Re: Good grief! The bug STILL exists

[Allister Jenks]

Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 11:20:22 PM, MAU wrote:

M> Why don't you try something? First, backup all your TB data (mail
M> directory. Then move your "groups.cfg" file top a different directory
M> and start TB to see what happens.

Inspired!  Well, if I had put my own thinking cap on I *might* have come
up with that idea.

Yes, it worked.  My group has all the accounts I added.  It remains to
be seen, however, if the next account will suffer the same old fate.
Still, for now, who cares?  Not me!

Thanks for the suggestion.

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Re: Global Inbox

[MFPA]

Hi

On Wednesday 9 March 2005 at 8:11:38 PM, in
, MFPA wrote:

> The message counter will exhibit confusing behaviour and I have no
> idea how filters will behave or what other issues may arise.

Do *not* do this.

A couple of issues that arose are "Mailto:"; links
failing to properly open TB!, access violations, "Control has no
parent window", AB templates not working and inability to create a
new blank message.

At least this all started shortly after I created two test
accounts pointing to the same directory and all seems to have
stopped as soon as I deleted them anr restarted TB!

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Re: Using the TB! while I have the flu?

[MFPA]

Hi

On Wednesday 9 March 2005 at 9:18:29 PM, in
, Alexander S. Kunz
wrote:

> I think Gerard would need to lift himself out of bed to send a request for
> remote assistance from his desktop to his laptop (I may be mistaken but I
> think it only works that way). :)

This is true but you can set the romote assistance request to be
valid for up to 99 days.

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Re: Using the TB! while I have the flu?

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello MFPA & everyone else,

on 09-Mrz-2005 at 22:10 you (MFPA) wrote:

> XP Home has the Remote Assistance feature to allow a friend or a tech
> support to remotely take over your pc. Would this allow you to use the
> copy of TB! on your desktop by controlling it from your laptop?

I think Gerard would need to lift himself out of bed to send a request for
remote assistance from his desktop to his laptop (I may be mistaken but I
think it only works that way). :)

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Re: Using the TB! while I have the flu?

[MFPA]

Hi

On Wednesday 9 March 2005 at 8:53:38 PM, in
, Gerard wrote:


ASK>> If you have XP Pro on your desktop, you can use the built-in Remote
ASK>> Desktop, no need for VNC.

> Thanks for the tip but  already knew this. I have never used it because I 
> always
> have been buying windows Home edition. There are to few features in Pro to
> justify the price difference.

XP Home has the Remote Assistance feature to allow a friend or a
tech support to remotely take over your pc. Would this allow you
to use the copy of TB! on your desktop by controlling it from your
laptop?

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Re: Using the TB! while I have the flu?

[Gerard]

ON Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 6:44:09 PM, you wrote:
MM> Brz oporavak to Gerard as well. Sometimes it's fun to be "nailed" to
MM> bed, but sometimes is not.  

This is a definitive NOT :(

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Re: Using the TB! while I have the flu?

[Gerard]

ON Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 6:09:02 PM, you wrote:
ASK> If you have XP Pro on your desktop, you can use the built-in Remote
ASK> Desktop, no need for VNC.

Alexander,

Thanks for the tip but  already knew this. I have never used it because I always
have been buying windows Home edition. There are to few features in Pro to
justify the price difference.

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Re: Global Inbox

[MFPA]

Hi

On Tuesday 1 March 2005 at 3:01:00 PM, in
, Roelof Otten wrote:


> TB doesn't have a real global inbox.
> It's rather strong built on separated accounts, that's the strength of
> its sorting office etc, a global inbox would more or less restrict
> those possibillities.

Account | Properties | Files & Directories | Home Directory Browse
| paste in the account directory you wish to use | OK | OK.

Repeat for each account that you want to use the same Inbox,
Outbox, Sent, Trash, Attachment and $Known$ folders, pasting in
the same account directory for each. (eg., paste "C:\Documents and
Settings\\Application Data\The Bat!\Account 1" for every
account)

The message counter will exhibit confusing behaviour and I have no
idea how filters will behave or what other issues may arise.

I accidentally achieved the above but it was not what I wanted so
I only kept it for a few minutes. ;-)

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Re: Good grief! The bug STILL exists

[MFPA]

Hi

On Wednesday 9 March 2005 at 12:36:36 AM, in
, MFPA wrote:

> After re-installing TB!, as long as I do not re-create the account
> I put into a group I am not locked out of the other accounts. As
> soon as I do, I have to enter a username to get into TB! and can
> only access that one account. This happens even if I move the
> folder for that account out of my mail folder and generate a new
> account with the same name.

Found that if I allocate a password to an administrator account
before re-creating the account in question I can then access that
admin account and remove the account from the group and after a
bit more fiddling around, everything comes together.

During the "fiddling" I had duplicate accounts, accounts that kept
renaming themselves, mysteriously appearing extra common folders,
and disappearing accounts and virtual folders.

At one point I had all accounts pointing to the same set of
folders. Not sure of the implications of this (apart from
confusing the message counter) but it may be of use to Mike
Rourke, who was looking for a "Global Inbox" in
.

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Re: Using the TB! while I have the flu?

[Mica Mijatovic]

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 9 Mar 2005, 
   @  @  at 18:09:02 +0100, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> Deliplayer2 is playing: "Return Of The Shadows" by Infected Mushroom
>  from the  album 'The Gathering'

Man, it looks like a really heavy meal. (-: Take care.

Brz oporavak to Gerard as well. Sometimes it's fun to be "nailed" to
bed, but sometimes is not. :eyes:

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Re: splitting msgs

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Leif,

On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:09:39 -0700 GMT (09/03/2005, 03:09 +0700 GMT),
Leif Gregory wrote:

T>> Because that's how it's done in business these days. I receive .doc
T>> and .xls files all the time.

LG> Yeah... another one of those "because everybody else is doing it"
LG> kinda situations! :gdr:

A truth of life. In the business world, you cannot close your eyes
from it.

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Re: splitting msgs

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MAU,

On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:59:33 +0100 GMT (09/03/2005, 00:59 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

>> Because that's how it's done in business these days. I receive .doc
>> and .xls files all the time.

M> And because many people don't even know RTF files exist ;-)

That's true. But I receive mails from all over the world and I cannot
take it up on myself to change that.

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Re: Using the TB! while I have the flu?

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Gerard & everyone else,

on 09-Mrz-2005 at 11:29 you (Gerard) wrote:

C>> Why not install UltraVNC on both (or all) machines? That's not only
C>> giving you access to mail...

> I just installed it and it works like magic.

If you have XP Pro on your desktop, you can use the built-in Remote
Desktop, no need for VNC.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/mobility/getstarted/remoteintro.mspx

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Re: Using the TB! while I have the flu?

[Mark Wieder]

Roelof-

Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 12:57:44 AM, you wrote:

Z>> Is there a way I can let the laptop access the mail directory of the Desktop
Z>> without corrupting it?

RO> You can do this in two ways. Both ways require you to have TB
RO> installed on your laptop and you've got your mail directory on your
RO> desktop shared for the network.

Not necessarily. I installed TB on the laptop to get the registry
entries in place, then uninstalled it, and now run the app from the
desktop server.

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Re: Using the TB! while I have the flu?

[Mark Wieder]

Gerard-

Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 2:29:16 AM, you wrote:

C>> Why not install UltraVNC on both (or all) machines? That's not only
C>> giving you access to mail...

G> I just installed it and it works like magic.

G> BTW It also looks like a great tool for spying on some ones machine or for
G> practical jokes :)

Well, yes, but remember that what you're doing there is
screen-sharing, so when you move your mouse the cursor also moves on
the machine you're controlling. And vice versa. You can get into mouse
war situations easily.

Although I've used this technique before for playing games over a
network, turning single-machine games into multi-player, multi-cpu
games. 

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Mod: Cut mark (was: Using a single set of filters with more than 1 account)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Pranav,

On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:02:48 +0530GMT (9-3-2005, 13:32 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

PL> filters and using the "cut tree" option and then pasting the tree in the
PL> common filters but that did not seem to help.

PL> Pranav
PL> 
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This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without
the signature and list footers since everything below and including
the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting.

You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in
your templates.

Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any
difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being
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Re: Thinking about v3

[Mary Bull]

Hello Cory!

On Wednesday, March 09, 2005, 4:05 AM, you wrote:

> Moving to v3 depends on your requirements, I'd say. For professional
> use I see no gain in smiley and rogue support, and a fancy inteface
> where large, shaded buttons take up more precious space... :-\

I think the New Filter System's added clarity and simplicity might be
worth the move. Anyone considering this move should perhaps search the
archives in regard to conserving filters from the Old Filter System.

And there were some NFS and other bugs fixed between 3.0  and
3.0.1.33. Even more improvements between 3.0.1.33 and beta 3.0.2.8.

Between 3.0.1.33 and beta 3.0.2.8 or beta 3.0.2.10 (the Pro version
that include On-the-Fly-Encryption capability) I myself greatly prefer
the beta version.

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Re: Using a single set of filters with more than 1 account

[MAU]

Hello Pranav,

> I have already created a number of filters for an account. How do I move
> them to the common filters as you suggested? I tried right clicking the
> filters and using the "cut tree" option and then pasting the tree in the
> common filters but that did not seem to help.

I have never tried the copy or cut "tree" options because I assume they
copy/cut a filter and its sub-filters. If you use sub-filters be advised
that sub-filters don't work properly as Common, see this bug report:

  https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4021

Try copy/pasting each individual filter and, once you are satisfied with
what you have in your Common Filters, you can delete your account ones
(make them Inactive while you test your Common filters).

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Re: Using a single set of filters with more than 1 account

[Pranav Lal]

I have already created a number of filters for an account. How do I move 
them to the common filters as you suggested? I tried right clicking the 
filters and using the "cut tree" option and then pasting the tree in the 
common filters but that did not seem to help.

Pranav
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Re: Using the TB! while I have the flu?

[Gerard]

ON Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 9:57:44 AM, you wrote:
Z>> Since I have a bad case of the flu now I can only sit in bed and use my 
laptop.

RO> Beterschap.

Dank je wel ;-)

Z>> Is there a way I can let the laptop access the mail directory of the Desktop
Z>> without corrupting it?



Roelof, I have un-installed [EMAIL PROTECTED] as suggested by Corry and it 
works like a
charm.

As an added benefit I can now run all my apps from my laptop.

I might not come out of bed anymore (except to play golf) ;-)

Thanks for the suggestions.


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Re: Using the TB! while I have the flu?

[Gerard]

ON Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 10:42:14 AM, you wrote:
>>Since I have a bad case of the flu now ... 

C> Beterschap!

Hartelijk dank, de koorts zakt alleen het hoesten is vreselijk :-)

>> ... I can only sit in bed and use my laptop.
>>However all my mail is on my desktop machine.

C> Why not install UltraVNC on both (or all) machines? That's not only
C> giving you access to mail...

I just installed it and it works like magic.

BTW It also looks like a great tool for spying on some ones machine or for
practical jokes :)

I am feeling better already.

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Re: Good grief! The bug STILL exists

[MAU]

Hello Allister,

> As for where the file is stored, I noted a file called groups.cfg in the
> Mail directory.  It is binary, however, so I have no idea if this is
> what causes all the trouble.  I *can* tell you it seems to be updated
> every time I shut down TB!

Why don't you try something? First, backup all your TB data (mail
directory. Then move your "groups.cfg" file top a different directory
and start TB to see what happens.

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Re: Thinking about v3

[Cory]

On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 23:35:44 -0800, Melissa Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>Is the current release version (non-beta) stable and fully functional?

Stable as software can be - nothing guaranteed. I have to restart
every once in a while for the message list pane gets corrupted -
unsure if this is a DLL conflict or TB!, although I expect the latter
("index grid out of range" is usually the first error, it gets worse
after that).
In my case (using v2.12.00 for daily office tasks), several bugs or
incomplete and even lacking functionality is still not fixed,
corrected or added although reported by many of us for a long time.
This includes basic things like the doubtful HTML editor and IMAP
support - to name just one thing, in a reply all formatting in the
%QUOTES  is still lost (I'm currently testing v3.01.33).

Moving to v3 depends on your requirements, I'd say. For professional
use I see no gain in smiley and rogue support, and a fancy inteface
where large, shaded buttons take up more precious space... :-\

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Re: Using the TB! while I have the flu?

[Cory]

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:53:59 +0100, Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Since I have a bad case of the flu now ... 

Beterschap!

> ... I can only sit in bed and use my laptop.
>However all my mail is on my desktop machine.

Why not install UltraVNC on both (or all) machines? That's not only
giving you access to mail...

As described by Roelof, #1 is the most easy in your current situation.
No need to get out off bed even, since you can use
\\desktop_hostname\drive$\ to point to the mail base, even if no
sharing had been enabled. You don't have your mail base at your
laptop, though. Whenever you disconnect your laptop from your local
network, you've got no access to your mail from your laptop anymore.
Might not be an issue, just to remind you.

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Re: Using the TB! while I have the flu?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Gerard,

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:53:59 +0100GMT (9-3-2005, 8:53 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

Z> Since I have a bad case of the flu now I can only sit in bed and use my 
laptop.

Beterschap.

Z> Is there a way I can let the laptop access the mail directory of the Desktop
Z> without corrupting it?

You can do this in two ways. Both ways require you to have TB
installed on your laptop and you've got your mail directory on your
desktop shared for the network.
1) Run TB on your laptop while it's closed on your desktop, simply
direct your laptop TB to your desktop accounts.
2) Run TB on your laptop while it's also running on your desktop,
direct your laptop TB to your desktop accounts and configure it as
'non tcp/ip workstation', this can be doe at:
  Options -> Network & Admin -> Network -> This machine is...
You've got to configure your desktop TB as 'TCP/IP or dial out server'

Unless it's necessary for you to have TB running all of the time,
the only reason to use the second way would be that your laptop can't
connect to the net (or slower or more expensive)

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