Re: New mail / clickable link problems

2002-02-14 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello John Phillips,

On Saturday, February 09 2002 at 09:47 PM PDT, you wrote:

 When I click on a mail to link on a web page, or if I want to send
 a new e-mail in Bat! the template for the highlighted Bat! folder is
 used, and the mail to address set up in that folder's template.

If you set one Account as the default for Mailto's, then whenever you
click on a Mailto located within a Web page, the default Account level
Template will be used for the MailTo, but the address and subject
located within the Mailto will be referred to in the new message.

 The major problem with the web link is that I have no idea which
 folder is highlighted in Bat!  Of this can be seen if Bat! is open,
 but still a nuisance, IMO.

If you do as I mention above, it will not matter what Folder you are in.
The only time a Folder level Template becomes a problem is when you
click on a Mailto located within a message. In that case there is
nothing you can do about it because TB does not handle those Mailto's
correctly. Actually, it doesn't even handle Web page based Mailto's
correctly, but at least in that circumstance the Account level Template
that it uses is usually benign enough.

The answer to this ongoing dilemma is for RITLabs to resolve the problem
of new messages derived from Mailto's _having_ to use a Template. Instead,
TB should just fill in the address and subject as dictated by the Mailto
itself, and leave everything else blank. To simply suggest Users _not_
use the Folder Templates feature because it has negative implications in
those cases, only prolongs RITLabs need to address the problem.


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Re: Naive question (but not meant as flame bait)

2002-02-14 Thread Dierk Haasis

Hello MOATMAI!

On Wednesday, February 13, 2002 at 8:10:32 PM you wrote:

 The word IMAP isn't in the list, is it? I remember having bought my
 key two years ago because the developers mumbled something about an
 upcoming 2.0 release with full IMAP support.

Full IMAP is not yet in the beta. But that'S good, because otherwise
it would lead to a prolonged waiting period (which already is much
longer than before).

Since the request for full IMAP is growing, and from certain rumours,
I am quite sure the next but one version will have it.



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External find Replace

2002-02-14 Thread Gerard de Vries

Hi Bat Users,

I recently found cut.exe again which is some help in removing text from
emails, but what I would really like is a find and replace function.

I had a go at this even with regex but only managed to take 1 occurrence
out, multiples are just to difficult (for me anyway).

Does anyone know a solution?

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Re: shartkut keys / custom icons

2002-02-14 Thread Dierk Haasis

Hello Shoebuddy!

On Wednesday, February 13, 2002 at 6:14:58 PM you wrote:

 crtl+ doesn't work for me no matter where it is located

I wonder, have you tried pressing another key with Ctrl?

Let's try Ctrl+*, which expands all threads completely. Make sure
that your numerical pad is enabled.



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Re: faster way to add people to a group?

2002-02-14 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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On 14 February 2002 at 22:46:04 -0500 (which was 03:46 where I live)
Rick Reumann wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 What is the fastest way for me to add contacts to a new group?

Ctrl-Click on them then Ctrl-drag them to the group. That will add the
selected entries to the group en-masse without losing any of the
current group memberships they already have.

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Re: Nice quotes and thanks everyone

2002-02-14 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Shoebuddy,

On 14 February 2002 at 02:54:34 -0500 (which was 07:54 where I live)
Shoebuddy Jones wrote in
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Jan You can find a full explanation  all the QTs   necessary to
Jan produce that format on the TB_Beta list   under 'template
Jan problems in beta_39'.

 Where is that located please? I couldn't find it at
 http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/support.html

You can find the TBBETA list archive on
http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com

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Re[2]: faster way to add people to a group?

2002-02-14 Thread Rick Reumann

On Thursday, February 14, 2002, 4:53:35 AM, Marck wrote:


MDP Ctrl-Click on them then Ctrl-drag them to the group. That will add the
MDP selected entries to the group en-masse without losing any of the
MDP current group memberships they already have.

 Thanks Marck. The first time I tried that it didn't seem to work.
 It actually removed them all from the group I was pulling from. I
 tried again though and it seemed to work fine. Not sure what I
 did wrong the first time, but thanks.

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Re: Nice quotes and thanks everyone

2002-02-14 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hello Carsten Thönges.

At 8:43 PM on Wednesday, February 13, 2002 you wrote
the following about [Nice quotes and thanks everyone]

JR   All credit for that goes to German List  Carsten
JR   Thongs who introduced it to us.
Carsten   ^^
Carsten   Aaargl *LOL* ;-)

  So sorry, pure laziness on my part.

  I did try for the umlaut or whatever that character
  is called but couldn't make it happen using my ASCII
  characters. But then it would have been Thöngs  that
  wouldn't have been much better, would it?

  You can refer to me as Jom, Janne, Jane, Jon, John a
  couple of times to even things up. OK? :-)

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Re: Nice quotes and thanks everyone

2002-02-14 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Jan,

On Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 4:13:26 PM you wrote in
msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part):

JR JR   Thongs who introduced it to us.
Carsten   ^^
Carsten   Aaargl *LOL* ;-)

[...]
JR   characters. But then it would have been Thöngs  that
  ^^
  Thönges
   ^
But that's the price one pays for a name scooping from all possible
characters *LoL*

Ne wahr, Carsten *grins*
 ^^^
(Isn't it)

 (EOT @ !OT)  (f'up2: OT)
 :-)
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Re: EWxternal program

2002-02-14 Thread Hanspeter Schaffner

Hello Gerd,

 Do you mean cut.exe?

Do you know if it does clean subject lines from re: re: re:
[mailinglist]? ;-) you know.

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SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!

2002-02-14 Thread Stuart Brook

I've been looking for a replacement mail client for Eudora, which seems to 
have an intense dislike for nested multipart messages.

The Bat! and several others support this well ... but either they are full 
of security holes like LookOut or LookOut Fast, or cumbersome like Netscape 
and Pegasus, or not mature enough like PocoMail

I like the look of The Bat and have been trying this out, but I've hit a 
major road block.

My ISP, rogers.com, when they took over from @home, implemented an SMTP 
authenticated server, which even their tech support people don't know what 
type of authentication is actually used.

A log of an exchange with Eudora, which works quite happily, btw, produces 
the following login exchange ...

Rcvd: 220 fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com ESMTP server (InterMail 
vM.5.01.04.06 201-253-122-122-106-20020109) ready Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:04:22 
-0500\r\n
Sent: EHLO new\r\n
Rcvd: 250-fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com\r\n
Rcvd: 250-HELP\r\n
Rcvd: 250-AUTH=LOGIN PLAIN\r\n
Rcvd: 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN\r\n
Rcvd: 250-PIPELINING\r\n
Rcvd: 250-DSN\r\n
Rcvd: 250-8BITMIME\r\n
Rcvd: 250 SIZE 7168000\r\n
Sent: AUTH LOGIN\r\n
Rcvd: 334 VXNlcm5hbWU6\r\n
Sent: c2Jsnip about 20 charsjb20=\r\n
Rcvd: 334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6\r\n
Sent: dmsnip about 10 charscg==\r\n
Rcvd: 235 Authentication successful\r\n

Snipped chars appear like encrypted random chars.

Now, I've assumed this to be a CRAM MD-5 authentication.  Pegasus and Poco 
both seem to work OK in doing the authentication, but I cannot get The Bat! 
to authenticate.

I get the following in the log whether I enable MD-5 or disable it.

+2/14/2002, 11:55:01: SEND  - connected to SMTP server
*2/14/2002, 11:55:01: SEND  - WARNING: there were no compatible 
authentication mechanisms detected

This is a show stopper for me to use TheBat! since I use multiple domains.

Any ideas ?

Thanks,

Stuart


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Re: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!

2002-02-14 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Stuart,

On Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 6:27:55 PM you wrote in
msgid:5.1.0.14.2.20020214121359.009fa530@pop (at least in part):

SB My ISP, rogers.com, when they took over from @home, implemented an SMTP
SB authenticated server, which even their tech support people don't know what 
SB type of authentication is actually used.

Plain-Text LOGIN-authentication.

SB A log of an exchange with Eudora, which works quite happily, btw, produces 
SB the following login exchange ...

SB Rcvd: 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN\r\n
Seems the server supports _only_ Plain-Text authentication!
No CRAM, nor CRAM-MD5
[...]
SB Sent: AUTH LOGIN\r\n
SB Rcvd: 334 VXNlcm5hbWU6\r\n
   
This is the string Username: Base64 encoded, nothing more :-)

SB Sent: c2Jsnip about 20 charsjb20=\r\n
   ^
This is your Username sent by Eudora, Base64-encoded too.

SB Rcvd: 334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6\r\n
   
This is the string Password: Base64-encoded.

SB Sent: dmsnip about 10 charscg==\r\n
   ^^^
This is your password, and gee .. it's Base64-encoded too :-)

SB Snipped chars appear like encrypted random chars.

Hope my explanation cleared it ain't 'encrypted' :-)
Only 'encoded' :-)

SB Now, I've assumed this to be a CRAM MD-5 authentication.

No ... it _is_ plain text ...

SB but I cannot get The Bat! to authenticate.

Activate only 'Perform SMTP Authentication (RFC 2554)',
_NOT_ 'Require secure (MD5) authentication'
and it should work.

If not: could you please send a network dump as made for the 'Eudora'
communication for 'The Bat!' too, so we might see what actions
_exactly_ are taken and which not.
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Re: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!

2002-02-14 Thread Melissa Reese

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On Thursday, February 14, 2002, at 9:27:55 AM PST, Stuart Brook wrote:

 Now, I've assumed this to be a CRAM MD-5 authentication. Pegasus and
 Poco both seem to work OK in doing the authentication, but I cannot
 get The Bat! to authenticate.

 I get the following in the log whether I enable MD-5 or disable it.

 +2/14/2002, 11:55:01: SEND  - connected to SMTP server
 *2/14/2002, 11:55:01: SEND  - WARNING: there were no compatible 
 authentication mechanisms detected

 This is a show stopper for me to use TheBat! since I use multiple
 domains.

Hello Stuart,

If you assumed the authentication method to be MD5, did you try only
that? Or did you try any of the other methods available via TB! as
well?

There are a few variations on just which type can be used. Have you
gone into Eudora, Pocomail, and Pegasus to see exactly how you have it
set up in those?

Instead of just assuming, there must be some *specific* settings you
can see in the other clients that should give you an idea of what you
need.  I too use several different domains, and I've not had any
troubles with the various SMTP authentication methods.

I have now gone beyond them - using instead a local SMTP server -
ADR (Advanced Direct Remailer).  This is an SMTP server that is
resident on my machine, and I now use it for all my SMTP sending -
regardless of which domain I'm sending from.  There are several
reasons why I prefer using it, but one of the side effects is that I
don't have to use any authentication methods specified by the various
domain SMTP servers.

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Re: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!

2002-02-14 Thread Alastair Scott

On 14 February 2002 at 18:08 Stuart wrote:

 And can you tell me how I would get that for The Bat! ?  The Log doesn't 
 contain that much info.  This was extracted from Eudora.log with the 
 appropriate debug selections made in the ini file.

Bizarrely, you can't. One of my feature requests is for TB! to write
the unexpurgated logfile somewhere. The sanitised version TB! presents
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Re[2]: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!

2002-02-14 Thread Chris Hall

Friday, 15 February 2002

Hi Melissa,

On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, at 09:53:14 [GMT -0800] (which was 6:53 a.m. here
in Eastbourne, N.Z.) you wrote:

MR I have now gone beyond them - using instead a local SMTP server -
MR ADR (Advanced Direct Remailer).

I too have had problems with variable SMTP domains and I saw your
posting about ADR and I am now testing it out and so far ..It Rocks..

They even recommend it be used with TB.


Cheers,


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Re: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!

2002-02-14 Thread Melissa Reese

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On Thursday, February 14, 2002, at 3:47:47 PM PST, Nick Andriash
wrote:

 What do you have to do for it to work? It just sits there in my
 System Tray, and I cannot figure out what it needs to act as a local
 SMTP Server. I don't see a manual with it... probably something
 simple I'm overlooking.

Hello Nick,

While there are other small configuration settings you can set up, the
one *very simple* thing you need to do to get it working is to type
localhost (no quotes) in your email client's SMTP server field for
each account you want to use it with.

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Re: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!

2002-02-14 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello Melissa Reese,

On Thursday, February 14 2002 at 03:55 PM PDT, you wrote:

 While there are other small configuration settings you can set up, the
 one *very simple* thing you need to do to get it working is to type
 localhost (no quotes) in your email client's SMTP server field for
 each account you want to use it with.

Yes, I've done that Melissa, but for whatever reason, all my Mail I'm
sending out just sits in ADR's Outbox, and I can see no way to Send that
Mail. What is the trick? There is something really basic I'm missing
here. :o(


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Re[3]: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!

2002-02-14 Thread Stuart Brook

Hello Chris,

Thursday, February 14, 2002, 6:27:50 PM, you wrote:


MR I have now gone beyond them - using instead a local SMTP server -
MR ADR (Advanced Direct Remailer).

CH I too have had problems with variable SMTP domains and I saw your
CH posting about ADR and I am now testing it out and so far ..It Rocks..

CH They even recommend it be used with TB.

I cannot use my own SMTP server (or at least soon won't be able to)
and many ISPs are following suit, by blocking IP port 25 unless it is
to connect to *their own* server.

I tried with Mailgate, and it seems to do the job, just have to make
sure it's not externally accessible, since it would look like an open
relay.

Stuart


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Re: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!

2002-02-14 Thread Stuart Brook

At 14:54 2/14/02, you wrote:
On 14 February 2002 at 18:08 Stuart wrote:

  And can you tell me how I would get that for The Bat! ?  The Log doesn't
  contain that much info.  This was extracted from Eudora.log with the
  appropriate debug selections made in the ini file.

Bizarrely, you can't. One of my feature requests is for TB! to write
the unexpurgated logfile somewhere. The sanitised version TB! presents
is fine until something really obscure goes wrong ...

Alastair

Uhhh ... yup that won't cut the mustard ... now to find out how I can log 
transfers out the net connection (I'm on a cable modem).

Stuart


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Re[2]: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!

2002-02-14 Thread Chris Hall

Friday, 15 February 2002

Hi Nick,

On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, at 15:47:47 [GMT -0800] (which was 12:47 p.m.
here in Eastbourne, N.Z.) you wrote:

NA What do you have to do for it to work? It just sits there in my System
NA Tray, and I cannot figure out what it needs to act as a local SMTP
NA Server. I don't see a manual with it... probably something simple I'm
NA overlooking. 

In ADR go to:- | Help | Configuring | Mail Clients | Setting of the Bat.

This may give you a clue.

Mine wouldn't work at first, but then I changed the port to 2525
( in ADR | Delivery | General Settings | Server )

Hope this helps




Regards,



Chris



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Re: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!

2002-02-14 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello Chris Hall,

On Thursday, February 14 2002 at 05:40 PM PDT, you wrote:

 In ADR go to:- | Help | Configuring | Mail Clients | Setting of the Bat.
 
 This may give you a clue.

Thanks Chris... My problem turned out to be something as simple as not
checking a box under 'Actions' so that my messages would be sent
immediately. They were piling up in my Outbox and I couldn't figure how
to get them out of there. 


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How to add a batch of recipients to Address Book

2002-02-14 Thread Paul Berger


 When you receive an e-mail addressed to a number of recipients, is there a
 quick way to add all the recipients to the Address Book as a group?

 When I tried this, using Specials-Add Recipient to Address Book,
 only a single contact card was created, with a long list of e-mail
 addresses.

Paul

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Re: How to add a batch of recipients to Address Book

2002-02-14 Thread Raj

Paul,

On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, at 16:53:15 [GMT +1100] (which was 11:23 AM where I live) you
wrote:

PB When I tried this, using Specials-Add Recipient to Address Book,
PB  only a single contact card was created, with a long list of e-mail
PB  addresses.

Create a filter for the message and under the action Tab (scroll down) check the
option  of adding addresses to the address book. Check out the drop down menu for
options of which addresses to add.

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