Re[2]: Edit received messages

[Jannik Lindquist]

Hello Thomas,

Tuesday, May 08, 2001, 5:26:09 AM, you wrote:

> (including sending mails to the wrong recipient -
> let's forbid this too!)

Ten points! I want that - now!

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Re: 1.52 Message centre/Connection Centre problems

[Jannik Lindquist]

Hello John,

Monday, May 07, 2001, 10:36:13 AM, you wrote:

> I was quite happy with the old progress bar and now it has been
> replaced by something hideously ugly

In my opinion the CC is a significant improvement to TB. I found the
old progress bar to be next to useless. If you resize the entire CC so
that you can see all columns in the upper window and scroll down to
the log in the lower window, you've got a superb option for control of
your doings when sending and receiving mails - IMO!

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Re: 1.52 Message centre/Connection Centre problems

[Jannik Lindquist]

Hello IronHand,

On Mon, 7 May 2001 23:21:14 +0200 (Mon, 07 May 23:21:14 in Copenhagen)
you wrote:

> One of them _should_ stop immediatly, one should wait to the end of the
> in-progress action, but You are right - they do nothing!

"Delete" is for deleting queued tasks and "Abort" is for stopping
in-progress action. Both work without any trouble here.

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Re: 1.52 Message centre/Connection Centre problems

[Thomas]

Hi ANT-ilic,

On Mon, 7 May 2001 23:47:54 +0200GMT (08/05/2001, 05:47 +0800GMT),
ANT-ilic wrote:

I Yes. And I wonder what's the difference (Delete/Abort)?

[...]

Ai> Oh but they do... They crash my comp every time... I haven't had TB
Ai> crashing this often for a long, long time... It always has something
Ai> to do with stoping message download... I'm now back to 1.51...

Wise decision. Anotehr unfixed beta-bug. Should have been fixed before
putting a release version on the website. Maybe it's fixed in one of
the 1.52 c,d,e,... versions? Still no idea who these version differ.

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Re: POP before SMTP trouble and orher questions

[Thomas]

Hi Urke,

On Mon, 7 May 2001 20:52:42 +0200GMT (08/05/2001, 02:52 +0800GMT),
Urke wrote:

U> Yahoo mail require POP before SMTP authentication, and I check this
U> option for SMTP intensification properties, so I guess to TB making
U> mistakes. Em I right?

Multithreading problem, old bug:

When you have enabled combined delivery, then TB will of course start
a POP session to download mails. At the same time, an SMTP session
should be started, but wait: you have set "POP before SMTP", so the
"send" thread will try to log into your POP server. The "send" session
is unsuccessful, as you are already logged in, and ther POP server
rejects a second log-in under teh same ID.

What happens is then, I am not sure about. Possibility one will tell
the SMTP session that "POP before SMTP" was unsuccessful, and aborts.
Possibility two will start an SMTP session anyway, but since the SMTP
server is not released yet (the POP session is still under way),
sending must be unusccessful.

This bug could be corrected as follows:

If "POP before SMTP" is checked, and "combined delivery"- or a POP
session is active -, then the SMTP session should wait until the POP
session is finished.

This bug has existed ever since "POP before SMTP" was introduced as an
option in TB.

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Re[4]: Edit received messages

[George Schoelles]

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Looks like a plugin error, in as checking past email the characters are
only present when the plugin is used vs:  hot-keys.
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Re[2]: Edit received messages

[George Schoelles]

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Isn't this why we use PGP?
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Re: Edit received messages

[Thomas]

Hi Anne-Sophie,

On Mon, 7 May 2001 21:37:49 +0200GMT (08/05/2001, 03:37 +0800GMT),
Anne-Sophie Hombert wrote:

MDP>> Where's the problem? TB may not do received message editing it like
MDP>> you may be used to or have seen elsewhere, but you certainly can't do
MDP>> it /by mistake/. That's a "Good Thing" (tm) in my books :-).

ASH> I totally agree with you on this. It's fine the way it is. Thanks for
ASH> your help. I was getting afraid we were plunging into a controversial
ASH> thread.

Not so fast. ;-) I am in favour of being able to edit received
messages. Of course, you can do it by mistake, like you can do many
things by mistake (including sending mails to the wrong recipient -
let's forbid this too!).

I often want to edit the subject line, because I keep getting messages
from airfreight offices saying "new airfreight shipment". Well, if it
weren't about an airfreight shipment, why would the airfreight office
send me an email anyway? (It's filtered into the airfreight folder, so
I know before I open the message, even before I open the folder, that
there is a message about an airfreight shipment). 10 emails with the
same subject don't help: so I want to change the subject to "shipper
name / consignee name", and in some cases add the order number or
shipment number.

This is my major reason.

Also, people tend to fullquote in the business world, and I don't want
to keep all 14K of the message. So I want to cut off the garbage.

Exporting, editing, importing is too troublesome. It should be
possible to do it on the fly. With an option to activate "Are you sure
Y/N" - "Really? Y/N" - "This is irreversible. Do you mean it? Y/N" if
you want.

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Re[4]: 1.52 Message centre/Connection Centre problems

[ANT-ilic]

Hi IronHand,

  On the Monday, May 07, 2001, U wrote:

I> Hello!

I> As an answer for Your letter, I would like to write:

I>>> Yes. And I wonder what's the difference (Delete/Abort)?
>> I didn't found ay difference... Both didn't anything, or waited until
>> the connection to server was established or i one case crached TB... I
>> couldn't start it again until system restart...

I> I was kidding. One of them _should_ stop immediatly, one should wait to
I> the end of the in-progress action, but You are right - they do nothing!

Oh but they do... They crash my comp every time... I haven't had TB
crashing this often for a long, long time... It always has something
to do with stoping message download... I'm now back to 1.51...
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Re: Birthday reminder

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Monday, May 07, 2001, Pete P wrote:

> Okay, I give up... where's the birthday reminder?

Display reminder is displayed, if one (or more) cantacts have same date
stored in "Birthday" field in Personal tab with actual date in computer.
This reminder is displayed once in that day only.

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Re[3]: 1.52 Message centre/Connection Centre problems

[IronHand]

Hello!

As an answer for Your letter, I would like to write:

I>> Yes. And I wonder what's the difference (Delete/Abort)?
> I didn't found ay difference... Both didn't anything, or waited until
> the connection to server was established or i one case crached TB... I
> couldn't start it again until system restart...

I was kidding. One of them _should_ stop immediatly, one should wait to
the end of the in-progress action, but You are right - they do nothing!

Best Regards
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Re: Birthday reminder

[Devid Verfaillie]

On Monday, May 07, 2001 22:02:39 Pete P wrote:

> Okay, I give up... where's the birthday reminder?

Address book - Properties of a contact - Tab "Personal"


HTH

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Re[2]: 1.52 Message centre/Connection Centre problems

[ANT-ilic]

Hi IronHand,

  On the Monday, May 07, 2001, U wrote:

>> 2. On checking multiple accounts in previous versions, it would
>> sometimes fail to retrieve mail from an account. I would cancel
>> retrieval after oking the warning message, select the account and
>> retrieve mail ok. With 1.52 the same thing happens but if I now try to
>> cancel the download, the retrieval can't be cancelled, no matter what
>> option (Delete task or Abort) I try in the Connection centre. I can

I> Yes. And I wonder what's the difference (Delete/Abort)?

I didn't found ay difference... Both didn't anything, or waited until
the connection to server was established or i one case crached TB... I
couldn't start it again until system restart...

>> still navigate around the program but I can't get rid of the retrieval
>> task. If I try to close the whole program down, it hangs completely
>> and I have to ctl-alt-del to get rid of it.

I> Well, it's because it's in the developement stadium (Connection Centre).
I> I also think, that it would be nice to let user choose: Old progress
I> window or CC.

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Excessive Quoting

[A Curtis Martin]

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I've been dealing with a backlog of messages, and after reading, I felt
the need to remind subscribers to please take the time to appropriately
trim the text quoted in their replies. Appropriate trimming makes reading
the message much easier in terms of avoiding unnecessary scrolling/
scanning and it definitely conserves on bandwidth.

Thanks.

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Re[2]: Update on Access Violation Error

[Ryan Phillips]

Monday, May 07, 2001, 11:29:18 AM, you wrote:

MDP> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
MDP> Hash: SHA1

MDP> Hi Silviu,

MDP> On 07 May 2001 at  20:19:52 +0300 (which was 18:19 where I  live)
MDP> Silviu Cojocaru wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these
MDP> points:

SC>> I'm curious about one thing though, do people at RIT actually read
SC>> the stuff in this list ?

MDP> They browse the UDL but they *read* the BETA list.

SC>> I hope they don't rely only on the users' feedback sent directly
SC>> to them, problems can be profiled better in discussion lists then
SC>> anywhere else. This is a known fact (at least in the Linux world
SC>> where I come from).

MDP> I know that I've mentioned before that it is often more effective to
MDP> report bugs on TBBETA and during a beta cycle than most other forms.

MDP> OTOH there is a "Help .. feedback .. bug report" option on the main
MDP> TB menu which will send a bug report to a place that is certain to be
MDP> read.

MDP> The common practice for bug reporting is to file one of these reports
MDP> and cc it to the TBBETA (or TBUDL but not both) list.


It seems that the new 1.52e download is working.  I haven't been able
to test this at home on my computer, but it works fine at work here.


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Re: Filters don't work

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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On Monday, May 07, 2001 at 20:29 (my local time), Hanspeter Schaffner
presented us with these thoughts about "Filters don't work":

HS> Well, I create filters i.e. by pressing strg-shift-f in the message
HS> editor,

Hi Hanspeter,
that's interesting. This shortcut starts my ICQ message center... *lol* So
I won't be any help here I guess. *S*

Cheers
Peter
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Re[2]: Update on Access Violation Error

[Ryan Phillips]

Hello Fred,

Monday, May 07, 2001, 9:49:09 AM, you wrote:

FvV> On 5/7/2001 Ryan wrote

R>> Thanks to David van Zuijlekom, I have received Beta 13 and Beta 14 of
R>> the Bat.

R>> Beta 13 works great.  Any message I want to delete works perfectly
R>> fine.

R>> Beta 14 will produce the access violation as I have previously stated,
R>> but will successfully delete the message selected.

R>> Release 1.52c will produce the access violation as I have previously
R>> stated, but will NOT successfully delete the message.

R>> The error message:
R>>  Access Violation at address 005F9753.  Read of address 0008
R>> In all cases where there is an access violation the read of address
R>> is the same, but the Access Violation address is different.

R>> I hope this helps.

R>> Best Regards,
R>> Ryan Phillips

FvV> Will you please send me beta 13?

FvV> With version 1.52c I see the same Access Violation error as
FvV> you but the Read of address is !

Once I get home from work, I'll email out beta 13 and beta 14 to the
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Re[2]: Versions Coming Fast & Furious

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Hello Nick,

On Monday, May 07, 2001 12:55:00 [ -0700 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Versions Coming Fast & Furious':

Nick> On May 7, 2001, at 11:51:26 AM, Dwight A Corrin wrote:

DAC>> At http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/download.html they are back to
DAC>> offering 1.51 again.

Nick> We must be looking at two different pages, because when I access that URL
Nick> I see v1.52e being offered? Anyone else see v1.51 as Dwight does?

  Maybe Dwight didn't refresh the page.

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Birthday reminder

[Pete P]

Okay, I give up... where's the birthday reminder?



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Re: Versions Coming Fast & Furious

[Nick Andriash]

On May 7, 2001, at 11:51:26 AM, Dwight A Corrin wrote:

DAC> At http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/download.html they are back to
DAC> offering 1.51 again.

We must be looking at two different pages, because when I access that URL
I see v1.52e being offered? Anyone else see v1.51 as Dwight does?


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Re[2]: Edit received messages

[Anne-Sophie Hombert]

Hello Marck,

Monday, May 07, 2001, 20:45:01, you wrote:

MDP> Annotating messages is covered by the "Memo" function of TB. Editing
MDP> is a separate issue.

I did not know about the "memo" function. Useful too ... I'm learning
something new every day with TB!

MDP> Where's the problem? TB may not do received message editing it like
MDP> you may be used to or have seen elsewhere, but you certainly can't do
MDP> it /by mistake/. That's a "Good Thing" (tm) in my books :-).

I totally agree with you on this. It's fine the way it is. Thanks for
your help. I was getting afraid we were plunging into a controversial
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Re: Filters don't work

[Ottar Grimstad]

Hello Hanspeter,

Monday, May 07, 2001, 8:29:24 PM, you wrote:

HS> Well, I create filters i.e. by pressing strg-shift-f in the
HS> message editor, modify the folder entry to where I want to place
HS> the message and press ok.

  When I think about it, I have experienced similar problems when I
  automatically accept the string that Shift-Control-F generates. I
  always edit this string and take out everything but the pure
  e-mailaddress itself.

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Re: Versions Coming Fast & Furious

[Shauna Scott]

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Hello All,

On 2001-05-07, Dwight A Corrin wrote:

DAC> On Monday, May 07, 2001, 1:29:36 PM, Nick Andriash wrote:

>> I notice the Web site already indicates TB! v1.52e as the official
>> version available, but the "What's New" file only reports what is
>> new up to v1.52c?

>> Anyone know "what's new"? ;o)

DAC> At http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/download.html they are back to
DAC> offering 1.51 again.

But if you download it you actually get version 1.52d (at least that's
what it was 2 hours ago), while if you check the beta site, you can
find the exe for version 1.52e (again, as of two hours ago).



Best Regards
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Re: Versions Coming Fast & Furious

[jsvrp.gw]

Hello,

Monday, May 07, 2001, 8:29:36 PM, you wrote:

NA> I notice the Web site already indicates TB! v1.52e as the official version
NA> available, but the "What's New" file only reports what is new up to
NA> v1.52c?

NA> Anyone know "what's new"? ;o)

Confusion.

In the German download section you read 1.52e, also on the homepage.
What's new reads 1.52c and when downloading and installing it's says 1.52d (see below).

When I compare readme.txt from 1.52c and the newly installed 1.52d:

Actually *NO* difference, except the header:

1.52d
> Version 1.52
>
>
> What's new in The Bat! 1.52?

1.53c

> Version 1.52c (05-May-2001)
>
> What's new in The Bat! 1.52c?

No date anymore, only version 1.52!

I'm confused, somebody give me a drink :-)

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POP before SMTP trouble and orher questions

[Urke]

Hello TBUDL,

First, when I send messages to TBUDL and TBTECH trough yahoo SMTP,
and combined check mailbox on Yahoo mail, Bat only send messages, but
not receive new from mailbox, so I must to Abort job an then only
check mailbox to get new mails.

On Transport tab in Account Properties I check Combined delivery.

Yahoo mail require POP before SMTP authentication, and I check this
option for SMTP intensification properties, so I guess to TB making
mistakes. Em I right?

Second question is why in headers for my post is placed:

X-Apparently-From: 

and

X-Lookup-Warning: reverse lookup on original sender failed

My e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re[2]: Time Zones???

[IronHand]

Hello!

As an answer for Your letter, I would like to write:

> Just out of curiosity, what does "BST" stand for?

Maybe it's some sub-version of BSE? ;)))

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Re: Update on Access Violation Error

[IronHand]

Hello!

As an answer for Your letter, I would like to write:

> Beta 13 works great.  Any message I want to delete works perfectly
> fine.
> Beta 14 will produce the access violation as I have previously stated,
> but will successfully delete the message selected.

I wonder, why they're not available any more on RIT server?

> Release 1.52c will produce the access violation as I have previously
> stated, but will NOT successfully delete the message.

Not true. I am using 1.52c and i get an access violation, but message is
beeing deleted. It's also strange, because first deletion takes about 15
seconds!

> The error message:
>  Access Violation at address 005F9753.  Read of address 0008
> In all cases where there is an access violation the read of address
> is the same, but the Access Violation address is different.

Thats obvious! Delphi reports Access Violation mostly, when program
refers to not existing object (Button, Label, etc.) or its not existing
property (FE: (FObject as TPanel).Caption:='Hello', When FObject is
TEdit type). Every time it searches in a different part of memory,
that's why numbers changes.

> I hope this helps.

Yes, but it would be nice to make beta 13 and 14 available somehow,
somewhere...

> Best Regards,
> Ryan Phillips

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Re: 1.52 Message centre/Connection Centre problems

[IronHand]

Hello!

As an answer for Your letter, I would like to write:

> Message centre, I assume this is the Connection centre.

AFAIR this name has changed between betas.

> 1. I was quite happy with the old progress bar and now it has been
> replaced by something hideously ugly.

Informations showed by CC are usefull, but I do agree, that it's ugly.
As someone said "that's when GUI is beeing prepared by programers". ;)

> 2. On checking multiple accounts in previous versions, it would
> sometimes fail to retrieve mail from an account. I would cancel
> retrieval after oking the warning message, select the account and
> retrieve mail ok. With 1.52 the same thing happens but if I now try to
> cancel the download, the retrieval can't be cancelled, no matter what
> option (Delete task or Abort) I try in the Connection centre. I can

Yes. And I wonder what's the difference (Delete/Abort)?

> still navigate around the program but I can't get rid of the retrieval
> task. If I try to close the whole program down, it hangs completely
> and I have to ctl-alt-del to get rid of it.

Well, it's because it's in the developement stadium (Connection Centre).
I also think, that it would be nice to let user choose: Old progress
window or CC.

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Re: Secure and The Bat differences

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Wayne,

On 07 May 2001 at  05:36:57 -0700 (which was 13:36 where I  live)
Wayne Black wrote to A Curtis Martin and made these points:

ACM>> SecureBat is not yet officially released and is undergoing closed
ACM>> beta testing at present.

WB> What is the cost of the hardware and the iKey needed to use
WB> SecureBat? I just wondered if it was for businesses or too
WB> expensive or overkill for the casual user.

It is more business orientated for certain. The iKey costs around $40
while SecureBat! itself retails at $140. Certainly not for the casual
user at such levels.

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Re: Edit received messages

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Dwight,

On 07 May 2001 at  13:04:42 -0500 (which was 19:04 where I  live)
Dwight A Corrin wrote to Dierk Haasis and made these points:

>> your formatting needs remind me of another way: Export messages as
>> text file and use a word processor.

DAC> At least part of the point of doing the editing/annotating in the
DAC> original message is to be able to find it in the thread
DAC>   ^

Annotating messages is covered by the "Memo" function of TB. Editing
is a separate issue.

DAC> this is why the header changing workarounds aren't satisfactory
DAC> either.

You see, because you have added "annotating" to the argument, the
original point has been diluted and fuddled.

If you want to annotate a message in-situ, you can. No work-around
needed. Don't confuse the need to annotate with the need to edit
otherwise the whole topic becomes confused (as it is).

If you want to change the content/subject of a message to pick out
salient details you can. While this may have the look and feel of a
work-around, it is adequate for its purpose.

You would annotate a message in context. You would edit a message
outside of a context. You could even cut and paste from several
messages to send yourself a digest of salient points gleaned from a
thread.

Where's the problem? TB may not do received message editing it like
you may be used to or have seen elsewhere, but you certainly can't do
it /by mistake/. That's a "Good Thing" (tm) in my books :-).

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Re[2]: Secure and The Bat differences

[IronHand]

Hello!

As an answer for Your letter, I would like to write:

ACM>> SecureBat is not yet officially released and is undergoing closed
ACM>> beta testing at present.

> What is the cost of the hardware and the iKey needed to use SecureBat?
> I just wondered if it was for businesses or too expensive or overkill
> for the casual user.

AFAIR it will not be available for 'normal user'. I don't know why,
though. There is also StrongBat! out there, but I don't know the
difference (I think it's not using iKey). Ask Marck D. Pearlstone, he's
one of couple SecureBat users. Read:
http://thebat.kappa.com.pl/index.php?artc=95
This is an interviev with Marck. It also covers some info about this
project.

Best Regards
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Re[2]: Filters don't work

[Hanspeter Schaffner]

Hello Peter,

Well, I create filters i.e. by pressing strg-shift-f in the message
editor, modify the folder entry to where I want to place the message
and press ok. I guess I do everything according to the help text. Is
there a way to catch error messages about non-working filters?

TIA

Hanspeter

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Re: Versions Coming Fast & Furious

[Leslie Costar]

Hello Nick,

Monday, May 07, 2001, 7:29:36 PM, you wrote:

NA> I notice the Web site already indicates TB! v1.52e as the official version
NA> available, but the "What's New" file only reports what is new up to
NA> v1.52c?

NA> Anyone know "what's new"? ;o)


NA> Nick

What happened to a, b and indeed version d !?! :)

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Re: Update on Access Violation Error

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Silviu,

On 07 May 2001 at  20:19:52 +0300 (which was 18:19 where I  live)
Silviu Cojocaru wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these
points:

SC> I'm curious about one thing though, do people at RIT actually read
SC> the stuff in this list ?

They browse the UDL but they *read* the BETA list.

SC> I hope they don't rely only on the users' feedback sent directly
SC> to them, problems can be profiled better in discussion lists then
SC> anywhere else. This is a known fact (at least in the Linux world
SC> where I come from).

I know that I've mentioned before that it is often more effective to
report bugs on TBBETA and during a beta cycle than most other forms.

OTOH there is a "Help .. feedback .. bug report" option on the main
TB menu which will send a bug report to a place that is certain to be
read.

The common practice for bug reporting is to file one of these reports
and cc it to the TBBETA (or TBUDL but not both) list.

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Re[2]: Edit received messages

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Monday, May 07, 2001, 12:14:16 PM, Dierk Haasis wrote:

> your formatting needs remind me of another way: Export messages as
> text file and use a word processor.

At least part of the point of doing the editing/annotating in the
original message is to be able to find it in the thread
  ^

this is why the header changing workarounds aren't satisfactory
either.

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Re[2]: Edit received messages

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Monday, May 07, 2001, 12:04:19 PM, Peter Meyns wrote:

> I think that's not the point. Of course everyone can store their
> messages the way they want. The unethical thing IMHO would be, when
> the message would appear as sent this way by the author. So I find
> it absolutely correct, that TB! does offer a way to store edited
> messages as described by Karin and Marck before, including changes
> of the header info. In case you need the original header for
> whatever, you can save it in a text file before editing the msg.


So, who appointed TheBat! watchdog of ethics? If someone wants to
forge messages they can find a way to do it. Software should not be
designed so that all users are hobbled so that some person who wants
to be a bad actor will have to use some other software or also be
inconvenienced.

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Re: Edit received messages

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Dwight!

On Monday, May 07, 2001 at 1:45:55 PM you wrote:


> I  can't  imagine  what  the fact many people think it is unethical to
> edit  received  messages  would  have  to  do  with making this useful
> feature  available to the rest of us, who find it useful to be able to
> annotate  messages,  or archive less than entire messages or highlight
> some  particular  portion of a message (it would be nice to be able to
> put part of a message in italics, or in another color, or another type
> size  or  another  font,  bu  the  way) or edit for some other reason.
> People  who  don't  think  that is ethical don't need to do it, but it
> should be possible.

your formatting needs remind me of another way: Export messages as
text file and use a word processor.


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Re[3]: Edit received messages

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Hello All,

George wrote on 5/7/2001, 2:26 PM:

George> Finger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for keys
George> or ØbØbX
   ^^

This is the third time I see random characters appearing in the
signature. In all occasions, taglines and PGP-signing was used.

George, would you check please if your was already
corrupted before you sent it?

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Re: Update on Access Violation Error

[Silviu Cojocaru]

Monday, May 07, 2001, 7:49:09 PM, Fred van Veen wrote:

> On 5/7/2001 Ryan wrote

R>> Thanks to David van Zuijlekom, I have received Beta 13 and Beta 14 of
R>> the Bat.

R>> Beta 13 works great.  Any message I want to delete works perfectly
R>> fine.

R>> Beta 14 will produce the access violation as I have previously stated,
R>> but will successfully delete the message selected.

R>> Release 1.52c will produce the access violation as I have previously
R>> stated, but will NOT successfully delete the message.

R>> The error message:
R>>  Access Violation at address 005F9753.  Read of address 0008
R>> In all cases where there is an access violation the read of address
R>> is the same, but the Access Violation address is different.

R>> I hope this helps.

R>> Best Regards,
R>> Ryan Phillips

> Will you please send me beta 13?

> With version 1.52c I see the same Access Violation error as
> you but the Read of address is !


I'm curious about one thing though, do people at RIT actually
read the stuff in this list ?

I hope they don't rely only on the users' feedback sent directly
to them, problems can be profiled better in discussion lists then
anywhere else. This is a known fact (at least in the Linux world
where I come from).

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Re: Filters don't work

[Peter Meyns]

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On Monday, May 07, 2001 at 17:54 (my local time), Hanspeter Schaffner
presented us with these thoughts about "Filters don't work":

HS> I read the help text to the filter assistent but I cannot figure out
HS> why all my filters but one do not work. It is hard to specify my
HS> problem more exactly as I cannot imagin where it is. The charakter
HS> string is correct, the filter is activ, locations are mostly set to
HS> all the header and presence is yes.

Hi Hanspeter,

it would be useful to know, what exactly you want to achieve. I had some
trouble with filtering myself. But without knowing what it is, that
doesn't work, it's very hard to imagine a solution...

Cheers
Peter
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Re: Edit received messages

[Peter Meyns]

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On Monday, May 07, 2001 at 14:26 (my local time), George F Schoelles
presented us with these thoughts about "Edit received messages":

T>> No; many people think it would be unethical to edit received messages.
T>> Since a workaround is available (the one you are using), I don't quite
T>> see the point either. ;-)

GFS> That is dumb!  Who owns the disk that the saved messages is on?  The
GFS> sender or TheBat client owner.

Hi George,

I think that's not the point. Of course everyone can store their messages
the way they want. The unethical thing IMHO would be, when the message
would appear as sent this way by the author. So I find it absolutely
correct, that TB! does offer a way to store edited messages as described
by Karin and Marck before, including changes of the header info.
In case you need the original header for whatever, you can save it in a
text file before editing the msg.

Cheers
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The Bat! 1.52 - bug report

[Karin Spaink]

[Actually, this is a copy of a bug report I submitted for
TB 1.48. It still persists.]


  I'm using The Bat! Version 1.52
  Serial Number F6B77929
  under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6


  The bug description:

When deleting a few mails simultaneously in an open thread
in Folder View, the body part of the screen turns blank. If
you then move to any message, bodies are shown again but the
buttons in the folder view are greyed and unusable.

  Steps to reproduce the bug:

Set your Folder view to Thread by reference, ordered by
subject. Open a tread and delete all (or a few) messages
within that thread. The cursor in the message list will jump
to the higher message and the lower part of the folder view,
where the body of a message is supposed to be shown, goes
blank. At the same time all buttons are greyed out and
unusable. If you then click on a message in Folder view, the
body window gets restored but the buttons remain 'dead'. The
only way to fully restore all functions is to close and
reopen the folder.


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Re: Filters don't work

[Jan Rifkinson]

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Hello Hanspeter,

On Monday, May 07, 2001 17:54:59 [ +0200 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Filters don't work':

Hanspeter> I read the help text to the filter assistent but I cannot figure out
Hanspeter> why all my filters but one do not work. It is hard to specify my
Hanspeter> problem more exactly as I cannot imagin where it is.

  Sometimes this kind of problem involves where this filter is in
  the list of filters. Consider that TB! starts at the top of the
  list & works down the list. Generally speaking, specific filters
  go @ the top of the list & gen'l filters go @ the bottom of the
  list. HTH

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Re: Update on Access Violation Error

[Fred van Veen]

On 5/7/2001 Ryan wrote

R> Thanks to David van Zuijlekom, I have received Beta 13 and Beta 14 of
R> the Bat.

R> Beta 13 works great.  Any message I want to delete works perfectly
R> fine.

R> Beta 14 will produce the access violation as I have previously stated,
R> but will successfully delete the message selected.

R> Release 1.52c will produce the access violation as I have previously
R> stated, but will NOT successfully delete the message.

R> The error message:
R>  Access Violation at address 005F9753.  Read of address 0008
R> In all cases where there is an access violation the read of address
R> is the same, but the Access Violation address is different.

R> I hope this helps.

R> Best Regards,
R> Ryan Phillips

Will you please send me beta 13?

With version 1.52c I see the same Access Violation error as
you but the Read of address is !

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impossible connection with 1.52c fixed

[Sebastian Cano]

Hi wise people,

  I noticed a problem with TB1.52c:
  Using it in mode Workstation with TCP/IP, "Connect to the Internet
  using local area network or manual connection", sending or receiving
  anything was impossible. I got an error message each time, error
  633.

  I closed The Bat! and ran regedit, and changed the data of value
  "Use existing RAS connection" in HKCU/Software/RIT/The Bat!

  previous value was 1 (in hexa) and I changed it to 0, it fixed the
  problem.

  Hoping it will help anyone having the same problem...

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Filters don't work

[Hanspeter Schaffner]

Hello,

I read the help text to the filter assistent but I cannot figure out
why all my filters but one do not work. It is hard to specify my
problem more exactly as I cannot imagin where it is. The charakter
string is correct, the filter is activ, locations are mostly set to
all the header and presence is yes.

I use The Bat v. 1.51(?) on a Win95 machine

TIA

Hanspeter



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Re[2]: Secure and The Bat differences

[60 Gunner]

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Wayne,

Monday, May 07, 2001, 08.36.57, you wrote:

WB> What is the cost of the hardware and the iKey needed to use SecureBat?
WB> I just wondered if it was for businesses or too expensive or overkill
WB> for the casual user.

Contact  http://www.rainbow.com/  for  information  regarding the pricing of
iKeys...   I  believe that they run about $35.00 each, but don't quote me on
that!  ;-)

Cheers,

~Chris

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Re: text formating

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Dwight,

Monday, May 07, 2001, 07.52.32, you wrote:

DAC> I just posted a message where I created text, then severely edited it,
DAC> leaving some very long lines and some very short lines.  I used alt-j
DAC> to reflow, but I really don't like text with lots of extra spaces.
DAC> I'd rather just reflow with a jagged right margin.  Is there a key
DAC> stroke to accomplish that?

De-select  "Justify  on Wrap" in your options and that will take care of the
extra spaces and leave you with a jagged right edge...

Cheers,

~Chris

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Re: text formating

[Thomas]

Hello Dwight,

On Mon, 7 May 2001 06:52:32 -0500 GMT (07/05/2001, 19:52 +0800 GMT),
Dwight A Corrin wrote:

DAC> but I really don't like text with lots of extra spaces. I'd
DAC> rather just reflow with a jagged right margin. Is there a key
DAC> stroke to accomplish that?

   alt-L (does what I just did with your message above). Or alt-R
 (attaches to the right margin instead of the left and leaves
   the left margin jagged, as I just did with this paragraph).

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Re: TB and palmtops

[André Engelhardt]

Hello Sir,

 On Monday, May 07, 2001 at 15:11:21GMT +0200 (which was 3:11:21 PM where I live) you 
wrote:


SJ> Here  is a naive question, but I'm a total ignorant in this field:

SJ> -  Can TB run on palmtops, or do they exclusively use their own mail
SJ> software?

SJ> Dejan

No  TB!  does  not  run on these since they use a completely different
Operating  System  so you will not be able to run TB! on a Palm, Psion
or  similiar  handheld  device except if it is running Windows 9x, ME,
2000, (XP?) like for example the Sony VAIO.

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Re: Edit received messages

[Jannik Lindquist]

Hello Thomas,

On Mon, 7 May 2001 00:25:17 +0800 (Sun, 06 May 18:25:17 in Copenhagen)
you wrote:

> No; many people think it would be unethical to edit received messages.
> Since a workaround is available (the one you are using), I don't quite
> see the point either. ;-)

The point of a simple way of doing things is, that it is more simple than
the hard way.

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Re: Edit received messages

[Jannik Lindquist]

Hello Thomas,

On Mon, 7 May 2001 00:25:17 +0800 (Sun, 06 May 18:25:17 in Copenhagen)
you wrote:

> No; many people think it would be unethical to edit received messages.
> Since a workaround is available (the one you are using), I don't quite
> see the point either. ;-)

The point of a simple way of doing things is, that it is more simple than
the hard way.

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Re: TB and palmtops

[Serge Skorokhodov]

Hello Sir,

SJ> Here is a naive question, but I'm a total ignorant in this
SJ> field:

SJ> - Can TB run on palmtops, or do they exclusively use their
SJ> own mail software?

Unfortunately yes, the do use specific software:(

Best regards,
 Serge Skorokhodov   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: text formating

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Dwight,
On Mon, 7 May 2001, at 06:52:32 -0500 you wrote:

DAC> I just posted a message where I created text, then severely
DAC> edited it, leaving some very long lines and some very short
DAC> lines. I used alt-j to reflow, but I really don't like text
DAC> with lots of extra spaces. I'd rather just reflow with a
DAC> jagged right margin. Is there a key stroke to accomplish
DAC> that?

What about -? Also have a look at the menu 'Utilities' ->
'Format Block' to see the different possibilities and their
shortcuts.

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TB and palmtops

[Sir Jinx!]

Here  is a naive question, but I'm a total ignorant in this field:

-  Can TB run on palmtops, or do they exclusively use their own mail
software?

Dejan
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Big problem with the bat 1.52C

[Didier MENE]

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CRITT Matériaux LNE Est

lundi 7 mai 2001 14:37

Hello The Bat Men (and Women),

  I have test the 1.52C version of TB this morning on my LAN, and
  the conclusion is "i can't use this version". I have a big
  problem, I can't sent any message in the client and in the
  server mode.

  When I edit a new message on a client, and when I click on
sent,
  the new connection centre is open the aften secondes I have a
  error sound.
  When I want to force the sent (sent mail for all) on the
server, the connection
  centre is open and nothing happens.
  I have change any option.

  I have reinstall the 1.51 version and all is ready.

  Can anyone help me ?

  Thanks

 Didier

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Re: Secure and The Bat differences

[Wayne Black]

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Hello A,  This is a reply to your message dated
Monday, May 07, 2001, 3:58:44 AM, when you wrote:

ACM> SecureBat provides the means to manage encrypted mail bases in a
ACM> seamless pattern. Message base encryption is done by SecureBat
ACM> and it's used with a special iKey (USB) that allows seamless (on
ACM> the fly) user authentication via a PIN number which is taken from
ACM> the iKey.

ACM> SecureBat is not yet officially released and is undergoing closed
ACM> beta testing at present.

What is the cost of the hardware and the iKey needed to use SecureBat?
I just wondered if it was for businesses or too expensive or overkill
for the casual user.

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Re[2]: Edit received messages

[George F Schoelles]

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Hello Thomas,

Sunday, May 06, 2001, 9:25:17 AM, you wrote:

T> No; many people think it would be unethical to edit received messages.
T> Since a workaround is available (the one you are using), I don't quite
T> see the point either. ;-)

That is dumb!  Who owns the disk that the saved messages is on?  The
sender or TheBat client owner.

For that matter, TheBat is the only client I have used that doesn't
allow this including Microsoft products.  And when does a
"work-around"  make it right.  Kind of like pushing the car up hill
when the engine isn't strong enough and then saying it runs like
new.

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text formating

[Dwight A Corrin]

I just posted a message where I created text, then severely edited it,
leaving some very long lines and some very short lines.  I used alt-j
to reflow, but I really don't like text with lots of extra spaces.
I'd rather just reflow with a jagged right margin.  Is there a key
stroke to accomplish that?

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P O Box 47828
Wichita KS 67201-7828
316.263.9706  fax 316.263.6385
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re[2]: Edit received messages

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Sunday, May 06, 2001, 11:25:17 AM, Thomas wrote:

ASH>> I'm doing some "Spring Cleaning" in my mailboxes and was
ASH>> wondering if there is a "simple" way to edit received messages.

> No; many people think it would be unethical to edit received messages.
> Since a workaround is available (the one you are using), I don't quite
> see the point either. ;-)


I  can't  imagine  what  the fact many people think it is unethical to
edit  received  messages  would  have  to  do  with making this useful
feature  available to the rest of us, who find it useful to be able to
annotate  messages,  or archive less than entire messages or highlight
some  particular  portion of a message (it would be nice to be able to
put part of a message in italics, or in another color, or another type
size  or  another  font,  bu  the  way) or edit for some other reason.
People  who  don't  think  that is ethical don't need to do it, but it
should be possible.



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mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Edit received messages

[Thomas]

Hello Anne-Sophie,

On Sun, 6 May 2001 18:13:34 +0200 GMT (07/05/2001, 00:13 +0800 GMT),
Anne-Sophie Hombert wrote:

ASH> I'm doing some "Spring Cleaning" in my mailboxes and was wondering if
ASH> there is a "simple" way to edit received messages.

No; many people think it would be unethical to edit received messages.
Since a workaround is available (the one you are using), I don't quite
see the point either. ;-)

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direction."


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Re: Missing feature?

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Peter,

On 07 May 2001 at  12:41:50 +0200 (which was 11:41 where I  live)
Peter Palmreuther wrote to TheBat! User discussion list and made these
points:

RL>> the address for it. Is there a way of specifying a default address that
RL>> should be inserted on any new mails created when in a particular folder?

PP> Try a look at the Folder-Properties / Template ... in the Template use the
PP> macro

PP> %TO="Mailinglistename <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

PP> to set the proper recipient :-)

While this is true and fine, it's good to get into the habit of using
the %TO=''%TO='' construct to empty the To: field before adding a
new address to it. The %TO macro is cumulative.

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Re: Missing feature?

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hi Marck,

Historians believe that Mon, 7 May 2001 at 11:54 GMT +0100 was when,
Marck D. Pearlstone [MP] typed the following:


MP> I would advise against reply templates which include the following
MP> macro but it's okay for New messages.

MP> Define a folder template which includes this:

MP> %TO=""%TO='List members <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'

I thought this was the worst place to use a %TO macro.  If you have
this macro, you're in the folder and you click a mailto link, then the
address gets changed to the list address.  By the same token, clicking
on an address in TB does the same.

A better solution is to make an address book entry for the list and
make it a favourite.  Then if you click the little down arrow next to
the new message icon, you get a list of your favourites.  TB organizes
that menu nicely if you use groups.

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Re: Secure and The Bat differences

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Sun, 6 May 2001 18:58:27 +0200, Urke thoughtfully wrote the following:

U> What is differences between:

U> Ritlabs SecureBat! (v1.52 Beta/12/iKey1000)

U> and

U> The Bat! (v1.52 Beta/12)

SecureBat provides the means to manage encrypted mail bases in a seamless
pattern. Message base encryption is done by SecureBat and it's used with a
special iKey (USB) that allows seamless (on the fly) user authentication
via a PIN number which is taken from the iKey.

SecureBat is not yet officially released and is undergoing closed beta
testing at present.

©Allie
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Re: Missing feature?

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Richard,

On 07 May 2001 at  11:24:09 +0100 (which was 11:24 where I  live)
Richard Lane wrote to TBUDL and made these points:

RL> ... When I open a folder from one of the many mailing lists I'm
RL> subscribed to and select new, I have to open up the address book
RL> to select the address for it. Is there a way of specifying a
RL> default address that should be inserted on any new mails created
RL> when in a particular folder?

Check out the folder properties. You can define folder specific
templates for messages with variants for New, Reply and Forwarding. I
would advise against reply templates which include the following macro
but it's okay for New messages.

Define a folder template which includes this:

%TO=""%TO='List members <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'

For replies, define an address book entry for the address of the list
and do something like:

%TO=""%TO='"%OFROMNAME on %ABoreplyNAME" <%OREPLYADDR>'

The %ABoreplyNAME macro pulls up the full name of the list, so keep it
simple at that level.

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Re: Missing feature?

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Richard,

On Monday, May 07, 2001 at 12:24:09 PM you wrote:

RL> Hello TBUDL,

RL> I've been using The Bat for a few days now and so far I'm extremely
RL> impressed and plan to register it in a few days time.

RL> However, there's something that I'm either missing how to do, or it isn't
RL> available. When I open a folder from one of the many mailing lists I'm
RL> subscribed to and select new, I have to open up the address book to select
RL> the address for it. Is there a way of specifying a default address that
RL> should be inserted on any new mails created when in a particular folder?

Try a look at the Folder-Properties / Template ... in the Template use the
macro

%TO="Mailinglistename <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

to set the proper recipient :-)
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Missing feature?

[Richard Lane]

Hello TBUDL,

I've been using The Bat for a few days now and so far I'm extremely
impressed and plan to register it in a few days time.

However, there's something that I'm either missing how to do, or it isn't
available. When I open a folder from one of the many mailing lists I'm
subscribed to and select new, I have to open up the address book to select
the address for it. Is there a way of specifying a default address that
should be inserted on any new mails created when in a particular folder?



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1.52 Message centre/Connection Centre problems

[John Rainer]

In v1.52, the download progress bar has been replaced, according to
the text file of changes, by the Message centre. As I can't find a
Message centre, I assume this is the Connection centre.

A couple of things:

1. I was quite happy with the old progress bar and now it has been
replaced by something hideously ugly.

2. On checking multiple accounts in previous versions, it would
sometimes fail to retrieve mail from an account. I would cancel
retrieval after oking the warning message, select the account and
retrieve mail ok. With 1.52 the same thing happens but if I now try to
cancel the download, the retrieval can't be cancelled, no matter what
option (Delete task or Abort) I try in the Connection centre. I can
still navigate around the program but I can't get rid of the retrieval
task. If I try to close the whole program down, it hangs completely
and I have to ctl-alt-del to get rid of it.

I'm using The Bat on W2K, and am using Norton AV, which has been
working largely ok with this program for at least 12 months.

Thanks

John Rainer

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Re[2]: offtopic (gnupg and TB!)

[William Moore]

Hello Nick,

Monday, May 07, 2001, 1:50:59 AM, you wrote:

NA> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
NA> Hash: SHA1

NA> On May 6, 2001, at 4:15:32 PM, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

JR>>  ok, I'll bite -- what is gnupg?

NA> It's an alternative to PGP Jan. GPG... also known as GnuPG... follows the
NA> OpenPGP Standard and is open source freeware. It is also supported now in
NA> TB! :o)

NA> I have a file that explains how to set it up with TB! if you want. Just
NA> let me know and I will send it to you.


NA> Nick

Would it be possible to send me a copy, please?

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