Re[2]: How do I install the bet rar file?
Hello Jonathan, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 at 00:24:18[GMT -0500](which was 06:24 where I live) you wrote: JA I believe the original poster meant he'd wait until an official JA release where it is shipped as a self-extracting setup program... JA which comes in the form of a .exe :) Spot on :-) -- Best regards, Richard (the original poster!) Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do I install the bet rar file?
Hi Richard, On Friday, October 18, 2002 04:46 your local time, (09:31 my local time), you [RW] wrote: SM http://www.rarlab.com/ RW Oh heck I really can't be bothered :-) RW I'll wait for the proper programme release. If I may say so, it's worthwhile having WinRar (www.rarlab.com) on your machine. It can compress/decompress many formats including zip. So, grab WinRar and scrap WinZip :) -- be well, Sudip Pokhrel |/\ PM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign PGP Key ID: 0xD93F5185| X Against HTML E-mail ! http://pgpkeys.mit.edu|/ \ ___ A wolf in sheeps clothing needs professional help ___ TB! v1.61 on XP Pro| P4-1.6Ghz 256MB RAM| Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
threading by subject
Hi Batters, I'm on a DSP mailing list where people use all kinds of mail clients, most of which don't set references correctly when replying. I still like to have the discussions somewhat in order, so I turned on threading by subject. This only works correctly if I sort ascendingly by creation date. If I sort by descending creation date, the first message in a thread always gets displayed as the last entry in the tree. In this list, I can sort by reference and everything works as expected. This is a bug in TB and should be fixed. Roman PS: I don't like to sort by ascending date because whenever I access that mail folder I have to scroll through about 800 old messages to get to the new ones. TB very often goes to the very top of the mail folder instead of the last message I was on. -- Roman Katzer, Aachen, Germany You might be a physics major... if when your professor asks you where your homework is, you claim to have accidentally determined its momentum so precisely, that according to Heisenberg it could be anywhere in the universe. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by subject
On Friday, October 18, 2002, Roman Katzer wrote in mid:1929593765.20021018143940;kawo2.rwth-aachen.de: RK If I sort by descending creation date, the first message in a RK thread always gets displayed as the last entry in the tree. Sounds like correct behavior to me, not a bug. TB! is doing what you're directing it to do. RK PS: I don't like to sort by ascending date because whenever I RK access that mail folder I have to scroll through about 800 old RK messages to get to the new ones. You could avoid the problem by removing the clutter. Move your old messages to a different folder or archive them out of TB!. -- JN Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by subject
Hi Roman, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:39:40 +0200 Roman Katzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I sort by descending creation date, the first message in a thread always gets displayed as the last entry in the tree. First thing is: you told it to do so :-) Second is: I think I remember having seen an option that sais something like 'make oldest message start of thread' ... could somebody evaluate the preferences pages (I don't have a TB! installtion handy at the moment) and tell Roman where exactly this option is located? thx -- Pit Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Which .exe is correct?
Hello Scott, Thursday, October 17, 2002, 11:22:03 PM, you wrote: SM Hello mm, SM Thursday, October 17, 2002, 10:11:46 PM, you wrote: SM I have this: SM 07/09/2002 05:53 pm 4,689,408 thebat.exe mM I'm running version 1.61 personal. My 7.09.02 file is also 17.53 but mM the size is different. 4,580 KB SM Right-click and select Properties; it should show the real file size SM there instead of the approximate size that Windows usually shows. Yes! It's the same. And thank you for that properties tip. I didn't know about that. I have often wondered why, when emailing a .jpg, or other graphic, that the stated size is never what The Bat! is sending. Now I know how to check. Thanks a bunch. -- mmmailto:mmeister;sprintmail.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Difference between 'common folders' and normal ones
Friday, October 18, 2002, 1:54:06 AM, you wrote: what is the difference between 'common folders' and normal folders? DH Common Folders reside outside of accounts. In many places, the documentation says that a function takes its defaults from the account. An example is the set of templates used for Reply and Forward. Common folders do, in fact, take their default templates from somewhere. They do not require that each common folder specify the details of their templates. So, the question is where these come from? What does serve the role of the account, for common folders, for such things as template defaults? d/ d/ - Dave Crocker mailto:dhc2;dcrocker.net TribalWise http://www.tribalwise.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I was just Eicar test virus testing, when.....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, October 18, 2002, Carren Stuart wrote... JA The virus doesn't exist inside the archive... it is the archive JA ;) But if this is the case then surely that would mean that the moment you unzip the archive, the virus is executed? I don't get it? That is why virus scanners actually scan the archive... whilst some scan both the archive file itself (.zip) AND the content. You did get it right :) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPbAXUyuD6BT4/R9zEQK9EgCfUxe0E6IhKd29j5wKWrUEeRzOW4AAoM4m xjzAEejv9qF9ghY9mF0rAcDO =AYSN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Alternative Forward Folder bug?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, October 18, 2002, Roelof Otten wrote... JA I cannot remember if this worked before, but I am playing with JA the new beta version (beta6 I think). Put 1.61 back and see if it works then. If it does it's a beta issue. Still does it in the version I have installed at work... er... which is Beta5. Don't think I have a copy of 1.61 around anywhere. Although the PGP thing was fixed when I went back down a version last night. I think something is broken there. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPbAY1CuD6BT4/R9zEQJi1QCeP3nyrU/jkC43c22TqSZmPQ7Td2QAn2Ks OVXm7BvmXox4ZMlsVo66Npzl =//Bh -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do I install the bet rar file?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, October 18, 2002, Sudip Pokhrel wrote... SM http://www.rarlab.com/ RW Oh heck I really can't be bothered :-) RW I'll wait for the proper programme release. If I may say so, it's worthwhile having WinRar (www.rarlab.com) on your machine. It can compress/decompress many formats including zip. So, grab WinRar and scrap WinZip :) Or UltimateZip if you can live with a small sponsor splash... www.ultimatezip.com handles rar files just fine, and it free. Don't know about WinRar though - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPbAbYiuD6BT4/R9zEQJyqwCfciFjFjWtOYAVY7f1dZzNgtLzuFcAoI2i H4/uKe54gazrxfERfjjshW5T =FTY+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by subject
Hi Peter, On Friday, October 18, 2002, 15:18:10, Peter Palmreuther wrote: If I sort by descending creation date, the first message in a thread always gets displayed as the last entry in the tree. First thing is: you told it to do so :-) Umm... yes but no ;) I was just used to the behavior in the threading-by-reference-view. Second is: I think I remember having seen an option that sais something like 'make oldest message start of thread' ... could somebody evaluate the preferences pages (I don't have a TB! installtion handy at the moment) and tell Roman where exactly this option is located? Ok. Roman: it's in Options - Preferences - Message List. There we go. I'm talking to myself. Roman -- Roman Katzer, Aachen, Germany The Kennedys might as well name there next grandchild alleged. -- Dennis Miller Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by subject
Hi Joseph, On Friday, October 18, 2002, 15:09:34, Joseph N. wrote: You could avoid the problem by removing the clutter. Move your old messages to a different folder or archive them out of TB!. Well I do keep it down to 800 messages but I like to keep those in that folder to keep track of the threads and developments. Ah, the downsides of high-traffic mailing lists. Thanks to both Peter and you! Roman -- Roman Katzer, Aachen, Germany Hy! It's the Undersea Kingdom for you and for me and it's fiine! -- Crash Corrigan and the Undersea Kingdom Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do I install the bet rar file?
Friday, October 18, 2002, 4:31:57 PM, you wrote: Or UltimateZip if you can live with a small sponsor splash... www.ultimatezip.com handles rar files just fine, and it free. Don't know about WinRar though Yes, but don't try it in a pro way e.g. compressing hundreds of files in GB size - then only WinZip or WinRar will do the job in a proper way (and WinRar does it better in terms of space and time). -- V-llap 3w Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mail disappears when switching from Administrator to User on Win2K
Hi, I have a problem when switching from Administrator and User logins on my Win2K machine. I frequently switch between the two, and use The Bat to check my email from both. However, if I check my email when logged on as Admin, and then switch back to User later on, I notice the following when I open The Bat as a User: 1. All my email has disappeared! All inboxes, all accounts are empty except for the Sent Items and Trash folders which contain messages I sent in an earlier session as User or messages deleted then. 2. If I log back on as Admin and try to check for mail again, all new messages are retrieved but not saved to the hard drive. I get error messages such as message was unable to be saved as foo.tmp in directory so-and-so. 3. If I check my email as User, Messages appear to get retrieved, but fail to show up in my mailboxes. End result? I can rarely manage to read a single email as either Admin or User, and I have to either fiddle around with reorganizing the mailboxes or reinstall The Bat. Has anyone else faced this problem? Any help would be greatly appreciated. -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Using GnuPG through TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I am revisiting the idea of signing my ML/NG posts by default. A couple of issues came up in a dry run of the process, though. These all pertain to my trying to use GPG through TB! 1. A dialog box comes up, which has a checkmark option to use the Password Database. How is this constructed? In particular, how secure is it? It seems to me like a very bad idea to put one's passphrase into a hard drive database. 2. How is the passphrase cached when it is entered into the dialog box? 3. Only one key came up in the dialog box, without a drop-down menu. It was the key currently set as default in GPG. Is there any way to either specify a particular key for TB! or to see a menu of choices? The concern is that I might change my option set to another key, which would then set up the wrong key for TB!; yes, I know that I would be alerted to that, but then I'd have to load GPGshell, etc. etc. 4. Hmmm of even more concern, now that I tried to send the preceding message, is that when the signing dialog box came up and I entered my passphrase on the lower line for the key which was shown on the upper line, I received the following: gpg: no default secret key: bad passphrase gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: bad passphrase Why did that occur? My passphrase was not incorrect. (This message was signed with the same passphrase and the same key, but with GPGshell in the systray.) Thanks. - -- JN -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0-nr2 (Windows 98) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9sCqasVVIqpflTDsRAg2FAJ4iP7BisEAXYVU1qq/91PRG8998iACfRCkf d9BxDHX2jrDI35NIeCkPrLg= =0wxX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do I install the bet rar file?
Hello Sudip! On Friday, October 18, 2002 at 2:14:53 PM you wrote: If I may say so, it's worthwhile having WinRar (www.rarlab.com) on your machine. It can compress/decompress many formats including zip. So, grab WinRar and scrap WinZip :) Squeez can do that, too (with the exception of RAR 3 compress at the moment). -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Zoo.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:Dierk.Haasis;Write4U.de?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Life is a sexually transmitted disease. (Alexander Veljanov) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Difference between 'common folders' and normal ones
Hello Dave! On Friday, October 18, 2002 at 4:12:19 PM you wrote: So, the question is where these come from? What does serve the role of the account, for common folders, for such things as template defaults? From the account set to be default for mailto links (the main account). -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Zoo.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:Dierk.Haasis;Write4U.de?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises. (Samuel Butler) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Regarding AV Plugins for TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo TB! users, I'm returning to the list after a fairly long absence so first off hello :) Nice to have the TBUL folder filling up quickly again ;) Anyway, here are my Q.s: Regarding AV Plugins for TB!: I am using Kapersky and AVG antivirus softwares for system virus protection, and now have AV plugins for both antivirus programs installed under The Bat! The Kapersky plugin is shown as v3.590 and the AVG plugin is shown as v9 AVG 6.0.404. The question(s) * Can you use multiple AV plugins/scanners with TB!? * When launching TB! I can see a spash/loader screen appear briefly for Kapersky but not for AVG. Does anyone know if this is normal? (I only installed the plugin for AVG today. I've been manually scanning the mail folders with AVG up until now) * In TB!'s virus protection settings, you can order the plugins by moving them up and down. I have moved the AVG plugin to the topmost slot. Will this mean that AVG will be used soley to scan email or that both scanners will be used and AVG will be used before Kapersky? * When manually scanning accounts using Folder/Check for Viruses there are no options to select which AV scanner to use for the scanning task. Does this mean that the all AV scanners will be used to check accounts or only the topmost plugin under virus protection settings. Thanks :) - -- Slán, Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk ___ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/index.shtml -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPbA63ctub/5cfolmEQICRgCfamkbI4E2tmOPaSX+qEKVx8YCMUsAn0I+ rlRfc55qLTQ/J/GZHpXYx2HM =sDkk -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Relaying denied?
When I try to send emails, I sometimes get an error message saying - Server reply: relaying denied? This seems to be happening only recently since I got my broadband connection (Ethernet connection via T1/ATM to campus network). Thanks, -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Alternative Forward Folder bug?
Hello Jonathan, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:03:24 -0500 GMT (18/10/02, 13:03 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: I'm sitting here trying to forward an email to a friend. The email is in a common folder, with no templates or identities set on it. The person I am mailing has an addressbook template which tells TB! to use my work account to send. When I go to Specials - Alternative Forward (right click the message), it attaches the message file, but has the From: field empty. So I put in who I am sending the mail to, and the template should kick in... it doesn't... Maybe TB considers the body (or even the attachment) that has been created by forwarding. You know, the AB templates don't work if you have already written something in the body, this fact may be interfering here. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Und heisst Du nicht Willi, dann rauch' ich im Wald. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Difference between 'common folders' and normal ones
Hello Dave, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:12:19 -0700 GMT (18/10/02, 21:12 +0700 GMT), Dave Crocker wrote: Common folders do, in fact, take their default templates from somewhere. They do not require that each common folder specify the details of their templates. So, the question is where these come from? The TB default tempaltes are being used. What does serve the role of the account, for common folders, for such things as template defaults? You cannot change them. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. You better cut the pizza in four pieces because I am not hungry enough to eat six. (Yogi Berra) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by subject
Hello Roman, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:39:40 +0200 GMT (18/10/02, 19:39 +0700 GMT), Roman Katzer wrote: TB very often goes to the very top of the mail folder instead of the last message I was on. TB does that all the time after compressing the folders. The main message list has the latest message at the bottom, I also have to scroll down often. I wish I could make TB go to the bottom of the list in those cases, instead of to the top. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Kommt ein Mann in ne Bank: Haende raus, Geld hoch, ich bin eine Geisel! - Gell, Sie wollen's in Schilling? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem sharing a mailbox
Hi David, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:04:17 +0200 David Cantatore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few questions. Is everyone of them using TB? And if so, do all copies of TB show the same behaviour? In the latter case you could try to ask the ISP about changes in the server. They all use TB and the ISP maintains the problem isn't on their side (which I believe). Why do you belive that? The reason why I'm asking is: the 'leave messages on server and do not download them a second time' is such a simple function there can't be mayn things wrong. I'll try to explain it in short words: 1.) TB! connects to the Mail server and asks for a list of so called 'UID's. The POP3-command for this purpose is 'UIDL' (Unique ID List). 2.) Assuming TB! hasn't downloaded any message before it now fetches all messages and writes the UIDs of messages fetched to a local file. 3.) Next time TB! connects it fetches the UIDs again, compares them with the local list and fetches only the messages not in the local UID-list. The UID is calculated and generated by the mail server, TB! has in no way any influence on this UID generation process. Therefore if such a scenario, as you describe, _suddenly_ happens _AND_ the The Bat! version has _not_ changed there are two possibilities: 1.) TB! suddenly is not capable to handle the UID file correctly. Have a look at the account dir for a file called: 'ACCOUNT.M_R'. This file contains the UIDs. Is it empty? Seems TB! is the culprit. Not? What's it's last modification time? Long ago? Maybe TB! is the culprit. It was just modified lately? Chances are high the server does something unusual. 2.) The server has changed, maybe a minor upgrade of POP3 daemon and now calculates the UIDs on a basis that does not provide the same result on every run. Maybe the UID generator uses file modification time of mbox file / maildir and that time might change as the mail box is touched every time you fetch your mail. This can proven _only_ by doing some low level stuff, namely: doing multiple telnet sessions and sending POP3 commands manually to compare the results the server gives on one picky message. I for myselft wouldn't trust the ISP this fast only because he tells the problem ain't on their side ... Hey, THIS is the fastest way for him to get rid of that problem: telling it's you and let the work be done by you or live with the problem. If _nothing_ changed on TB! side why should it 'out of a sudden' start behaving incorrectly? On _four independent_ machines, everywhere with the same symptoms. You'd have to misconfigure _all four system_ the _same way_ ... quite hard to believe :-) -- Pit Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How do I install the bet rar file?
Hello Jonathan, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 at 09:31:57[GMT -0500](which was 15:31 where I live) you wrote: JA Or UltimateZip if you can live with a small sponsor splash... JA www.ultimatezip.com handles rar files just fine, and it free. Don't JA know about WinRar though Thanks, that sounds more like a good idea. I don't fancy ditching WinZip which I've paid for in preference for another programme that will only be used for .rar once or twice. -- Best regards, Richard Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How do I install the bet rar file?
Hello Sudip, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 at 17:59:53[GMT +0545](which was 13:14 where I live) you wrote: RW I'll wait for the proper programme release. SP If I may say so, it's worthwhile having WinRar (www.rarlab.com) on SP your machine. It can compress/decompress many formats including zip. SP So, grab WinRar and scrap WinZip :) I think paying for a programme when I will only use it once in a blue moon is not worth it but I will probably try UltimateZip as mentioned in the next message. -- Best regards, Richard Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Alternative Forward Folder bug?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, October 18, 2002, Thomas Fernandez wrote... I'm sitting here trying to forward an email to a friend. The email is in a common folder, with no templates or identities set on it. The person I am mailing has an addressbook template which tells TB! to use my work account to send. When I go to Specials - Alternative Forward (right click the message), it attaches the message file, but has the From: field empty. So I put in who I am sending the mail to, and the template should kick in... it doesn't... Maybe TB considers the body (or even the attachment) that has been created by forwarding. You know, the AB templates don't work if you have already written something in the body, this fact may be interfering here. Okay, I'm not too worried about it not applying templates, I can understand the theory behind it, but why after selecting an account, can I *still* not send? It even asks me if I want to send, but the message box goes away after clicking YES, and nothing else happens, I'm back to the message again. I tried it with Beta5, and still get the same behaviour. Forwarding mails is quite a useful function, and failing to be able to do it from outside of the account folder is just stupid ;) I'd say that this is a bug, probably a failure to lookup account information or something. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPbBA5SuD6BT4/R9zEQLrIgCcDJd/Ot2ypaQX5GYl5E9rj5ClQuYAoIY+ WaVPyRD47f6GF2xXM7d4CZwn =H3hw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: threading by subject
Hello Thomas, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 at 23:44:05[GMT +0700](which was 17:44 where I live) you wrote: TF TB does that all the time after compressing the folders. The main TF message list has the latest message at the bottom, I also have to TF scroll down often. I wish I could make TB go to the bottom of the TF list in those cases, instead of to the top. Yes, if there was a wish list that would come high on mine too. -- Best regards, Richard Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Relaying denied?
On Friday, October 18, 2002 12:53:12 PM [-0700], Vishal Nakra wrote: When I try to send emails, I sometimes get an error message saying - Server reply: relaying denied? This seems to be happening only recently since I got my broadband connection (Ethernet connection via T1/ATM to campus network). What are you using as your outgoing mail server setting? -- Matt Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Relaying denied?
Hello Vishal, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:53:12 -0700 GMT (19/10/02, 02:53 +0700 GMT), Vishal Nakra wrote: When I try to send emails, I sometimes get an error message saying - Server reply: relaying denied? This seems to be happening only recently since I got my broadband connection (Ethernet connection via T1/ATM to campus network). The SMTP server does not like the fact that you are not connected through them. Or, the SMTP server does not like that your From address is not from their domain. Or something like that. Anyway, the error message comes from the SMTP server. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle drugs. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Relaying denied?
On Friday, October 18, 2002 10:28:13 AM [-0700], Thomas Fernandez wrote: When I try to send emails, I sometimes get an error message saying - Server reply: relaying denied? This seems to be happening only recently since I got my broadband connection (Ethernet connection via T1/ATM to campus network). The SMTP server does not like the fact that you are not connected through them. Or, the SMTP server does not like that your From address is not from their domain. Or something like that. Anyway, the error message comes from the SMTP server. To elaborate...you can combat this by running a local smtp server on your machine. They've been mentioned many a time on this list. Off the top of my head I can think of PostCast Server, Mercury, MDaemon, etc. -- Matt Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Alternative Forward Folder bug?
Hello Jonathan, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:12:00 -0500 GMT (19/10/02, 00:12 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: Okay, I'm not too worried about it not applying templates, I can understand the theory behind it, but why after selecting an account, can I *still* not send? It even asks me if I want to send, but the message box goes away after clicking YES, and nothing else happens, Sorry, I cannot confirm this. I just took a message from a common folder, alternate-forwarded it (i.e. MIME-attach). the I chose an account, inserted a recipient, hit put in Outbox - and that's were it went. No such problem over here. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. You have a right to your opinions. I just don't want to hear them. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by subject
Hello Richard, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 18:17:07 +0100 GMT (19/10/02, 00:17 +0700 GMT), Richard Wakeford wrote: Yes, if there was a wish list that would come high on mine too. There is one. Check out this link: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html and click on Bug Reporting and Feature Request. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. CHRISTOPHER HOPE was disappointed by the warning he spotted on a gallon container of the laboratory disinfectant Hibitane. Avoid contact with brain, it told him, thereby spoiling his plans for a fun-filled afternoon drilling holes in his skull and pouring disinfectant into them. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Using GnuPG through TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi Joseph, In a message with mid:1185388763.20021018103717;qwest.net On 18 Oct 2002 10:37:17 (my local time 17:37:17), you typed: JN 3. Only one key came up in the dialog box, without a drop-down menu. JN It was the key currently set as default in GPG. Is there any way to JN either specify a particular key for TB! or to see a menu of choices? This is a feature that i too would like to see. It would really be nice to be able to select what key to use when signing/encrypting with the plugin. Currently, the only way you can get multiple choises, as far as i'm concerned is to uncheck the menu option sign when completed under the privacy menu and then use the gpgshell to sign/encrypt. Sorry i couldn't be of more help there. - -- - -- /Krister mailto:krister;bonetmail.com This mail brought to you by The bat! V1.61, on Windows 98 4 10 build Pgp keys available here: Mailto:krister;bonetmail.com?subject=get_pgp_keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.90-nr1 (Windows 98) iD8DBQE9sFjeODlJeoMTOQsRA7+SAJ4lRxZwabASuDUZemTQgUZ5gHbqOQCggnDc 2k+ibydphNXkIr8AGKrnffA= =jMEE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I was just Eicar test virus testing, when.....
Hello Marcus Ohlström, On Friday, October 18 2002 at 12:43 AM PDT, you wrote: I have never heard of a *.zip file that was itself a virus. Is that what you are referring to, and if so can you point to some documentation that explains how they do it or how it works? http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-054.asp Thanks Marcus... I have read the article, but I still remain skeptical. Why? Because if that were true, the entire Computing World would be up in arms about it. Anti-Virus Software Companies would be scrambling to produce Programs that would automatically delete all *.zip files if simply opening an archive to view the contents would in itself unleash the virus. Think of all the hundreds of thousands... or millions... of *.zip files that are being opened each and every day. That presents a tremendous opportunity for virus makers, yet one never hears of such exploits. It must not be a very popular exploit... either that or there is more to unleashing the virus than simply opening a ZIP file. -- Nick Andriash Creston, B.C. Canada PGP Public Key: MailTo:andriash;shaw.ca?subject=PGPKey Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I was just Eicar test virus testing, when.....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, October 18, 2002, Nick Andriash wrote... I have never heard of a *.zip file that was itself a virus. Is that what you are referring to, and if so can you point to some documentation that explains how they do it or how it works? http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-054.asp Thanks Marcus... I have read the article, but I still remain skeptical. Why? Because if that were true, the entire Computing World would be up in arms about it. Anti-Virus Software Companies would be scrambling to produce Programs that would automatically delete all *.zip files if simply opening an archive to view the contents would in itself unleash the virus. I think you're miss-understanding how the scanning of a zip file works. It doesn't run say winzip, then open the file, then scan it. It does it in a certain order. It locks the file, and runs a signature check. Basically it scans the archive file itself (NOT CONTENT YET) to see if it matches a fingerprint of a virus. If it does, then alert the user. If it doesn't, and the AV software supports it, run an internal extraction utility to extract the files to a temporary location, then scan the content. At no point in the process does it attempt to 'run' the file. Only after it has passed the first scan does it attempt to 'open' it. Think of all the hundreds of thousands... or millions... of *.zip files that are being opened each and every day. That presents a tremendous opportunity for virus makers, yet one never hears of such exploits. It must not be a very popular exploit... either that or there is more to unleashing the virus than simply opening a ZIP file. You don't often hear about Word97 macro viruses any more either, but they still exist, and I get regular notifications of them flying about. The reason you tend not to hear about them is because they require a little user interaction to get them to work... ie the user has to open it. Where as take Klez for example, you didn't even have to touch the attached files, it did everything on its own. I think the people that write viruses aren't too worried about certain methods any more. With the increasing popularity of computers and the Internet, email is the quickest way to spread a virus, you cannot hit most of the world in a file that requires you to manually send it on, or copy it to a floppy disk ;) The really sad thing is most virus creators now have lost their creativity. I used to enjoy watching out for viruses (sad eh?) purely because some of them were quite comical. Take for example Pregnant... it's not really destructive as such, but some of the messages it gives you are amusing... same with cookie monster as well... ever seen somebody try feeding the Cookie Monster cookies every 3 seconds? ;) Now creativity is limited to trying to work out how to make 30 different random subjects in really bad English. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPbBiWyuD6BT4/R9zEQK8FQCdHwrboz3hrVlJSj3yS4n/59Ktnm8An3Pt mzzhBkcbAj98B5cCDyOHcjOa =pz3V -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I was just Eicar test virus testing, when.....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday, October 18, 2002 4:04:09 PM RE: I was just Eicar test virus testing, when. Greetings Nick, On Friday, October 18, 2002, 3:07:25 PM, you wrote: NA Think of all the hundreds of thousands... or millions... of *.zip files NA that are being opened each and every day. That presents a tremendous NA opportunity for virus makers, yet one never hears of such exploits. Do the words Not yet? mean anything? As virus programmers develop and utilize new technology everyday I am positively sure that there will come the day when a zip header will be used to execute a file within the zip that will further contaminate a system based on simply opening the archive. This will also hold true for .rar archives, .ace archives, .pak archives and, very easily, .cab archives. As we progress with the daily virus technology I see it not long in coming. I progress in statement, regress in thread and therfore forsee my answer becoming off topic and being informed to take it offlist or to tbot by the moderator. - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. It's not a bug; it's an undocumented feature. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Business Security 6.0 iQA/AwUBPbBrgmGmTEg4iItaEQLcqwCguNwrrtvBP5rcc6aFlNzxnh1gPLUAnjCB is5LNYRlkzFIIDVNNwM6b2Ky =AgH+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Relaying denied?
Howdy. VN When I try to send emails, I sometimes get an error message saying - VN Server reply: relaying denied? This seems to be happening only VN recently since I got my broadband connection (Ethernet connection via VN T1/ATM to campus network). This is the result of an anti-spam mechanism, to stop what is called open relaying. Open relaying is when anyone can post email through the server, to any other destination. Spammers use this to get a multipying effect, so they can send to more people, quicker. They also use it to try to hide their original location. The solution is to limit email posting to a server for only those who are authorized. Authorization can come from different mechanisms. Three mechanisms are quite common: One is thepop before smtp hack. Another is SMTP Auth. Another is coming in over an authenticated SSL connection. TB! appears to support all of these, so the question is what your server wants. The From and Sender fields are not important. Servers do not use them for authentication. They are too easy to forge. In some systems, only users who are local to the server may post. This requires that their IP address be on the same network as the server. Such servers will not permit posting by anyone who is traveling or is otherwise outside the home network. Any server run in this sort of simplistic way is utterly useless for anyone who works in multiple locations and/or who travels. The problem with running an SMTP server on your own machine is that you have then made yourself into an ISP. That is, you must have very good, full-time access. SMTP is a utility service and needs to be run accordingly. It is not reasonable to expect individual users to have the connectivity or the operational environment that keeps email transport reliable and efficient. /d - Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brandenburg InternetWorking http://www.brandenburg.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with Trojan Email
Hallo M.D., On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:39:56 -0500GMT (18-10-02, 23:39 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: JPCMD I have received two emails from a friend that cause TB to freeze JPCMD completely. I cannot even delete them, TB is so frozen. Once I was First thing you do is to close TB and zip both the messages.tbb and the messages.tbi files in the folder that causes TB to freeze. Since this is obviously a bug, you attach it to a mail addressed to the developers (in the menu: help - feedback - bug report) so it can be fixed in a next version. That won't help you right now, but it's a start. (Of course when that folder contains real sensitive info, you could consider not to do so, but that's up to you.) Now the cure of your problem. I'll mention a few possibilities: 1) Close TB. Run Scandisk on the drive with your message base. There could be a disk problem. When Scandisk reports errors and fixes them, try TB again and see if it is fixed. If not, no harm's done. 2) Close TB , delete the messages.tbi file, your index could be corrupt. When you start TB, it creates a new index file for the folder with a missing one. If your problem is cured, it probably had nothing to do with the e-mails from your friend. This action (deleting the messages.tbi) will cause all messages deleted after the last time you compressed that folder to show up again. (I'll explain this at the bottom of my message.) 3) The third option. This means you've got a real problem. Close TB (All my options start with that. g) Move the messages.tbb from your problem folder to a different location (move it, don't delete it, cause this is the file containing your messages) you can move the matching .tbi or delete it, that's up to you. Now start TB and the messages in the other folders can be accessed again. Now you're still missing the messages in your problem folder. OK. Copy the replaced messages.tbi to a file called messages.txt. Since the messages.tbb is in plain text, you can open it with notepad (or whatever text-editor), provided it's not to big for it. Now search for the suspect messages (new messages are appended to end of the file) and cut them from your messages.txt. Save your messages.txt as plain text!!! Create a new text file and paste your suspect messages in it, so that you have copies of them. Start TB, create a new folder in it. Close TB. Copy your messages.txt to the new folder as messages.tbb and don't forget that the messages.tbi in that folder doesn't match the .tbb, so deltete it. Start TB. If you haven't made any mistakes, you can now view the other messages. (Unless another message is the real culprit.) Copy the messages you want to keep to their folders. Now you can try the same with the two messages you've saved in the new textfile. Remember that all manual manipulations with the tbi or tbb files ought to be done with TB closed. ** Now something completely different. You asked your question by replying to a message on this list and changing the subject. You shouldn't do that, because: The Bat is able to thread messages properly, in order to see what I mean, just select the folder where you're storing the messages from this list. Go to the menu: view - view threads by - references. Now you'll see that all messages are lined up after the message to which they're first, second (or whatever) level replies to. You started what's essentially a new thread by replying to another message. That means it shows up as listed in another thread. Since people sometimes skip messages in threads they don't consider interesting (for lack of time). They might skip your message too, since they're not aware of the newly started thread. So next time you'd do yourself a favor by sending a new message in stead of a reply, because you're reaching a larger audience and one of those might have the answer you've been waiting for. ** Since I promised to explain why your deleted messages return from the dustbin after deleting the messages.tbi, here's the explanation: TB manages your messages as a database or to be more precisely: stores them in a database. This database is organized per folder. Each folder has a messages.tbb and a messages.tbi file. The real messages are stored in the messages.tbb (The Bat Base) and to shorten the access time to the messages additional info is stored in the messages.tbi (The Bat Index). This additional info can be a flag you've set to the message, the info whether you've replied to it or whether you deleted the message. Deleted? you'll say. Yes. When you delete a message, TB flags the message as deleted in the index file, but leaves it in the actual message base. That's because setting a bit in the index is faster than rewriting the full messages.tbb. In the folder menu you'll see an option 'browse deleted messages' where you can view and undelete your deleted messages. Will TB never delete messages from the messages.tbb? Yes, it can do that, but that's called 'compressing', you'll see an option 'compress' in
Re: Mail disappears when switching from Administrator to User onWin2K
Hallo Vishal, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:28:39 -0700GMT (18-10-02, 20:28 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: VN I have a problem when switching from Administrator and User logins on VN my Win2K machine. I frequently switch between the two, and use The Bat VN to check my email from both. However, if I check my email when logged Do both admin and user have full access rights to the directories where TB stores it's message base? Does TB point to the same directories for both admin and user? -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with Trojan Email
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi M.D., 18-Oct-2002, 16:39 -0500 (22:39 UK time) John P. Case, M.D. [JPC] in mid:803383495.20021018163956;attglobal.net said: JPC I have received two emails from a friend that cause TB to JPC freeze completely. ... snip JPC What can I do? Turn off HTML Autoview. I'm betting the mail from your friend is HTML mail and includes some either invalid or at least eccentric markup that is killing TB's HTML renderer. JPC A virus was found neither by Norton nor PCillin, both with JPC recent virus updates. No, it doesn't sound like a virus. If it turns out that the above suggestion works, you should MIME forward (Alternative forward) the offending messages to RITlabs or at least file a bug report about it. If you are unsure of how to do this, send me the MIME forwarded messages off-list and I'll submit the bug report for you. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta6 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0-nr2 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9sKfaOeQkq5KdzaARAqIcAKD4IHM1BAc3nrzt8I1D4G5f24PDCQCfVe2d JH9e0L2lnpvC421c51ZcOt4= =/v3I -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding AV Plugins for TB!
I have the AVG plug-in installed. It does flash up a window briefly for me, saying it's there, when I launch The Bat! I went to the Kaspersky website and posted a query. Got a message back by e-mail saying that Kaspersky advises not to have more than one AV program installed on a machine, because multiple AV programs can interfere with proper operation of the AV programs. I am a Bat newbie, and this is my first post to this list. I don't know how to make a signature that shows what I am running, so will just put it here in the text: Running The Bat! version 1.61 on Windows 95B, on Compaq 4540 with 32 MB of RAM. Maybe someone else can answer the rest of your questions. I would like to know the answer to them, also. Mary S -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- S Hash: SHA1 S 'Lo TB! users, S I'm returning to the list after a fairly long absence so first off hello :) S Nice to have the TBUL folder filling up quickly again ;) Anyway, here are my S Q.s: S Regarding AV Plugins for TB!: S I am using Kapersky and AVG antivirus softwares for system virus protection, S and now have AV plugins for both antivirus programs installed under The Bat! S The Kapersky plugin is shown as v3.590 and the AVG plugin is shown as v9 AVG S 6.0.404. S The question(s) S * Can you use multiple AV plugins/scanners with TB!? S * When launching TB! I can see a spash/loader screen appear briefly for S Kapersky but not for AVG. Does anyone know if this is normal? (I only S installed the plugin for AVG today. I've been manually scanning the mail S folders with AVG up until now) S * In TB!'s virus protection settings, you can order the plugins by moving S them up and down. I have moved the AVG plugin to the topmost slot. Will this S mean that AVG will be used soley to scan email or that both scanners will be S used and AVG will be used before Kapersky? S * When manually scanning accounts using Folder/Check for Viruses there are S no options to select which AV scanner to use for the scanning task. Does S this mean that the all AV scanners will be used to check accounts or only S the topmost plugin under virus protection settings. S Thanks :) S - -- S Slán, S Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk S ___ S Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 S PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/index.shtml S -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- S Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! S Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 S Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 S iQA/AwUBPbA63ctub/5cfolmEQICRgCfamkbI4E2tmOPaSX+qEKVx8YCMUsAn0I+ S rlRfc55qLTQ/J/GZHpXYx2HM S =sDkk S -END PGP SIGNATURE- S S Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: S http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: On read filter.
Hi Thomas, On Friday, October 18, 2002 09:44 your local time, which was Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 19:44 my local time, Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote; Simply tell the 'Read message' filter to filter only message 'not flagged' and you're done. Is there a quick key combination to do this? TF You can assign a hotkey to that filter. I've assigned a Hot-Key of ctrl+sft+alt+F. All is does is filter the message that I'm currently on to that folder. Not the desired result. Also, what does Ctrl+G do? TF It toggles the flag on and off. Try it with this message (you'll see TF it only if you have the flag column visible in your folder headers). This works fine. The filter was working fine, not I've set it to manual and assigned a hot-key, but it's no playing ball :-| Any suggestions? Thanks, Chris. -- E-Mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Created Using The Bat! V1.61 and Virus Checked by DrWeb. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Relaying denied?
Hello Dave, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:13:17 -0700 GMT (19/10/02, 05:13 +0700 GMT), Dave Crocker wrote: The problem with running an SMTP server on your own machine is that you have then made yourself into an ISP. I am not sure about this. ISP = Internet Service Provider. The only service I would provide in that case is SMTP service to myself. I thought an ISP is a company that offers internet services to the public, such as dial-up services. That is, you must have very good, full-time access. Not so. You need to be connected while you are sending messages, and until they are sent. That's all. (BTW this is the reason for me not to run my own SMTP server: I'm on dial-up.) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. All generalizations are false. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Relaying denied?
Hello Vishal, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:00:33 -0700 GMT (19/10/02, 07:00 +0700 GMT), Vishal Nakra wrote: Thanks! I tried that..let's hope it works. This doesn't happen all the time, btw, which is what I found weird. I was using 'same settings as POP' instead of 'use specific'. Any idea why my option wouldn't work? If you are talking about the Myreal account, then the details should be the same anyway. I was also having this problem with my university email account. I'll try using specific settings there too and see if it does anything. If you are using your university email account but want to use myreal's SMTP server, you *have to* use 'specific settings' and insert your myreal details. Otherwise myreal will refuse to accept your mail for sending. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Was ist das Problem der heutigen Gesellschaft - mangelndes Wissen oder mangelndes Interesse? - Weiss ich nicht, ist mir auch egal. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with Trojan Email
Hello John, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:39:56 -0500 GMT (19/10/02, 04:39 +0700 GMT), John P. Case, M.D. wrote: I have received two emails from a friend that cause TB to freeze completely. I cannot even delete them, TB is so frozen. Once I was able to restart TB and quickly change to another account and that was okay--but any time I try to return to my main account, the offending message (one of them) is highlighted and immediately freezes things. A virus that freezes TB? I would like to know which one that is. What can I do? That account has all my email in it. I have renamed it and re-formed it in order to make the account that I am sending this email to and receive tbudl, but obviously I need to be able to recover my old emails. Rename the message.tbb file for now (while TB is closed), so at least you can use TB without problems. We'll think about how you can retrieve the old mails. A virus was found neither by Norton nor PCillin, both with recent virus updates. I don't know about Norton, but PC-Cillin have a virus doctor service. Send them a copy of the .tbb file and ask them to check. However, I have a feeling something else is wrong and this is not a virus in an email. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. The most precious thing we have is life. Yet it has absolutely no trade-in value. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding AV Plugins for TB!
Hi Simon, On Friday, October 18, 2002 17:46 your local time, which was 09:46 my local time, Simon Simon wrote; Regarding AV Plugins for TB!: * Can you use multiple AV plugins/scanners with TB!? I believe you can, as I was for a while, but it was a bit of overkill with potential conflicts, which isn't nice as I experienced earlier today! :-( Killed my PC until I managed to restart (removing the battery from my laptop) into safe mode. Then did a system restore, removed unwanted virus scanners and now running like a dream again. DrWeb seems very nice and also checks compressed files before execution, which is currently being discussed, but something I was personally looking for. * When launching TB! I can see a spash/loader screen appear briefly for Kapersky but not for AVG. Does anyone know if this is normal? (I only installed the plugin for AVG today. I've been manually scanning the mail folders with AVG up until now) All I see is that I've a plug-in but it doesn't say what program. I'm running DrWeb with the plug-in after using both AVG and NOD32. * In TB!'s virus protection settings, you can order the plugins by moving them up and down. I have moved the AVG plugin to the topmost slot. Will this mean that AVG will be used soley to scan email or that both scanners will be used and AVG will be used before Kapersky? Sorry, can't help on that one, but would've thought both would still scan, with AVG taking pole position :-) * When manually scanning accounts using Folder/Check for Viruses there are no options to select which AV scanner to use for the scanning task. Does this mean that the all AV scanners will be used to check accounts or only the topmost plugin under virus protection settings. Good question. Not sure how much help that was, but I gave it a shot. Chris. -- E-Mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Created Using The Bat! V1.61 and Virus Checked by DrWeb. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding AV Plugins for TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mary, 18-Oct-2002, 19:40 -0500 (01:40 UK time) Mary Bull [MB] in mid:16644228048.20021018194056;premiernet.net said: MB I am a Bat newbie, and this is my first post to this list. ... snip Welcome to the list and sorry to do this to a list newcomer, but it has to be said S S Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: S http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html moderator You're using the top posting reply format. It is called top posting because you let the quotes appear at the bottom and type your reply at the top. I personally loathe top-posting. It is a hangover from days when people didn't say much in email. The worst thing about it is that it forces people to scroll down and then back up to your response to find out what you're talking about. Please don't reply like that on this list. I also encourage you to wean yourself off it in your private correspondence too out of consideration to those who have to read your messages, but that's your choice. It only ever works when you don't have much to say and can trim the original text to tighter context so that the whole message can be read in one. As a result of top posting, your message includes all signatures and previous list footers of the message you are replying to - another no-no and this one is against the list rules. Please trim your replies. /moderator - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta6 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0-nr2 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9sKx8OeQkq5KdzaARAqksAKD7PK2TsTFHgunCaJNUpTxJdFU8YwCg23R4 1ju+4yzTZdsPbWQw7OT73rM= =OcPo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Removing top posting--how?
As a result of top posting, your message includes all signatures and previous list footers of the message you are replying to - another no-no and this one is against the list rules. Please trim your replies. /moderator Can you please tell me how to do this? (In order to avoid offending again, I have copied and pasted the pertinent part of your earlier message to me. I hope that is not also a no-no.) I am a true newbie and am using version 1.61 of The Bat! on a trial basis. Thought I could get some help here, but maybe this List is too advanced for me. Do you have a Rank Beginner's List available? Would you prefer that I just unsubscribe, having caused you so much trouble? Mary Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
Hello Mary, On Friday, October 18 2002 at 06:21 PM PDT, you wrote: Would you prefer that I just unsubscribe, having caused you so much trouble? Heavens no Mary... I know that was not Marck's intention at all. What you should do is design a Reply Template and use it in your Address Book. By that I mean once completed to your liking, use that Template in your Address Book under each Mailing List entry. Here is an example: On %ODATE, at %OTIMELONG, %AbofromFirstName wrote: %WRAPPED=%QUOTES %CURSOR %PUT=C:\My Documents\My Signatures\Personal Signature.txt %SINGLERE If you are a mouse person as I am, simply set your wheel mouse button for F4, so that all you have to do is highlight the portion of a message you wish to comment on, then hit the wheel mouse button: Voila! Your Reply is all set for you to start typing, and no more worries about top posting. -- Nick Andriash Creston, B.C. Canada PGP Public Key: MailTo:andriash;shaw.ca?subject=PGPKey Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with Trojan Email
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, October 18, 2002, Roelof Otten wrote... JPCMD I have received two emails from a friend that cause TB to freeze JPCMD completely. I cannot even delete them, TB is so frozen. Once I was First thing you do is to close TB and zip both the messages.tbb and the messages.tbi files in the folder that causes TB to freeze. Since this is obviously a bug, you attach it to a mail addressed to the developers (in the menu: help - feedback - bug report) so it can be fixed in a next version. That won't help you right now, but it's a start. (Of course when that folder contains real sensitive info, you could consider not to do so, but that's up to you.) Another option is to copy the TBB file to another location. Rename that file to messages.uue, and open the file in winzip. You should see a lot of text files in it. Each text file is an email (except maybe the first). You can then extract the uue file to a safe location, for easy of working with, extract it to currentdir\messages\. Go into the folder, and find the offending mails, delete/move out of the messages folder. Select all the files in the folder, and create a ZIP file out of them and call it messages.zip. Then reopen the zip file in winzip and go to Actions - UUEncode. It'll ask you what file to create, let it create it as messages.uue. Go back to your folder with the problem mails in it (make sure you have TB! closed btw). Copy the TBB file to a safe location for backup, copy the messages.uue file into the offending folder, and rename to messages.tbb. You might need to delete messages.tbi... then try opening TheBat again... and in theory you *should* be back up and running again, no loss of mail (except the offenders), and if you just moved the two offending mails instead of deleting them, you can open in notepad and have a look at them... and if you've nice, send them onto RitLabs for bug testing :) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPbC4WSuD6BT4/R9zEQJjyACePHzBNridIGojFmgMXaTf5EhxJq0AmwVw qk6zmNvlEWlEPg//CnVoxGRC =NDOU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
Hey Mary, My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091' was used to write mid:12946673621.20021018202141;premiernet.net on Friday, October 18, 2002 at 9:21:41 PM. MB As a result of top posting, your message includes all signatures and MB previous list footers of the message you are replying to - another MB no-no and this one is against the list rules. Please trim your replies. MB /moderator MB Can you please tell me how to do this? (In order to avoid offending MB again, I have copied and pasted the pertinent part of your earlier MB message to me. I hope that is not also a no-no.) Well, the first step is to set up a template for your reply mail that puts a correct sig in with the appropriate cut mark. Here is a Quick Template I have on it... ,- [People on this list are much happier if you use a Cut Mark] | This is a special sequence that starts on a new line and consists of | two dashes (minus signs) and a space followed by another new line. | | NewLinedashdashspaceNewLine | | This cut mark is recognized by many eMail programs and is used as a | cut off point for signatures. That way, when someone replies to one of | your messages, your signature (anything below the cut mark) is | removed. Likewise, when you reply to a message from someone that | includes cut mark, The Bat! will remove anything below the cut mark | from the text you quote. `- [see FAQ @ www.silverstones.com/thebat/samples.html#newmess] Note, the cut mark just above my sig at the bottom of this msg... MB I am a true newbie and am using version 1.61 of The Bat! on a MB trial basis. Thought I could get some help here, but maybe this MB List is too advanced for me. Do you have a Rank Beginner's List MB available? No, no, no. This is the list you want! If things get a bit to Techie, then the moderators push 'em to the TBTech list. MB Would you prefer that I just unsubscribe, having caused you so much MB trouble? Please don't drop off the list, it is full of great people and very helpfull. It is the moderators job to keep order, you just happened to catch two of the 'pet peeves' (top posting and the cut mark). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Flying with The Bat! eMail v1.61 Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food? Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with Trojan Email
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, October 18, 2002, Thomas Fernandez wrote... I have received two emails from a friend that cause TB to freeze completely. I cannot even delete them, TB is so frozen. Once I was able to restart TB and quickly change to another account and that was okay--but any time I try to return to my main account, the offending message (one of them) is highlighted and immediately freezes things. A virus that freezes TB? I would like to know which one that is. I'd probably guess it not to be a virus, but maybe a bad encoding type or some format in the email itself that is causing it to screw up. What can I do? That account has all my email in it. I have renamed it and re-formed it in order to make the account that I am sending this email to and receive tbudl, but obviously I need to be able to recover my old emails. Rename the message.tbb file for now (while TB is closed), so at least you can use TB without problems. We'll think about how you can retrieve the old mails. See the email I just posted... messages.tbb are uuencoded files (thanks RitLabs... makes working with them nice). Winzip and a fair few other zip utilities read uuencoded files, so you can just play about with it there :) Somebody mentioned this a while ago, just a random bit of knowledge that got stuck in my head ;) A virus was found neither by Norton nor PCillin, both with recent virus updates. I don't know about Norton, but PC-Cillin have a virus doctor service. Send them a copy of the .tbb file and ask them to check. However, I have a feeling something else is wrong and this is not a virus in an email. I'd probably send it to RitLabs before sending it to PC-Cilling because it may be something simple as a bad header, or bad content that makes TB fail a proper read of the email. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPbC5VSuD6BT4/R9zEQJMbgCgrSc33JxO+bmHRJH0kaJzrgRExY8AoLvw Gx6QJPQ5yLcXLOmtR9HHTj9Z =JuSc -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
Hello Tim On Friday, October 18, 2002, you wrote Well, the first step is to set up a template for your reply mail that puts a correct sig in with the appropriate cut mark. Here is a Quick Template I have on it... ,- [People on this list are much happier if you use a Cut Mark] | This is a special sequence that starts on a new line and consists of | two dashes (minus signs) and a space followed by another new line. | | NewLinedashdashspaceNewLine | | This cut mark is recognized by many eMail programs and is used as a | cut off point for signatures. This was interesting. How many other mail programs recognize the cut mark? I've always manually erased extraneous material even on mailing lists that traditionally use top posting and I have been doing it here. Are you saying that for the most part, it isn't necessary? Elaine Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
Hello Mary, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 at 20:21:41[GMT -0500](which was 02:21 where I live) you wrote: MB I am a true newbie and am using version 1.61 of The Bat! on a trial MB basis. Thought I could get some help here, but maybe this List is too MB advanced for me. Do you have a Rank Beginner's List available? I am not much less of a newby that you :-) This is a very good programme and you will find lots of helpful people on the list. MB Would you prefer that I just unsubscribe, having caused you so much MB trouble? I don't think you've caused any trouble at all, just jumped in at the deep end and got a mouthful of water! What Nick says about templates in his follow up message may seem like double dutch (some of it still does to me too) but have a look at the help files on the web including a newbies list : http://www.mailmejobs.com/tbmaq.htm and, of course, TB! home page by clicking on Help/www home page. It's a good programme and the more you use it the more you'll like it but it can still be very frustrating :-) -- Best regards, Richard Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Removing top posting--how?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 19 October 2002 at 2:34 p.m. Nick wrote: NA Heavens no Mary... I know that was not Marck's intention at all. NA What you should do is design a Reply Template and use it in your NA Address Book. By that I mean once completed to your liking, use NA that Template in your Address Book under each Mailing List entry. NA Here is an example: NA On %ODATE, at %OTIMELONG, %AbofromFirstName wrote: NA %WRAPPED=%QUOTES NA %CURSOR NA %PUT=C:\My Documents\My Signatures\Personal Signature.txt NA %SINGLERE NA If you are a mouse person as I am, simply set your wheel mouse NA button for F4, so that all you have to do is highlight the portion NA of a message you wish to comment on, then hit the wheel mouse NA button: Voila! Your Reply is all set for you to start typing, and NA no more worries about top posting. Sometimes I really think that we expect *way* too much here of TB! beginners! Even though your explanation above is correct and clearly set out, I think that for a total beginner to TB! and especially to template construction, it can be enough to send them on their merry way back to OE! I am not criticising you Nick, but maybe there really *is* a need for a total newbie's help file of some sort. When I first set TB! up, these kinds of explanations simply blew me away and I had no idea what anyone was talking about. If it were not for Melissa's ongoing patience and her frequent emails containing re-written for newbies instructions, I would never have made it off the ground. For someone who has perhaps come straight from OE ( or worse still, something like Incredimail) - template instructions may very well look like a foreign language! JMHO. - -- Carren PGP public key: mailto:MyPGPkey;myrealbox.com?subject=PGP_Key_Body=Please%20send%20key -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0-nr2 (Windows 98) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9sMENyogQhPvf03MRAvNiAJ45cNsSn4RkV01fxyntwzzZbP2ZZwCgprGv FT26K/40z+ZXSaWPZe7Qxi8= =hqoO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Using GnuPG through TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 19 October 2002 at 4:37 a.m. Joseph wrote: JN 3. Only one key came up in the dialog box, without a drop-down JN menu. It was the key currently set as default in GPG. Is there any JN way to either specify a particular key for TB! or to see a menu of JN choices? The concern is that I might change my option set to JN another key, which would then set up the wrong key for TB!; yes, I JN know that I would be alerted to that, but then I'd have to load JN GPGshell, etc. etc. I don't know if this will work, as I use my GnuPG from the tray, but maybe if you enter *all* your keys as default keys, you will then get a dialogue box with an option to check the key you want. I have done that so that when I use the tray to sign/encrypt, I get a box with both my default keys selected, where I can choose which one I wish to use for this particular email. If you set multiple keys as default maybe you will then get the same. - -- Carren PGP public key: mailto:MyPGPkey;myrealbox.com?subject=PGP_Key_Body=Please%20send%20key -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0-nr2 (Windows 98) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9sMInyogQhPvf03MRAmckAJ0bZQCY/ky8ffm0Yyp2QSwnC/YmcgCgnhVd EDaLlzZ0C4dtAfy59iANyTs= =18ng -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
Hello ETM, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 at 21:50:17 [GMT -0400], you wrote: E This was interesting. How many other mail programs recognize the E cut mark? I've always manually erased extraneous material even on E mailing lists that traditionally use top posting and I have been E doing it here. Are you saying that for the most part, it isn't E necessary? I would venture to say the vast majority. However, most people incorrectly type it, so it doesn't work. For instance, when you reply to my message, the last two lines you'll see from my message are Cheers, and Leif Gregory. The reason I leave those two lines *above* the cut mark, is that my name will be right above where most people will begin typing, so as to avoid a total mangulation of my first name grin. For your cut mark, all you need is a -- (sans the quotes), and automagically, when someone replies to your message, everything below it disappears into the ether somewhere. Concerning your templates, if you place the %CURSOR macro *below* the %QUOTES macro, you'll never have to worry about top posting again. Don't worry, you didn't do anything devastating, nobody hates you! grin It's just generally considered very inconsiderate to top post nowadays. Next time though, you'll get the trout! wistful sigh Geez, I haven't had to pull out the trout for a good thrashing in years. It's getting pretty rank and slimy! ;-) Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a P4 1.6Ghz OC'd to 2.32Ghz with 512MB. Tagline of the day: PROOF TECHNIQUE #2 - 'Proof By Contradiction' State your theorum wait for someone to disagree. Contradict them. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
Hello Carren, On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 at 15:18:58 [GMT +1300], you wrote: CS If it were not for Melissa's ongoing patience and her frequent CS emails containing re-written for newbies instructions, I would CS never have made it off the ground. For someone who has perhaps CS come straight from OE ( or worse still, something like CS Incredimail) - template instructions may very well look like a CS foreign language! JMHO. And I see you've progressed nicely all the way to PGP! yay!!! +100 points Moderator But you forgot to trim your quoted material! -20 points grin /Moderator Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a P4 1.6Ghz OC'd to 2.32Ghz with 512MB. Tagline of the day: If what you don't know can't hurt you, she's practically invulnerable. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ATT Broadband connections problems
Hello Paul Thank you for your email dated Wednesday, October 16, 2002, 7:37:10 PM, in which you wrote: PC Allie was kind enough to direct me to his web page for setting up Mercury SMTP I've checked the archives but can't find the URL. Is it still available? -- Regards William Flying with The Bat! 1.61 www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
