Re[2]: Read only files - again

[David Elliott]

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Salutation Thomas

On 21 May 2001 at 11:41:56 +0800 (which was 04:41 where I live) Thomas
thoughtfully wrote the following

DE>> and use the command [arrtib -r *.* /s] this will sort it out for all
DE>> your files.

> attrib  (not arrtib). Typo, sure.

Yea (Dyslexia Ruls KO).

> However, you want to do an [attrib /?] first to see what you are doing.
> ;-)

Always worth doing.

PS Can this be done on Win ME ?

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Possibility to bounce back e-mail.

[Nick Bourry]

Hello TBUDL,

  I use The BAt 1.52f on Win2000 now, but before I used Linux with
  KDE. As mail client I liked Kmail very much especially for the
  option to bounce back e-mail. The sender of that e-mail recieved his
  own message back as if it couldn't be deliverd (with a mailer-deamon
  note included).
  I haven't found this option in any Windows e-mail client. The Bat
  seems to be thest for me to use with Win2000. It's safe and works
  lake a charm. The only thing I really would like to have is the
  option to bounce back e-mail.
  Just the best way to get rid spam.

  Hope anyone has an idea how I can do this with The Bat (or anything
  else).

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Re: Problems with Auto Reply

[Thomas]

Hi Allie,

On Mon, 21 May 2001 20:11:59 -0500GMT (22/05/2001, 09:11 +0800GMT),
A Curtis Martin wrote:

J>>   There is no *Forward To*, so what do I do?

ACM> In the actions section, there's a scrollbar to the right. Scroll down the
ACM> choices and you'll see an auto-reply as well as a Forward option.

We have seen this kind of question many times. I persoanlly find the
scrollbar quite obvious, but apparently, many new users don't. Do we
have any suggestions for the developers how this could be improved?

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Re: When Did This Start?

[Thomas]

Hi Karin,

On Mon, 21 May 2001 21:57:33 +0200GMT (22/05/2001, 03:57 +0800GMT),
Karin Spaink wrote:

KS> From here on in...

KS> Nope, I can type it fine without TB's editor kicking in and
KS> putting quote characters in from^Hnt.

As Marck already pointed out, it is not TB's editor but some server
along the way. The keyword From has to do with RFC headers, and some
old routers would misunderstand it if it is at the beginning of a line
(in fact, it meant "a new message begins here" in the old days).
That's why some SMTP servers will still put the ">" character in front
in order to ensure the message is send compeltely. With the new
routers nowadays, it is not necessary any more, so "From" at the
beginning of a line in the message body it is now a legacy problem,
but then.

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[Malcolm L Wiseman Jr]

Hello Tbudl,

  

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Re: When Did This Start?

[Thomas]

Hi Marck,

On Mon, 21 May 2001 22:04:26 +0100GMT (22/05/2001, 05:04 +0800GMT),
Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

JE>> Can anyone say whether IMail (from Ipswitch www.ipswitch.com) exhibits
JE>> this behaviour?

MDP> QED - it *has* to. 100% certain that TB doesn't have anything to do
MDP> with it.

But TB could "un-escape" the From, i.e. take this ">" character out
again to make the message more readable.

MDP>  GPG has an option to do it.

GPG escapes the From with dash-blank. Not ">".

MDP> TB has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Not with creating this ">", but TB could have to do with removing it.

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Re: When Did This Start?

[Thomas]

Hi Marck,

On Mon, 21 May 2001 21:25:23 +0100GMT (22/05/2001, 04:25 +0800GMT),
Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

MDP> It is not TB. It is done by routing Unix servers to avoid confusion
MDP> with the From: line which indicates the start of a message body. That
MDP> is why some see it and others (including myself) do not.

Correct. I see it at get frequently annoyed.

JE>> This is very odd behaviour - I'm thinking it's something that
JE>> needs to be fixed.

MDP> This is not possible unless TB removes such instances on receipt.

Here you hint at the fix: TB should remove it. I mean, other mail
client can, why can't TB? This has been my wish forever (Nick: yes,
it has been here forever.)

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Re: Problems with Auto Reply

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Mon, 21 May 2001 17:05:19 -0700, Jan graced us with these comments:


J>I clicked on my "ACTIONS" tab and what I have there is:
J>  Mark the message as read
J>  Flag the message (with a drop down box)
J>  Set message priority to (with a drop down box)
J>  Set the message's colour group to (with a drop down box)
J>  Park the message
J>  Delete the message
J>  Delete the message from server
J>  Print the message

J>   There is no *Forward To*, so what do I do?

In the actions section, there's a scrollbar to the right. Scroll down the
choices and you'll see an auto-reply as well as a Forward option.

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Re: When Did This Start?

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Monday, May 21, 2001, Jason Ellis wrote:

> I just confirmed this behaviour in TB v1.51. Weird. Unlike Nick I am
> not using PGP (although I might be using GPG since I've never heard of
> it before and thus don't know what it is).

> It appears to so this upon sending the message, as it doesn't insert
> it when I'm typing it, but by the time I receive it it has the > in
> there (and it's not inserting it on receive because I checked my test
> message direct through my server's web messaging interface and it
already had the >> in the message.)

> This is very odd behaviour - I'm thinking it's something that needs to
> be fixed.

> Jason


>> All of a sudden I now see that TB! amends any line starting with "from" by
putting a >>> in front of it. I've never noticed that before, and so now I
>> have to use the dash-escape feature of both PGP and GPG to dash-escape
>> that line. This is what I mean:

>>>From here on in... This line should have > in front of it now.

>> Has this always been the case with TB? Perhaps I've never typed any
>> sentences beginning with "From"? ;o)


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Re: When Did This Start?

[Nick Andriash]

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On May 21, 2001, at 12:41:16 PM, Nick Andriash wrote:

> All of a sudden I now see that TB! amends any line starting with "from"
> by putting a > in front of it.

It turns out that in my case, it is the GMX Servers that are the culprit,
because I only just started using that address the other day. Prior to
that, with both @Home and OperaMail, I never saw the prefixing of "from"
with the ">" symbol.

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Re: Auto Reply

[Jan]

Hello TBUDL,

  Hello All again!

  I did not read the May 16th thread all the way through -
  dumb me!

  Curtis Martin explained to Robert:
> That actions section in the filter rule configuration panel
> has a scroll bar to the right. Many don't see it. :-)
> If you scroll, you'll see that there are many other filter
> actions available.

  Guess what?  I didn't see the scroll bar!

  Sorry for any inconvenience, and if I need more help I know
  where to come.

  Thanks

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Re: Problems with Auto Reply

[Jan]

Hello TBUDL,

  I'm trying to set up Auto Reply to some messages but am
  having difficulty.

  I have gone back through the archives and found a thread
  about this on Wed, 16 May 2001 however it does not solve my
  problem.

  In a reply to Robert on that date, Angel went through all the
  steps to set up an auto reply. I was following along until I
  came to:
  ANGEL> Click on the "ACTIONS" tab, and scroll down until you see
   >"Forward To". Tik the box next to that option, then type in the
   > address you wish to forward it to.

   I clicked on my "ACTIONS" tab and what I have there is:
 Mark the message as read
 Flag the message (with a drop down box)
 Set message priority to (with a drop down box)
 Set the message's colour group to (with a drop down box)
 Park the message
 Delete the message
 Delete the message from server
 Print the message

  There is no *Forward To*, so what do I do?
 

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Re: When Did This Start?

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Nick,

On 21 May 2001 at  15:56:44 -0700 (which was 23:56 where I  live) Nick
Andriash wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:

>> QED - it *has* to. 100% certain that TB doesn't have anything to do
>> with it. GPG has an option to do it. TB has nothing whatsoever to
>> do with it.

NA> Actually Marck, what GnuPG has an option to do, and which PGP
NA> defaults to, is dash-escaping lines that start with "From"... like
NA> the following:

Ah yes - quite right. That's the one. I remembered that it had the
option to "interfere" somehow, just not quite in what way :-). Thanks
for clarifying that for me.

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Re[2]: Undo strangeness and Access Violations in 1.52f

[Michael David]

Hi Peter!

AH-HA!  As  a  quick  way  to  get [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the TO:
field,  I  just  replied to a random message, and replaced the subject
and  body of the message.

I  didn't  realize  that TB sent a "In-Repy-To"field, and now that you
have  pointed  it out, I have started playing with the threaded view -
and it's very cool!

So, thanks for pointing that out! I'll not do that again. :)

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Monday, May 21, 2001, 5:45:34 AM, you wrote:

> Hello Michael,

> On Monday, May 21, 2001 at 9:03:21 AM you wrote:

MD>> Nope  -  it happens when I am doing nothing.

> In that case you SHOULD NOT reply to a message with the subject

> Re[2]:  Website 'mailto' problem

> because your e-mail client

> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.52f) Personal

> sends "In-Reply-To" header and this way your message gets sorted wrong
> in my (and many others) inbox, because WE are in threading mode by
> REFERENCE.
> I think this is what Thomas tried so tell "through the flowers" ;-)

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Re: When Did This Start?

[Nick Andriash]

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On May 21, 2001, at 2:04:26 PM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

> QED - it *has* to. 100% certain that TB doesn't have anything to do with
> it. GPG has an option to do it. TB has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Actually Marck, what GnuPG has an option to do, and which PGP defaults to,
is dash-escaping lines that start with "From"... like the following:

- From now should have been dash-escaped by GnuPG.

By dash-escaping lines like that, they prevent the Servers from amending
them with what we know as the quote character.

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Re[4]: Finding and recovering lost messages; all in a range of dates have diappeared from InBox.

[David Robert Austen]

Thank you.

yes, this is a tap on the shoulder to clean up and clean out my hard
disk.

thank you, all.

David


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Ai> Hi David Robert Austen,

Ai>   On the Saturday, May 19, 2001, U wrote:

DRA>> Yes, there have been problems elsewhere on the system, including a
DRA>> fairly full HD and more lock-ups than usual.

Ai> Well this might 'cause all you have stated... The Bat is updating
Ai> files every time you get new message so it might be the reason for
Ai> data corruption...

DRA>> I have seen Bat Messages asking me if I wish to "repair."  I have
DRA>> always replied "Yes" and the repair has occurred without problem in
DRA>> every case.

Ai> Probably those messages got corrupted and The Bat deleted them so they
Ai> do destroy more of database...

DRA>> I've not lost any other data from other programs.

Ai> You might think so... Almost every time I get in trouble with low
Ai> drive space I got my registry waked... Its just an accident waiting to
Ai> get you... Especially if you don't have fixed swap file...

Ai> But those are only my experiences with W95 OSR2... Might not happen in
Ai> later versions of Winblows...


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Re: When Did This Start?

[Nick Bourry]

Hello Nick,

Monday, May 21, 2001, 9:41:16 PM, you wrote:

NA> All of a sudden I now see that TB! amends any line starting with "from" by
putting a >> in front of it. I've never noticed that before, and so now I
NA> have to use the dash-escape feature of both PGP and GPG to dash-escape
NA> that line. This is what I mean:

>>From here on in... This line should have > in front of it now.

NA> Has this always been the case with TB? Perhaps I've never typed any
NA> sentences beginning with "From"? ;o)


Same problem here. I'm using 1.52f. Although I recently never started with From. But 
out of
curiosity i tried it.

From. Just starting with from. ;-)

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Re: When Did This Start?

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Jason,

On 21 May 2001 at  16:37:19 -0400 (which was 21:37 where I  live)
Jason Ellis wrote to Marck D. Pearlstone and made these points:

JE> Can anyone say whether IMail (from Ipswitch www.ipswitch.com) exhibits
JE> this behaviour?

QED - it *has* to. 100% certain that TB doesn't have anything to do
with it. GPG has an option to do it. TB has nothing whatsoever to do
with it.

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Re: When Did This Start?

[Karin Spaink]

On 21-05-2001 at 22:03, Jason Ellis kindly wrote:
> Hello Karin,

>> 
>>>From here on in...
>> Nope, I can type it fine without TB's editor kicking in and
>> putting quote characters in from^Hnt.

> But actually, it is doing it. When I tested, the editor did not kick
> in - it never actually showed up in my editor screen. But once I sent
> the message, *then* it had it (and in fact so does yours).

Nope, not in mine. Neither in my Outbox, my Sent box *nor*
on TB as I received it. I checked. And double-checked.

This is weird. Couldf it be that TB 1.51 *sees* it
differently? [I use TB 1.52]


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Re[2]: When Did This Start?

[Joan Josep]

Hello Jason,



 On Mon, 21 May 2001, at 15:49:49 [GMT -0400] (which was 21/05/2001 (D/M/Y) 21:49 
where I live) you wrote:

>> All of a sudden I now see that TB! amends any line starting with "from" by
putting a >>> in front of it. I've never noticed that before, and so now I
>> have to use the dash-escape feature of both PGP and GPG to dash-escape
>> that line. This is what I mean:

>>>From here on in... This line should have > in front of it now.

>> Has this always been the case with TB? Perhaps I've never typed any
>> sentences beginning with "From"? ;o)

Let  me insist. When I receive Jason's mail, "From" has received a >
sign  in your system, so the line has 3 >, while the remainder lines
have just 2 >.

But  my  system  adds  no  additional  >.  Not  in my former message
(quoting  Nick)nor  in  the  quoted message (quoting Jason). I guess
that  the  additional  sign  is  added  at  reception time, not when
sending.


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Re[2]: When Did This Start?

[Jason Ellis]

JE>> I just confirmed this behaviour in TB v1.51.

> It is not TB. It is done by routing Unix servers to avoid confusion
> with the From: line which indicates the start of a message body. That
> is why some see it and others (including myself) do not.

That's interesting, except we're not running Unix servers, we're
running NT (and I'm sending from myself to myself so it's not touching
anything except our own servers).

Can anyone say whether IMail (from Ipswitch www.ipswitch.com) exhibits
this behaviour?


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Re: When Did This Start?

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Jason,

On 21 May 2001 at  15:49:49 -0400 (which was 20:49 where I  live)
Jason Ellis wrote to Nick Andriash and made these points:

JE> I just confirmed this behaviour in TB v1.51.

It is not TB. It is done by routing Unix servers to avoid confusion
with the From: line which indicates the start of a message body. That
is why some see it and others (including myself) do not.

JE> This is very odd behaviour - I'm thinking it's something that
JE> needs to be fixed.

This is not possible unless TB removes such instances on receipt.

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Re: When Did This Start?

[Nick Andriash]

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On May 21, 2001, at 1:10:30 PM, Lars Geiger wrote:

> I remember that this was discussed before, and the conclusion was that
> this happened on the way. There are some servers that add > when a line
> starts with 'from' to make sure it's not mistaken for the beginning of a
> new message. This is also the reason why it happens only to some of us
> (see Joan's and Jason's messages).

Oh, alright then. In the GnuPG Manual, it states that some "MUA's" insert
the character, and did not specifically mention it might be a Server that
does it.

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Re[3]: When Did This Start?

[Joan Josep]

Hello Jason,



 On Mon, 21 May 2001, at 16:03:15 [GMT -0400] (which was 21/05/2001 (D/M/Y) 22:03 
where I live) you wrote:

JE> So TB is inserting this at send, but it
JE> is not inserting it as you type.

No, unless TB! is smart enough to delete it in my comp.

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Re: When Did This Start?

[Nick Andriash]

On May 21, 2001, at 12:57:33 PM, Karin Spaink wrote:

> Nope, I can type it fine without TB's editor kicking in and putting
> quote characters in from^Hnt.

No, the character isn't inserted by the Editor as you are typing, but is
inserted after you have Sent the message.

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Re: When Did This Start?

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Nick,
On Mon, 21 May 2001, at 12:41:16 -0700 you wrote:

NA> All of a sudden I now see that TB! amends any line starting
NA> with "from" by putting a > in front of it. I've never noticed
NA> that before, and so now I have to use the dash-escape feature
NA> of both PGP and GPG to dash-escape that line. This is what I
NA> mean:

>>From here on in... This line should have > in front of it now.

It had for me, but not for others, I guess.

NA> Has this always been the case with TB? Perhaps I've never
NA> typed any sentences beginning with "From"? ;o)

I remember that this was discussed before, and the conclusion was
that this happened on the way. There are some servers that add >
when a line starts with 'from' to make sure it's not mistaken for
the beginning of a new message. This is also the reason why it
happens only to some of us (see Joan's and Jason's messages).

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Re[2]: When Did This Start?

[Jason Ellis]

Hello Karin,

> 

>>From here on in...

> Nope, I can type it fine without TB's editor kicking in and
> putting quote characters in from^Hnt.

But actually, it is doing it. When I tested, the editor did not kick
in - it never actually showed up in my editor screen. But once I sent
the message, *then* it had it (and in fact so does yours). You might
think that it is inserting it on receive, but it isn't, because I
checked the message on the server itself (before TB downloaded it) and
the bracket was there already. So TB is inserting this at send, but it
is not inserting it as you type.

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Re: Filter quotation

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Alberto,
On Mon, 21 May 2001, at 10:41:55 +0200 you wrote:

AA> For example: I set a filter to forward beta announcement
AA> frome TBBETA to the italian mailing list. It looks so:

AA> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AA> Subject:Beta
AA> Recipient:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

AA> But in this way I have some replay from Stefan forwarded to
AA> my list.

I suggest you filter on unique content in Stefan's announcement
e-mails, for example you could add

String: http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/beta/
Location:   Text
Presence:   Yes

to the conditions you named above.

This way the filter will only be triggered by messages from
Stefan with a link to the beta directory on the FTP. That should
work (I guess :-).

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Re: When Did This Start?

[Karin Spaink]

On 21-05-2001 at 21:41, Nick Andriash kindly wrote:

> All of a sudden I now see that TB! amends any line starting with "from" by
> putting a > in front of it. I've never noticed that before, and so now I
> have to use the dash-escape feature of both PGP and GPG to dash-escape
> that line. This is what I mean:

> From here on in... This line should have > in front of it now.

It doesn't ;-)



>From here on in...

Nope, I can type it fine without TB's editor kicking in and
putting quote characters in from^Hnt.


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Re: When Did This Start?

[Jason Ellis]

I just confirmed this behaviour in TB v1.51. Weird. Unlike Nick I am
not using PGP (although I might be using GPG since I've never heard of
it before and thus don't know what it is).

It appears to so this upon sending the message, as it doesn't insert
it when I'm typing it, but by the time I receive it it has the > in
there (and it's not inserting it on receive because I checked my test
message direct through my server's web messaging interface and it
already had the > in the message.)

This is very odd behaviour - I'm thinking it's something that needs to
be fixed.

Jason


> All of a sudden I now see that TB! amends any line starting with "from" by
putting a >> in front of it. I've never noticed that before, and so now I
> have to use the dash-escape feature of both PGP and GPG to dash-escape
> that line. This is what I mean:

>>From here on in... This line should have > in front of it now.

> Has this always been the case with TB? Perhaps I've never typed any
> sentences beginning with "From"? ;o)




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Re: When Did This Start?

[Joan Josep]

Hello Nick,



 On Mon, 21 May 2001, at 12:41:16 [GMT -0700] (which was 21/05/2001 (D/M/Y) 21:41 
where I live) you wrote:

NA> From here on in... This line should have > in front of it now.

It  hasn't in my screen. It appears only in the quotation,not in the
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Re: The Bat! and Windows 2000

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On Mon, 21 May 2001 10:39:08 -0400, Jan wrote these comments:

Allie>> I have a feeling that you don't leave your machine unbooted for
Allie>> more than a week at a time? Do you use a dialup connection. If I
Allie>> booted my machine at least every three days or so, I wouldn't have
Allie>> detected any problem with ZoneAlarm.

JR>   The last sentence in this graph confused me, Allie. Are you
JR>   saying that if one leaves their machine running un-interrupted
JR>   for a # of days [3+] that ZA will eventually cause system
JR>   problems? If so, what version?

Yes, this was my personal experience. This is why it took me so long to
pin the problem in ZoneAlarm. I was thinking that it was a Win2k related
instability and that Win2k needed a weekly reboot for the internet
connectivity to work correctly all the time. I was blaming service pack 1
when it was ZoneAlarm.

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When Did This Start?

[Nick Andriash]

All of a sudden I now see that TB! amends any line starting with "from" by
putting a > in front of it. I've never noticed that before, and so now I
have to use the dash-escape feature of both PGP and GPG to dash-escape
that line. This is what I mean:

>From here on in... This line should have > in front of it now.

Has this always been the case with TB? Perhaps I've never typed any
sentences beginning with "From"? ;o)

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Re: List of REGEX

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At Monday, May 21, 2001 on 4:33:05 PM, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

JR>   Under Help, search for 'macros'. Select 'Template macros' for
JR>   complete list of TB! macros.

But, in version 1.53 beta/8 have not Help :) but new macros come with
it :( or maybe :))

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Re: The Bat! and Windows 2000

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello A,

On Monday, May 21, 2001 at 3:23:23 PM you wrote:

PP>> using ZA Pro 2.6.88 here on W2K without any problem with TB! (If I
PP>> ignore the fact it sometimes crashes/hangs when creating new
PP>> message/replying with the %LANGUAGE-macro in template, which is surely
PP>> NOT ZA-related :-) )

ACM> I have a feeling that you don't leave your machine unbooted for more than
ACM> a week at a time?

That's quiet a bad feeling :-) The machine(s) are rebooted at a
minimum of one a day :-) Means: I switch them off every evening after
work :-) My notebook needs switched off for bringing it home and my
workstation (which actually runs W2K) does not need to stay on after
my work, so it's turned off :_)


ACM> Do you use a dialup connection. If I booted my machine
ACM> at least every three days or so, I wouldn't have detected any problem with
ACM> ZoneAlarm.

As I tried to write: I DON'T have problems with ZoneAlarm :-)
I just wanted to limit my speech of "runs without any problems",
because the problems appearing are not ZoneAlarm related but they are
present.
And the presence is either on the W2K and on the WinME machine .. but
it's a "bug" still not broken down to very special circumstances, only
known (AFAIR) is it has something to do with the %LANGUAGE-macro :-(

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Re: Filter Mystery

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On Fri, 18 May 2001 13:56:48 -0700, Nick Andriash wrote:

>I'm not sure I know what you mean when you "right-click the account that
>the rule applies to"? You have to right click the Inbox in question, and
>then make the choice to re-filter messages, remembering to choose only
>read messages. I think the dialogue in question defaults to "Incoming
>Mail".

Yes, it does. When setting up the filter, I had set 'read messages'. 

What I meant was that I right clicked the mail folder that this
author's messages were in, and chose 're-filter'. If someone could
duplicate this filter, not only might it be confirmed as a bug, but I
could find out if it's just a problem with The Bat!  and my Win2k
computer.



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Re: Filter Mystery

[hysterial]

On Fri, 18 May 2001 14:43:05 -0500, A Curtis Martin wrote:

>Did you enable the little 'manual filters only' check box in the refilter
>popup command prompt?

Yep, tried that.

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Re[2]: The Bat! and Windows 2000

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Hello Allie,

On Monday, May 21, 2001 08:23:23 [ -0500 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'The Bat! and Windows 2000':

Allie> I have a feeling that you don't leave your machine unbooted for more than
Allie> a week at a time? Do you use a dialup connection. If I booted my machine
Allie> at least every three days or so, I wouldn't have detected any problem with
Allie> ZoneAlarm.

  The last sentence in this graph confused me, Allie. Are you
  saying that if one leaves their machine running un-interrupted
  for a # of days [3+] that ZA will eventually cause system
  problems? If so, what version?

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Re[2]: List of REGEX

[Jan Rifkinson]

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Hello Urke,

On Monday, May 21, 2001 06:48:21 [ +0200 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'List of REGEX':

Urke>  I need full list of macros in TB (not regex

  Under Help, search for 'macros'. Select 'Template macros' for
  complete list of TB! macros.

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Re: Filter quotation

[Jan Rifkinson]

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Hello Alberto,

On Monday, May 21, 2001 10:41:55 [ +0200 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Filter quotation':

Alberto> Is it possible to filter a message looking for the quotation in the
Alberto> text?

  Under Filter Location, choices are:

sender
recipient
subject
text
kludges
anywhere

  Select 'text'

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Re: The Bat! and Windows 2000

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On Mon, 21 May 2001 12:35:19 +0200, Peter graced us with these comments:

PP> using ZA Pro 2.6.88 here on W2K without any problem with TB! (If I
PP> ignore the fact it sometimes crashes/hangs when creating new
PP> message/replying with the %LANGUAGE-macro in template, which is surely
PP> NOT ZA-related :-) )

I have a feeling that you don't leave your machine unbooted for more than
a week at a time? Do you use a dialup connection. If I booted my machine
at least every three days or so, I wouldn't have detected any problem with
ZoneAlarm.

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Re: Mail folders

[Silviu Cojocaru]

Monday, May 21, 2001, 8:40:30 AM, OK3 wrote:

SC>>   Is there any way to make the mail folders open *only* when a key
SC>> like "Enter" is pressed ?

> Hide message-list pane.

So I figured but how do I do that? I see nothing like that in
View or Options. Could you guide me through the process ?

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'Mailto' Problem

[William Moore]

Hello TBUDL,

  Many thanks for all your suggestions.
  I will work my way through them and hopefully resolve
  the problem.

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Re: The Bat! and Windows 2000

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Jan,

On Monday, May 21, 2001 at 4:10:34 AM you wrote:

JR>  ok, how about ZoneAlarm's latest versions?

using ZA Pro 2.6.88 here on W2K without any problem with TB!
(If I ignore the fact it sometimes crashes/hangs when creating new
message/replying with the %LANGUAGE-macro in template, which is surely
NOT ZA-related :-) )

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Re: Website 'mailto' problem

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Urban,

On Monday, May 21, 2001 at 12:34:53 AM you wrote:

U> It seems to be a browser thing, because it works for me when i tried it
U> with IE5.5, but not with Opera 5.11

With Opera 5.11 it does not work.
Try to write this one:

href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=Reply from Resins Project Website"

this way:

href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=Reply%20from%20esins%20Project%20Website";

MAYBE it helps :-)
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Re: Undo strangeness and Access Violations in 1.52f

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Michael,

On Monday, May 21, 2001 at 9:03:21 AM you wrote:

MD> Nope  -  it happens when I am doing nothing.

In that case you SHOULD NOT reply to a message with the subject

Re[2]:  Website 'mailto' problem

because your e-mail client

X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.52f) Personal

sends "In-Reply-To" header and this way your message gets sorted wrong
in my (and many others) inbox, because WE are in threading mode by
REFERENCE.
I think this is what Thomas tried so tell "through the flowers" ;-)

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Filter quotation

[Alberto Almagioni]

Is it possible to filter a message looking for the quotation in the
text?
I need to forward some messages form a mailing list to another mailing
list but I need to send only the original message.
For example: I set a filter to forward beta announcement frome TBBETA
to the italian mailing list. It looks so:

Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Beta
Recipient:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

But in this way I have some replay from Stefan forwarded to my list.
So I suppose the only way to avoid this is filtering if in the text
there is a quotation.
Is it possible?

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