, instead of going to the RBBC next message in the thread, it goes to the top message of the next RBBC thread, so I gave up on threading. Try View/Display/All Messages, together with View/Sort by/Received Time and View threads by/Subject. That should sort the messages correctly for you, and when you delete a message, it will jump to the next message in the thread. Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.48 Beta 6 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Trying to make a anti-spam filter in The Bat!
Hi Guys :) What I do is move everything that isn't addressed directly to me to the trash, and for those things that I should be getting that don't have my address in them, I filter first. One thing though. The Bat! seems to have trouble filtering sometimes. I'm not sure why. Like two messages that where supposed to go to my Bat! list folder, when to my eBay folder. :( - MartianRover KF6KNC __ Contact Info Visit http://www.Bigfoot.com/~MartianRover/contact.html My homepage is http://www.Bigfoot.com/~MartianRover -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Help! My icons disappeared.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:08:49 -0500, Jan Rifkinson graced us with these comments: JR Where did my icons go? Have you restarted TB!? - -- A. Curtis Martin | Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "2 + 2 = 4 (for the time being). " _ TB! v1.48 Beta/6 (S/N CCA4F9B8) | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOhCPNfAXeSHuB5k3EQI4tACdHR5NRLrahVIzwrI7HBjLi+451VUAoMAK Jil+5Q2c6UC7ze8c9Xaj1yw7 =5dKB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Trying to make a anti-spam filter in The Bat!
Hello MartianRover, On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 at 10:54:31 GMT -0800 (which was 10:54 AM where I live) witnesses say MartianRover KF6KNC typed: One thing though. The Bat! seems to have trouble filtering sometimes. I'm not sure why. Like two messages that where supposed to go to my Bat! list folder, when to my eBay folder. :( That is likely due to a unintended match. What is your filter string for your TBUDL filter? Which of the two filters is first in the Sorting office list? I've found the following works flawlessly. StringLocation Presence Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Kludges Yes I don't know how specific your eBay filter is, but you should probably put the TBUDL filter as your first Mailing list filter since it is very specific. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.48 Beta/6 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Help! My icons disappeared.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi A. Curtis, On Monday, November 13, 2000 @ 20:02:45 -0500 you wrote the following in regards to Help! My icons disappeared.: A. Curtis Have you restarted TB!? Yes. To be specific I am referring to the icons that represent upload, download, reply, reply to all, redirect, etc. Thanks. - -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D And TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOhCYbpccVS5MnN+dEQK+6ACfYdyZGdQlQPBCR2fXm4uSfwQF2RwAoKFq TM6VhcNLdvriGj/JxiFosu8R =j3xR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Help! My icons disappeared.
On November 13, 2000, at 5:41:56 PM, Jan Rifkinson Wrote: JR Yes. To be specific I am referring to the icons JR that represent upload, download, reply, reply to JR all, redirect, etc. Thanks. Have you tried View/Toolbars? Perhaps you inadvertently hid your toolbars somehow. Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.48 Beta 6 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Help! My icons disappeared.
Hello Jan, Monday, November 13, 2000, 8:41:56 PM, you wrote: JR Yes. To be specific I am referring to the icons JR that represent upload, download, reply, reply to JR all, redirect, etc. Thanks. click on View-Toolbars-main -- Cheers, Cricketmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] User error: replace user and press any key to continue. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Help! My icons disappeared.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Nick, On Monday, November 13, 2000 @ 17:53:32 -0800, you wrote the following about "Help! My icons disappeared." Nick HaveyoutriedView/Toolbars? Perhaps you Nick inadvertently hid your toolbars somehow. Stupid me, that's it. Questions are how/when did I do thathow did I overlook View/Toolbars. Grrr. Thanks, Nick. - -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D And TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOhCeKZccVS5MnN+dEQLcBQCdGkVg6NuAH7ndRdAYnJvRvbra408An2w3 VF7CHLasiVV75Bdf2KquJEy7 =YxMq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Encryption of .TBB Mailboxes?
Hello Alexander, On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 at 15:41:42 GMT +0100 (which was 6:41 AM where I live) witnesses say Alexander Turcic typed: So you are saying that only people who have in general sensitive data on their computer would appreciate a feature to encrypt their mails. This was discussed in much detail many moons ago. The general consensus was that since there are so many different encryption needs, it would be better for TB to stay out of the fray. As someone else pointed out, if something goes wrong with your TB installation, there is a good chance that you'll lose all of your encrypted mail. At least with external solutions, the user has to assess that risk themselves. See, I don't care if my roommate reads the paper I wrote on H.D. Thoreau, but I DO care if he reads in my mail how much my girlfriend misses me. And I DO care if he reads a lot of other things in my mail. Fact is that my mail contains the most private aspects of my life, more than anything else on my hard drive. Ok, that might be true right now, but what if one of your contacts sends you a very personal Word document or some other thing which you might not want your roommate to read? External solutions can provide as much flexibility as you desire. And here another important point: Currently The Bat offers a feature to "lock" (is that the best-fitting word?) your mail account, so that without a password another user cannot "unfold" it inside The Bat. Excuse me, that is just exactly what Microsoft does for years: This is what I was saying at the beginning. Windows 9x passwords are meaningless because you can hit the cancel button to get into the root account. TB is no better or worse. sell software that APPEARS to be secure. If there is really no desire for mail encryption, then why offer this pretence of protection? I agree, TB should really warn the user that the password option is not secure. I think the password remains important if you use the Group mode capabilities of TB. It prevents accidental or casual intrusion into your mail. However, you seem to need more than just casual protection. AND: Unlike you assert it, it is neither impractical nor inefficient for The Bat to encrypt the mail files. snip implementation notes Sounds good, but what happens if a mail database gets corrupted. How does the user recover their data? The current mechanism gets the RIT guys off the hook for such tasks. Are there 3rd party recovery tools that can help fix problems with this encryption scheme? I think the other reason we're touting the 3rd party option is that everyone seems to have their favourite encryption schemes. But you said the one you mentioned is very easy to implement. Are there any public domain general purpose file encryption programs that use the encryption scheme you mentioned? Thanks, I feel better now :) I hope we're not scaring you off. I am presenting some of the points from earlier discussions on this same topic. Also, remember that the decision was to remove *weak* encryption. Your option of adding stronger encryption isn't exactly the same. Also the RITlabs guys seem to be moving towards security issues with the focus on S/MIME. So, perhaps your suggestion will fit into their current vision. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.48 Beta/6 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
password protection
Hi TBUDL, I know I can protect accounts with passwords so as to prevent accidental mail checking by someone else who uses my computer. I have five accounts at home, and I don't want to have to key in five passwords when I want to check my mail. Instead, I want one password to start The Bat!. Encryption is no issue, but my roommate does manage to hit the TB icon by accident instead of the Netscape icon, and the next time I start TB, I find unread messages. What I want to prevent is accidental mail checking (all accounts are set to "check every xxx minutes") without having to go into five seperate accounts. Any ideas? -- TIA, Thomas Message created with The Bat! 1.47 Halloween Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: password protection
Hello Thomas, On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 at 11:02:55 GMT +0800 (which was 7:02 PM where I live) witnesses say Thomas Fernandez typed: Instead, I want one password to start The Bat!. Encryption is no issue, but my roommate does manage to hit the TB icon by accident instead of the Netscape icon, and the next time I start TB, I find unread messages. What I want to prevent is accidental mail checking (all accounts are set to "check every xxx minutes") without having to go into five seperate accounts. Any ideas? Use the group mode options. Options - Network and Administration If you use all 5 accounts regularly, create a sixth dummy account that will be your administrator account. Change the other 5 to User level accounts, then under the Groups tab, create a group with your 5 user level accounts. Now when you launch TB, you'll get a dialogue box asking for the User name and password. Just enter the group name and you'll have access to your 5 accounts. You can also play around with Permissions and things. Note: You will need to log in as the administrator account to make certain changes. However, this would probably be well off set by the advantages. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.48 Beta/6 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: password protection
Hi Januk, On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:49:25 -0800GMT (14/11/2000, 11:49 +0800GMT), Januk Aggarwal wrote: JA If you use all 5 accounts regularly, create a sixth dummy account that JA will be your administrator account. Change the other 5 to User level JA accounts, then under the Groups tab, create a group with your 5 user JA level accounts. Now when you launch TB, you'll get a dialogue box JA asking for the User name and password. Just enter the group name and JA you'll have access to your 5 accounts. You can also play around with JA Permissions and things. Thanks, this is exactly what I have been looking for. :-) I will try it out as soon as I get home. JA Note: JA You will need to log in as the administrator account to make JA certain changes. However, this would probably be well off set by the JA advantages. True. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.47 Halloween Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
