Re:how do i actually purge server side IMAP box?
Hi Samson, anyone could show me how to purge server IMAP inbox? thanks! With focus on the folder you wish to purge, go Folder|Compress. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.18 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: bayesit d/l URL
Hello Martin, Sunday, September 28, 2003, 7:22:59 PM, you wrote: MW ,- [ BayesIt ] MW | [ http://klirik.narod.ru/usefuls/bayesiteng.htm ], as before, is the english MW | page of BayesIt which reflect the current version. MW | Direct links (if anybody wants) are MW http://klirik.narod.ru/arc/bayesit04fm.exe MW | (SFX-rar self-installable archive) or MW http://klirik.narod.ru/arc/bayesit04fm.zip MW | (simple ZIP-archive, you need to run install.bat when you unpack the file). MW `- This latest version works perfectly with my bat 2.0.08 ;) thx for the link ! -- Best regards, ArchYmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Oddity - replying sens empty message
Hi Batpersons, In recent days, I've had messages telling me that my replies have come through like this: Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:24:38 +0100 From: Nick Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Syncing Questions (I'm a testing Ecco for the 1st time) [This message is not in displayable format] That is, there's no body. The problem has occurred with a Yahoo Group mailing list. Has anyone come across this? The problem might be with Yahoo, or with the receiving mail client (haven't investigated that yet), but I wondered whether there might be anything in TB! that anyone knew of. FWIW, I've been using the Windows editor (proportional fonts), and I'd never come across this in Bat versions eralier than 2. Any help appreciated; thanks in advance -- Best regards, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.00.18 on Windows XP Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: how do i actually purge server side IMAP box?
Hello Clive, CT With focus on the folder you wish to purge, go Folder|Compress. it works. i should have tried this at the first time... i thought it was for local purge... thanks for the help. (Using The Bat! v2.00.18 on Windows NT Clone 5.2 Build 3790 ) -- Best regards, Samsonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oddity - replying sens empty message
Hi Nick, @29-Sep-2003, 09:38 Nick Gordon [NG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: NG In recent days, I've had messages telling me that my replies NG have come through like this: ... snip NG [This message is not in displayable format] NG That is, there's no body. The problem has occurred with a Yahoo NG Group mailing list. Has anyone come across this? The problem NG might be with Yahoo, or with the receiving mail client (It's the latter). The recipient can't decode the Base64 encoding. Maybe because a routing server is removing the Encoding header from the message on the way (either from you to Yahoo or from Yahoo to the recipient). NG (haven't investigated that yet), but I wondered whether there NG might be anything in TB! that anyone knew of. Not TB's fault but you can compensate for it. Switch from base 64 to Quoted printable encoding. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.18 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Worm filter text
Neal Laugman, [NL] wrote: AM My mailserver, MDaemon uses spam assassin technology, in AM combination with blacklist checking and a Bayesian filtering AM mechanism. NL I will investigate MDaemon http://www.altn.com/ further. They offer NL an interesting package. Do you run this commercially? No. I run it privately. I have two domains, the mail for which I manage with it. It's admittedly expensive if you wish to use the anti-spam features which are available only via a pro license. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Oddity - replying sens empty message
Hi Batpersons, On or about, Monday, September 29, 2003, 11:35:49 AM, we have reason to believe that Marck D Pearlstone wrote: NG That is, there's no body. The problem has occurred with a Yahoo NG Group mailing list. Has anyone come across this? The problem NG might be with Yahoo, or with the receiving mail client MDP (It's the latter). The recipient can't decode the Base64 encoding. MDP Maybe because a routing server is removing the Encoding header from MDP the message on the way (either from you to Yahoo or from Yahoo to MDP the recipient). Thanks for that - makes a lot of sense NG (haven't investigated that yet), but I wondered whether there NG might be anything in TB! that anyone knew of. MDP Not TB's fault but you can compensate for it. Switch from base 64 to MDP Quoted printable encoding. Will do - and thanks again Nick -- Best regards, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.00.18 on Windows XP Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Info about TB! 2.00.18?
I see that a few folks are using 2.00.18. What's fixed in this? Release notes anywhere? -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam
Hello, Miguel, Paul John and Mark: Thank you, all, for your help with the filtering roundup I had proposed. I want to implement Bayesian filtering and am looking for best practices and products. of course that's always going to be somewhat subjective. So these are the solutions mentioned which are working well for some of you: Popfile, SpamPal, K9 and the Bat's Known filter approach. Any other final thoughts or suggestions, anybody else? -- Best wishes, David Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Info about TB! 2.00.18?
Hi Dave, @29-Sep-2003, 07:44 -0400 (12:44 UK time) Dave Kennedy [DK] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: DK I see that a few folks are using 2.00.18. What's fixed in this? DK Release notes anywhere? Please review the TBBETA archive since this version is only available as a beta release. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.18 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Info about TB! 2.00.18?
9/29/2003, 7:44 AM: Dave said in Info about TB! 2.00.18? DK I see that a few folks are using 2.00.18. What's fixed in this? DK Release notes anywhere? It's over in TBBETA, mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- not an official release, they just didn't use 'beta numbering' for this particular maintenance build. -- | Peace, Be well | Allen | http://jarday.com | http://theprawn.com | | Running The_Bat! version 2.00.18 | with Anti-Spam Plugin BayesIt! 0.4fm | Windows XP Service Pack 1 build 2600 -- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Info about TB! 2.00.18?
Monday, September 29, 2003, 7:56:55 AM, Marck wrote: M @29-Sep-2003, 07:44 -0400 (12:44 UK time) Dave Kennedy [DK] in M mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: DK I see that a few folks are using 2.00.18. What's fixed in DK this? Release notes anywhere? M Please review the TBBETA archive since this version is only M available as a beta release. Didn't realize it was beta. I don't have the b/w to do beta testing at this time. Maybe in the future -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Info about TB! 2.00.18?
Hi Marck, On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, at 12:56:55 [GMT+0100] (which was 21:56:55 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: DK I see that a few folks are using 2.00.18. What's fixed in this? DK Release notes anywhere? Please review the TBBETA archive since this version is only available as a beta release. In a way, I believe the version numbering system is wrong. Maybe current version should be 2.00.06, not 2.00.6, if 2.00.18 is later than current? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 How do they get the deer to cross at the signs? Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Invalid HTML message
Since these Invalid HTML messages are pretty garish and otherwise unidentified, I had been treating them as spam up till now. After checking the mail source, I'm believing that it IS being generated by The Bat! Before I go forwarding messages anywhere, I would like to get that confirmed. And, if so, is there a particular address at RIT Labs to which I should send them. Should I forward or redirect? -- Best regards, Lawrence Johnson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Invalid HTML message
Hello all, Monday, September 29, 2003, Lawrence Johnson wrote: Since these Invalid HTML messages are pretty garish and otherwise unidentified, I had been treating them as spam up till now. After checking the mail source, I'm believing that it IS being generated by The Bat! Before I go forwarding messages anywhere, I would like to get that confirmed. And, if so, is there a particular address at RIT Labs to which I should send them. Should I forward or redirect? this problem was already fixed, it is not needed to send that message to Ritlabs support. Wait for new version, it will be released this week AFAIK. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 2.00.18 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 AMD ThunderBird 1,2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: view threads by
On Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 02:24 (which was Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 9:24 where I am) Ken Green [KG] wrote: KG It appears that there may have been something to the use account KG default settings but I'm not sure. It does. For folders that do _not_ have the 'Use the account default column settings' set, the column selections, the width of the columns, on which column the mails are sorted and in which order as well as the threading setting are folder-specific. Folders that _do_ have the 'Use the account default column settings' set, share the column selections, width of te columns, sorting column and order and threading settings. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.00.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: V2 Some observations
ON Friday, September 26, 2003, 5:44:14 PM, you wrote: M Hello Gerard, It gets obvious if you do it with 20-30 or more. M Not here, sorry. Well, then it must be the beer ;-) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Deuce - A score of two for any hole. Too many of these on your scorecard means you're probably only counting your tee shots. Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Worm filter text
Hello Neal, On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, at 11:17:50 [GMT -0800] (which was 20:17 in my TimeZone) you wrote: NL Hi, NL Here are the two text files I have cobbled together that will stop NL most of the swen worms. Still getting one or two a minute and none got NL through in the last 8 hours since I went off-line last night. NL There are two selective download filters: form and to. Originator.txt and NL addressee.txt are the external files you would use respectively. NL My apologies to the list for trying to upload a zip file yesterday; I NL now understand attachments are not allowed here. I have'nt seen one since training POPFile, then deleting those messages on the server. -- Best regards, Michael http://www.thompsonmike.co.uk/ PGP KeyID := 0xA9547E32 Smokey the Bear says, Strip mining prevents forest fires! pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam
Hello David, Monday, September 29, 2003, 17:11, you wrote: DRA Any other final thoughts or suggestions, anybody else? This is my 3rd day with BayesIt, it is effective - and kind of fun to use. I actually look forward to spam so I can train the filter! -- Regards, Mogens Using The Bat! Version 2.00.18 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Gibberish
I sent a message to a mailing list from TheBat! 2.00, it ended up like this
(original below). Sending this from Horde to see if that works.
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The original message was:
The balding is a red herring, as all we see on Diane's page is a person with
no hair on their head. That can be because the head was shaved,
illness, etc.
Native Americans do have facial hair to varying degrees..
The Siriono of Bolivia have beards.
See Nomads of the long bow: The Siriono of eastern Bolivia, by
Allan R. Holmberg. IV+104 pp., 7 pls., 4 charts, 1 map. 1950
Amazonian Indians have beards. I
Go to http://www.der.org/photography and click on the section on Latin American
photgraphs - see the top photo..
Lots of photos here:
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/S?ammem/curt:@field([EMAIL PROTECTED](Beards))
Make sure you copy and paste the whole link, as clicking won't work
probably. It needs all the parentheses.
Pacific Northwest tribes such as Nootka, Klikitat, Kwakiutl, Haida,
all show descriptions of bearded tribesfolk on first-contact.
Bearded Indians in the Caribbean:
http://www.caribbeanconsulting.com/Sabaxyz/Will/EarlyHistory.htm
There are many stories of bearded Indians. Some are probably about groups
of people with some European heritage, but all of them? Likewise you can
find many reports about Indians plucking their beards out. This one isn't
scientific but it is typical:
http://www.everettarea.org/tales/v02/v02c12.htm
Captain John Smith wrote:
[The Powhatans are] generally tall and straight, of a comely proportion,
and of a colour browne...Their haire is generally black, but few have any
beards
http://state.vipnet.org/dhr/arch_NET/timeline/contact_indian.htm
In other words, a few did have beards.
More beards in Brazil:
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/library/brazilwood.htm
Despite believing that if they grew beards or had their hair long at the
front 'they might be seized and captured by these', some Tupinamb
emulated the appearance of their French allies by growing beards. However,
they plucked out all other facial and body hair.
Beards in southern Mexico, the Mixe:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10408a.htm
bearded California Indians
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:U1LtKOqifgwJ:www.spk.usace.army.
mil/cespk-pao/dec02/dec02-09.html+Ohlone+beardshl=enie=UTF-8
and also at http://www.portchicago.org/lastwave/chapters/LastWave_Ch1.pdf
or non .pdf
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org/lastwave/chapters/LastWave_Ch1.pdf+Ohlone+beardshl=enie=UTF-8
I imagine I've just scratched the surface as all I've done is searched
the web.
Then there are the genetic relationships. What we know for sure shows
relationships with Asian groups, who also have in general less facial
hair than Europeans, but can grow beards. If Kennewick man is
Re: Gibberish
Hi Doug, on Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:03:40 +0100GMT (29.09.03, 18:03 +0200GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : DW N¬?ë,[EMAIL PROTECTED] ²Ä5*.²)©?'è¯ Looks like an unsupported character set...? -- Cheers Peter When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant, I could hardly stand to have the old man around. When I was 21, I was amazed at how much he had learned in seven years. Mark Twain pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Info about TB! 2.00.18?
29-Sep-2003 14:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a way, I believe the version numbering system is wrong. Maybe current version should be 2.00.06, not 2.00.6, if 2.00.18 is later than current? That discussion is as old as version numbering itself. :-) Just do not treat version numbers like decimal numbers. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Gibberish
Hello Doug, On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:03:40 +0100 GMT (29/09/2003, 23:03 +0700 GMT), Doug Weller wrote: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I sent a message to a mailing list from TheBat! 2.00, it ended up like this (original below). Sending this from Horde to see if that works. Try changing to Quoted-Printable: Accont / Properties / Mail Management / 8-bit characters are treated as... -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wenn morgens frueh der Wecker rasselt, ist der schoenste Tag vermasselt. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.18 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Gibberish
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Peter, @29-Sep-2003, 18:57 +0200 (17:57 UK time) Peter Meyns [PM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Doug: DW N¬?ë,[EMAIL PROTECTED] DW ²Ä5*.²)©?'è¯ PM Looks like an unsupported character set...? Looks *more* like an unsupported encoding or stripped encoding header. Try the same QP fix I recommended here: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.18 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBP3hukDnkJKuSnc2gEQKZjACgrXkzHTUS2hlQZXWeFFTLh235QKgAniSH nQxsa2jSE1qDaeSO0TYayBkS =z0Vs -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Reading delivery report failures
Hello tbudl list, What is the best way to read such failures - in this case created using a MS Exchange server? I.E, in Agent, I had the option to view the raw message, in TB, I get two attachments visible with .at extentions. What can I do? Thanks, Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
First impressions
Bats- (sigh) I have to say that so far I'm not very impressed with v2.00.6. Mind you, this is after only about half an hour's look at it, but I don't at all like the way it handles MIME digests. In 1.6x I can double-click the contents in the preview pane on the left to view the subject and who wrote the messge, etc. All v2 shows me is a bunch of messages, each named 1.MSG. Then there are various tabs at the bottom of the message pane, again each named 1.MSG. This is not only unhelpful, but is a giant step backwards from the info displayed in TB v1.6x. Is there some hidden setting that will show something more meaningful or is that Just The Way It Is? This is me moving back to v1.63b9. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Gibberish
Hi Marck, Monday, September 29, 2003, 6:40:30 PM, you wrote: Looks *more* like an unsupported encoding or stripped encoding header. Try the same QP fix I recommended here: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks (and thank you Thomas), I saw that this morning and decided I was going to do it tonight, but that was too late for yesterday's post! Thanks Peter, I had wondered about that but I think that the QP solution is more likely to work. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam
Hello, Mogens: Monday, September 29, 2003, 11:15:53 AM, you wrote: MH This is my 3rd day with BayesIt, it is effective - and kind of fun MH to use. I actually look forward to spam so I can train the filter! Thank you for this reminder. Others seems to recommend BayesIt too, and I don't know how I forgot to put it on my list. -- Best wishes, David Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam
Hello David, On 29 Sep 2003 at 15:25:29 -0400 GMT [21:25 CEST] you wrote: DRA Thank you for this reminder. Others seems to recommend BayesIt too, DRA and I don't know how I forgot to put it on my list. You are using v1.62i. Antispam plugins are only saupported since 2.0. So unless you intent to upgrade to tb 2.0 BayesIt isn't an option for you. I am using Popfile since Saturday. Setting it up was painless and it's working a treat. I am currently at 94.42% accuracy and since it doesn't appear to make much mistakes anymore that number rises with nearly every mail I get. -- Cheers, Andre If it's raining, a cute thing to tell a child is 'God is crying.' If they ask why, another cute thing to say is, 'Probably something you did.' Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ISO-8859-15 charset
Hello Andrew, Thursday, September 25, 2003, 8:49:11 AM, you wrote: Hello tbudl list, Does anyone know why this is the default charset for TB mail? What is the cignificance of this charset, and is it safe to tell TB to use no encoding on mails? Thanks, Andrew. I have been struggling myself, trying to *make* theBat use ISO-8859-15, but i cannot seem to make it happen. Does it have to do with it not being present in my xlat-tables ? Should it be there? -- Geir Bækholt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Monday, September 29, 2003, 4:46:01 AM, David wrote: So these are the solutions mentioned which are working well for some of you: Popfile, SpamPal, K9 and the Bat's Known filter approach. Any other final thoughts or suggestions, anybody else? David, I missed your earlier request. I Just switched from PopFile to SpamBayes ( http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ ). It's been kind of a pain to set up--for me, at least--but I finally got it working today and it has great possibilities. The thing that I like about it is that it doesn't just have the Spam and Ham (or nonspam) categories of PopFile, but it has a third: Unsure. I don't get a lot of spam, but with PopFile, after 3 months I was still getting false positives dumped into my Spam folder, so I was still checking it regular--defeating the whole purpose of the filter. Presumably, after a little training (and I got a good start with about 250 spam messages I'd collected previously), I will only need to occasionally check my Unsure folder, and VERY rarely my Spam folder. -- Keith Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on a 2.4 GHZ Pentium IV with 512 MB. Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Quick Search
Do many people on this list use the Quick Search feature? I noticed a thread about some UI issues, but I'm wondering about the actual functionality of Quick Search. I love TB's search speed and use the regular search quite a bit. But after reading a few posts here, I thought I'd give Quick Search a try. It appears that if I want to search for a word and just start typing, the first closest match is selecting. As I get more specific, the selected item may change to match the search string. But how do I *quickly* find the next occurrence? Unless I am missing something, or doing it wrong, the only way I can tell to find the next occurrence of the quick search string is to move focus to the messages list, select the next message down, then go back to the quick serach box and delete some characters. Surely I'm missing something important. The method I describe above is anything but Quick Searching. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam
Hello, Andre: Monday, September 29, 2003, 5:11:24 PM, you wrote: AW You are using v1.62i. Antispam plugins are only saupported since AW 2.0. So none of these are usable until I upgrade: BayesIt, Popfile, SpamPal, K9, and the Bat's Known filter approach. Correct? Thank you. -- Best wishes, David Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quick Search
Hello ken, On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Do many people on this list use the Quick Search feature? Yes, in fact I have it on my toolbar. But how do I *quickly* find the next occurrence? Right click on the Quicksearch box and you will get the options. Find next = CTRL+ENTER Find previous = CTRL+SHIFT+ENTER -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 2.00.18 SpamPal | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 | and using the best browser: Opera7 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam
Hello, Keith: Monday, September 29, 2003, 5:33:27 PM, you wrote: (snip) KRI Just switched from PopFile KR to SpamBayes (snip) KR(http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ ). It's been kind KR of (snip) KRa pain to set up--for me, at least--but I finally got it KR KRworking today and it has great possibilities. Thanks for catching up with me here. Sounds like SpamBayes has a powerful ability to learn. Yes, that Unsure Folder (or Unknown folder) is an important one, isn't it? KR --defeating the whole purpose of the filter. Wouldn't that be ironic?! KR Presumably, after a little training (and I got a good start with KR about 250 spam messages I'd collected previously), I will only KR need to occasionally check my Unsure folder, and VERY rarely my KR Spam folder. Eventualy Unsure should need only weekly checking, eh? I would be happy to supply a lot of spam messages to folks who need some samples for training purposes! ;-) -- Best wishes, David Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quick Search
Hello ken, Monday, September 29, 2003, 7:07:43 PM, you wrote: kg It appears that if I want to search for a word and just start typing, kg the first closest match is selecting. As I get more specific, the kg selected item may change to match the search string. kg But how do I *quickly* find the next occurrence? Unless I am missing kg something, or doing it wrong, the only way I can tell to find the next kg occurrence of the quick search string is to move focus to the messages kg list, select the next message down, then go back to the quick serach box kg and delete some characters. CTRL-ENTER will move to the next occurrence. But note that the Quick Search is kinda buggy. Or has been. I've noticed it ignoring a whole section of the message list, and advancing through only a few of the existing valid message search occurrences. And it definitely does not offer RegExp. I believe that it looks for hits in From, To, or Subject. -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam
On Monday, September 29, 2003, 5:46:17 PM, David R. Austen wrote: DRA So none of these are usable until I upgrade: DRA BayesIt, Popfile, SpamPal, K9, and the Bat's Known filter approach. DRA Correct? Thank you. I can't speak for the others, but Popfile works fine here with 1.62, with earlier versions too, I imagine. It runs separately from TB, so isn't version-dependent. -- Deborah Never face facts; if you do, you'll never get up in the morning. - Marlo Thomas Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Quick Search
9/29/2003, 6:11 PM: Adam said in Quick Search A CTRL-ENTER will move to the next occurrence. A But note that the Quick Search is kinda buggy. Or has been. I've A noticed it ignoring a whole section of the message list, and advancing A through only a few of the existing valid message search occurrences. Really? I can't say either way, absolutely, but have not had any such trouble personally. A And it definitely does not offer RegExp. No, absolutely not -- but, of course, it's not a comprehensive search it's just a quick search. If you know you're looking for something from Debby, you can quickly hop to it, rather than have to scroll through the list manually. I see it as [or rather, use it as] a means of doing just that -- jumping around instead of scrolling around . . . But, I do use it quite often -- and would really like to see it implemented in the folder view, as well [optionally, for those of us who view message list in folder view] -- | Peace, Be well | Allen | http://jarday.com | http://theprawn.com | | Running The_Bat! version 2.00.18 | with Anti-Spam Plugin BayesIt! 0.4fm | Windows XP Service Pack 1 build 2600 -- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam
I also was using K9 with the lower version of TB! Elaine Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
More gibberish
Hello tbudl list, Someone on hear mentioned gibberish in emails going to mailing list; I have subsequently found out that this is because of base64 encoding of the message so as to preserve charsets; some versions of Outlook even don't support this. I have gone into account | properties | transport, but there is no option in v 2.00.6 to change the way 8 bit characters are handled (I need to change the setting to quoted printable). Am I in the wrong place? Thanks, Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam
Hello David, On 29 Sep 2003 at 17:46:17 -0400 GMT [23:46 CEST] you wrote: DRA So none of these are usable until I upgrade: DRA BayesIt, Popfile, SpamPal, K9, and the Bat's Known filter approach. DRA Correct? Thank you. No, incorrect. Of these only BayesIt is a Plugin. Popfile, Spampal and K9 are independent programs that work with nearly every mail program. The last one is based on tb's filtering system. It works if you receive very few mails from contacts who are not in your addressbook. If that applies to you, use that approach, if not try Popfile, Spampal, K9 or some similar program. I can only speak for Popfile. The way it works is that it sits between your mail server and tb. It then adds a certain header to all mails specifying the category the mail belongs to. This way you can make tb filter on the header that marks spam. -- Cheers, Andre Call it a clan, call it a network, call it a tribe, call it a family. Whatever you call it, whoever you are, you need one. Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam
Hello David, Monday, September 29, 2003, 11:03:19 PM, you wrote: DRA Hello, Keith: DRA Monday, September 29, 2003, 5:33:27 PM, you wrote: DRA (snip) KRI Just switched from PopFile KR to SpamBayes (snip) KR(http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ ). It's been kind KR of (snip) KRa pain to set up--for me, at least--but I finally got it KR KRworking today and it has great possibilities. I tried out a few Spam filters MailWasher, POPFile and finally settled on K9. A little tricky to set filters in TheBat! but once that was sorted it does a superb job. -- Love and Light, Granvillemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More gibberish
Hi Andrew, @29-Sep-2003, 23:34 Andrew Hodgson [AH] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: AH I have gone into account | properties | transport, but there is AH no option in v 2.00.6 to change the way 8 bit characters are AH handled (I need to change the setting to quoted printable). Am I AH in the wrong place? Yes - try under Mail management. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.18 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: First impressions
Hallo Mark, On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:23:00 -0700GMT (29-9-03, 20:23 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MW I have to say that so far I'm not very impressed with v2.00.6. Mind MW you, this is after only about half an hour's look at it, but I don't MW at all like the way it handles MIME digests. In 1.6x I can MW double-click the contents in the preview pane on the left to view the MW subject and who wrote the messge, etc. All v2 shows me is a bunch of MW messages, each named 1.MSG. Then there are various tabs at the bottom MW of the message pane, again each named 1.MSG. In my v2 mime digests are still double clickable attachments, the only differences being that they're called 1.msg and not message.msg (as in v1) and that they're accessible in preview mode by clicking on their tab. If you don't see them as regular attachments, it's possible that you dragged the attachment bar of the preview pane maximal to the left. An additional feature of v2 is that it remembers the size you gave to that window and that's unlike v1. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reading delivery report failures
Hallo Andrew, On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:41:21 +0100GMT (29-9-03, 19:41 +0200, where I live), you wrote: AH What is the best way to read such failures - in this case created AH using a MS Exchange server? I.E, in Agent, I had the option to view AH the raw message, in TB, I get two attachments visible with .at AH extentions. What can I do? It depends a bit on the format it's being sent, but if you liked Agent's raw message view, you could try to view the source code in TB by pressing F9. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: First impressions
Mark Wieder, [MW] wrote: MW In 1.6x I can double-click the contents in the preview pane on the MW left to view the subject and who wrote the messge, etc. This is preserved in v2. Double click one of the messages and you open a virtual folder with a list of all the attached messages that you can browse and handle just as though they were separate and in a folder. MW All v2 shows me is a bunch of messages, each named 1.MSG. They are numbered sequentially, yes. MW Then there are various tabs at the bottom of the message pane, again MW each named 1.MSG. This is not only unhelpful, but is a giant step MW backwards from the info displayed in TB v1.6x. Actually, clicking on each tab will display the message. Displaying the message will show another header bar under the main one. This additional header bar will show the headers for the attached message being currently viewed. MW Is there some hidden setting that will show something more meaningful MW or is that Just The Way It Is? Do you have the header bar enabled? If not, enabling it would be helpful. When you double click on one of the attached messages, do you have the message list enabled for the new window that pops up. Enabling the message list (View//message list) will show a list of all the attached messages for you to browse. Other than that, there are no 'secret' features. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quick Search
Richard Wakeford wrote: Right click on the Quicksearch box and you will get the options. Find next = CTRL+ENTER Find previous = CTRL+SHIFT+ENTER Thank you! Is there a way to get focus to Quick Search ... erm.. quickly? Whether on the tool bar or hidden, I'm wondering if there is a way to jump to the entry box (or bring up quick search if hidden) with a shortcut. I looked through Edit Shortcuts and there wasn't anything listed for bringing up Quick Search. (however, your shortcuts above were listed there) -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ISO-8859-15 charset
Hello Geir, On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:29:47 +0200 GMT (30/09/2003, 04:29 +0700 GMT), Geir Bækholt wrote: I have been struggling myself, trying to *make* theBat use ISO-8859-15, but i cannot seem to make it happen. Does it have to do with it not being present in my xlat-tables ? Should it be there? It should be there if you want to read or write mails in that encoding. Something which does not exist cannot be used. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: An electric fence, powerful enough to kill a dinosaur will cause no lasting damage to an eight-year-old child. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.18 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
