TB! Magazine Review

[Darrin]

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Wednesday, January 07, 2004
8:59:11 PM

Hi,
I was sitting down reading my latest CPU magazine and they had a
software review article on TB!. Heres the article:

"Just because Microsoft, Eudora, and Netscape/Mozilla account for roughly 90% of the 
email programs most Windows users use doesn’t mean that what remains isn’t worth 
checking out.
PocoMail, Pegasus Mail, and The Bat! each has its own following and advantages over 
the mainstream mailers.
The latest beta from The Bat! has me thinking that it’s starting to pull away from its 
immediate competitors.
The Bat! has been around for years and was considered the power emailer’s client 
choice because it was fast, had a great template set, a powerful (if underutilized 
plug-in set), and eschewed HTML mail.
Version 2 added some support for HTML mail, a much more powerful LDAP-compatible 
address book, and for some users, a whole host of bugs.
Recent betas have been chasing these bugs away, and as a longtime user, I can say 
2.01.50 seems ready for primetime.
Unchanged is TB’s speed, which is awesome. Even on a notebook, TB flies through 
downloads, uploads, and message rendering.
Unlike other programs that should know better, you don’t need the mouse to blast 
through message lists.
This is partially due to TB not displaying and downloading embedded or linked graphics 
in HTML mail and partially because the HTML rendering is just the basics, but this 
offers a level of viral protection simply not available with anything from Microsoft.
(Clicking a button displays HTML mail in an Internet Explorer window for those times 
you must see an entire graphical message.)
TB’s plug-ins now finally have a real use outside of antivirus: antispam. There are a 
few third-party antispam modules (most Bayesian) available, along with downloadable 
mailboxes filled with thousands of junk-mail messages to quickly train them.
I found these as good as Apple’s junk mail filters—high praise, indeed.
TB is a little expensive ($35) in the face of free email programs, but
if you live and die by email, you’ll find it a bargain."

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TB2 CE doesn't remember folders columns settings

[Alexander A. Gomanyuk]

Hello Batmans!

After upgrading to TB2 CE I've encountered  then TB got a new options,
concerning folder settings BUT now it wont remember folder settings
and every start loads something default for ALL folders.

Have i missed something?
Any advices would be very appreciable!


Your sincerely registered,
Sasha.



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Re[2]: Filter not working as expected

[rich gregory]

T> ... what appears to be plain text is actually interspersed with bogus html
T> tags. So "banned" is actually "banned".

T> The [TB!] filter doesn't ignore these html tags. And since the tags are
T> randomly placed and can be made up of anything, it's near to impossible to
T> write a filter specifically for it. Take a look at the source of the
T> message (F9) and see ... these tags ... interspersed throughout the
T> message.

T> Your best bet to filter this type of spam is to use the spam plug-in(s) or
T> Popfile or something similar - a Bayesian filter that "learns" as spammers
T> come up with new tricks.

My Bayesian filter (a SpamPal plug-in) does mark such messages as spam and a
TB filter does file such messages in a suspect folder.

Though as a rule I do try hard to avoid such drastic actions I was hoping to
send THESE messages straight to the trash.

Thanks for the info above. I thought my TB! viewer did not recognize HTML at
all but I see this is not so.

Thx

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Re: TB problem with PC Mag StartUp Cop

[Wayne Howard]

Hello Chris,

On Wednesday, January 7, 2004, at 10:28:27 PM, you wrote
re: TB problem with PC Mag StartUp Cop:

C> This isn't a bug. It's a feature. Under General Preferences, there
C> is
C> an option to "Start program after system halt." Modifying the
C> RunOnce
C> registry key allows The Bat! to do this. To stop modifying the
C> registry, turn this behavior off by unchecking the box.

I only wish that it was documented in the Help file so that clicking
on help in the program would tell you what the heck "Start program
after system halt." means. Otherwise, how would anyone ever know??

-- 
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Re: TB problem with PC Mag StartUp Cop

[Wayne Howard]

Hello Chris,

On Wednesday, January 7, 2004, at 10:28:27 PM, you wrote
re: TB problem with PC Mag StartUp Cop:

C> This isn't a bug. It's a feature. Under General Preferences, there
C> is
C> an option to "Start program after system halt." Modifying the
C> RunOnce
C> registry key allows The Bat! to do this. To stop modifying the
C> registry, turn this behavior off by unchecking the box.

Thank you, thank you, thank you! This has been driving me crazy as
well! :)

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Re: TB problem with PC Mag StartUp Cop

[Chris]

On Wednesday, January 7, 2004 at 10:12:29 PM, Bill Blinn Technology
Editor wrote in the message "TB problem with PC Mag StartUp Cop"
:

> I recently upgraded to 2.02.3 CE and have observed an odd new
> "feature". Whenever I start TB, it attempts to add an entry to the
> Registry (run once).

> Anybody else using this little PC Mag utility? If so, have you seen
> problems with TB?
This isn't a bug. It's a feature. Under General Preferences, there is
an option to "Start program after system halt." Modifying the RunOnce
registry key allows The Bat! to do this. To stop modifying the
registry, turn this behavior off by unchecking the box.

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Re: Cookies

[Darrin]

Hi,
On Wednesday at 6:44 AM I wrote:
D> Hi,
D> I wish to add some more cookies. I have a bunch of them and have it
D> set to automatically add a random one in my signature with each new
D> email. There are a few of them that are more than one line of text.
D> With these ones, TB! is reading each line as a separate cookie instead
D> of one cookie that is three lines. My question is how do I set a
D> longer cookie such as one with 3 lines of text so TB! will recognize
D> it as just one cookie?

Thanks for all the help. The responses were a great help ;)



 

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TB problem with PC Mag StartUp Cop

[Bill Blinn Technology Editor]

I recently upgraded to 2.02.3 CE and have observed an odd new
"feature". Whenever I start TB, it attempts to add an entry to the
Registry (run once).

I'm using StartUp Cop Pro from PC Magazine to monitor changes to the
Registry's start-up keys and to the StartUp folder. When TB attempts
to do this, StartUp Cop steps in to ask what I'd like to do. I've
tried allowing it, disallowing it, enabling it, disabling it, and
ignoring it. The results are always the same. I've not encountered
this problem with any of the other 40 or so applications StartUp Cop
is tracking.

POSSIBLE solution: I disabled StartUp Cop and let TB start. Then I
closed TB, started StartUp Cop again, and ran TB. This time it didn't
trigger a warning from  StartUp Cop.

Anybody else using this little PC Mag utility? If so, have you seen
problems with TB?

-- 
Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 1/7/2004 at 10:02 PM
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Re[2]: Unusual spam

[Kitty]

Hello Arjan,

Tuesday, January 6, 2004, 6:24:11 PM, you wrote:

AdG> On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:44:23 -0600, Kitty wrote:

>> First, I get several messages a day from a variety of different
>> supposed authors that just have random words and nothing else.
>> I don't really understand the purpose of this spam unless it is
>> to just see if the mail bounces back or something.

AdG> It's just a new spammers trick to circumvent Bayesian filter
AdG> detection. Press F9 to see the raw message body and you most
AdG> probably will find an HTML-ized URL like this one:


Bingo.   Had a message like that and when I did F9 the below popped
up.  I guess I'm not understanding though why someone would do this if
you have to look at F9 to find the content.  Or, does it display
differently to people who don't use TB?


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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

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clapeyron sophoclean greyhound mania emphases horntail maladjust dale contrariwise 
mack cesium dispersive dactylic hallway religiosity edwardine 

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit






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highhanded fare ymca pride askew bonneville celtic medea chromosphere prayer weight 
kelsey philosopher signet onyx constructible offset crafty trauma dispelling model 
octile peremptory avoid scalar jasper crewel demitting dock henrietta shrift apathetic 
aggravate bring cowpunch elan redmond yerkes bingle bane 
furtive fume anathema windbag rain billboard class michelin dodecahedra cecil 
insupportable handstand pa debase dwight monomer homeomorphic madras coolant extradite 
morgue armament yah decimal cataclysmic pet bitterroot farad inclement invocate 
aerobacter effluvia alicia emory functor compare loathsome 
derogatory chemic dauphine comatose huntsville passer meteor wire boy weaponry cedric 
everlasting auspices camelback emboss floc bodybuilder antedate affiance because 
forthwith 
urn passageway birch steam anomalous ragout boris curium bookend yourselves contiguous 
chen dais efface amass chi bakhtiari orifice lazybones yaqui yank teletypewrite defect 
lunge beauregard aitken barnabas bedspread billionth conquest platonic compositor 
mobil schoolmaster over petroglyph descriptive prof 
barber canary extrusive complementary schoolmarm frayed farkas jitterbugger reagan 
anus redemptive hershel simonson derange checksumming tame democrat b's waggle list 
wash palindromic rosebud deluge catawba appanage virgin predispose titillate baneful 
card 
breezy cress infuse kermit infix preeminent protege elute coast richter join 
ipsilateral codeposit brennan indomitable possemen garrison pandora retribution brahms 
bayou mission smart swarm bilharziasis 
nestle previous anthropomorphic stepmother counsel delicatessen condescend gmt 
snobbish rhombohedral chivalrous must rip niobium quicksand agreed byron attributive 
equestrian poe titian manual allentown gouge pyrex craven candlelit indeed schofield 
debarring sciatica smokestack sagacity acetate bike upshot 
immediacy hispanic canada rooky sandra anthology downdraft utility janet bourgeois 
jimmy machiavelli upbraid braille scale bedlam fantasist osiris deregulate bereft 
soccer cheery oxcart assistant caribou truant order veracious mexico jewelry 
ostensible edmund expansible 
walls bergen skeet conflagration alum afield grate maternal hoopla your cheater freak 
lykes couscous mcadams submersible caraway badge bedraggle annoyance hibbard byronic 
windbag charleston approach chipmunk betty humility telepathic complementarity 
hexachloride kolkhoz neurotic workday bien owl 
schuylkill houston juan mr battlefront mammalian decay ruin gigavolt ramify 
ornamentation schmitt epiphyseal corrode alia clime devious granola asia higgins boom 
archetype birdbath myrtle garth nuclear iran inquisition 
chaise priam hoofmark rosenzweig adulterate patsy reeve duty cowpony collarbone 
capital kolkhoz cellulose pert cessation advisable leftover stephen nourish lend 
petersburg coagulable earthmoving andover exclude condiment curfew retort bobolink 
doberman backfill adenine pacifist rsvp detour robinson earthenware collegial 



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Re: Orphaned Post [was Unusual spam]

[marybull]

Hello Andre,

Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 4:42:35 PM, you wrote:

m>> ... I wasn't really expecting any more help on this until tomorrow
m>> [since Thomas Fernandez's time is 12 hours ahead of mine].

AW> That's the beautiful thing about an international list like this: It's
AW> never night - at least not for everyone.

A>>> The message-id is created by the bat! It identifies your mail to be used
A>>> in references headers when people reply to your mail. No need to do
A>>> anything on your side, least of all put it in the 'matter' header.

m>> ... Thank you so very much for explaining this. :)

AW> I should add that you should have added Thomas' msg-id to the references
AW> header. What I said was concerning your own msg-id. But now that the
AW> other solution works there's of course no need of messing with references
AW> anymore. Just thought I mention it.

It's always well to understand as much as possible about a problem.

m>> ...I have missed getting to Post all my opinions to you
m>> enormously!

AW> I enjoy all of your mails (and yes - missed them). So keep posting :)

Nice to be wanted. 

m>> Belatedly, Happy New Year to you Andre, and to anyone else who may
m>> happen to read this.

AW> And a happy new year to you, Mary.

So, well, Happy Valentine's Day early, and may no fish ever turn up in
our mailboxes--snail or otherwise--again. Only lovely sweet hearts and
sweet sayings.

I'm off to amend a few templates, in order to automate my replies to
my account marybull. Thanks again for everything.

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Re: Orphaned Post [was Unusual spam]

[marybull]

Hello Andre!

On Wednesday, January 07, 2004, 4:41 PM, you wrote:

m>> What do you want for a Valentine's Day present?

A> Oh, I don't know. I would say your mail was enough. When I read it it was
A> already dark here but I could feel the sunshine. You certainly managed
A> to make a big smile appear on my face :)

You certainly put one on mine!

A> ... If you want to automate the process go to your old
A> account's properties and into the reply template. Add
A> %account='marybull'%-
A> anywhere in the template (marybull is the new
A> account?)

Yes.

A> .. and all replies should use that account. ...

I shall do that! Although having just one click already feels like
heaven.

A> ... If you use folder or addressbook templates you would need to
A> add it there, too, of course.

Not folder, but addressbook. But so far I don't have but about 25
addresses in my addressbook, and most of them are not regular
correspondents.

A> ... again thank you for your very kind words.

No more than deserved. I think I'm breaking a whole batch of tbudl
rules here, but the list is slow, and perhaps Marck, Allie, Leif, and
all my other fellow subscribers will forgive me this once.

I have certainly learned a lot here this afternoon.

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Re: Orphaned Post [was Unusual spam]

[Andre Wichartz]

Hello marybull,

On 7 Jan 2004 at 13:21:50 -0600 GMT [20:21 CET] you wrote:


m> Thank you for the feedback. Since Thomas Fernandez is on the other
m> side of the world, 12 hours ahead of my local time, I think he has
m> probably long ago gone to bed--it being a school-and-work-night for
m> him, most probably. :) So I wasn't really expecting any more help on
m> this until tomorrow--it seems to be such a rare and obscure type of
m> problem.

That's the beautiful thing about an international list like this: It's
never night - at least not for everyone.

A>> The message-id is created by the bat! It identifies your mail to be used
A>> in references headers when people reply to your mail. No need to do
A>> anything on your side, least of all put it in the 'matter' header.

m> All right!! Come to tbudl and be educated! Thank you so very much for
m> explaining this. :)

I should add that you should have added Thomas' msg-id to the references
header. What I said was concerning your own msg-id. But now that the
other solution works there's of course no need of messing with references
anymore. Just thought I mention it.

m> Even if you guys may not have missed reading me, I have missed getting
m> to Post all my opinions to you enormously!

I enjoy all of your mails (and yes - missed them). So keep posting :)

m> Belatedly, Happy New Year to you Andre, and to anyone else who may
m> happen to read this.

And a happy new year to you, Mary.

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 Andre

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Re: Orphaned Post [was Unusual spam]

[Andre Wichartz]

Hello marybull,

On 7 Jan 2004 at 13:28:23 -0600 GMT [20:28 CET] you wrote:

m> Yes! roflol joy joy joy Yes! Yes! Thank you!!

*g* You're welcome. Glad I could be of help.

m> I think so. I'm indebted to you for life. What do you want for a
m> Valentine's Day present?

Oh, I don't know. I would say your mail was enough. When I read it it was
already dark here but I could feel the sunshine. You certainly managed
to make a big smile appear on my face :)

m> Anyway, here goes!! I think this will work perfectly.

Indeed, it does. If you want to automate the process go to your old
account's properties and into the reply template. Add
%account='marybull'%-
anywhere in the template (marybull is the new
account?) and all replies should use that account. If you use folder or
addressbook templates you would need to add it there, too, of course.

m> Look at that! (The sig, above.) Should I change that to Mary in
m> account properties? Well, I think I won't. It will help me keep
m> straight which account is doing what. Your friend for life, Mary

Do what ever you want :) And again thank you for your very kind words.

-- 
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 Andre

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 you're not just a number. You're two numbers,
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Re: not receiving attachments

[ken green]

Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
> Maybe reinstalling Word would help. It would replace the current
> associations for the application/msword type.


Thanks Marck, I will do that today.  This may not be useful, but just
now, there was a message that I *know* had a Word attachment because I
viewed it away from my desk.

At my desktop, I saw the message in The Bat and it indicated an
attachment (in message list view).  As soon as I clicked on the item,
the attachment "disappeared" and could not be accessed through TB.

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Re[2]: Unusual spam

[Nick Gordon]

Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 12:18:07 AM, we have reason to believe that 
Joseph N. wrote:

JN> Techniques like you described are common devices intended to fool spam
JN> tools that analyze text content in message bodies. Usually, though,
JN> words like you described are followed by the "real" message or links.
JN> It's possible that the mail you received had web bugs you couldn't
JN> see, or other links.


Excuse me if this is old news, but a technique I see a lot of is white text in the 
HTML part with the links and whatever; most people (I guess) use a white background 
and don't see it. I came across it expereimenting with a coloured background (ugh!)

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Re: Orphaned Post [was Unusual spam]

[marybull]

Hello Andre,

Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 1:02:51 PM, you wrote:



m>> I proceed in the New window to my answer, and from marybull I'm able
m>> to Send.

AW> Ok. Try this: Look at the very bottom of the reply window. You'll see
AW> several fields filled with different text. At the right there is your
AW> charset (here it's 'None' right now). To the left there is the name of
AW> your account. Right click it. You now can select which account you want
AW> to use for this mail. Select the account with which you are able to send
AW> mail.

Found it!

AW> If I understand your situation correctly this way you should be able to
AW> open the reply in the account you receive your mail with and then
AW> changing the account used to that you can send mail with. So, no need to
AW> open a second message editor window or copy references.

Yes! roflol joy joy joy Yes! Yes! Thank you!!

AW> Hope that helps.

I think so. I'm indebted to you for life. What do you want for a
Valentine's Day present?

Anyway, here goes!! I think this will work perfectly.

-- 
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 marybull 

Look at that! (The sig, above.) Should I change that to Mary in
account properties? Well, I think I won't. It will help me keep
straight which account is doing what. Your friend for life, Mary

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Re: Orphaned Post [was Unusual spam]

[marybull]

Hello Andre!

On Wednesday, January 07, 2004, 1:03 PM, you wrote:



m>> There is no "Follow-up" on my View menu.

A> Yes. It used to be called follow-up but was changed some time back. It's
A> now called 'references'.



m>> So I copied the References and put them in the proper place.

A> That worked. Your mail is properly threaded.

Thank you for the feedback. Since Thomas Fernandez is on the other
side of the world, 12 hours ahead of my local time, I think he has
probably long ago gone to bed--it being a school-and-work-night for
him, most probably. :) So I wasn't really expecting any more help on
this until tomorrow--it seems to be such a rare and obscure type of
problem.

m>> In the Edit Mail Message window there was no place for ID--because no
m>> ID choice on the View menu. So I have put the Message ID in the Matter
m>> field on this Reply to you.

A> The message-id is created by the bat! It identifies your mail to be used
A> in references headers when people reply to your mail. No need to do
A> anything on your side, least of all put it in the 'matter' header.

All right!! Come to tbudl and be educated! Thank you so very much for
explaining this. :)

m>> And I stuck in the Return Path for good measure.

A> That one should be created by the server. So again: no need for you to
A> do anything.

Again, thank you so very much. This will simplify my posting task
immensely. I will only need to c&p my Reply-quotes, and the To: ,
References: , and Subject: field.

Even if you guys may not have missed reading me, I have missed getting
to Post all my opinions to you enormously!

Belatedly, Happy New Year to you Andre, and to anyone else who may
happen to read this.

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Re: Orphaned Post [was Unusual spam]

[Andre Wichartz]

Hello marybull,

On 7 Jan 2004 at 05:59:45 -0600 GMT [12:59 CET] you wrote:

m> SO: I create a Reply window, with quoted message in old account Mary
m> Bull. Then I create a New message window in new account marybull. Then
m> I c&p message body, subject:, and to: fields to the New window.

m> I proceed in the New window to my answer, and from marybull I'm able
m> to Send.

Ok. Try this: Look at the very bottom of the reply window. You'll see
several fields filled with different text. At the right there is your
charset (here it's 'None' right now). To the left there is the name of
your account. Right click it. You now can select which account you want
to use for this mail. Select the account with which you are able to send
mail.

If I understand your situation correctly this way you should be able to
open the reply in the account you receive your mail with and then
changing the account used to that you can send mail with. So, no need to
open a second message editor window or copy references.

Hope that helps.

-- 
Cheers,
 Andre

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 is like the contact of two chemical substances:
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Re: Orphaned Post [was Unusual spam]

[Andre Wichartz]

Hello marybull,

On 7 Jan 2004 at 11:48:09 -0600 GMT [18:48 CET] you wrote:

m> There is no "Follow-up" on my View menu.

Yes. It used to be called follow-up but was changed some time back. It's
now called 'references'.

m> It does, under Headers, in the main account view menu, let me put
m> References among other things, including something called Matter.

I don't know what 'matter' is for but you shouldn't need it.

m> And also, the View menu in the Edit Mail Message window and the
m> Folder Window where I read your original message, gives me these same
m> choices.

m> So I copied the References and put them in the proper place.

That worked. Your mail is properly threaded.

m> In the Edit Mail Message window there was no place for ID--because no
m> ID choice on the View menu. So I have put the Message ID in the Matter
m> field on this Reply to you.

The message-id is created by the bat! It identifies your mail to be used
in references headers when people reply to your mail. No need to do
anything on your side, least of all put it in the 'matter' header.

m> And I stuck in the Return Path for good measure.

That one should be created by the server. So again: no need for you to
do anything.

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Re: Mark msg read after writing reply?

[Gerard]

ON Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 4:38:43 PM, you wrote:
M> Please see below. It is my 'generic' Replied filter. I have some
M> 'specialised' ones that also check the originator of the message I'm
M> replying to to move the message to a folder other than 'Replied'.

Thanks, I will give it a try.

I still like my idea better of a macro in a template ;-)

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Re: Orphaned Post [was Unusual spam]

[marybull]

Hello Thomas!

On Wednesday, January 07, 2004, 10:28 AM, you wrote:

>> SO: I create a Reply window, with quoted message in old account Mary
>> Bull. Then I create a New message window in new account marybull. Then
>> I c&p message body, subject:, and to: fields to the New window.

T> I don't know what the problem with your ISP is, but in order to keep
T> the threading, you could also copy the references:

T> When you view the original message, go to View / Follow-up to. Copy
T> the references by highliting them and hitting crtl-C.

There is no "Follow-up" on my View menu. It does, under Headers, in
the main account view menu, let me put References among other things,
including something called Matter. And also, the View menu in the Edit
Mail Message window and the Folder Window where I read your original
message, gives me these same choices.

So I copied the References and put them in the proper place.
In the Edit Mail Message window there was no place for ID--because no
ID choice on the View menu. So I have put the Message ID in the Matter
field on this Reply to you. And I stuck in the Return Path for good
measure.

T> In the reply editor window, go to the same menu entry: view /
T> Follow-up to. Hit crtl-V to paste.

T> The resulting reply will thread correctly. This is a mere work-around,
T> though...

I hope, since I couldn't find "Follow-Up," that this will work. :)
It's worth trying, anyway. And perhaps you can help me further, if it
doesn't.

>> Just call me Mary-the-Perpetual-E-mail-Using-Beginner!

T> If you insist: Hi Mary-the-Perpetual-E-mail-Using-Beginner!

Hi Thomas-the-Perpetual-Helper-of-Perpetual-E-mail-Using-Beginners!

Thanks a bunch. :)

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Re: Cookies

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Darrin,

on Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:44:14 -0800GMT (07.01.04, 15:44 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

D> how do I set a longer cookie such as one with 3 lines of text so
D> TB! will recognize it as just one cookie?

It is right, that for TB! one cookie is one line in the cookie.txt, so
you *must* put everything in one line, no matter, how many lines you
want. For a line break type \n where you want it to occur, or use the
%Wrapped macro as Patrick suggested.

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Re: Cookies

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Darrin,

@7-Jan-2004, 06:44 -0800 (07-Jan 14:44 UK time) Darrin [D] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

D> ... cookies ... a few of them that are more than one line of
D> text. With these ones, TB! is reading each line as a separate
D> cookie instead of one cookie that is three lines. My question is
D> how do I set a longer cookie such as one with 3 lines of text so
D> TB! will recognize it as just one cookie?

Join the lines and put a \n sequence to indicate a line break.

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Re: Orphaned Post [was Unusual spam]

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello marybull,

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 05:59:45 -0600 GMT (07/01/2004, 18:59 +0700 GMT),
marybull wrote:

> SO: I create a Reply window, with quoted message in old account Mary
> Bull. Then I create a New message window in new account marybull. Then
> I c&p message body, subject:, and to: fields to the New window.

I don't know what the problem with your ISP is, but in order to keep
the threading, you could also copy the references:

When you view the original message, go to View / Follow-up to. Copy
the references by highliting them and hitting crtl-C.

In the reply editor window, go to the same menu entry: view /
Follow-up to. Hit crtl-V to paste.

The resulting reply will thread correctly. This is a mere work-around,
though...

> Just call me Mary-the-Perpetual-E-mail-Using-Beginner!

If you insist: Hi Mary-the-Perpetual-E-mail-Using-Beginner!

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Re: Copying Quick templates across accounts

[Maurice Snellen]

On Wednesday, December 31, 2003 at 19:10 (which was Thursday, January
1, 2004 at 1:10 where I am) Allie Martin wrote:

> Which file is it that I copy across?

Like Thomas said, ACCOUNT.QTN; you need to watch out for QT's that
you've set to share with other accounts though, as you will get error
messages if you have even just one of those and switch between the
accounts with the duplicates.

I myself prefer building QT's that are as account-independant as
possible and just set all of them as 'shared' which makes them
available to all accounts without having to copy over anything.

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Re[2]: Upgrade and transfer help sought.

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 10:43:10 AM, Leif Gregory wrote:

LG> From the 1.x version to the 2.x version, yes there is an upgrade fee.

Thanks.

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Re: Upgrade and transfer help sought.

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Leonard,

Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 8:06:28 AM, you wrote:
LSB> Is there an upgrade fee for 2.0?

From the 1.x version to the 2.x version, yes there is an upgrade fee.




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Re: Cookies

[P Graham]

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:44:14 -0800, Darrin wrote

> I wish to add some more cookies. I have a bunch of them and have it
> set to automatically add a random one in my signature with each new
> email. There are a few of them that are more than one line of text.
> With these ones, TB! is reading each line as a separate cookie 
> instead of one cookie that is three lines. My question is how do I 
> set a longer cookie such as one with 3 lines of text so TB! will recognize
> it as just one cookie?

I'm not at my home system right no so relying on memory here ;)

I run my cookie through a wrap macro (I think wrap2)
ie %wrap2=%cookie"cookiefile"

I also had to format my cookiew file so each cookie was separated by a blank
line and no cookie lines had a CR at the end.

Hope that helps. If I don't see a better answer when I get home I'll post the
specific line from my templates.

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Re: Mark msg read after writing reply?

[MAU]

Hello Gerard,

> I thought about that, but it seems like a lot of work.
> Could you post your replied filter so I can use that as a starter?

Please see below. It is my 'generic' Replied filter. I have some
'specialised' ones that also check the originator of the message I'm
replying to to move the message to a folder other than 'Replied'.

BeginFilter
Name: Replied
Active: 1
Source: \\ERM Spain\MUST REPLY
Target: \\ERM Spain\Replied
CopyFolder: none
MainSet: 00
Actions: faMarkRead,faSetColor,faoAdvNoFlagged
AddGroups: 
DelGroups: 
ForwardTemplate: 
ConfirmTemplate: 
ReplyTemplate: 
FwdAddr: 
RedirectAddr: 
NewAddr: 
NewTemplate: 
ExtCmd: 
ExtFile: 
ExtractDir: 
ColourGroup: 
AddAddrItems: afiFrom,
DelAddrItems: afiFrom,
HotKey: 0
IsOfColour: Action
SizeBigger: 0
SizeSmaller: 0
AgeOlder: 0
AgeNewer: 0
InAddrPos: 0
OutAddrPos: 0
InAddrGroups: 
NoAddrGroups: 
KillFile: 
KillMethod: 0
SaveTemplate: 
SndFile: 
SysSound: 0
SoundTime: 0:00-0:00
AllowTime: 0:00-0:00
EndFilter

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Re[3]: Upgrade and transfer help sought.

[Darrin]

Hi,
On Wednesday at 7:06 AM you wrote:
LSB> Wow. That seems simple enough. Thanks for the help.
Your welcome.

LSB> Is there an upgrade fee for 2.0?
Yes, there is a fee. But they are having a discount right now up to
the 10th of this month. I recommend you do it before this sale
expires.
https://www.cifnet.com/cgi-bin/ritlabs/thebat.html?referer=RITLABS.MTc3ODA3Mi4xNDAwNTQzLlVTLlguWA==


 

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Re: Mark msg read after writing reply?

[Gerard]

ON Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 2:21:04 PM, you wrote:
M> It can be done with "Replied filters" for messages you reply to, I don't
M> know if it works for forwarded messages also. However, you have to take
M> into account that if your reply to messages in different folder, you
M> will need a Replied filter for each "Source folder". In my case I only
M> need one filter because all my messages pending a reply have been
M> previously (and automatically) moved to a single "Must Reply" folder.

Hi Miguel,

I thought about that, but it seems like a lot of work.
Could you post your replied filter so I can use that as a starter?

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Re[2]: Upgrade and transfer help sought.

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 9:49:08 AM, Darrin wrote:

D> After installing your new version. Backup by going to Tools/Backup
D> within TB!. Download TB! on your other pc. Go to Tools/Restore and it
D> should restore everything as it was on your previous pc just fine. It
D> has always worked for me after reinstalling windows.

Wow. That seems simple enough. Thanks for the help.

Is there an upgrade fee for 2.0?

Leonard

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Re: Mark msg read after writing reply?

[Gerard]

ON Wednesday, January 7, 2004, 2:07:53 PM, you wrote:
DE> Is something happening with the charset in the Content-Type.

G>> I am in the habit of marking msgŽs read manually. Which is usually after
DE> ^

DE> His came out as a cap z with two dots, I presume it was suposed to be single
DE> mark.


Hi David,

This has happend frequently. It has to do with the chaeterset being
used.
This should be better. Isn't it?

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Re: Upgrade and transfer help sought.

[Darrin]

Hi,
On Wednesday at 6:38 AM you wrote:
LSB> I see that there are three versions of 2.0: 2.00.6, 2.01.3 and 2.02.3.
LSB> Is there any reason not to download the lastest and greatest?

Some users are having a few problems with 2.02.3 CE. I for one dont
have any problems. You may wish to hold off on the latest and get
2.01.3 for now.

LSB> Then, after upgrading, I am interested in moving the software,
LSB> including mailboxes, address books, etc. to a new computer. Where can
LSB> I find information on how to do this?
After installing your new version. Backup by going to Tools/Backup
within TB!. Download TB! on your other pc. Go to Tools/Restore and it
should restore everything as it was on your previous pc just fine. It
has always worked for me after reinstalling windows.


 

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Cookies

[Darrin]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Wednesday, January 07, 2004
6:40:03 AM

Hi,
I wish to add some more cookies. I have a bunch of them and have it
set to automatically add a random one in my signature with each new
email. There are a few of them that are more than one line of text.
With these ones, TB! is reading each line as a separate cookie instead
of one cookie that is three lines. My question is how do I set a
longer cookie such as one with 3 lines of text so TB! will recognize
it as just one cookie?

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Upgrade and transfer help sought.

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

I'd like to upgrade my licensed copy of The Bat to 2.0 from 1.61. On
the RITLABS web site, the implication is that there is an upgrade
charge. Is this correct?

I see that there are three versions of 2.0: 2.00.6, 2.01.3 and 2.02.3.
Is there any reason not to download the lastest and greatest?

Then, after upgrading, I am interested in moving the software,
including mailboxes, address books, etc. to a new computer. Where can
I find information on how to do this?

Thanks.

Leonard
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Re: Glyphs

[Darrin]

Hi,
On Wednesday at 6:01 AM you wrote:
sec> I found a web site (batworld.de) with a load of different glyphs for
sec> TB! The problem is that the whole site is German and I can't figure
sec> out what's required to d/l the files. If I click on a download link I
sec> get taken to a page that I can't figure out. Can some kind soul (a)
sec> point me at an English language site with these images on or (b) tell
sec> me what I need to do to d/l the glyphs from this site.


There is a free translator site that will translate german to english.
http://plugin.imtranslator.com/
Just paste the text in and translate it. It does a fairly good job.

There is also another good site with glyphs.
http://www.thebat.cz/ikony.htm


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Re: Glyphs

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Wednesday, January 7, 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I found a web site (batworld.de) with a load of different glyphs for
> TB! The problem is that the whole site is German and I can't figure
> out what's required to d/l the files. If I click on a download link I
> get taken to a page that I can't figure out. Can some kind soul (a)
> point me at an English language site with these images on or (b) tell
> me what I need to do to d/l the glyphs from this site.

Yu must be registered AFAIK. You can try to use www.thebatworld.de or
www.thebat.cz/ikony.htm for many glyphs too.

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Glyphs

[shemming]

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I found a web site (batworld.de) with a load of different glyphs for
TB! The problem is that the whole site is German and I can't figure
out what's required to d/l the files. If I click on a download link I
get taken to a page that I can't figure out. Can some kind soul (a)
point me at an English language site with these images on or (b) tell
me what I need to do to d/l the glyphs from this site.

TIA

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Re: Mark msg read after writing reply?

[MAU]

Hello Gerard,

> Does anyone know how to mark the original msg read when you have
> written a reply or have forwarded the msg.

It can be done with "Replied filters" for messages you reply to, I don't
know if it works for forwarded messages also. However, you have to take
into account that if your reply to messages in different folder, you
will need a Replied filter for each "Source folder". In my case I only
need one filter because all my messages pending a reply have been
previously (and automatically) moved to a single "Must Reply" folder.

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Re: Mark msg read after writing reply?

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Gerard,

on Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:31:06 +0100GMT (07.01.04, 13:31 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

G> Does anyone know how to mark the original msg read when you have written a reply or
G> have forwarded the msg.

Create a filter for replied or forwarded messages.?

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Re: not receiving attachments

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Ken,

@6-Jan-2004, 22:46 -0600 (07-Jan 04:46 UK time) ken green [K] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:

>> This is file association gone sour down to silly "content type"
>> settings.

K> Sounds like you are on the right track. This problem does not
K> appear to be happening on my laptop at all, and only started
K> happening recently on my desktop (which is why I'm convinced *I*
K> changed something).

Okay.

K> I had been trying out some PDF programs that convert documents to
K> PDF format using a printer driver. Two of those programs
K> installed toolbar button in Word. Could this have anything to
K> with the "content type" problem?

... 

K> But what do I do?  Where do I start?  What do I do next?

Maybe reinstalling Word would help. It would replace the current
associations for the application/msword type.

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Re: Filter not working as expected

[Terry]

Hi Rich,

On Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 9:20 AM, you wrote:

> In trying to trash a spate of like minded emails I made a filter that seems
> to have no effect but I would think it should.

> The text in the body of the email varies slightly from message to message
> BUT there are a few words common to all suitable for filtering on.



> QUESTION: Why doesn't it work?!

I'm familiar with the messages you're describing. I don't think it is
a filter problem. The problem is that what appears to be plain text is
actually text interspersed with numerous (usually bogus) html tags. So
you're filtering on "banned" which is what is visible, but what's
actually in the source is "banned".

The filter doesn't ignore the html tags. And since the tags are
randomly placed and can be made up of anything, it's near to
impossible to write a filter specifically for it. Take a look at the
source of the message (F9) and see if these tags are interspersed
throughout the message.

Your best bet to filter this type of spam is to use the spam
plug-in(s) or Popfile or something similar - a Bayesian filter that
"learns" as spammers come up with new tricks.

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Mark msg read after writing reply?

[Gerard]

Hi Bat Users,

Does anyone know how to mark the original msg read when you have written a reply or
have forwarded the msg.

I am in the habit of marking msg´s read manually. Which is usually
after I have written a reply or forwarded the mgs.
Is there no template command I can use?

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Re: [Macro] Some troubles with DaysTo macro

[Andrew Perevodchik]

Hello!

>>>| %IF:"%DaysTo(%ODATE='dd/mm/yy')">10 : [Sorry, I'm late!]:
>> Right.
d> Indeed, it's not working properly.

You-re comparing numbers as strings, don't you? :) Use %IFN instead of
%IF (don't even ask, this is not quite documented, AFAIK).

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Re: Orphaned Post [was Unusual spam]

[marybull]

Hello Nick!

On Tuesday, January 06, 2004, 7:12 PM, you wrote:

N> Hello Mary,

N> Tuesday, January 6, 2004, 5:38:22 PM, you wrote:

M>> ... I've seen a lot more of
M>> these two kinds of [Spam] mails, lately.

N> Mary, I just noticed your Posting and saw that it was orphaned... in
N> that there is no "In-Reply-To" header that I could see. I also of course
N> noticed that you are using The Bat so I wonder why there was no header
N> generated.

Nick, I have not been able to Post to the lists for days now, because
I could only send from a webmail site on which my return name&address
was different from the one I use for the TB! mailing lists. Since I
hoped the situation would not be permanent, I did not want to make a
change on the mailing lists--I hated not being able to write using TB!

Now I think the inability to Send SMTP is solved, by setting up a new
account in TB!, using the domain numbers rather than domain name of my
server. I can now Send from that account. It's complicated--I'll
describe further if anyone wants to hear--but essentially (as telnet
showed) the SMTP server's domain configuration cache became corrupted,
either on my machine or at my ISP.

However, the situation is such that I can only receive (POP3) through
my really-old POP server, vipdirect.net, with that old user name and
password. When I try to reconfigure the old account, TB! will not let
me change that old password.

In the new account, the POP server has to be configured to the same
domain as the SMTP, or the SMTP won't work.

In the old account, apparently because the POP password can't be
changed, I can't send using my correct SMTP server's numbers.

SO: I create a Reply window, with quoted message in old account Mary
Bull. Then I create a New message window in new account marybull. Then
I c&p message body, subject:, and to: fields to the New window.

I proceed in the New window to my answer, and from marybull I'm able
to Send.

Of course, I hate this. And it's probably messing up everyone's
threading as well as Replies.

I will try out Any Ideas!! I have learned to keep careful handwritten
notes so I can backtrack from anything that doesn't work.

Just call me Mary-the-Perpetual-E-mail-Using-Beginner!

Sorry for any difficulties I'm causing any of you on tbudl.

-- 
Best regards,
Mary

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Re: Filter not working as expected

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Rich,

@7-Jan-2004, 05:27 -0500 (07-Jan 10:27 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to MAU:

M>> Should be '30gov'. That is, Location should be Text and not Kludges.

RG> (I am pretty sure) I had it set to TEXT (not kludges) FIRST!

RG> (I am pretty sure) I had it set to TEXT (not kludges) then, once
RG> it failed to work as expected, I think I set the gov string to
RG> KLUDGES from TEXT as the true word I am trying to cite is
RG> Government.

"Kludges" is the TB word for "Message headers only". So it won't
work the way you're expecting. TB's signal strings are case
insensitive by default. You have to go out of your way (please refer
to the Help topic on the Sorting Office and signal strings for the
full explanation) to make strings case sensitive.

-- 
Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator
SB! v2.03 Beta/28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1
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Re: Export filter

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Rich,

@7-Jan-2004, 04:12 -0500 (07-Jan 09:12 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Chris:

C>> ... Sorting Office, right-click the filter ... select "Copy."
C>> Then, paste into your e-mail message.

RG> THAT'S what I did wrong.  It doesn't work if you use CTRL-C to copy.

Hmmm. Ctrl-C works for me :-/.

RG> With the filter highlighted, you have to select COPY from the
RG> context menu or use CTRL-Y to get the text version of the filter
RG> into the clipboard.

.. which works too.

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Re[2]: Filter not working as expected

[rich gregory]

>> MainSet: 40gov
M> Should be '30gov'. That is, Location should be Text and not Kludges.

(I am pretty sure) I had it set to TEXT (not kludges) FIRST!

(I am pretty sure) I had it set to TEXT (not kludges) then, once it failed to
work as expected, I think I set the gov string to KLUDGES from TEXT as the
true word I am trying to cite is Government.

-- 
Rich



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Re: Filter not working as expected

[MAU]

Hello rich,

> MainSet: 40gov

Should be '30gov'. That is, Location should be Text and not Kludges.


-- 
Best regards,

Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
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Filter not working as expected

[rich gregory]

Hello Batters!

In trying to trash a spate of like minded emails I made a filter that seems
to have no effect but I would think it should.

The text in the body of the email varies slightly from message to message
BUT there are a few words common to all suitable for filtering on.

The offending target text is always something like:

Banned CD! Government don't want me to sell it.

The (edited) text version of my filter is below.

QUESTION: Why doesn't it work?!


BeginFilter
Name: Banned CD 1
Active: 1
Source: \\mailbox\Inbox
Target: \\mailbox\Trash
CopyFolder: none
MainSet: 30banned
MainSet: 40gov
MainSet: 30want
MainSet: 30sell


Thanks,
Rich





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Re[2]: Export filter

[rich gregory]

>> How do I export a filter?
C> ... Sorting Office, right-click the filter ... select "Copy." Then, paste
C> into your e-mail message.

THAT'S what I did wrong.  It doesn't work if you use CTRL-C to copy.

With the filter highlighted, you have to select COPY from the context menu or
use CTRL-Y to get the text version of the filter into the clipboard.

-- 
Rich



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