Re: The bat review

[Thomas]

Hi Yuki,

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:53:47 +0900GMT (01/02/2001, 14:53 +0800GMT),
Yuki Taga wrote:

> I'm running W2k Pro (SP-1), and using NJStar Communicator 2.23(NT).

So I guess W2K is not "all languages" as advertised.

I don't know NJ Star Comm, so cannot comment on this.

> Problem with getting a lot of Pegasus users over
> to TB!, however, is that a lot of Pegasus users are used to free.  

So, for free you can read "no Japanese". You get waht you pay for,
iosn't that what they say? 

> One solution would probably be to set the default language for the system
> to Japanese.  But I have some other applications that require English, and
> setting the system to Japanese breaks some aspects of those apps.

The default langauge on my system is Chinese. I have disabled this on
the reg howqever, with the result that I can now see European
characters (if an email is written in German), which is more valuable
to myself. However, other apps (MS-Word) will still be toggleable to
Chinese.

> I'm surprised you can read the subject lines in the message list window.
> What FEP are *you* using?  ^_^

None. I use Chinese Windows 98. With a Chinese GUI - and I'm sooo
thankful that TB (and some other apps) are in English. ;-)

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Re[2]: Multipart massages

[Silver Fox]

Hello Michal,

Tuesday, January 30, 2001, 1:52:49 AM, you wrote:

>> Get some freespace at one of those sites offering free server space
>> and ftp the file. This obviates the necessity of breaking it into
>> parts and offers a more efficient way of transferring the file.

>> Otherwise, there's no easier way.

MK> Maybe some other suggestions?

Use RAR or WinRAR to compress it.  Since you want to compress most
large files you email anyhow, use RAR, then the recipient can either
just click on it (self extracting SFX) or use RAR or WinRAR to
uncompress it.  RAR has an option to create several files for one
volume.  Works great.  You can compress a 10 meg file down to 5 megs,
then RAR will automatically break it into any size you specify.  ie, 4
files of 1.44Megs.

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Cab The Bat! retrieve HTTP mail (Hotmail)?

[Bruno Haineault]

  I am trying-out The Bat! 1.49 as a potential replacement for OLE 5.5
  Two questions:
  1.  Can  I  configure  The  Bat!  to  retrieve  mail from my Hotmail
  account? (HTTP mail). I can do this with OLE 5.5
  2.  Is there a "News" module that is available for The Bat!  I still
  need to fire-up OLE 5.5 to be able to use its news reader.

  Thanks in advance.

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Re: Multipart massages

[Michal Kozusznik]

Hello A.,

Monday, January 29, 2001, 7:12:04 PM, A. Curtis Martin wrote:

> Get some freespace at one of those sites offering free server space
> and ftp the file. This obviates the necessity of breaking it into
> parts and offers a more efficient way of transferring the file.

Yep.. You are discovered an America again...

> Otherwise, there's no easier way.

Maybe at this time. But maybe TB! could have some options for do that?
Example1:  TB!  splits  large  files  in  siple way and sends multiple
mails.  simple way Means they could be joined by simply binary joining
(CAT). TB! could have an option for joining. The lenht of files should
be definable in prefs, ie: ALL attachs larger then  bytes will be
splits into  bytes pieces.

Example2:  TB!  gives  possibility  to  send the same mail many times.
After  choose  this  option, I could attach the 1st file, send it, but
window  will not close. It still the same with destination address and
body  text  but  without attach. Now, I could attach 2nd file and send
it. Etc.

Maybe some other suggestions?

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Re[2]: Message Created time question

[Yuki Taga]

Hello Thomas,

>> Also, why would a message come in on a subsequent download with a creation
>> time a minute prior to the previous download?

T> The sender's PC clock was off. ;-)

How come I couldn't figure that out?  ;-))

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Re[2]: The bat review

[Yuki Taga]

Hello Thomas,

Thursday, February 01, 2001, 12:48:31 PM, you wrote:

T> On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 05:51:52 +0900GMT (01/02/2001, 04:51 +0800GMT),
T> Yuki Taga wrote:

T> I can read and write subejcts, body texts and everything in Chinese
T> (Big5). (Except I can't read or write of course, but people in my
T> office can.) What OS are you running and what is your FEP?

I'm running W2k Pro (SP-1), and using NJStar Communicator 2.23(NT).  I can
read messages perfectly, but the only way to see what's in the subject line
is to drag the cursor over the 'mojibake' (screen-garbage in Japanese).
Then I can read it, but there is no way I've found to read it in the
message list window.  Messages decode flawlessly, however, like they used
to do several versions ago in Pegasus.  But since 3.0, Pegasus is a no go
if you need DBCS support.  Problem with getting a lot of Pegasus users over
to TB!, however, is that a lot of Pegasus users are used to free.  

One solution would probably be to set the default language for the system
to Japanese.  But I have some other applications that require English, and
setting the system to Japanese breaks some aspects of those apps.  (So I'm
forced to use an English system, probably for as long as I can see, because
of some legacy stuff.  All I need is a mailer that can handle Asian
languages without a problem.  Outlook doesn't quite cut it, regardless of
what MS says.  If TB! comes through, I've found a home . . .

I'm surprised you can read the subject lines in the message list window.
What FEP are *you* using?  ^_^

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Re: Message Created time question

[Thomas]

Hi Yuki,

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:05:15 +0900GMT (01/02/2001, 11:05 +0800GMT),
Yuki Taga wrote:

> New user here has a question regarding Created sorting.  Is time zone
> correction automatically applied, or do I have to set that somewhere?

It's automatic.

> Also, why would a message come in on a subsequent download with a creation
> time a minute prior to the previous download?

The sender's PC clock was off. ;-)

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Re: Sender info for quotation

[Thomas]

Hi Pete,

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:18:45 +0200GMT (01/02/2001, 03:18 +0800GMT),
Pete P wrote:

>   Of course, the best thing would be if it was possible with a
>   macro(?) to create the info excactly the way I want it in each
>   folder.

You are looking for the %QuoteStyle macro. There is lots about it in
the Help with several choices how to use it. Check it out.

>  For instance if I reply to someone called "Sagittarius" I
>   wouldn't want to use the whole name (a bit lengthy) and simple S
>   sounds pretty dull. I'd use perhaps Sag or S-us or something like
>   that if it was possible.

It is: on a folder (or addressbook) level, use %Quotestyle="=Sag"

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List Administrator Note

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello All,

This  message  to  clarify  some confusing after the ListServer activate
Reverse Lookup Anti Spamming.

Currently  I  have  activated "domain name checking" lookup only, either
the  sender/poster  or  HOST  sender (as claim on HELO/EHLO command), if
failed the ListServer will reject (terminate the connection at once).

Even  I activate Reverse Lookup and MAPS-RBL/ORBS (open relay) checking,
but  if  this  checking  will  *not*  reject  the  message,  only make a
note/flag.

If  ListServer  failed to Reverse Lookup sender ip address, you will see
(additional) header as follow :
X-Lookup-Warning: reverse lookup on original sender failed

And,  if  ListServer  find that your MailServer listed on MAPS-RBL/ORBS,
you will see something like this :
X-RBL-Warning: mail from xx.xx.xx.xx refused by ORBS, see http://www.orbs.org


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Re: Simple regex request

[Elden Fenison]

A.,

On Wednesday, January 31, 2001, 10:21:13 AM, you wrote:

ACM> It's really just the syntax that's being criticised. '='
ACM> means 'equal to'. That's what it means when used in all
ACM> other macros except in the context of address book macros
ACM> where it means 'if no value found then ='.

Yes, and that macro statement you gave me is working great...
thanks again for the help. It's little things like this that make
The Bat! so cool IMHO. :)


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Re: The bat review

[Thomas]

Hi Yuki,

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 05:51:52 +0900GMT (01/02/2001, 04:51 +0800GMT),
Yuki Taga wrote:

> The final clincher was David Harris' (Pegasus developer) decision to
> abandon any plans to support double-byte character sets in the
> future. Not only that, but recent versions of Pegasus contain
> something that cause Asian languages not to decode properly even
> with a front-end processor.

While this is bad news for Pegasus, it is certainly good news for The
Bat!. We (that most importantly includes Ming-Li) have been lobbying
for full DBCS support.

> At least TB! even now (without formal DBCS support) doesn't get in
> the way of an FEP, however we still can't read subject lines until
> version 2, I guess.

I can read and write subejcts, body texts and everything in Chinese
(Big5). (Except I can't read or write of course, but people in my
office can.) What OS are you running and what is your FEP?

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Message Created time question

[Yuki Taga]

Hi all,

New user here has a question regarding Created sorting.  Is time zone
correction automatically applied, or do I have to set that somewhere?
Also, why would a message come in on a subsequent download with a creation
time a minute prior to the previous download?  In this case, the message
came from America, and I'm in Japan, yet the creation times were only a
minute apart.  So I suspect time zone correction is happening
automatically.  But I'm wondering why a subsequently received message would
get an earlier time stamp, which puts it out of the proper sort order
wherever it lands.

Version 1.49e; Win2k Pro; blazingly fast all-scsi subsystem with resources
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Re[4]: Export messages

[Lija]

Hello Jan,

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, at 12:49:47 (your local time), you wrote:

JR>   With the focus in msg list, use CTRL-* to expand. When you change
JR>   focus to folder list, msg list collapses automatically I believe.

Yes... but I have to change focus to some _other_ folder :)

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ARGHHH !!! [was: Re[3]: I just want the filters to work]

[Lija]

Hello Pasquale and ALL of you (including moderators;) who use full-quoting!

PLEASE do not embed all quoting in the replies! Keep it to the MINIMUM, because
these messages are large enough and large quoting makes most of us *annoyed*!

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Re: Move msg to another Account?

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On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, at 20:59:22 [GMT +0100], Wolfgang Kynast wrote:

WK> Sorry for my weak english: I wanted to qualify *my* question
WK> as dumb. It was a translation from german, word by word, which
WK> gives obviously another meaning in english.

The problem is not that your expression has another meaning in
English, it's that you used a German idiomatic expression that was
somewhat ambiguous when translated. I picked up on your intended
meaning without a second thought, but since there is no standard
interpretation for this expression, multiple meanings are possible.

Since so many list members aren't native English speakers, we
shouldn't be overly sensitive to grammar errors, misspellings or
mangled idioms.


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Re[3]: The bat review

[Yuki Taga]

Hello Silver,

Thursday, February 01, 2001, 1:33:07 AM, you wrote:

MDP>> Times changes. Things move on. People adapt - that's just part of
MDP>> being human.

SF> Well I don't.  I've always double spaced after sentences.  That's the
SF> way my pappy does it, the way my grand pappy did it, the way ...

SF> :)

Smiling face noted.  ^_^ <-- Japanese style.  I think anyone who suggests
that people have to change the way they've been taught to type
underestimate the speed at which a good typist can operate.  The double
space after periods at the end of sentences is so automatic, and I type so
fast, altering that behavior would be quite a project.  Besides, text is
infinitely more readable that way, too.  ^_-  <-- wink

To A. Curtis: Thanks for the tip on the auto-indent.  I'm quite new to TB!,
but I instantly recognized what I saw, and made the decision to leave
Pegasus after almost a decade in pretty short order.  And since Stefan
fixed the bug (as of 1.49e) in the Pegasus import wizard that caused some
people not to be able to import, I may be home free here.  The final
clincher was David Harris' (Pegasus developer) decision to abandon any
plans to support double-byte character sets in the future.  Not only that,
but recent versions of Pegasus contain something that cause Asian languages
not to decode properly even with a front-end processor.  At least TB! even
now (without formal DBCS support) doesn't get in the way of an FEP,
however we still can't read subject lines until version 2, I guess.

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Re[4]: Move msg to another Account?

[Yuki Taga]

Hello Wolfgang,

Thursday, February 01, 2001, 4:59:22 AM, you wrote:

WK> Hi Gerry,

WK>>> Dumb question: why didn't you simply try it?

GD>> I hope you were just joking around when you said that.  We all would
GD>> like people to try things and read the "manual" so to speak before
GD>> asking a question, but, stating that a person had a dumb question is,
GD>> IMHO, not a good thing to do, especially for a moderator.

GD>> I apologize in advance if I misunderstood your meaning.

WK> Sorry for my weak english: I wanted to qualify *my* question
WK> as dumb. It was a translation from german, word by word, which
WK> gives obviously another meaning in english.


At first I read it the wrong way, too, Wolfgang, and I was surprised that
anyone would do that on this list, after reading the FAQ.  But on closer
examination I realized you were referring to your own question.  As English
is my second language as well, but one I'm very comfortable with, I've
learned the hard way to be very careful employing any possibly pejorative
vocabulary.  ^_-


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Re: Move msg to another Account?

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Hi Lars,

On  31  January  2001 at 21:27:37 +0100 (which was 20:27 where I live)
Lars Geiger wrote and made these points:

LG> I don't think that something similar is common in English
LG> speaking countries but in Germany it's quite usual to declare
LG> something a 'dumb question' ("Dumme Frage") if you can't
LG> understand something. It's just a literal translation which
LG> obviously caused some misunderstanding.

Agreed.  There  is  actually  an  English phrase which parallels this:
"Silly question, I know, but ...".

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Re: Export messages

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Lija,
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, at 17:02:32 +0100 you wrote:

L> Hm, what about differencies in CR/LF codes between Unix and
L> Win platforms? AFAIK, "black rectangles" will appear (when you
L> look at in Notepad).

'Unix mailbox' uses only the file format common for mailboxes on
*ix systems, not the *ix way of character or text encoding, so it
will work fine, I guess. BTW, you could use a 'proper' editor
which knows how to handle text from *ix systems.

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Re: Move msg to another Account?

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Nick,
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, at 11:04:57 -0800 you wrote:

NA> At 10:35 AM 31/01/01, Gerry Doyon wrote:

>>I hope you were just joking around when you said that. We all
>>would like people to try things and read the "manual" so to
>>speak before asking a question, but, stating that a person had
>>a dumb question is, IMHO, not a good thing to do, especially
>>for a moderator.

NA> Well said Gerry, and I would take it a step further, and send
NA> a letter to the List Owner. That is yet another unacceptable
NA> comment by Wolfgang, and should not be tolerated.

I think both of you misunderstood Wolfgang. IMO 'dumb question'
referred to his question: 'why didn't you simply try it?'

I don't think that something similar is common in English
speaking countries but in Germany it's quite usual to declare
something a 'dumb question' ("Dumme Frage") if you can't
understand something. It's just a literal translation which
obviously caused some misunderstanding.

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folders gone

[Hermes]

Hi , today I started the bat ! and all my folders were gone , is there
a way to restore them ?
 
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Re[3]: Move msg to another Account?

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Gerry,

WK>> Dumb question: why didn't you simply try it?

GD> I hope you were just joking around when you said that.  We all would
GD> like people to try things and read the "manual" so to speak before
GD> asking a question, but, stating that a person had a dumb question is,
GD> IMHO, not a good thing to do, especially for a moderator.

GD> I apologize in advance if I misunderstood your meaning.

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Sender info for quotation

[Pete P]

Hello TBUDL!

  Is there any way to determine the sender information for quotation
  (in the account's properties/templates/reply) on a *folder* level?
  In most cases initials is a good choice but sometimes I do prefer
  something else and I have to change it in the account properties and
  then change it back. And some senders have such from names that
  it's best to use the "none" option.

  Of course, the best thing would be if it was possible with a
  macro(?) to create the info excactly the way I want it in each
  folder. For instance if I reply to someone called "Sagittarius" I
  wouldn't want to use the whole name (a bit lengthy) and simple S
  sounds pretty dull. I'd use perhaps Sag or S-us or something like
  that if it was possible.

  I tried to fiddle with the folder's message reply template but with
  no results. Any ideas? Am I trying to do something which is not
  possible. There seems to be a macro %FOLDERNAME... could *that* be
  used in the quotation?

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Re[2]: Move msg to another Account?

[Nick Andriash]

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At 10:35 AM 31/01/01, Gerry Doyon wrote:

>I hope you were just joking around when you said that.  We all would
>like people to try things and read the "manual" so to speak before
>asking a question, but, stating that a person had a dumb question is,
>IMHO, not a good thing to do, especially for a moderator.

Well said Gerry, and I would take it a step further, and send a letter to 
the List Owner. That is yet another unacceptable comment by Wolfgang, and 
should not be tolerated.



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Re[2]: Move msg to another Account?

[Gerry Doyon]

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Hi Wolfgang,

Wednesday, January 31, 2001, 8:32:02 AM, you wrote:

WK> Dumb question: why didn't you simply try it?

I hope you were just joking around when you said that.  We all would
like people to try things and read the "manual" so to speak before
asking a question, but, stating that a person had a dumb question is,
IMHO, not a good thing to do, especially for a moderator.

I apologize in advance if I misunderstood your meaning.


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Re: Simple regex request

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On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:45:16 -0500, Jan wrote these words of wisdom:

EF>>> I've been a programmer for 20 years, and in my way of thinking
EF>>> this statement would cause the contents of %ABofromFIRSTNAME to
EF>>> be replaced with the contents of %OFROMFNAME.

JR> Is it correct for me to say that the ABnnnPPP macros are
JR> structured so that if they encounter nothing they can continue to
JR> look for other data, i.e. %ABofromFIRSTNAME="%OFROMFNAME" & that
JR> makes them unusual? I just want to make sure I understand this.

It's really just the syntax that's being criticised. '=' means 'equal
to'. That's what it means when used in all other macros except in the
context of address book macros where it means 'if no value found then
='.

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Re: Export messages

[Thomas]

Hallo Lija,

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:02:32 +0100 GMT (01/02/2001, 00:02 +0800 GMT),
Lija wrote:

> That's correct, but is there any way to expand/colapse all threads with one
> particular keyb. shortcut?

Expand all threads: crtl-*

Collapse all thread: no shortcut. Fastest way is to hit atl-0 and
then alt-1 again.

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Re[3]: Export messages

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Lija,

On Wednesday, January 31, 2001 17:02:32 [ +0100 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Export messages':

Lija> is there any way to expand/colapse all threads with one
Lija> particular keyb. shortcut?

  With the focus in msg list, use CTRL-* to expand. When you change
  focus to folder list, msg list collapses automatically I believe.
  HTH

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Re: Export messages

[Roel]

Hi Lija

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:02:32 +0100GMT
   (which was 31/01/2001, 17:02 +0100GMT for me),
you wrote:

L> That's correct, but is there any way to expand/colapse all threads with one
L> particular keyb. shortcut?

ctrl-* does the trick...

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Re[2]: Export messages

[Lija]

Hello Ming-Li,

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, at 07:21:56 (your local time), you wrote:

ML> Use the Unix mailbox format, which would result in one big plain
ML> text file.

Hm, what about differencies in CR/LF codes between Unix and Win platforms?
AFAIK, "black rectangles" will appear (when you look at in Notepad).

ML> Also remember to expand all threads or change to non-threaded mode before
ML> export, for otherwise only the first message of each thread would be marked
ML> and exported.

That's correct, but is there any way to expand/colapse all threads with one
particular keyb. shortcut?

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Re: Confirm imap support

[Johannes Posel]

Hi there Marck,

Going back 23:44 30.01.2001. when you uttered the following thoughts:

> ... and MD5 CRAM. Both of these encoded login methods are supported. I
> use MD5-APOP myself.

I know that POP3 can be made secure. I personally really enjoy using
it over an SSH tunnel or secured via SSL.

But the matter is not what I believe, its what the tech guy of a small
e.V. thinks. They're perhaps 10 to 15 guys, not a real ISP but guys
that are from local government funding Internet&eMail access for their
citizens (well until somewhat like a year, now only eMail access).

Anyway IMAP support behaves like POP3 in TB so its ok for me ;-)

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Re: Confirm imap support

[Johannes Posel]

Hi there Mr. Fox,

Going back 06:20 31.01.2001. when you uttered the following thoughts:

> Probably allow POP3 on an internal LAN, but don't want people checking
> personal mail at work, or bringing in viruses/worms in school or
> something like that.  The firewall admin probably forgot to block the
> IMAP port.

No, no ;-) They allow of course everything as long as you're connected
to the internet gateway. From outside they don't allow POP3 because
*basic* POP3 transmits your user/password combo in cleartext. IMAP
doesnt, thats why its allowed. You are free to use any POP3 you want,
of course if you're dialled in as well.

I must admit I can understand them! They're not an ISP. I'm not sure
how you call it in US. It's a non-profit organization that's mostly
funded by local government...

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Re[2]: Export messages

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Ming-Li,

On Wednesday, January 31, 2001 08:22:50 [ -0800 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Export messages':

Ming-Li> I usually prefer unix mbox format over text
Ming-Li> (of which the format depends on the template of choice), however,
Ming-Li> for it keeps all the headers and the original received time, making
Ming-Li> it possible to re-import back into TB when necessary.

 Thanks, Ming Li. What does the function "export kludges" do then?
 Does this keep the kludges (headers) with each msg in text form?

 My thought was if I was importing the unix formatted file would I not
 have to import all of it vs selecting the text of the msg I might
 need a special reply for in the text formatted file? I know this is
 not very clear so I hope you can understand what I'm asking?

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Re[2]: The bat review

[Silver Fox]

Hello Marck,

Wednesday, January 31, 2001, 3:50:45 AM, you wrote:

MDP> Times changes. Things move on. People adapt - that's just part of
MDP> being human.

Well I don't.  I've always double spaced after sentences.  That's the
way my pappy does it, the way my grand pappy did it, the way ...

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Re: Export messages

[Ming-Li]

On Wednesday, January 31, 2001, 7:56:07 AM, Jan wrote:

>   Assuming that these msgs are filtered to a particular folder,
>   can't this also be accomplished automatically by using Sorting
>   Office -> Action -> Export Message to File -> Export format =
>   Text -> Append to existing file? And for those msgs that are
>   already there, just run the filter manually?

I believe that's what I said in my last paragraph, but probably not
clearly enough. Yes, the export can been automated with filters, if
that's what syv wants. I usually prefer unix mbox format over text
(of which the format depends on the template of choice), however,
for it keeps all the headers and the original received time, making
it possible to re-import back into TB when necessary.

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Re: Access denied

[Ming-Li]

On Wednesday, January 31, 2001, 12:31:45 AM, John wrote:

> Sometimes get the message when receiving mail "Access denied
> because user name or password is invalid on the domain".

> Could I suggest that Bat! state -which- domain.  I have two isp
> accounts, at the moment this message is almost useless (although the
> bug is at the isp end, but which one?

While seconding your suggestion, I think you may find the
information by checking the account logs.

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Re: "Purge All Folders" for all Accounts?

[Ming-Li]

On Monday, January 29, 2001, 11:49:40 PM, Nick wrote:

> I have set up 3 different Accounts in TB 1.49c, but when I go to
> use the menu item Folder/Purge All Folders, only the first Account
> is affected, even if I highlight the 2nd or 3rd Account before
> choosing the menu.

Not here. No matter which account I'm currently with, the Purge All
Folders command do it on all folders of all accounts.

> The trash bins of the other accounts are not touched, and I cannot
> even be sure if Folders within those other Accounts are
> compressed.

Is the trash folders' purging options properly set?

When TB is purging, a message window pops up to show you which
folder it's working on. Can you see those folders under other
accounts flashing by?

> All the trash bins are emptied on exit, and every single Folder in
> each Account has "Compress Folder" chosen in Folder/Properties.

Could you check your folder properties (pick one on which you think
the "Purge all folders" command is not working) and report the
status of the following options (including their values):

Maximum number of stored messages is ???
Keep messages in the base for ??? days

The two "On Exit" options are not related here.

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Re[2]: Export messages

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Ming-Li,

On Wednesday, January 31, 2001 07:21:56 [ -0800 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Export messages':

>>  I have a folder with 1500 messages from people
>>  subscribing to my newsletter. I don't need to keep it
>>  as "email" but I want to archive it, just in case.

  Assuming that these msgs are filtered to a particular folder, can't
  this also be accomplished automatically by using Sorting Office ->
  Action -> Export Message to File -> Export format = Text -> Append
  to existing file? And for those msgs that are already there, just
  run the filter manually?

  Thanks.

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Re: Export messages

[Ming-Li]

On Sunday, January 28, 2001, 11:17:25 AM, syv wrote:

>  What's the best way to export messages?

In case you haven't found the answer (I didn't see on posted): have
a look at "Tools|Export messages".

>  I have a folder with 1500 messages from people
>  subscribing to my newsletter. I don't need to keep it
>  as "email" but I want to archive it, just in case.

Use the Unix mailbox format, which would result in one big plain
text file. Remember to mark all the messages to export in advance
(otherwise only the current message is exported). Also remember to
expand all threads or change to non-threaded mode before export, for
otherwise only the first message of each thread would be marked and
exported.

>  Some kind of ASCII file to which I can later append...

I'm not sure whether it can be appended when exporting manually, but
with filter action the option is available.

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Re[2]: Filter logic

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Marck,

On Wednesday, January 31, 2001 15:10:42 [ + GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Filter logic':

JR>> Was I to use the left "ALT" vs the right "ALT"?

Marck> Yes. Absolutely. They are different keys.

JR>> Maybe this is another one of those keyboard mapping problems?

Marck> It could be.

I think so as I've tried both left & right ALT keys with the same
non-result.  It would be nice to know what's going on with this.

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Re: Filter logic

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Jan,

On  31  January  2001 at 09:58:22 -0500 (which was 14:58 where I live)
Jan Rifkinson wrote and made these points:

Marck>> The only other thing I can think of os that we're talking
Marck>> about the Alt key on the left of the keyboard and not the
Marck>> AltGr key. [...]

JR> I'm not sure what you mean by the "AltGr" key. I am using an MS
JR> keyboard that has the ALT keys on the bottom row as in

JR> CTRL WINDOWS ALT SPACE ALT WINDOWS OPEN MENU CTRL
   ^^^ This is the AltGr key

JR> Was I to use the left "ALT" vs the right "ALT"?

Yes. Absolutely. They are different keys.

JR> Maybe this is another one of those keyboard mapping problems?

It could be.

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Re[2]: Filter logic

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Marck,

On Wednesday, January 31, 2001 14:41:33 [ + GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Filter logic':

Marck> The only other thing I can think of os that we're talking
Marck> about the Alt key on the left of the keyboard and not the
Marck> AltGr key. [...]

I'm not sure what you mean by the "AltGr" key. I am using an MS
keyboard that has the ALT keys on the bottom row as in

CTRL WINDOWS ALT SPACE ALT WINDOWS OPEN MENU CTRL

Was I to use the left "ALT" vs the right "ALT"? Maybe this is
another one of those keyboard mapping problems?

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Re: Filter logic

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Jan,

On  31  January  2001 at 09:14:33 -0500 (which was 14:14 where I live)
Jan Rifkinson wrote and made these points:

Marck>> If  you  didn't  do  as I have explained above then it may not
Marck>> have worked.

JR>   But I did do what you explained & still nothing happened (sigh).
JR>   Of course clicking on ADD SET adds another set.

Indeed.

JR>   BTW, I checked the System Hot Keys to see if there might be a
JR>   conflict there but nothing even comes close.

The  only  other  thing I can think of os that we're talking about the
Alt  key on the left of the keyboard and not the AltGr key. Other than
that  I  have  no  idea  why it wouldn't work for you. Anyone else any
other ideas?

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Re[2]: Filter logic

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Marck,

On Tuesday, January 30, 2001 02:16:25 [ + GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Filter logic':

JR>>   created a new filter
Marck> Yes.
JR>>   created a new rule
Marck> You mean you filled in one rule on the actual "Rule" tab, yes?
 ^^^ yes

JR>>   Added one Alternative
Marck> You mean you:
Marck> 1) selected the "Alternatives" tab
Marck> 2) pressed the "Add set" button
Marck> 3) filled in the first line of the first additional filter string
Marck> Yes?
   ^^^ yes

Marck> (look  under  the  "Add  set"  button. It says "Use Alt+Ins/Alt+Del to
Marck> add/delete filtering strings" - that's what we're talking about here).
JR>>   Used ALT-ins Key (nothing happened)

Marck> If  you  didn't  do  as  I  have  explained above then it may not have
Marck> worked.

  But I did do what you explained & still nothing happened (sigh).
  Of course clicking on ADD SET adds another set.

  BTW, I checked the System Hot Keys to see if there might be a
  conflict there but nothing even comes close.

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Re: Help! where have all my menus gone?

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Hi Brian,

On  31  January  2001 at 09:08:34 -0500 (which was 14:08 where I live)
Brian Clark wrote and made these points:

BC> I think I may be losing my mind. Is it me or did RIT remove this
BC> feature in the undocumented, unofficial, mirrored, non-rar 1.49d
BC> Beta?

Good  heavens! They've moved them to the Network & Administration menu
(where they belong) as switchable user rights. Perfect.

BC> I can now press Ctrl+Alt+Shift+/ and nothing happens.

Indeed. Wolfgang - I think that this makes the FAQ entry redundant.

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Re: Help! where have all my menus gone?

[Brian Clark]

Hello Wolfgang, 

(WK == "Wolfgang Kynast") [EMAIL PROTECTED] canalized:

WK> keyboard layout   toggle 'simple menus'
WK> ---   -
WK> US/UK ctrl-shift-alt-L

I think you meant Ctrl+Shift+Alt+/ for US/UK.

WK> Germany   strg-shift-alt-#
WK> ? ?

I think I may be losing my mind. Is it me or did RIT remove this
feature in the undocumented, unofficial, mirrored, non-rar 1.49d Beta?

I can now press Ctrl+Alt+Shift+/ and nothing happens.

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Re[2]: Help! where have all my menus gone?

[Lija]

Hello Östen,

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, at 10:03:45 (your local time), you wrote:

ÖH> Is this a new feature in 1.49? I'm running 1.48f and I can't get
ÖH> "lite menus" with any suggested key combination I try.

As Wolfgang said, it is there for a long time. I use USA keyboard and don't have
a problem with that (actually, I _have_ when I use keyb. switching to switch to my
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Re[2]: Help! where have all my menus gone?

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Marck,

...
MDP> Where  should  I  get  that list from? If you could all shower me with
MDP> your regional version of Ctrl-Alt-Shift-/ then I will make up the list
MDP> here and an FAQ entry.

Ok, here we go:

keyboard layout   toggle 'simple menus'
---   -
US/UK ctrl-shift-alt-L
Germany   strg-shift-alt-#
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Re: Move msg to another Account?

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Hi Tim,

On  31  January  2001 at 21:23:21 -0500 (which was 02:23 where I live)
Tim Musson wrote and made these points:

TM>   Is it possible to have a Rule move a message to another
TM>   account/folder without sending (I know you can do a .forward
TM>   type of redirect)?

Yes.  I  do it all of the time. All spam is filtered to an "Anti-spam"
account.  Just  select the account and folder required with the browse
button when defining the rule.

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Re: Move msg to another Account?

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Tim,

TM>   Is it possible to have a Rule move a message to another
TM>   account/folder without sending

Yes.

Dumb question: why didn't you simply try it?

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Move msg to another Account?

[Tim Musson]

Hey Listers,

  Is it possible to have a Rule move a message to another
  account/folder without sending (I know you can do a .forward
  type of redirect)?

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Re[2]: Simple regex request

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Allie,

On Tuesday, January 30, 2001 22:38:29 [ -0500 GMT], Elden Fenison wrote the
following in regards to 'Simple regex request':

EF>> I've been a programmer for 20 years, and in my way of thinking
EF>> this statement would cause the contents of %ABofromFIRSTNAME to be
EF>> replaced with the contents of %OFROMFNAME.

  Is it correct for me to say that the ABnnnPPP macros are
  structured so that if they encounter nothing they can continue to
  look for other data, i.e. %ABofromFIRSTNAME="%OFROMFNAME" & that
  makes them unusual? I just want to make sure I understand this.

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Re: The bat review

[A . Curtis Martin]

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On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:15:54 +0900, Yuki thoughtfully wrote the
following:


YT> Whoa, Marck, that would require a lot of people to suddenly unlearn a
YT> habit ingrained by decades of repetition.  Aren't coders good enough
YT> to make life liveable for everyone?  ^_^

Sure. Disable auto-indent in the editor properties. :=)

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Re: The bat review

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Yuki,

On  31  January  2001 at 20:15:54 +0900 (which was 11:15 where I live)
Yuki Taga wrote and made these points:

YT> Whoa, Marck, that would require a lot of people to suddenly unlearn a
YT> habit ingrained by decades of repetition.

Times changes. Things move on. People adapt - that's just part of
being human.

YT> Aren't coders good enough to make life liveable for everyone? ^_^

MDP>> :-). But that's just my opinion. Each to their own.
  ^^^ ^^

...and I thought that I had made that pretty clear.

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Re: Help! where have all my menus gone?

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Wolfgang,

On  31  January  2001 at 11:18:23 +0100 (which was 10:18 where I live)
Wolfgang Kynast wrote and made these points:

WK> This should have been Strg-shift-alt-# of course :-)

DH>>  How about the numerical pad (just above the 8, the division sign)?

WK> The key alone brings up quick search here, together with
WK> crtl-shift-alt nothing happens.

WK> Marck: what about adding this topic to the FAQ,

It's a thought. It has come up twice in the past few days but, OTOH, I
haven't seen it mentioned for months.

WK> together with a list of the country specific codes?

Where  should  I  get  that list from? If you could all shower me with
your regional version of Ctrl-Alt-Shift-/ then I will make up the list
here and an FAQ entry.

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Re[2]: The bat review

[Yuki Taga]

Hello Marck,

Wednesday, January 31, 2001, 7:43:39 PM, you wrote:

MDP> If  you  don't want TB to auto-indent in that way, you an turn off the
MDP> option  in  Editor  preferences.  I personally would say that IMHO two
MDP> spaces  are  a  hangover  from typewriting and should be discarded for
MDP> electronic  forms  up publishing. Then you wouldn't have to change any
MDP> settings  and  could  even take advantage of auto-format and re-format
MDP> :-). But that's just my opinion. Each to their own.

Whoa, Marck, that would require a lot of people to suddenly unlearn a
habit ingrained by decades of repetition.  Aren't coders good enough
to make life liveable for everyone?  ^_^

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Re: The bat review

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hi Marck,

Historians believe that Wed, 31 Jan 2001 at 10:43 GMT + was when,
Marck D. Pearlstone [MP] typed the following:



MP> [...] I personally would say that IMHO two
MP> spaces  are  a  hangover  from typewriting and should be discarded for
MP> electronic  forms  up publishing.

...says the man using plain-text justification (ie lots of double
spaces.)  ;-)

For the humour impaired, I'm just kidding, I really don't want to dig
up that DH again.  As Marck said:


MP> :-). But that's just my opinion. Each to their own.

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Re: upgrade question

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Pywacket,

On  31  January  2001 at 23:27:23 -0800 (which was 07:27 where I live)
Pywacket Martini wrote and made these points:

PM> I have a copy of all my mail currently running on 1.36 on the
PM> other machine--will I need to export?? in order to see my mail in
PM> 1.49? And would that be for each and every folder or is there an
PM> easier way?

PM> thanks muchly for your help and apologize for just leaping in, but
PM> it's kind of an issue for me right now.

In  this  instance  there  will  be  a /slightly/ easier way - you can
simply import the mailboxes from the .MSB files.

This is because the mail-base format was changed for v1.42. Otherwise,
if  the  mail  was  filed by a more recent version you would simply be
able to copy the files.

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Re: The bat review

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Silver,

On  31  January  2001 at 21:18:26 -0800 (which was 05:18 where I live)
Silver Fox wrote and made these points:


SF> Although, I would GREATLY appreciate a MUA that suppported mx lookup.
SF>  I use free dialup providers when I'm on the road, and none of them

SF>  about a builtin POP3 SERVER, which allows incoming SMTP connections.
SF>   I can't imagine how I would want to use that... but... doesn't TB


SF> BTW,  why  does  my  text indent automatically like it does in the
SF> above  paragraph? I've noticed it with a couple other emails. Kind
SF> of obnoxious.

It  is your habit of typing a double space to start a sentence without
looking  at  the  screen. Whenever you do so at the end of a line, the
first  space  causes  a  wrap while the second begins an single space,
incrementing indent.

If  you  don't want TB to auto-indent in that way, you an turn off the
option  in  Editor  preferences.  I personally would say that IMHO two
spaces  are  a  hangover  from typewriting and should be discarded for
electronic  forms  up publishing. Then you wouldn't have to change any
settings  and  could  even take advantage of auto-format and re-format
:-). But that's just my opinion. Each to their own.

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Re[2]: Help! where have all my menus gone?

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Östen,

...
ÖH> Is this a new feature in 1.49?

No, it is there for a long time.

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Re[2]: Help! where have all my menus gone?

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Dierk,

>> On german keyboards it's ctrl-shift-alt-# - maybe this helps.

This should have been Strg-shift-alt-# of course :-)

DH>  How about the numerical pad (just above the 8, the division sign)?

The key alone brings up quick search here, together with
crtl-shift-alt nothing happens.

Marck: what about adding this topic to the FAQ, together with a
list of the country specific codes?

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Re[3]: V1.49

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Lija,

L> PMFJI, you mean after restoring from a backup, all message files on the disk
L> have read-only attribute?

Yes, if the backup was to a CD. Don't know how this is handled on
other backup mediums.

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Re: Help! where have all my menus gone?

[Östen Häggmark]

Hello,

Lija:
L>> This function switches lite/full menus... You don't have to do
L>> this, 'cause keyb. equivalent is Alt+Ctrl+Shift+/

Brian Clark:
BC> Yes I know. The reason I posted this is because Krister was having a
BC> problem finding the equivalent for that combo in a Swedish keyboard
BC> layout.
  
Krister, did you solve that? I'm curious to know before I do the upgrade.

Is this a new feature in 1.49? I'm running 1.48f and I can't get
"lite menus" with any suggested key combination I try.

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Access denied

[John Phillips]

Hi Bat Fans,

Sometimes get the message when receiving mail "Access denied because
user name or password is invalid on the domain".

Could I suggest that Bat! state -which- domain.  I have two isp
accounts, at the moment this message is almost useless (although the
bug is at the isp end, but which one?




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