Re: 1.52 Message centre/Connection Centre problems
Hello IronHand, On Mon, 7 May 2001 23:21:14 +0200 (Mon, 07 May 23:21:14 in Copenhagen) you wrote: One of them _should_ stop immediatly, one should wait to the end of the in-progress action, but You are right - they do nothing! Delete is for deleting queued tasks and Abort is for stopping in-progress action. Both work without any trouble here. -- Best regards, Jannik Lindquist Currently sending from: Becky! 2.00.05 Otherwise using: The Bat! 1.52 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: 1.52 Message centre/Connection Centre problems
Hello John, Monday, May 07, 2001, 10:36:13 AM, you wrote: I was quite happy with the old progress bar and now it has been replaced by something hideously ugly In my opinion the CC is a significant improvement to TB. I found the old progress bar to be next to useless. If you resize the entire CC so that you can see all columns in the upper window and scroll down to the log in the lower window, you've got a superb option for control of your doings when sending and receiving mails - IMO! -- Best regards, Jannik Lindquist 1.52/Windows 98 SE (Danish version) -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Edit received messages
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, May 08, 2001, 5:26:09 AM, you wrote: (including sending mails to the wrong recipient - let's forbid this too!) Ten points! I want that - now! -- Best regards, Jannik Lindquist 1.52/Windows 98 SE (Danish version) -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: POP before SMTP trouble and orher questions
At Tuesday, May 08, 2001 on 5:38:58 AM, Thomas wrote: T If POP before SMTP is checked, and combined delivery- or a POP T session is active -, then the SMTP session should wait until the POP T session is finished. Well, this is to bad :( Now I must first to send mails, and trough some time to check mailbox, two things by two step :( -- Urke from Serbia mailer: The Bat! v1.52 OpSys: Windows 98 4.10 Build A System: Cyrix 200+ 16MB EDO _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Filters don't work
Hello Peter, On Monday, May 07, 2001 at 10:39:46 PM you wrote: HS Well, I create filters i.e. by pressing strg-shift-f in the message HS editor, PM Hi Hanspeter, PM that's interesting. This shortcut starts my ICQ message center... *lol* So PM I won't be any help here I guess. *S* It is the same as if you choose Message / Specials / Create Filter in main window or Specials / Create Filter in Folder View ... btw: you can (surely only if you want to!!!) re-configure your ICQ to not using the same hotkeys/shortcuts as your TB! I tend to use an additional Alt-Key to the existing shortcuts for ICQ :-) Simply go ICQ / Preferences / Contact List - Tab Shortcuts -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.52e on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 (WindowsME) -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Can receive, but can't send email
I am having a problem sending email. I normally connect via a LAN to the Internet. However, I am now connecting via a dialup connection and can receive email, but cannot send. I am getting the error Cannot connect to server in the log. What difference does it make to The Bat! *how* I connect?! If I have a working nameserver to resolve hostnames? TIA /W -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Can receive, but can't send email
Hi Warren, On Tue, 08 May 2001 04:48:01 -0400GMT (08/05/2001, 16:48 +0800GMT), Warren W. Weiss wrote: WWW What difference does it make to The Bat! *how* I connect?! None. But it may make a difference to your SMTP server. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.51 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Versions Coming Fast Furious
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Nick, On Monday, May 07, 2001 at 12:55:00 -0700, Nick Andriash [NA] wrote concerning 'Versions Coming Fast Furious': DAC At http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/download.html they are back to DAC offering 1.51 again. NA We must be looking at two different pages, because when I access that URL NA I see v1.52e being offered? Anyone else see v1.51 as Dwight does? They didn't update the downloadpage. It still mentions version 1.51 but if you download it, you get the latest version of 1.52. I have version 1.52f now. - -- Best regards, David PGPkeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Send_PGP_key ** Ever stop to think, and forget to start again? ** [TB! 1.52f] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Build 05 iQA/AwUBOvexiVK9yf5+yp9NEQIShACgqGRjQP1FCMchSWFfSslhCF7sLcMAn1Xj dPhX7mNC74tpFSmEnbCUGmAF =PYY4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Versions Coming Fast Furious
Hello all, Tuesday, May 08, 2001, David van Zuijlekom wrote: DAC At http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/download.html they are back to DAC offering 1.51 again. NA We must be looking at two different pages, because when I access that URL NA I see v1.52e being offered? Anyone else see v1.51 as Dwight does? They didn't update the downloadpage. It still mentions version 1.51 but if you download it, you get the latest version of 1.52. I have version 1.52f now. downoad page was changed, but You (or Your ISP) have it in proxy cache. -- Bye Marek Mikus Using the best The Bat! 1.52f under the worst Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 Intel Celeron 266 MHz, 96 MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: POP before SMTP trouble and orher questions
Hello Urke, On Mon, 7 May 2001 at 20:52:42 GMT +0200 (which was 08/05/2001 1:52 GMT +0700 my Local Time) Urke=[U] wrote to TBUDL : U First, when I send messages to TBUDL and TBTECH trough yahoo SMTP, U and combined check mailbox on Yahoo mail, Bat only send messages, but U not receive new from mailbox, so I must to Abort job an then only U check mailbox to get new mails. U Yahoo mail require POP before SMTP authentication, and I check this U option for SMTP intensification properties, so I guess to TB making U mistakes. Em I right? Thomas already answer this, I just want to add: I am using SMTPAuth while using my yahoo.com account. U Second question is why in headers for my post is placed: U X-Apparently-From: urosevic?[EMAIL PROTECTED] This header add by Yahoo.Com MTA, for anti spam (abusing) checking. But I dunno for precise why it change _ character to ?, I guess something relate to 8-bit MIME conversion. U and U X-Lookup-Warning: reverse lookup on original sender failed That's ListServer did, ...uhm...I thought I have disable it..hmm will check out ASAP. -- Best regards, - Syafril - |Syafril Hermansyah - [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |www.dutaint.co.id - www.dutaint.com | Using The Bat! 1.52e under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Problems with The Bat! 152f
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello TBUDL, First of all TB seems not to be logging connections anymore. I have no new entries since I was useing 1.51. Also changing between groups in the address book hangs for about 5 seconds, aside from loseing all my entries and templates. When I try to make a new group in the adress book I get an access violation. I have a pretty small message base, around 400 messages in TB at a time and purge and compress on exit. TB seems much slower to load now. Anyone else haveing these problems? Until I make new templates I am useing TB 152f on windows 98se build a with an athlon 650 and 192mb ram. TIA - -- Best regards, John mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: signed sealed and delivered if yours!! iQA/AwUBOvfU+9vO65qcS8wJEQJjHwCg1IG8lNh2ng48UWbCuEqcJ6RjrWgAoNKy iLKiAhe4cZF/3YWzgwSYhzGz =S5ta -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: 1.52 Message centre/Connection Centre problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jannik, On Tuesday, May 08, 2001 08:48:49 [ +0200 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to '1.52 Message centre/Connection Centre problems': Jannik In my opinion the CC is a significant improvement to TB. I found the Jannik old progress bar to be next to useless. If you resize the entire CC so Jannik that you can see all columns in the upper window and scroll down to Jannik the log in the lower window, you've got a superb option for control of Jannik your doings when sending and receiving mails [...] How does one access the CC? - -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! v1.52 Beta/12/WinMe/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOvfZtfvZew4/FKBgEQKAaACg8NmUP4KMk0igGql/NGAfHhooL9IAn1GS GlihYkvRK8R6dwB9C2nQuSC+ =eyvu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Problems with The Bat! 152f
Hello John, On Tuesday, May 08, 2001 at 1:13:38 PM you wrote: JS Hello TBUDL, JS First of all TB seems not to be logging connections anymore. I have JS no new entries since I was useing 1.51. not confirmed over here ... CUT 08.05.2001, 13:18:29: FETCH - received message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2760 bytes) /CUT JS Also changing between groups in the address book hangs for about 5 JS seconds, not so over here ... everything like ever .. switch,switch,switch ... :-) JS aside from loseing all my entries and templates. not directly loosing ... One I created new today was lost ... the rest was DISABLED!!! *ua* ... OK .. the lost one wasn't THAT important, but it's not nice by TB! to throw them away or simply disable them :-( I think this should be fixed :-) I should give one more detail: only templates form AB are discovered by that! Folder-templates are fine OK ... JS When I try to make a new group in the adress book I get an access JS violation. Me not ... JS I have a pretty small message base, around 400 messages in TB at a JS time and purge and compress on exit. TB seems much slower to load JS now. *hmmm* ~4700 messages over here ... Purge Compress are usually done on exit :-) ... but not slower than before 1.52f ... maybe your TB! is sad it's only 400 messages to handle? *grin* JS Anyone else haveing these problems? not all of them ... but as said - the template related :-( JS Until I make new templates I am useing TB 152f on windows 98se build JS a with an athlon 650 and 192mb ram. TIA tested on this machine (see sig for details, 192MByte RAM) and on a WinME w/ 256M RAM -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.52f on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Edit received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas, On Monday, May 07, 2001 11:26:09 [ +0800 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'Edit received messages': Thomas I often want to edit the subject line, because I keep getting messages Thomas from airfreight offices saying new airfreight shipment. Well, if it Thomas weren't about an airfreight shipment, why would the airfreight office Thomas send me an email anyway? (It's filtered into the airfreight folder, so Thomas I know before I open the message, even before I open the folder, that Thomas there is a message about an airfreight shipment). 10 emails with the Thomas same subject don't help: so I want to change the subject to shipper Thomas name / consignee name, and in some cases add the order number or Thomas shipment number. This is my major reason. Without arguing the merits of editing received msgs, I have a similar situation this is how I work around it. I have a tech notes folder I put tech email notes from many programs in there. For each entry I add a memo I insert a short description starting with program - problem - solution on one line. Then I add memos to folder columns sort on it so all program problems are grouped together. I'm sure you've thought of this but I thought I'd mention it anyway. Thomas Also, people tend to fullquote in the business world, and I don't want Thomas to keep all 14K of the message. So I want to cut off the garbage. Obviously I live w this part of the problem. - -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! v1.52 Beta/12/WinMe/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOvfbm/vZew4/FKBgEQIjXACfeNWCtTzEh41crHX2ob26oXvVcvEAoNJW a55aUCikHUJr8Fp6mJlP+Bew =kpMe -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Best way to upgrade versions?
Hello peeps, just wanted to know what the best way to upgrade TB versions was. I just installed 1.52 c because I did a fresh OS install and restored my mail from a backup file (.tbk)... should I do the same thing when installing a new version (i.e. backup, wipe out the bat, reinstall, restore?) Seems a bit tedious, and doesn't preserve my message list and editor color and font settings. Does TB detect another version and install overtop of it? -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Program in Linguistics University of Ottawa -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: 1.52 Message centre/Connection Centre problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jan! On Tuesday, May 08, 2001 at 1:34:02 PM you wrote: How does one access the CC? Options/Show Connection Centre/Show always - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52f Windows 95 4.0 1212 C To live at all is miracle enough. (Mervyn Peake) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOvfSrfTo1oA8g8dLEQI5mACgg7jOJHju7N2Sq4i32gEO5VA0gGkAoLoa KH+ChifAJd/3dx3pHo54wNf9 =CZsA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Best way to upgrade versions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Kiyan! On Tuesday, May 08, 2001 at 1:52:30 PM you wrote: Does TB detect another version and install overtop of it? Depends: If you use official versions only, you get an Installer, which overwrites certain files. It will leave your options etc. alone. When you decide to use betas, only the executable will be replaced by copying it to your work directory. In both cases you don't *need* to backup - but it is always a good idea regardless of which programme you update. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52f Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Silence is the virtue of fools. (Francis Bacon) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOvfTmPTo1oA8g8dLEQIHsQCgnH1YElbvEFUs1ZRKqb+OJRaNWogAmwUM RnGG4pJmts9YMwrSFaDbLaNq =oI4B -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Versions Coming Fast Furious
Monday, May 07, 2001, 10:23:48 PM, Shauna Scott wrote: DAC On Monday, May 07, 2001, 1:29:36 PM, Nick Andriash wrote: I notice the Web site already indicates TB! v1.52e as the official version available, but the What's New file only reports what is new up to v1.52c? Anyone know what's new? ;o) DAC At http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/download.html they are back to DAC offering 1.51 again. But if you download it you actually get version 1.52d (at least that's what it was 2 hours ago), while if you check the beta site, you can find the exe for version 1.52e (again, as of two hours ago). Ok, this is pissing me off, just this morning a friend of mine downloaded 1.52d (why not 1.52c I don't know) for me and has sent it to me by e-mail, and now I find out that the darn thing gets updated once again after just 2 hrs and then again. versions: c,d,e,f == what's up with these guys ? She downloaded from www.ritlabs.com I'm getting t confused, and this gets to my nerves since I'm quite busy now and I don't have time for surfing... g What in the world is going on ?! Have the RIT guys flipped ?! -- If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh wait, he already does. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Versions Coming Fast Furious
Tuesday, May 08, 2001, 9:10:04 PM, Silviu wrote: SC What in the world is going on ?! Have the RIT guys flipped ?! Doubtful, but a lot of users have probably flipped. g From 1.51 to 1.52 is a **minor** version change. For most users, there is simply no justification in downloading it and installing it -- unless you want to be constantly on the buggy, cutting edge of development. I will probably wait myself for at least version 1.6 -- and even that wouldn't have a version number that would *make* me download it. ^_^ Software construction is a trial and error process. Many, many builds are created. The RIT people are apparently putting them all on the FTP site, which is certainly okay, but most people have no business downloading them, IMHO. And when there is a letter designation at the end of a minor version number, you need an *especially* good reason to install it. You get a stable build, you stick with it until a version comes out that has some improvement you just can't live without. Even then, smart users let the cutting edge people find the inevitable bugs before installing. Installing every version you find on the FTP site is simply madness, AFAIC. From 1.51 to 1.52 is not going to improve your sex life. Pretty sure about that. And 1.52x to 1.52y is not likely help much either. -- Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Best way to upgrade versions?
Tuesday, May 08, 2001, 3:08:07 PM, Dierk Haasis wrote: Hello Kiyan! On Tuesday, May 08, 2001 at 1:52:30 PM you wrote: Does TB detect another version and install overtop of it? Depends: If you use official versions only, you get an Installer, which overwrites certain files. It will leave your options etc. alone. Ok, this confuses me. You say that if I have a licensed 1.49 version (be it Personal), and I get the (say) 1.52c file from the site and install it... when I will execute the new version it will display *unregistered* in Help-About ? But will the 1.49 Personal serial be accepted by 1.52c ? -- If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh wait, he already does. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Best way to upgrade versions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 8 May 2001 15:37:21 +0300, Silviu graced us with these comments: SC Ok, this confuses me. SC You say that if I have a licensed 1.49 version (be it Personal), SC and I get the (say) 1.52c file from the site and install it... SC when I will execute the new version it will display SC *unregistered* in Help-About ? But will the 1.49 Personal SC serial be accepted by 1.52c ? Yes, it will be. :=) ©Allie - -- A. Curtis Martin List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) Using SecureBat! v1.52 Beta/12/iKey1000 Win2k (SP1) - 'I'm a nobody, nobody is perfect, therefore I'm perfect.' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 05) Comment: KeyID: 0x57C9EB602B0717E2 (Sealed for security). iQA/AwUBOvfqklfJ62ArBxfiEQIKbwCgoFFFOUtMkAndsZ/N1lEV5KcTOUAAnRsx fD2VNiOLUSgjnePNuwKYx7+T =jTrt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Best way to upgrade versions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Silviu, On 08 May 2001 at 15:37:21 +0300 (which was 13:37 where I live) Silviu Cojocaru wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: Depends: If you use official versions only, you get an Installer, which overwrites certain files. It will leave your options etc. alone. SC Ok, this confuses me. SC You say that if I have a licensed 1.49 version (be it Personal), SC and I get the (say) 1.52c file from the site and install it... ... well, copy it in-situ over your current executable. SC when I will execute the new version it will display SC *unregistered* in Help-About ? No, it shouldn't, since the registration information is kept in the Registry and will apply to all installations... unless the 1.49 was also unregistered ;-). SC But will the 1.49 Personal serial be accepted by 1.52c ? Yes. This may not hold for the long-awaited (and almost mythical) V2, which is penned in as a purchasable upgrade - very likely with concessions for more recent purchasers. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.52 Beta/12/iKey1000 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt (build 05) Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOvfrbDnkJKuSnc2gEQK8WwCgngfOMaWc4lWrdHTytCdqXlSgp4IAoL6E TQnnuidKAcX0p8flfHeqi9mf =9aZp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Versions Coming Fast Furious
Hello Yuki, On Tue, 8 May 2001 21:27:23 +0900 GMT (08/05/2001, 20:27 +0800 GMT), Yuki Taga wrote: YT From 1.51 to 1.52 is a **minor** version change. I think the Connection Center is a major change. YT For most users, there is simply no justification in downloading it YT and installing it -- unless you want to be constantly on the YT buggy, cutting edge of development. This is generally true. But how about new users who download for the first time from the official page and get a buggy new features version? Shouldn't all 1.52 a...f...z versions be on the beta page only for now? YT Software construction is a trial and error process. If that were true, software engineering would be in deep trouble. No, it is not trial and error. An engineering-style approach to software development prevents this. YT From 1.51 to 1.52 is not going to improve your sex life. Pretty sure about YT that. You are right. How did you know that? YT And 1.52x to 1.52y is not likely help much either. Really? In that case, what is the improvement? ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. -There is no gravity. The Earth sucks. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.52e under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Versions Coming Fast Furious
On Monday, May 07, 2001, 3:31:36 PM, Jan Rifkinson wrote: Nick We must be looking at two different pages, because when I Nick access that URL I see v1.52e being offered? Anyone else see Nick v1.51 as Dwight does? Maybe Dwight didn't refresh the page. this is a pretty old thread by now I suppose, but yes, I did refresh my browser. I went back again this morning, refreshed and still got the old page. Only by deleting all my temporary internet files and then visiting did I get the new page (which is now F). I don't think MSIE is supposed to behave that way. It was my impression refreshing was supposed to get the new page. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.52c on Windows 98 version 4,90 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Best way to upgrade versions?
From: Marck D. Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:49 PM Yes. This may not hold for the long-awaited (and almost mythical) V2, which is penned in as a purchasable upgrade - very likely with concessions for more recent purchasers. The question is - how recent does the purchaser have to be? venleg helsing... - Jakob Breivik Grimstveit, [EMAIL PROTECTED], www.grimstveit.net - Morvikbotn 341, 5121 Ulset, tlf: 55195667, mob: 98833857 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Versions Coming Fast Furious
Hello Dwight, On Tue, 8 May 2001 08:49:11 -0500 GMT (08/05/2001, 21:49 +0800 GMT), Dwight A Corrin wrote: DAC this is a pretty old thread by now I suppose, but yes, I did refresh DAC my browser. I went back again this morning, refreshed and still got DAC the old page. Only by deleting all my temporary internet files and DAC then visiting did I get the new page (which is now F). I don't think DAC MSIE is supposed to behave that way. It was my impression refreshing DAC was supposed to get the new page. I think you have to hold the shift key or crtl key or something while clicking on the Refresh button to get a real refresh. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. At a Budapest zoo: Please do not feed the animals. If you have any suitable food, give it to the guard on duty. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.52e under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Best way to upgrade versions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jakob, On 08 May 2001 at 15:58:19 +0200 (which was 14:58 where I live) Jakob Breivik Grimstveit wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: Yes. This may not hold for the long-awaited (and almost mythical) V2, which is penned in as a purchasable upgrade - very likely with concessions for more recent purchasers. JBG The question is - how recent does the purchaser have to be? I have no idea. Until v2 is more than just a theory, there is no answer to that question. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.52 Beta/12/iKey1000 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt (build 05) Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOvf+TTnkJKuSnc2gEQJHpgCePNmNSKMnaJITVZ65TnivdaWF0VwAoOPF SrHIlkNMEATVsli/973cNUwA =PIAi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Versions Coming Fast Furious
Tuesday, May 08, 2001, 4:49:11 PM, Dwight A Corrin wrote: this is a pretty old thread by now I suppose, but yes, I did refresh my browser. I went back again this morning, refreshed and still got the old page. Only by deleting all my temporary internet files and then visiting did I get the new page (which is now F). I don't think MSIE is supposed to behave that way. It was my impression refreshing was supposed to get the new page. Microsoft works in misterious ways :) So does Windoze Exploder :) -- If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh wait, he already does. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Birthday reminder
Hello Marek, Tuesday, May 08, 2001, 12:23:23 AM, you wrote: MM Hello all, MM Monday, May 07, 2001, Pete P wrote: Okay, I give up... where's the birthday reminder? MM Display reminder is displayed, if one (or more) cantacts have same date MM stored in Birthday field in Personal tab with actual date in computer. MM This reminder is displayed once in that day only. Thanks a lot... although I probably won't ever use the feature :-) -- Best regards, Pete Using The Bat! v1.52 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Auto-Format
Hello TBUDL! I wonder if there's any way to turn auto-format automatically off when mailing/replying to a certain message-list? It seems that I *never* remember to press shift+ctrl+F until I hit Enter for the first time... -- Best regards, Pete Using The Bat! v1.52e _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Filters don't work
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, May 08, 2001 at 10:33 (my local time), Peter Palmreuther presented us with these thoughts about Filters don't work: PP ... btw: you can (surely only if you want to!!!) re-configure your ICQ PP to not using the same hotkeys/shortcuts as your TB! I tend to use an PP additional Alt-Key to the existing shortcuts for ICQ :-) Simply go PP ICQ / Preferences / Contact List - Tab Shortcuts Hi Peter, thanks for the tip! I don't need the ICQ shortcuts at all. :-) Cheers Peter - -- PGP-Key: http://www.meynsweb.com/public-key.txt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: PGP-signed for better authentication! Key-ID: 0xE10774CE iQA/AwUBOvgBHAM2UgbhB3TOEQLDUACgrxDFzBh5Vz93Z+64YpmntNXaxh8AoKWm 89inixlWsUK6sqJo1gKy9Mt9 =urme -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Broken .tbk file
How can I get my messages from a (apparently) broken .tbk file? -- If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh wait, he already does. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Losing VCF association
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello TBUDL Members! Two times I asked why VCF files regularly lose their icon. Well, it happened again. The solution for me: I delete the VCF association part in the registry, start TB! anew, get asked if I want VCF associated with TB!, answer yes and, voila, everything is back to normal. This happens always (for some versions now) if I use the official installer; I never encountered this problem with the beta cycle. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52f Windows 95 4.0 1212 C It's never too late to start all over again. (John Kay) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOvgLNfTo1oA8g8dLEQLISQCfdOpBJVqo0m66g0Zlps0gA9WAzYAAoJ7p LHp04yw+bm0+sifnRi/M3oRe =LCzk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Best way to upgrade versions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello A! On Tuesday, May 08, 2001 at 2:46:09 PM you wrote: SC when I will execute the new version it will display SC *unregistered* in Help-About ? No, the registration will be left alone (that's what I meant, everything you changed, will be kept). SC But will the 1.49 Personal serial be accepted by 1.52c ? Yes, it will be. :=) - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52f Windows 95 4.0 1212 C All for the Love of a Woman. (William Bell) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOvgOhPTo1oA8g8dLEQLNtwCeMuxmfIYyUCpmNZEWnxlfgVkk9QkAoJjw 341AT01yV5/K1nxdHJGKIIJw =O1so -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Versions Coming Fast Furious
Hello!
As an answer for Your letter, I would like to write:
Doubtful, but a lot of users have probably flipped. g
Just curious: what does 'g' mean?
probably wait myself for at least version 1.6 -- and even that wouldn't
have a version number that would *make* me download it. ^_^
I can live with minor bugs. I download every version available, and I
can remember only once I was furious about bug. Folder purging deleleted
my every email in every mailbox :( That was a disaster!
Software construction is a trial and error process.
There is nothing like finished program, so You want us think, that every
program is a trial verion? Cute! ;)))
You get a stable build, you stick with it until a version comes out that
has some improvement you just can't live without.
Well I can live without CC, but it's quite handy. It only looks bad. :(
Installing every version you find on the FTP site is simply madness, AFAIC.
Why? Driving while beeing drunk is a madness. Using Outlook Express is
an insanity. But downloading every version on program XXX means, that
You like it.
From 1.51 to 1.52 is not going to improve your sex life.
B!!! They lied to me! ;P
And 1.52x to 1.52y is not likely help much either.
BTW: I think, that the letter a-z is a bugfix. I just couldn't
understand, why RIT didn't do any patch program. So I've checked
differences between 1.52c and 1.52e. Exe length is equal, so it's highly
posible, that only some value passed to some object was changed. I was
wrong! The Bat! weights about 3.7 mb, and 1.5 mb changed, co patch would
be not very lighter.
And thats why I download every single version.
Best Regards
IronHand
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Deleting message.html
Hey baters, I seem to recall discussions on deleting the html part of an incoming message (message.html) and leaving the rest of it intact. I can do this manually, but can't seem to figure out how to do it in the filters. I did try to find it in the archive, but had little luck. I subscribe to a couple of lists that the users insist on sending the messages in html... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! eMail v1.51 Windows NT 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 1) Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food? -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: 1.52 Message centre/Connection Centre problems
JL Hello John, JL Monday, May 07, 2001, 10:36:13 AM, you wrote: I was quite happy with the old progress bar and now it has been replaced by something hideously ugly JL In my opinion the CC is a significant improvement to TB. I found the JL old progress bar to be next to useless. If you resize the entire CC so JL that you can see all columns in the upper window and scroll down to JL the log in the lower window, you've got a superb option for control of JL your doings when sending and receiving mails - IMO! The progress bar gave me nearly all the information I wanted - its only problem was that mail retrieval for multiple accounts layered progress bars on top of each other so that you couldn't see what was going on for each account. The connection centre addresses this issue but now it gives far more information than I need and is just too intrusive. I'd prefer a single small progress bar and an option to check accounts successively rather than simultaneously but that's just IMO! :) John -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Versions Coming Fast Furious
Tuesday, May 08, 2001, 7:34:28 PM, IronHand wrote: Hello! As an answer for Your letter, I would like to write: Just curious: what does 'g' mean? Grin like this: ;) I can live with minor bugs. I download every version available, and I can remember only once I was furious about bug. Folder purging deleleted my every email in every mailbox :( That was a disaster! Yeah! There is nothing like finished program, so You want us think, that every program is a trial verion? Cute! ;))) He is kinda right though, every program that's shipped out has minor or major bugs that lurk in the dark just waiting to bite, the only diff is that the shipped out program contains much lesser bugs then betas. Why? Driving while beeing drunk is a madness. Using Outlook Express is an insanity. But downloading every version on program XXX means, that You like it. True, and that you'd like to get your hand on the latest features/fixes. From 1.51 to 1.52 is not going to improve your sex life. B!!! They lied to me! ;P LOL! And 1.52x to 1.52y is not likely help much either. BTW: I think, that the letter a-z is a bugfix. I just couldn't understand, why RIT didn't do any patch program. So I've checked differences between 1.52c and 1.52e. Exe length is equal, so it's highly posible, that only some value passed to some object was changed. I was wrong! The Bat! weights about 3.7 mb, and 1.5 mb changed, co patch would be not very lighter. And thats why I download every single version. Hmm... the problem of a little patch app was debated here, in fact I think I started it :) hmm lemme se 1/3 dl time, that would mean for me 5 mins instead of 15, I _can_ se an obvious advantage. Then again, at least at this point Open Source is very similar with the M$ world. Open S. programmers do not build patches, they just make them available for program sources and the users can rebuild the programs themselves... -- If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh wait, he already does. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Broken .tbk file
Tuesday, May 08, 2001, 7:13:40 PM, Silviu Cojocaru wrote: How can I get my messages from a (apparently) broken .tbk file? I hate replying to my own posts but guys forget about this one, the files were OK, I was an idiot :) -- If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh wait, he already does. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Deleting message.html
Tuesday, May 08, 2001, 7:51:52 PM, Tim Musson wrote: Hey baters, I seem to recall discussions on deleting the html part of an incoming message (message.html) and leaving the rest of it intact. I can do this manually, but can't seem to figure out how to do it in the filters. I did try to find it in the archive, but had little luck. I subscribe to a couple of lists that the users insist on sending the messages in html... I remember the discussion, I don't remember the solution, I think processing by an external program was required in order to achieve what you seek. As a general pointer, I would suggest to send all those HTMLs to the garbage bin and never look back. People that refuse to understand that HTML has no place in the mailbox do not deserve our attention. Under Linux that wouldn't even touch my disk, they would go directly to /dev/null which is equivalent with /NUL under DOS IIRC... I only allow a HTML newsletter, and another person that due to some environment constraint cannot change the setting of the e-mail client (badly configured NT, go figure). -- If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh wait, he already does. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Versions Coming Fast Furious
At Tuesday, May 08, 2001 on 4:05:45 PM, Thomas wrote: T I think you have to hold the shift key or crtl key or something while T clicking on the Refresh button to get a real refresh. I know that in Opera for full refresh you must to press Shift and then refresh button on toolbar. In IE also. But, best choice is to go on RIT Labs FTP and trough FTP client look for new version of archive. -- Urke from Serbia mailer: The Bat! v1.52 OpSys: Windows 98 4.10 Build A System: Cyrix 200+ 16MB EDO _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Deleting message.html
At Tuesday, May 08, 2001 on 6:51:52 PM, Tim Musson wrote: TM I seem to recall discussions on deleting the html part of an incoming TM message (message.html) and leaving the rest of it intact. I can do TM this manually, but can't seem to figure out how to do it in the TM filters. I did try to find it in the archive, but had little luck. I know one way to do this, but, by this way maybe be striped and other attachments like is a VCF or some other. Because of that, I get to auto-save attachments to some directory, and note in new maked message what is a list of attachments. So, follow this steps: 1) Create new directory for striped attachments some on HDD, like is 'striped', or some other, 2) Create new filter for account in Incoming mail group, with name 'strip HTML`, or some other that you wont, 3) For source box select Inbox, and for 'move messages to folder' select what you wont (is no matter where you put this message with HTML, because we well generate new), 4) In 'Filtering strings' enter Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary , for strings, and select Kludges for location., Presence is Yes. 5) Now select 'Actions' tab and check 'Mark the message read', and 'Send Auto-Reply', then click on right button to make new template for Auto-Reply, 6) In Template enter this: - start of Template - Original message posted from: %OFROMADDR Date of post: %ODATE at %OTIMELONG Attachment: %OATTACHMENTS From original message is striped HTML: [ start of post ]- %TEXT --[ end of post ]- - start of Template - 7) Click on OK and then check 'Extract attached files to the specified direcotry', and in textbox enter or browse for directory created in first step. 8) For safe, select first option 'Increment the file name if a file already exist'. 9) Go to 'Options' tab and select 'Immediately' for Send generated messages. 10) On tab 'Advanced' check option 'Message has attachments'. 11) Now close Sorting Office dialog, go to main Options and Network and Administration and check option 'Allow local delivery'. Click on OK and restart TB. What happens in future - when you get message with attachment that is have for content-type multipart/mixed, al attachments well be saved to defined directory, generated new message with all text content and specify list of attachments. If you get some important attach, you well have saved file to HDD, but, if is only HTML (message.html) she well be on HDD to, but no more in message. This is situation for global accounts. But, if this well be used only for folder that you using for mailing lists, you may jump over step 1, delete third line from Template in step 6 and jump over step 7 and 8 :) -- Urke from Serbia mailer: The Bat! v1.52 OpSys: Windows 98 4.10 Build A System: Cyrix 200+ 16MB EDO _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Versions Coming Fast Furious
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Urke! On Tuesday, May 08, 2001 at 4:39:15 PM you wrote: I know that in Opera for full refresh you must to press Shift and then refresh button on toolbar. Or you clean the cache automatically at shutdown. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52f Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Second Marriage: Another instance of the triumph of hope over experience. (Samuel Johnson) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOvg7VvTo1oA8g8dLEQJjJACfXoziH9qPC0nkDeoisHdApcxCFx0AoIi6 +1Svo3kOEB7hTr8HS6Zsgrlj =TDjb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Versions Coming Fast Furious
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Nick! On Tuesday, May 08, 2001 at 9:11:45 PM you wrote: TBBETA Members were supposed to wait for official announcements, but I haven't seen an Official announcement come through in months... RITLabs must not be using that Mailing List anymore. Well, for the betas there were official announcements on list for all of the 1.52's. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52f Windows 95 4.0 1212 C First Rule for Corners: Slow In, Fast Out -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOvg77PTo1oA8g8dLEQJ27ACg9FGzwrTCdlG4B1CMBvj4xj5AX8kAnj2W 0xW1MvJJ/eTA66hKUOW7hlhr =emuF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Versions Coming Fast Furious
Hello!
As an answer for Your letter, I would like to write:
There is nothing like finished program, so You want us think, that every
program is a trial verion? Cute! ;)))
He is kinda right though, every program that's shipped out has
minor or major bugs that lurk in the dark just waiting to bite,
the only diff is that the shipped out program contains much
lesser bugs then betas.
But tirl is something _really_ different, that's what i meant. I know,
that bugs are always ard everywhere...
BTW: I think, that the letter a-z is a bugfix. I just couldn't
understand, why RIT didn't do any patch program. So I've checked
differences between 1.52c and 1.52e. Exe length is equal, so it's highly
posible, that only some value passed to some object was changed. I was
wrong! The Bat! weights about 3.7 mb, and 1.5 mb changed, co patch would
be not very lighter.
And thats why I download every single version.
Hmm... the problem of a little patch app was debated here, in
fact I think I started it :)
hmm lemme se 1/3 dl time, that would mean for me 5 mins instead
of 15, I _can_ se an obvious advantage.
Well I'll try to make 1.52d-f patch and see what is the weight save,
ok? I know, that that's a _big_ difference, but can't You use some
mirror? I live in POland and using Unofficial Polish The Bat site.
(http://thebat.kappa.com.pl)
Then again, at least at this point Open Source is very similar
with the M$ world. Open S. programmers do not build patches,
they just make them available for program sources and the users
can rebuild the programs themselves...
Well, I don't understand what You mean. The Bat! is not OS. I'm a little
confused...
Best Regards
IronHand
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Re[2]: 1.52 Message centre/Connection Centre problems
Jannik, Tuesday, May 08, 2001, 8:48:49 AM, you wrote: JL In my opinion the CC is a significant improvement to TB. I found the JL old progress bar to be next to useless. I would have to agree on this. Because I manage a large number of administrative accounts for a couple of maildomains, I have more than 15 accounts defined. Since the mailchecks for these occur virtually simultaneously (didn't feel like spreading the time-intervals), TB! would previously completely clutter my taskbar with progress windows making it impossible to click other windows for as long as this lasted. Now the process of retrieving mail is much cleaner for me, no more cluttering and that makes it all much more comfortable. -- Maurice ICQ: 15724776 WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Thawte Web of Trust Notary, see http://www.thawte.com/ +--+ | Schrijf je in voor / Register for EuroBiCon One! | | 22-24 June 2001 Rotterdam, The Netherlands | | Website: http://www.intbiconf.org/ | +--+ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[4]: Versions Coming Fast Furious
Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 1:34:28 AM, IronHand wrote: I Just curious: what does 'g' mean? It means 'grin'. Software construction is a trial and error process. I There is nothing like finished program, so You want us think, that every I program is a trial verion? Cute! ;))) Few programs other than the most trivial are ever finished anymore. Yes, I'm afraid that every piece of software you buy or use is essentially a beta that someone in authority has decided is good enough to call a release. Only people who don't code -- and I mean seriously code -- can possibly accept the idea that all software isn't trial and error. If not, can you please explain the term beta tester, then? g You get a stable build, you stick with it until a version comes out that has some improvement you just can't live without. I Well I can live without CC, but it's quite handy. It only looks bad. :( Installing every version you find on the FTP site is simply madness, AFAIC. I Why? Driving while beeing drunk is a madness. Using Outlook Express is I an insanity. But downloading every version on program XXX means, that I You like it. It also means you don't mind bugs, because they're going to be there. So it means you don't fear data loss, or whatever. Madness in my book, sorry. I And thats why I download every single version. You're a busy fellow. ^_^ -- Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Versions Coming Fast Furious
Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 4:11:45 AM, Nick wrote: NA Yuki, we are not talking about the FTP site... on that issue I agree with NA you... but TB! 1.52f is what is on the main Web page for people who want NA to either try or purchase the Program. Yesterday, throughout the day the NA version numbers on the Web page were changing just as fast as they were on NA the FTP site. Didn't realize that. IMHO, a minor version number with a letter suffix is hardly a confidence builder for new users. (at least not for new users who have a clue about software, anyway) Perhaps RIT ought to release fewer versions publicly, and perhaps they ought to renumber any released version to end with at least a .5 if not a .0. Or, as a last resort, they could simply tell everyone that they are beta testers. lol Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Problems with The Bat! 152f
Peter, Tuesday, May 08, 2001, 1:40:29 PM, you wrote: PP *hmmm* ~4700 messages over here ... Purge Compress are usually done PP on exit :-) ... but not slower than before 1.52f ... maybe your TB! is PP sad it's only 400 messages to handle? *grin* I'm still at 1.52c, and usually keep TB! running for days if I don't have to do something on my PC that I think would make it dangerous to leave other things open. It does take a while to purge and compress, but then again, there's over 16000 messages in my main account alone. This is on a PII 450, 128MB RAM, Win2k; MAIL-directory stored on NetWare 4.11 server (running on a PI 133/64MB), 100Mb LAN. -- Maurice ICQ: 15724776 WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Thawte Web of Trust Notary, see http://www.thawte.com/ +--+ | Schrijf je in voor / Register for EuroBiCon One! | | 22-24 June 2001 Rotterdam, The Netherlands | | Website: http://www.intbiconf.org/ | +--+ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Palm sync so slow?
Out of curiosity, what is it that makes the palmsync with TB so slow? I made a folder called palmsync, to which I copy mail I want to sync. I set it as the default account for mailto, and I set the conduit as Eudora 3.0.3 or higher. Then I sync, and it looks like it's hung forever, it takes almost 5 minutes. The weird thing is, even if I add only one message, it still takes 5 minutes. Five minutes to check that only one new message is in the folder and sync it? I tried the MS Outlook Express conduit too, same problem. Oh and here's something else. You don't need the thing to have your palm account selected as the default for mailto. You just need to edit sync.ini in your palm desktop user directory, and have: Profile=palmsync UserAccount=palmsync PostOffice=palmsync where palmsync = the account name you want to sync, in the Bat. In my experience marking it as the default for mailto URLs does absolutely nothing. I found this out when I was trying to switch what I used to have synced to my palm, to a new account that was just a container for msgs I wanted to sync. Even though I marked the new account as the default, the sync conduit kept syncing the old one... so I edited sync.ini manually. -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Program in Linguistics University of Ottawa -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Versions Coming Fast Furious
Hi Yuki, On Wed, 9 May 2001 07:03:57 +0900GMT (09/05/2001, 06:03 +0800GMT), Yuki Taga wrote: YT From 1.51 to 1.52 is a **minor** version change. T I think the Connection Center is a major change. YT If so, then it should have an appropriate version number. ACK. YT For most users, there is simply no justification in downloading it YT and installing it -- unless you want to be constantly on the YT buggy, cutting edge of development. T This is generally true. But how about new users who download for the T first time from the official page and get a buggy new features T version? YT RIT should be *especially* careful about this, ACK - and I was pretty disappointed that they posted the buggy beta version on the web site, just renamed it 1.52, and keep sending the subsequent beta versions as release veresions with a letter added to the web site. Bad style; quite damaging to their reputation, rather. YT Software construction is a trial and error process. T If that were true, software engineering would be in deep trouble. YT As a programmer, I can tell you it is indeed a trial and error process. Well, as an MSc student in Software Engineering, I hope we are talking about different degrees of trial and error in a released program here. I agree that a program is never quite finished, but that should relate to features rather than bugs. You alpha- and beta-test a program before you release it; the released version should be virtually bugfree. There will usually still be some minor bugs, but if you use a sound engineering approach - whichever life cycle you want to use, there is always the testing stage before implementation - and make heavy use of the 'reuse' concept (which admittedly is not always possible to a large degree), the bugs should be so few that a user would find them only occasionally. If the bugs are found quickly, then you have to revise your testing strategy! What we dealt with here, namely the v1.52 release series, contained a number of known major bugs, and that is just unexcusable. A bug in a release version is a programming mistake that wasn't known before the release; I hope you agree at least on this one. To sell a version that has known major bugs is beyond my comprehension. Example: I hear the bug that people could not choose their DUN connection in the Connection Center (greyed out under certain circumstances) has been fixed in v1.52f. I don't know whether it is really fixed, because the beta testers have no beta to test, and newbies will find out now. The connection is a core part of an email client, and this bug was known well before 1.52 was uploaded. What is your excuse for Rit? YT Yes, there is an engineering style approach, Is there any other professional approach to software development? Oh yeah, I forgot: trial and error. No ma'am, not for me. ;-) YT but this is not bricks and mortar; this is software. Does this mean it is OK to release a program that has known major bugs? YT From 1.51 to 1.52 is not going to improve your sex life. Pretty sure about YT that. T You are right. How did you know that? YT Womens' intuition. You are a step ahead of me then. I have no access to that resource. ;-) YT And 1.52x to 1.52y is not likely help much either. T Really? In that case, what is the improvement? ;-) YT Does the dishes now. ^_^ I *do* need it! :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.51 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Versions Coming Fast Furious
At Tuesday, May 08, 2001 on 9:30:45 PM, Dierk Haasis wrote: I know that in Opera for full refresh you must to press Shift and then refresh button on toolbar. DH Or you clean the cache automatically at shutdown. No, I *never* empty cache from Opera, but from IE to. So I suggest, go to FTP an live more success :) -- Urke from Serbia mailer: The Bat! v1.52f OpSys: Windows 98 4.10 Build A System: Cyrix 200+ 16MB EDO _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Versions Coming Fast Furious
Hello Yuki, Tuesday, May 08, 2001, 11:18:09 PM, you wrote: Hi Yuki YT they could simply tell everyone that they are beta testers. lol a bit like Micro$oft customers you mean? -- Best regards, Williammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.52e The information contained in this e-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. It is intended only for the stated addressee(s) and access to it by any other person is unauthorised. If you are not an addressee, you must not disclose, copy, circulate or in any other way use or rely on the information contained in this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error please inform me immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete it and all copies from your system. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
