Re: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:55:00 -0400, Ben contributed this to our collective wisdom: ACM Actually you can, but it involves registry editing, which in this ACM instance isn't that bad. ACM Point your registry editor to ACM HKCU/Software/rit/The Bat! and go the following entry: BM Where is this information documented? AFAIK, it isn't. This is why these lists are so valuable with the current documentation. ;-)) I know of these registry entries from the time they were added and indicated to us by the developers, on-list. ©Allie - -- A. Curtis Martin List Moderator (and fellow end-user) The Bat! v1.52 Beta/12 | Win2k (SP1) «»«»«» 'PC! Politically Correct (or) Pure Crap!' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 05) Comment: KeyID: 0x57C9EB602B0717E2 (Sealed for security). iQA/AwUBOu5afFfJ62ArBxfiEQKJvACfZuS2+CtPDLEg9wwc+0b60S5X8qoAoO60 wAEaY3ix1PlIK6XuZ556Dq0n =qjJI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat!-GUI question
Can someone tell me what GDK was used to make The Bat!'s GUI ? I ask this because it seems that the developers used Qt from Trolltech (www.troll.no), and I want to be sure of this. -- If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh wait, he already does. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Bringing newsgroup and mailing lists messages together
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 1 May 2001 07:11:16 +0400, jlaikan wrote these comments: ACM Hamster is the freeware app (news and mail server) that will be able ACM to get your newsgroup messages for you so that you could download ACM them from Hamster into TB!. j Where may I get it from? Thanks. Try here http://home.t-online.de/home/micha-wr/hamster/h-index.htm I don't know of any English pages. I only speak English and yet I can make enough out of the page to download it. ©Allie - -- A. Curtis Martin List Moderator (and fellow end-user) The Bat! v1.52 Beta/12 | Win2k (SP1) «»«»«» '2400 Baud makes you want to get out and push!!' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 05) Comment: KeyID: 0x57C9EB602B0717E2 (Sealed for security). iQA/AwUBOu5c81fJ62ArBxfiEQLZSACeL9MepxhCaRfqkV7IH3lErTdintoAoPFm XvqyucbR8R5WsS3wTGUtzhaM =kX6E -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat!-GUI question
Hi Silviu, Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 8:08:41 AM, you wrote: Can someone tell me what GDK was used to make The Bat!'s GUI ? I ask this because it seems that the developers used Qt from Trolltech (www.troll.no), and I want to be sure of this. Beside this there seem to be Delphi-like Icons in the executable! Therefore I would say it was programmed using Borland / Inprise Delphi! -- Best regards, Romanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Bringing newsgroup and mailing lists messages together
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Nick, On Tuesday, May 01, 2001 21:56:50 [ -0700 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'Bringing newsgroup and mailing lists messages together': Nick Xnews is a terrific (free) News Reader, and I highly recommend it. Got a URL for us? - -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! v1.52 Beta/12/WinMe/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOu50LPvZew4/FKBgEQIMwgCgontDzOMYaguPsnokQBPlPPG1Pa0AoL75 1KPIF6e3uLxw3StnKrPg+JV0 =2ASu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Bringing newsgroup and mailing lists messages together
Hi Jan, @ 4:30:25 AM on 5/1/2001, Jan Rifkinson wrote: ... Nick Xnews is a terrific (free) News Reader, and I highly recommend Nick it. JR Got a URL for us? In case Nick is snoozing, as I will be shortly: baseurl: http://xnews.3dnews.net/ beta: http://xnews.3dnews.net/test/ :) -- Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8 [SB! 1.52 Beta/12/iKey1000, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Bringing newsgroup and mailing lists messages together
Hello PFord and others following this thread, On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:02:14 -0400 (Sat, 28 Apr 20:02:14 in Copenhagen) you wrote: So, I was thinking that I might switch to using Agent for both newsgroups and mailing lists, keeping The Bat! for non-mailing list use, but that would be a kludgy workaround. I'd rather find a way to get my newsgroups messages into The Bat! So, I was wondering if anyone knows of a news reader that would let me save out messages in a format that I could import into The Bat!? Or, is it a totally goofy idea? The mail-client Becky! has a news-reader plugin, that I used exactly for this purpose (before deciding to switch entirely to Becky for a period). With this plugin you can set up different Mailboxes for different news-groups - or different profiles of the same mailbox. It is very easy to save everything in the unix-mailbox format and import it in TB. Becky is at http://www.rimarts.co.jp and the plugin at http://www.becky-users.morelerbe.com/Plugins.html . -- Best regards, Jannik Lindquist Currently sending from: Becky! 2.00.05 Otherwise using: The Bat! 1.51 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat!-GUI question
Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 10:49:02 AM, Roman Schechtel wrote: Hi Silviu, Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 8:08:41 AM, you wrote: Can someone tell me what GDK was used to make The Bat!'s GUI ? I ask this because it seems that the developers used Qt from Trolltech (www.troll.no), and I want to be sure of this. Beside this there seem to be Delphi-like Icons in the executable! Therefore I would say it was programmed using Borland / Inprise Delphi! Oh yeah, I saw this somwhere. It's Delphi 2. I mean why?!!? I don't know about version 5 but 4.5 was out there for a lng time. I wonder what made them use version 2 for such a long time. Maybe a new vsersion would deliver faster GUI. Let's face it, it's not so fast. On my comp it takes about 5s to fire up the editor. Is this the case on your PCs too? -- If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh wait, he already does. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Bringing newsgroup and mailing lists messages together
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Brian, On Tuesday, May 01, 2001 04:34:51 [ -0400 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'Bringing newsgroup and mailing lists messages together': Brian In case Nick is snoozing Got it. Thanks. - -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! v1.52 Beta/12/WinMe/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOu58l/vZew4/FKBgEQKyXQCePNGCJP7fOH+1oL3YeuTQmoCYL5gAoOPj GBwz7n0SSSDGfQdcC5zRG3F9 =9Yxz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat!-GUI question
Hi Silviu, Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 10:52:51 AM, you wrote: On my comp it takes about 5s to fire up the editor. Is this the case on your PCs too? Hmm, no. Not really. Maybe it's because of my P3-933 ;-) However - a developpment under C++ would certainly make the UI faster and the whole application more portable to other platforms.. (I miss TB under Linux :-) But this seems to be more and more an OT coversation - let's stop it! -- Best regards, Romanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Why Can't I Print?
Hello , I've just paid for TB! and then tried to print the order receipt - nothing! I see all the right dialogue boxes - it recognises the printer, lets me change properties etc. When I hit the last 'ok' The printer Id briefly appears in the task bar and then - nothing! I've been through printer setup and all my other apps print as usual. Help! -- Best regards, William mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.51 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat!-GUI question
Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 11:52:51 AM, Silviu Cojocaru wrote: Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 10:49:02 AM, Roman Schechtel wrote: Hi Silviu, Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 8:08:41 AM, you wrote: Can someone tell me what GDK was used to make The Bat!'s GUI ? I ask this because it seems that the developers used Qt from Trolltech (www.troll.no), and I want to be sure of this. Beside this there seem to be Delphi-like Icons in the executable! Therefore I would say it was programmed using Borland / Inprise Delphi! Oh yeah, I saw this somwhere. It's Delphi 2. I mean why?!!? I don't know about version 5 but 4.5 was out there for a lng time. I wonder what made them use version 2 for such a long time. Maybe a new vsersion would deliver faster GUI. Let's face it, it's not so fast. On my comp it takes about 5s to fire up the editor. Is this the case on your PCs too? Ooops! make that 3s. Still, it's slow, it should be like a spring, push the button and it pops zippy right up. It gives the program a sluggish feeling, and The Bat! _aint_ sluggish. -- If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh wait, he already does. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Program for storing TB! messages.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Sergey, On Monday, April 30, 2001 (22:22), you wrote : SK Hello All, I'm looking for a program to store my TB! messages. SK Because I have lots of them (thousands) and sorted into many SK folders (300 or something) I can't just export messages one by SK one (or using SHIFT when selecting). One more condition: I'd like SK to have my messages tree intact in some way or in the other SK (think of about 300 different people)and I understand that it's SK not always possible. Who can advise me what? Why wouldn't you use the Tools - Backup function of The Bat! itself ? I do. I have always about 6 to 8 thousands messages sorted within about 90 to 120 folders and subfolders. That makes easily for 150 to 200 Mb. I regularly use that Backup function to make a full backup, then use it for a while in update mode (kind of incremental mode). The backup is a single file very easy to later store elsewhere. Best Regards, - -- Olivier Mascia, [EMAIL PROTECTED] TIP Group S.A., www.tipgroup.com Manager seulement pour le profit revient à jouer au tennis en regardant le tableau des résultats plutôt que la balle. - Ivan Lendl - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4-1 (MingW32) Comment: My Public Key ID is 0x2E9AEADF iD8DBQE67or9pJs5eC6a6t8RAjHqAKC6fZKssjM5o6h8vI09xytm5dijugCdE8tZ a5G6dr9IWvgnqOrzR6X7rBY= =EibH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...
Hi, Peter, I understand about invalid vs valid. However, I don't see where I can see this distinction between good and bad signature. I now installed 6.5.8ckt and I get for your message a pencil with an x, signer: unknown, keyID=0xE10774CE, Key ID: Invalid Key. Where does it say that this is a good key? Or would it look different for a bad key? -- Best regards, Leomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.52 Beta/12 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Leo Zelevinsky ! On Tue, 1 May 2001 10:36:52 -0400 GMT your local time, which was 01.05.2001, 16:36 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote: I now installed 6.5.8ckt and I get for your message a pencil with an x, signer: unknown, keyID=0xE10774CE, Key ID: Invalid Key. Where does it say that this is a good key? Or would it look different for a bad key? Unknown means that PGP does not know the key because it is not in your keyring. You have to download the key: Start PGPkeys, click on the Magnifying Glass icon, select key-ID in top down menu and type in 0xE10774CE. PGPkeys will look for the key on the server. After that the PGPLog should show the proper information! - -- Best regards, Gerd == Using The Bat! Version 1.52 Beta/12 PGP/GPG-Keys on request mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_key - We are continually faced with a series of great opportunities brilliantly disguised as insoluble problems. John W. Gardner -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (MingW32) - GnuPGshell v1.73 Comment: Digitally signed! So you know it's me!! Key_ID 0xD56C61 iD8DBQE67svTTL+wetVsYYcRAsAnAJ94fzKvrsPmMzAhzZw0Lv9izI7KigCg3/67 zBRtZcf43PT9b2JKt4536Ac= =t9he -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Bringing newsgroup and mailing lists messages together
Hello Allie, Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 10:51:31 AM, you wrote: ACM Hamster is the freeware app (news and mail server) that will be able ACM to get your newsgroup messages for you so that you could download ACM them from Hamster into TB!. j Where may I get it from? Thanks. ACM Try here http://home.t-online.de/home/micha-wr/hamster/h-index.htm Thanks for the link. Unfortunately I don't speak a word of German. -- Best regards, jlaikanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Silviu! On Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 7:26:30 AM you wrote: You'd say, Look at NT, well I refuse to, it's a huge gorilla, and sucks to much system resources (in comparison to Linux which needs about the same resources that Win 95/98 series needs). Another point against Win2K is their driver scheme. Since it came out i wanted to migrate but couldn't because some of my hardware would not work or work at a much lower level than designed. There are still problems with drivers for my Matrox card and my Guillemot audio card. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52 Beta/12 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C To live at all is miracle enough. (Mervyn Peake) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOu7HC/To1oA8g8dLEQKZcgCgrvQ2ildJXhAbd3QjGVuvCnMk5rsAoPHT fgLKlLxwRlRff4d/EYYszda2 =zhYN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Bringing newsgroup and mailing lists messages together
Hi jlaikan, on Tue, 1 May 2001 19:11:24 +0400 GMT (which was 01.05.2001, 17:11 +0100 GMT where I live) jlaikan wrote: Hello Allie, Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 10:51:31 AM, you wrote: ACM Hamster is the freeware app (news and mail server) that will be able ACM to get your newsgroup messages for you so that you could download ACM them from Hamster into TB!. j Where may I get it from? Thanks. ACM Try here http://home.t-online.de/home/micha-wr/hamster/h-index.htm Thanks for the link. Unfortunately I don't speak a word of German. This is mentioned within the link: If you are looking for a complete translation of my hamster-sites, try a look at http://www.elfden.co.uk/, where this translation by babelfish is located. For problems about Hamster subscribe to the english mailinglist: http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/ehamster or the french mailinglist: http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/fhamster -- Best regards, Roland mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-Key: 0x0D023C45 I use The Bat! v1.51 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A ! -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Smart Tabs?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Nick, On 01 May 2001 at 08:17:47 -0700 (which was 16:17 where I live) Nick Andriash wrote to TBUDL and made these points: NA Obviously there must be a difference between say the Tab markers NA used by Eudora, and the smart tabs used by TB!. I'm just NA wondering what... if any... differences there are. TB *always* substitutes TABs with spaces. The TAB is converted at the moment you type it and never exists in any other form than a string of spaces. Other MUAs may well embed a real TAB character (Ctrl-I, hex 09) into the text. The signature destruction occurs at the point TB replaces the received TAB character with spaces. Those it generates never existed anyway so there is no problem of signature destruction. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.52 Beta/12/iKey1000 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt (build 05) Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOu7YqjnkJKuSnc2gEQKOmQCglHT8YXEbXKzFUCcZuvQzO42GfYQAoJRC y9bt5Wz1MY3HJCvsxBTRBXvU =C0la -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Smart Tabs?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Nick On 01 May 2001 at 08:17:47 -0700 (which was 16:17 where I live) Nick Andriash wrote I notice under Options/Editor Preferences you can check the box labelled Smart Tabs, but I am unable to find a description of just what a Smart Tab is. (Smart tabs are not hard tabs) Smart Tabs are for lists of things. There is an example type a line of text, and then go to the next line with out auto format on 1 23 4 5 67 8 9 etc Where you see the numbers is where the smart tabs took my cursor If someone sends me a PGP signed message from another Mail Client, and in that message the Sender uses a Tab marker, then TB! converts that Tab marker to fixed spaces, and in the process destroys the PGP signature. This is a problem with Hard tabs. However, if I send myself a Test message where I use a Tab marker, PGP sign this message and Send it, the received message verifies just fine with PGP. TB! replaces the tab with the correct number of spaces. Obviously there must be a difference between say the Tab markers used by Eudora, and the smart tabs used by TB!. I'm just wondering what... if any... differences there are. Yes there is a difference. No I don't have the knowledge to explain it properly. So I will let some one else explain that. What I do know is that TB! uses spaces other email clients use the tab character - -- Bye, ___ David | MUA:- The Bat! 1.52 Beta/12 | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2000 Server 5.0.2195 SP1 | International | | THEFT RESISTANT TAGLINE** (didn't work...I stole it!) | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 05) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBOu7ZBvmK8eZlD0U0EQJh/wCfRzonKhuqOIqSCdllKHTZ6+0x40EAoNus 37yykKAcH3QujYLgMl1/NS5i =+Gas -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Smart Tabs?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 1, 2001, at 8:39:22 AM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP TB *always* substitutes TABs with spaces. The TAB is converted at the MDP moment you type it and never exists in any other form than a string MDP of spaces. Other MUAs may well embed a real TAB character (Ctrl-I, MDP hex 09) into the text. The signature destruction occurs at the point MDP TB replaces the received TAB character with spaces. Those it MDP generates never existed anyway so there is no problem of signature MDP destruction. Well thank you Marck... and David... for the clear explanation. That would explain why *any* message generated in TB! that contains Tabs will not cause the failure of PGP signatures. Is there an RFC that would clarify how different Clients are to handle Tab markers? Does The Bat follow that Standard, or adhere to generally accepted practise in this regard? Should be we be pushing the Developers to change the way TB! converts Tab markers from other Clients? - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- [ TB! v1.52 Beta/12/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE ] [ GnuPG v1.0.4-2 (MingW32) | Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ] __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4-2 (MingW32) - GnuPGshell v1.73 Comment: Join PGP-Basics: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iD8DBQE67tvZxQKEdHuj/c4RArgvAKDvyVDus4f1zNsBbYqhTopcxupAIgCfVf+i RNutWwsi/iLldwwIyB/nM+U= =T8Zo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat!-GUI question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 1, 2001, at 1:52:51 AM, Silviu Cojocaru wrote: SC Let's face it, it's not so fast. On my comp it takes about 5s to fire SC up the editor. Is this the case on your PCs too? Less than one second with my trusty old P166 with 64 MB RAM... but it's a clean and mean machine ;o), running both standard TB! and SecureBat. - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- [ TB! v1.52 Beta/12/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE ] [ GnuPG v1.0.4-2 (MingW32) | Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ] __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4-2 (MingW32) - GnuPGshell v1.73 Comment: Join PGP-Basics: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iD8DBQE67tyExQKEdHuj/c4RAg91AJ0eewnDy4G/bHwi6zHqy29yRmD0wACg4G/C n5cd7QPnRNjxp6axG3XQL7c= =qszr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Smart Tabs?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck On 01 May 2001 at 16:39:22 +0100 (which was 16:39 where I live) Marck D. Pearlstone wrote TB *always* substitutes TABs with spaces. The TAB is converted at the moment you type it and never exists in any other form than a string of spaces. Other MUAs may well embed a real TAB character (Ctrl-I, hex 09) into the text. For my clarification which is the more correct ? - -- Good Bye, ___ David |David Elliott| Software Engineer| _| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID 0x650F4534 | | Life, Liberty And The Theft Of Taglines. | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 05) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBOu7cAvmK8eZlD0U0EQKGLACffAbqfTNA6dV1JkZ+2I2ay1811TgAoNXv MRK+47a+14eiUwM/dIJiLGuS =relS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Smart Tabs?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Nick, On 01 May 2001 at 08:53:02 -0700 (which was 16:53 where I live) Nick Andriash wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: MDP TB replaces the received TAB character with spaces. Those it MDP generates never existed anyway so there is no problem of MDP signature destruction. snip NA Is there an RFC that would clarify how different Clients are to NA handle Tab markers? I haven't seen one. NA Does The Bat follow that Standard, or adhere to generally accepted NA practise in this regard? How it handles it for outgoing TABs is, to my mind, perfect and in keeping with the TB pre-formatted ethos. It gets around any discrepancy between the way an alien MUA may wish to interpret a real TAB character. NA Should be we be pushing the Developers to change the way TB! NA converts Tab markers from other Clients? Yes. IMHO When *displaying* or *replying*, TB should be converting the received TAB character. But for storage and for export / save, TB should be retaining the actual received text which, in such cases, includes a TAB character. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.52 Beta/12/iKey1000 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt (build 05) Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOu7gKjnkJKuSnc2gEQKRgQCfSOWiFPb8w36g/vVT2KBVMVyXRAQAnjoZ Y0hixzE/MdsC1q9+Ts4RfmRv =dox+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 16:36 (my local time), Leo Zelevinsky presented these thoughts about Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...: LZ I now installed 6.5.8ckt and I get for your message LZ a pencil with an x, signer: unknown, keyID=0xE10774CE, Key ID: LZ Invalid Key. Where does it say that this is a good key? Or would it LZ look different for a bad key? Hi Leo, Gerd Ewald showed you one way to get my public key. GE Start PGPkeys, click on the Magnifying Glass icon, select key-ID in GE top down menu and type in 0xE10774CE. PGPkeys will look for the key on GE the server. Another way might be to copy it from the link below. Cheers Peter - -- PGP-Key: http://www.meynsweb.com/public-key.txt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: PGP-signed for better authentication! Key-ID: 0xE10774CE iQA/AwUBOu7XFgM2UgbhB3TOEQIuzwCgp3iBmXeWIef6d8lOHN/8+Nrhr8wAn2FR mLequdD3cz7dz/QNQc5ALTSY =3M63 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Dierk, On Tuesday, May 01, 2001 (17:24), you wrote : DH Another point against Win2K is their driver scheme. Since it came DH out i wanted to migrate but couldn't because some of my hardware DH would not work or work at a much lower level than designed. There DH are still problems with drivers for my Matrox card and my DH Guillemot audio card. Oh please, shouldn't you blame Matrox and Guillemot, if they have not developed drivers for the operating system which you would have liked to migrate to ? I know I'm OT (as much as this all conversation), but the 'blame it on Windows' is a too easy song to sing. Those 2c said with smile :-) Best Regards, - -- Olivier Mascia, [EMAIL PROTECTED] TIP Group S.A., www.tipgroup.com Il n'y a point de prescription contre la vérité : les erreurs pour être vieilles n'en sont pas meilleures. - Pierre Bayle - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4-1 (MingW32) Comment: My Public Key ID is 0x2E9AEADF iD8DBQE67uXwpJs5eC6a6t8RAqv8AJ9vvF08w6+TQKFM+5Ku18EX+1mX7ACfeJpQ SmyWQx6J6qBqFLg3jzoRZrY= =fuIf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...
Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 6:24:10 PM, Dierk Haasis wrote: You'd say, Look at NT, well I refuse to, it's a huge gorilla, and sucks to much system resources (in comparison to Linux which needs about the same resources that Win 95/98 series needs). Another point against Win2K is their driver scheme. Since it came out i wanted to migrate but couldn't because some of my hardware would not work or work at a much lower level than designed. There are still problems with drivers for my Matrox card and my Guillemot audio card. On the other hand Xfree86 (the GUI server for Linux) v 4.0.3 take Matrox cards to the limit, they display beautiful images. :) And yes the driver scheme of w2k sux. as w2k sux. -- If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh wait, he already does. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Import Address Book
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, April 24, 2001 at 18:06 (my local time), Peter Palmreuther presented these thoughts about Import Address Book: PP Hi ... for OE follow PP http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/beta/Wab2Ldif.exe PP and export your OE-WAB-File to LDIF, then import the LDIF-File into the PP TB!-Addressbook Hi Peter P., I found a way of downloading now. (NS 4.7 and IE 5.5 still refuse...) The program works fine. I didn't even have to take these single steps. I found an option to export to TB! Woosh, there it was! :o) I'll still have to check with my NS address book. Thanks for your help! Cheers Peter M. - -- PGP-Key: http://www.meynsweb.com/public-key.txt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: PGP-signed for better authentication! Key-ID: 0xE10774CE iQA/AwUBOu7i5QM2UgbhB3TOEQL8sQCgsxQs3C3Y6N5wR2B+hBrB2ZiHRCIAoJsy emu5aZZhgMM89Gaateps9DUR =bGO3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Windows drivers (was: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Olivier! On Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 6:35:55 PM you wrote: Oh please, shouldn't you blame Matrox and Guillemot, if they have not developed drivers for the operating system which you would have liked to migrate to ? I know I'm OT (as much as this all conversation), but the 'blame it on Windows' is a too easy song to sing. 1. Both have build several drivers, but don't get a certificate by Ms. 2. Since MS has this new policy to do everything themselves (except for actual *work* ...) they have to give out everything the companies need. Seems they don't. 3. Would you blame Matrox/Guillemot/etc. for not developing for BeOS, Linux, AIX, DOS, Mac, Solaris ...? The problem I really have is that all my components are pretty standard (Matrox Millenium DH, which cannot be fully used with Win95, Guillemot Maxi Studio ISIS, Intel PII233, Adaptec SCSI 2940UW, ZIP drive, Microtek scanner, Iiyama monitor ...) and when Win2K came out I couldn't migrate because the system would not have shown anything on my monitor. Till today the current drivers are still in beta - and one thing I won't touch on a working system - a system I need to make money - is a beta driver for vital system components. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52 Beta/12 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Love is the answer ... (John Lennon) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOu7mM/To1oA8g8dLEQLcjQCglUBUi202ot5x5p0NL039E/tfd88An35u 8nst1fJZvq0ut94YTF9eUqVR =RuXt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Windows drivers (was: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Dierk, Though I'd like, I won't continue this discussion (here), because we're way off-topic now. Hope you won't mind. Best Regards, - -- Olivier Mascia, [EMAIL PROTECTED] TIP Group S.A., www.tipgroup.com La politique mène à tout, à condition d'y rester. - -- On Tuesday, May 01, 2001 (19:37), you wrote : DH 1. Both have build several drivers, but don't get a certificate by Ms. DH 2. Since MS has this new policy to do everything themselves (except DH for actual *work* ...) they have to give out everything the companies DH need. Seems they don't. DH 3. Would you blame Matrox/Guillemot/etc. for not developing for BeOS, DH Linux, AIX, DOS, Mac, Solaris ...? DH The problem I really have is that all my components are pretty DH standard (Matrox Millenium DH, which cannot be fully used with Win95, DH Guillemot Maxi Studio ISIS, Intel PII233, Adaptec SCSI 2940UW, ZIP DH drive, Microtek scanner, Iiyama monitor ...) and when Win2K came out I DH couldn't migrate because the system would not have shown anything on DH my monitor. DH Till today the current drivers are still in beta - and one thing I DH won't touch on a working system - a system I need to make money - is a DH beta driver for vital system components. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4-1 (MingW32) Comment: My Public Key ID is 0x2E9AEADF iD8DBQE67vpQpJs5eC6a6t8RAoBmAJ9ESqBGgWznNRJdUc2JNcSjNrk3BwCg2xOG EKa7kMN7rB815+vjl1eUXNg= =pYy9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[5]: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...
Hi Ben Mills, On the Tuesday, May 01, 2001, U wrote: BM Sunday, April 29, 2001, 9:39:30 PM, you wrote: Ai Is it possible to set TB not to execute attachment at all? I mean not Ai to ask even... BM I don't believe so. Under properties I would suggest that you set up BM an attachment dir...maybe something like C:\attach. The default BM settings leave the attachments embedded in the mailboxes. This would BM be an advantage if you do backups as you wouldn't be backing up BM an inadvertently undeleted virus or worm. Otherwise just be careful BM what you execute...;) I always am... I'm asking because more and more people I know are using TB! BM This PR fiasco will haunt them for a long time. My company has over BM 100 computers with 30-35 running email clients (Eudora 303), I was BM ready to purchase a TB site license until you, I believe, posted the And now, I'm sorry you thought that... ;( BM info regarding the security issue. Apparently it was kept pretty mum BM on this list and the sparks sure flew when you mentioned it. As it BM stands, I wouldn't purchase or recommend TB for all the tea in China. BM Ritlabs has a great deal of maturing to do before it's ready to BM compete with the incumbents such as Microsoft, Eudora etc. As for security and a lot more TB! is something that I longed for some time in the past... The trouble is that the more people use some program it will become more interesting for hackers/crackers and others... I believe that ritlabs could release 1.52 some time earlier than they ment to... I'm just sorry that some made too much of mine comments... I just wanted to say to be careful... -- Till the next time, all the best... ANT-ilic -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Print Templates ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I notice that if I clear my Print Template, nothing happens when I try to print a message... which is not surprising seeing as I have an empty Print Template. My question then, using the list of available macros, how can I construct my Print Template so that TB! will simply print out a message... or a number of messages... without the headers? Do I *have* to use %CLIPBOARD? - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- [ TB! v1.52 Beta/12/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE ] [ GnuPG v1.0.4-2 (MingW32) | Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ] __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (MingW32) - GnuPGshell v1.73 Comment: Join PGP-Basics: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iD8DBQE67wnXxQKEdHuj/c4RAhhUAJ4vfnmDbMRXcgT4maPAzxno2x7kxACfSa2D ILYtSFPYPYEP1bUfZCL6p54= =Sn1l -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Print Templates ?
Hello Nick, Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 9:09:31 PM, you wrote: NA My question then, using the list of available macros, how can I construct NA my Print Template so that TB! will simply print out a message... or a NA number of messages... without the headers? Do I *have* to use %CLIPBOARD? I', suggesting to cut the header out of the template. The default template is like this: -=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From: %FromName %FromAddr To: %ToName %ToAddr Date: %ODateEn %OTimeLongEn Subject: %Subj Folder: %FolderName/%AccountName -=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- %Text -=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Cutting out the header, will off course result in this: -=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- %Text -=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Should be very simple or do I miss the point here :-) -- Best regards, jsvrp.gwmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat!-GUI question
Hi Silviu, @ 4:52:51 AM on 5/1/2001, Silviu Cojocaru wrote: SC On my comp it takes about 5s to fire up the editor. Is this the SC case on your PCs too? How fast is your machine? (that's not an insult) TheBat! is probably the fastest application on this machine and the editor opens lightning fast. My processor is mid-range to slow (depending on who you talk to) these days, PII 400, but I have a lot of ram and very very fast disks. If the editor is taking 3 to 5 seconds to open, I tend to think that's abnormal. -- Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8 [SB! 1.52 Beta/12/iKey1000, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Bringing newsgroup and mailing lists messages together
On Tuesday, May 01, 2001, Nick Andriash wrote: On April 30, 2001, at 6:03:03 AM, Pete P wrote: PP I just downloaded Hamster Classic Vr. 1.3 (Build 1.3.22.0) and I'm PP totally lost... what to do with it? Have you tried Xnews? I know you may be wanting to use Hamster in some way to get News articles into TB!, but I experimented with Hamster a few years back for multiple News Servers in Agent, but quickly gave up on it because I had the same experience. I even joined the Hamster Mailing List, but very quickly tired of it's odd behaviours. Xnews is a terrific (free) News Reader, and I highly recommend it. It has no offline reading ability without Hamster from what I understand. Can I download messages, then save them in some format that I could import into TB? -- PFord The Bat! 1.46c (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Print Templates ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Nick, On Tuesday, May 01, 2001 12:09:31 [ -0700 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'Print Templates ?': Nick how can I construct Nick my Print Template so that TB! will simply print out a message... or a Nick number of messages... without the headers? Do I *have* to use %CLIPBOARD? In the Top Menu: Message -- Print Setup -- Template -- %TEXT works as I tried it. - -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! v1.52 Beta/12/WinMe/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOu8d8PvZew4/FKBgEQIgdACg/ZTp6mxu0PGs5AEFp4bGmyLZkNEAn3tN UwZoAr+F6i5gfI0rVezdjoI9 =HKaw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Worm: What Do I Do?
Hello all, on Mon, 30 Apr 2001, at 18:27:41 local time (GMT +0300), Silviu wrote: [about ZA] The program's GREAT! and FREE! if you like ZA, take a look at TPF (tiny personal firewall, www.tinysoftware.com) ... like ZA, it checks all outgoing connections, but it's more configurable : specify which app can connect to which IP, thru which port, using which protocol. i don't think it has a mail-checker like ZA, though ... Next stop for me I think will be AVG. Coming from the UNIX world I trust free programs very much because their creator(s) tries to make it prime quality, and usually they are. ehm, AVG is not free ... not for 'continental' Europeans at least ! AVG 6.0 Free Edition offer is not valid for European users, except the users coming from United Kingdom. i wonder what their problem with the rest of Europe is ... :-\ -- Rob using The Bat! 1.51 ... Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Print Templates ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 1, 2001, at 1:34:45 PM, Jan Rifkinson wrote: JR In the Top Menu: Message -- Print Setup -- Template -- %TEXT JR works as I tried it. Yes, thank you to both you and jsvrp.gw for pointing out the obvious. Of all the Macros I looked at to use, I overlooked the most obvious one. :o( Now, I have to go back through the Archives and find that posting that contained the Regex that stripped off all the PGP Signatures from replies, and see if that will work in a Print Template as well. I will also take a look for one that strips off the List footers as well. :o) - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- [ TB! v1.52 Beta/12/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE ] [ GnuPG v1.0.5 (MingW32) | Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ] __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (MingW32) - GnuPGshell v1.73 Comment: Join PGP-Basics: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iD8DBQE67ydsxQKEdHuj/c4RAsN4AJsH2Co1SGE//24lfAbXeaeSRqq2EACgyjc+ xoadVrWrsvlfwP7OiswYUos= =dkG9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Print Templates ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
On Tue, 1 May 2001 16:34:45 -0400, Jan thoughtfully wrote the following:
Nick how can I construct my Print Template so that TB! will simply
Nick print out a message... or a number of messages... without the
Nick headers? Do I *have* to use %CLIPBOARD?
JR In the Top Menu:
JR Message -- Print Setup -- Template -- %TEXT
JR works as I tried it.
If you wish to simply print the message text without signature or PGP
signature you can use the following regex macro:
%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)(^-BEGIN\sPGP\sSIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-BEGIN\sPGP\sSIGNATURE.*s?\n|-+\s*eGroups.*~-~.*-*_-)|\z)%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%text%SUBPATT=3
©Allie
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TB! v1.52 Beta/12 Win2k (SP1)
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'A statement of fact cannot be insolent. - Orac'
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Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 05)
Comment: KeyID: 0x57C9EB602B0717E2 (Sealed for security).
iQA/AwUBOu8xhlfJ62ArBxfiEQLOHwCgsTZxOtPRDRkc89rFqQ4mDGZL3ssAmwfO
wzXCQn6K771FuIPWRqk7r0tt
=CHZV
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Re[2]: Print Templates ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Hello Nick,
On Tuesday, May 01, 2001 14:15:38 [ -0700 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Print Templates ?':
Nick [...] I have to go back through the Archives and find that posting that
Nick contained the Regex that stripped off all the PGP Signatures from replies,
Nick and see if that will work in a Print Template as well. I will also take a
Nick look for one that strips off the List footers as well.
Try the following:
%quotes=%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)(^-BEGIN PGP
SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-BEGIN PGP
SIGNATURE.*s?\n|-+\s*eGroups.*~-~.*-*_-)|\z)%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%text%SUBPATT=3
(of course on one line)
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Ridgefield, CT USA
TB! v1.52 Beta/12/WinMe/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060
ICQ 41116329
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Version: PGP 6.5i
iQA/AwUBOu8zVfvZew4/FKBgEQIklwCgs9fD1bbGvk9pQql8o9aOUToRfZcAnAms
rfepVUeJ7VYKxWf6ch68MT/L
=goYG
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Re[3]: Time Zones???
Ian, Sunday, April 29, 2001, 9:59:48 PM, you wrote: IA As an aside, does the daylight saving time change at the same IA point universally, or is there a period of several hours or so IA where e-mail systems exist in a point of +-1 Hour relativity? Various countries change in and out of daylight saving time on different dates. For instance, almost all of Europe now changes on the last Sunday of March and back again on the last Sunday of October. Chema: the UK and the rest of the EU have synched their DST switches several years ago. If you want to get a good idea of when various countries or regions switch to DST, if they do so at all, and what time differences they use, I suggest having a look at the excellent 'timepiece' for your Windows-PC called 'World Time' available free from www.pawprint.net. This program allows you to put a customizable bar of clocks from around the world on your screen, sync your PC to NTP or datetime sources and has an extensive database of world cities, their locations (longitude/latitude) and their DST times to go with it. I use this to keep track of the time of the people I'm chatting with when I'm on IRC. -- Maurice ICQ: 15724776 WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Thawte Web of Trust Notary, see http://www.thawte.com/ +--+ | Schrijf je in voor / Register for EuroBiCon One! | | 22-24 June 2001 Rotterdam, The Netherlands | | Website: http://www.intbiconf.org/ | +--+ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
%language= BUG in v1.51 reappears
Hello, This bug report has been sent by me to Ritlabs. I'm using The Bat! Version 1.51 Serial Number 07E0DEE8 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A and would like to report a bug The bug description: The Bat! crashes when starting a *new message* with %language macro included. !This seems the same bug what should be fixed in version 1.45 (- Bug with hanging when a template contained a %LANGUAGE= macro)! Steps to reproduce the bug: I put it in the first line of the mail template: %language=BR for the folder TBUL. The problem only occurs 50% of the time I try to start a *new message* when in the folder TBUL (where the template with the %language macro is located). There is no problem when starting a *new message* from other folders (without the template including the %language macro). -- Cheers, Jeroen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by The Bat! v1.51 ( Windows 98 4.10. A ) -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[6]: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...
Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 9:42:55 AM, you wrote: Ai I always am... Ai I'm asking because more and more people I know are using TB! But the problem is Ritlabs lack of response to known security issues. Hackers will have a heyday with TB if Ritlabs continues to bury its head in the sand instead of promptly addressing these issues. One poster mentioned an undocumented registry hack would eliminate the potential execution of the worm you brought to the list's attention. If this is the case ( and I have no first hand knowledge that it is) Ritlabs should have notified its clients and had a reg edit executable on its site for download. It would be a no-brainer for any programmer to crank out in a couple of minutes. BM This PR fiasco will haunt them for a long time. My company has over BM 100 computers with 30-35 running email clients (Eudora 303), I was BM ready to purchase a TB site license until you, I believe, posted the Ai And now, I'm sorry you thought that... ;( I'm very glad you did mention it. Your bringing this security issue out in the light of day could save many folks a bunch of grief. Ai As for security and a lot more TB! is something that I longed for some Ai time in the past... That's what I had in mind, TB is robust...I've sent 300MB attachments from home to my office, and TB handled it as well or better than Eudora 303. But Ritlabs clearly isn't supporting its products in a very aggressive manner at all. They need to break into the US corporate market to get much attention and become a major player. No matter if your selling paper clips or computer chips...you need a strong presence in the US to be successful. US corporations aren't exactly on a spending spree as it is; I still use some machines operating Windows 3.11, so we all are very leery of purchasing little known products from companies with questionable support policies. Ai I'm just sorry that some made too much of mine comments... I just Ai wanted to say to be careful... You did the right thingexactly what I would have done. Sometimes a few feathers get ruffled as the facts are put on the table, but that's life. Thanks again, Ben -- Benmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[7]: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...
On Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 6:12:59 PM, Ben Mills wrote: BM But the problem is Ritlabs lack of response to known security BM issues. Hackers will have a heyday with TB if Ritlabs continues to BM bury its head in the sand instead of promptly addressing these BM issues. True, but only if it rises above the semi-obscure level it is at now. In part, we are secure because of 'obscurity', but that is not the same as real security. BM Ritlabs should have notified its clients and had a reg edit BM executable on its site for download. I look to TB as a relatively 'secure' and privacy-respecting email client. I appreciate ANYTHING that Rit does to make these two better, and your suggestion is a good one. BM I'm very glad you did mention it. Your bringing this security BM issue out in the light of day could save many folks a bunch of BM grief. True. In many ways, we are an accident(attack) waiting to happen. BM They need to break into the US corporate market to get much BM attention and become a major player. If they do this, they will become a major target as well. It would be good for the security strengths, including fast patches, to keep up with the popularity - we'll need more, and faster, as it get more popular. ztrader -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Print Templates ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 1, 2001, at 2:58:30 PM, A Curtis Martin wrote: ACM If you wish to simply print the message text without signature or PGP ACM signature you can use the following regex macro: Thanks Allie and Jan for the Regex's. I used them with bits and pieces of my old Template to form a new one that does what I want for the moment. Thanks again... :o) - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- [ TB! v1.52 Beta/12/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE ] [ GnuPG v1.0.5 (MingW32) | Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ] __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (MingW32) - GnuPGshell v1.73 Comment: Join PGP-Basics: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iD8DBQE673oHxQKEdHuj/c4RAkJoAJsFP6RmWNsdy/dlUcFxzSnTHyj0qACfQecr Nd1Hve3/sPaOwTTk8sagJs4= =p1cG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...
Hello! Wednesday, May 02, 2001, 5:12:59 AM, Ben Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BM But the problem is Ritlabs lack of response to known security issues. BM Hackers will have a heyday with TB if Ritlabs continues to bury its BM head in the sand instead of promptly addressing these issues. What kind of reaction do you expect from the RitLabs? BM One poster mentioned an undocumented registry hack would eliminate the BM potential execution of the worm you brought to the list's attention. BM If this is the case ( and I have no first hand knowledge that it is) BM Ritlabs should have notified its clients BM and had a reg edit executable on its site for download. ^^^ BM It would be a no-brainer for any programmer to crank out in a couple BM of minutes. Wonderful! :-E. Have you ever heard of the program called Registry Editor (regedit.exe - for Win 9x/ME, regedit.exe/regedt32.exe for the Win NT4/2K)? -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...
Hello! Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 9:28:16 AM, Silviu Cojocaru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lost SC Lets hope RIT makes that an option, we don't have to hack our SC way in the system like that. I hate the registry. ...Politics? I'm not into politics, I hate it! _But_ politics has you by default. So if you're on Windows and if you want your system to behave well be ready to use some common system utilities like RegEdit. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat!-GUI question
Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 11:15:22 PM, Brian Clark wrote: Hi Silviu, @ 4:52:51 AM on 5/1/2001, Silviu Cojocaru wrote: SC On my comp it takes about 5s to fire up the editor. Is this the SC case on your PCs too? How fast is your machine? (that's not an insult) TheBat! is probably the fastest application on this machine and the editor opens lightning fast. My processor is mid-range to slow (depending on who you talk to) these days, PII 400, but I have a lot of ram and very very fast disks. If the editor is taking 3 to 5 seconds to open, I tend to think that's abnormal. It's a lean mean P75 with 64 megs of RAM and one HDD capable of UATA 100/ attached to a PCI IDE controller that supports that speed. I have version 1.31 too and yes with that version the editor is lightning fast to open. -- If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh wait, he already does. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[8]: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...
Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 9:38:26 PM, you wrote: z If they do this, they will become a major target as well. It would be z good for the security strengths, including fast patches, to keep up z with the popularity - we'll need more, and faster, as it get more z popular. We both agree on this issue 100 percent. Ritlabs wishes to be successful and it indicates this on its web site. Under Partners it indicates that it's open to suggestions that involve penetrating new markets. I know of no entrepreneur that doesn't wish to gain market share and compete with the biggest in the industry. In our world economy, anything less than the most aggressive marketing strategies will result in a failed enterprise. And yes, Ritlabs must become very aggressive with customer support and get those patches and fixes out in a 24-48 hour time frame. A usenet group with developer involvement would be a cheap a dirty start. An unmoderated list server would also bring more issues in the open, resulting in a little pushing and shoving to get those fixes out more quickly. Warmest regards, Ben In short: I can't imagine Ritlabs wishes to remain an obscure little enterprise hoping to keep its deficiencies mum on a quiet little list. All software vendors have these very same issues to deal with. But the successful ones didn't become successful through obscurity. -- Benmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allie, This is a reply to your message dated Monday, April 30, 2001, 6:09:31 PM, when you wrote: Ai Is it possible to set TB not to execute attachment at all? I Ai mean not to ask even... ACM Actually you can, but it involves registry editing, which in this ACM instance isn't that bad. Point your registry editor to ACM HKCU/Software/rit/The Bat! and go the following entry: ACM ProtectDisableOpen ACM Already listed is HAPPY99.EXE,LOVELETTER*.VBS,*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS Can you simply enter *.* here to prevent any attachments from opening or do you need to enter names or names with wild cards? ACM Hmmm, I see .PIF already entered in my list which may have been ACM done by one of these betas, but you can do the same. Add whatever ACM file, or file extension you wish TB! to prevent being executable ACM from within TB!. - -- Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key ID: 0x0B453F3A49DAB350 Using The Bat! 1.51 Under Windows 98se 4.10 PGP key available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 05 iQA/AwUBOu9otQtFPzpJ2rNQEQIwWACghC9ap6vJraipZhCpiuJbN7iEAYMAnRG8 F2FrY3Q2oAC7f+gkQfPdqv6b =vjow -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat!-GUI question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Nick, This is a reply to your message dated Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 8:55:53 AM, when you wrote: NA Less than one second with my trusty old P166 with 64 MB RAM... but NA it's a clean and mean machine ;o), running both standard TB! and NA SecureBat. Where can one get SecureBat or do you have to be a beta tester? Also, does it run on a single Win 98 machine or does it require a Win NT network? Thanks! - -- Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key ID: 0x0B453F3A49DAB350 Using The Bat! 1.51 Under Windows 98se 4.10 PGP key available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 05 iQA/AwUBOu9iLgtFPzpJ2rNQEQLSIACeP1BAtIry5MgedCffAUIIFZfI/k0An2eP X3+kbgddWekg3X+iDbt9K1k5 =4JoY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
reply address config
I get mail from I get mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] when I hit reply the message ed comes up with that in the To: line. I'd like to have the name that I have in the address book for that address/person to come up instead of the email addy. Any way to do this. It's correct when I initiate a new mail message, the problem is when I do a reply. Any help appreciated! Bob -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why Can't I Print?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 1, 2001, at 2:43:08 AM, William Moore wrote: WM I've been through printer setup and all my other apps print as WM usual. What does your Print Template look like? You can find it under Message/Print Setup. I am trying to change mine such that when I want to print out a message(s), it will simply print them out. However, I need some kind of Macro to do that and I cannot find one. At present, %CLIPBOARD is used but I'm not happy with that. Perhaps others can share their Print Templates that would allow TB! to print up to any number of messages? - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- [ TB! v1.52 Beta/12/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE ] [ GnuPG v1.0.4-2 (MingW32) | Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ] __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4-2 (MingW32) - GnuPGshell v1.73 Comment: Join PGP-Basics: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iD8DBQE67vTYxQKEdHuj/c4RAj1UAJ44e63zeRBbbibTJ5EzXdQXfjKzuACgnWdW FZCXFqB/7WC96jWA34B/OB8= =uZTU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
