Re: Version 3.5 not showing number of emails in folder

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Paul Berger & everyone else,

on 14-Mai-2005 at 07:36 you (Paul Berger) wrote:

> New version 3.5 is no longer showing number of emails downloaded for
> account and for each folder, nor showing number of unread emails in
> bold font.

I think you only have to drag the column headers of the account tree back
into place. When you first start version 3.5 the headers are different
(much wider).

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Re: My personal icons have gone

[Henk M. de Bruijn]

On Sat, 14 May 2005 02:39:09 +0200GMT (14-5-2005, 2:39 +0200, where I
live), MAU wrote:

...

> God bless you Marek! I have my yellowish icons back :-)

How?

TIA

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Version 3.5 not showing number of emails in folder

[Paul Berger]

New version 3.5 is no longer showing number of emails downloaded for
account and for each folder, nor showing number of unread emails in
bold font.

Any way to customize for this?


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Re: The Bat! 3.5 Issues

[Roman Katzer]

On Friday, May 13, 2005, 21:26:02, Ian A. White wrote:

> It is a pity that things like this get changed. I realise that there
> has been a major rewrite, but the previous behaviour was there for
> many versions and I cannot recall anyone asking for it to be changed.

That, however, has been common occurrence recently (say the last 18
months). If you ask for something, as a rule, you're not going to get it.
And vice versa - clearly, the developers saw the need for, say, a mail
chat feature.

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Palm Synch Starts the Bat

[Andrew]

Hi All,

Weird bug in the latest version of TB!, wondering if anyone else
experienced it.

Every time I sync my Palm (OS 5, Desktop 4.1.4, latest Agendus Standard
for Windows and Palm also installed), TB! launches. I don't synch my
TB mail or have any of those conduits running  (wish I could synch my
TB mail, but that's another story).

One interesting note: During the install, TB! saw that Agendus for Windows was 
running and
asked me to turn it off. I did, before continuing.

Any thoughts?


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Glyphs for v3.5

[Mike Dillinger]

Hello,

I had a glyphs file I was using in 3.0.1.33 that I really liked and
would like to use for v3.5.  Is there a how-to or some other
documentation that shows you how to set up glyphs for v3.5?  In case it
matters, it was glyphs_tb3001.zip for The Bat! World web site.

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Re: New version threading

[Mary Bull]

Hello Steve!

On Friday, May 13, 2005, 6:51 PM, you wrote:

> Well it looks like I came just in time.

> The new threading is a great improvement thank you.

So, I'm glad you like it. I've just been informed, via a post on
tbbeta, that the new beta series is already beginning.

Come over and help us, if you want to. :)

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Re: My personal icons have gone

[MAU]

Hello Marek,

> Bitmap IDs in external batskin.xml must be different than 0,1 and 2,
> these are reserved numbers for internal batskin.xml now.

God bless you Marek! I have my yellowish icons back :-)

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Re: My personal icons have gone

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Saturday, May 14, 2005, Richard Wakeford wrote:

> Just installed version 3.5 over RC9 and I have lost mey personal icon
> set and can't get them even though I have the same batskin.xml and icon
> set as before. What has happened between the two versions to do that?

Bitmap IDs in external batskin.xml must be different than 0,1 and 2,
these are reserved numbers for internal batskin.xml now.

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Re: My personal icons have gone

[MAU]

Hello Richard,

> Just installed version 3.5 over RC9 and I have lost mey personal icon
> set and can't get them even though I have the same batskin.xml and icon
> set as before. What has happened between the two versions to do that?

As I've been informed, some changes were made between RC9 and Final in
the way batskin.xml is used.

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Re: The Bat! 3.5 Issues

[MAU]

Hello Ian,

> Seeing as The Bat! 3.5 has been released, I suppose this should be
> asked here.
> 
> Firstly, is there any way that the favourites list can be shown the
> way it was in the previous release?

Not that I know of.

> Secondly, is it possible to change the default action for double click
> on an entry in the address book with the new customising feature?

Not that I know of.

Sorry.

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Re: Threading

[Mary Bull]

Hello Mic!

On Friday, May 13, 2005, 6:33 PM, you wrote:

> Steve> Is there are away to automatically open any threads with unread
> Steve> messages to save having to click one's way down the chain?

Mic> No. But we do have smilies and pictures of the sender.

How mean! But I cherish you, anyway!

Actually, if we all lobby hard enough, we might get that feature for
Steve in the next beta cycle!! Keep the faith! ;)

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New version threading

[Steve Lee]

Well it looks like I came just in time.

The new threading is a great improvement thank you.


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My personal icons have gone

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello,

Just installed version 3.5 over RC9 and I have lost mey personal icon
set and can't get them even though I have the same batskin.xml and icon
set as before. What has happened between the two versions to do that?

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Re: Threading

[Mic Cullen]

At 18:48 [GMT+0100] on Friday May 13 (actual time - 1:48am on Saturday in Perth,
Western Australia), you wrote:

Steve> Is there are away to automatically open any threads with unread
Steve> messages to save having to click one's way down the chain?

No. But we do have smilies and pictures of the sender.

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The Bat! v. 3.5 [was Threading]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Mary!

On Friday, May 13, 2005, 4:03 PM, you wrote:

> Why don't you subscribe to tbbeta ...
> Seriously, you might at least lurk a bit. Within a few days version
> 3.5.0 may be out in a full release.

Well, talking to myself here, I guess I made that prediction off by a
few days.

It's here now, and anyone new to The Bat! might as well have it as the
earlier versions. Learn the new General User Interface and new
features without having to unlearn old ones! :)

I'm up and running, as shown in my signature, and I am very pleased
with this latest version of The Bat!

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Re: HELP!

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Chris & everyone else,

on 13-Mai-2005 at 23:44 you (Chris) wrote:

> Help! I think I'm addicted to e-mail!
> http://www.2and2.net/Uploads/Images/help.png
> Maybe it's too late for me...
> :-)

Your 980, and another 2100 from me. And I bet I'm only amateur league as
well. ;-)

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HELP!

[Chris]

Help! I think I'm addicted to e-mail!

http://www.2and2.net/Uploads/Images/help.png

Maybe it's too late for me...

:-)

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Re: Threading

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Friday, May 13, 2005, 1:30:31 PM, Mary Bull wrote:

>> Is there are away to automatically open any threads with unread
>> messages to save having to click one's way down the chain?

> Would View/Display/Only unread messages do what you're looking for?

maybe you are wanting to alt-right arrow or what ever combination gets
to next unread message, which opens at least part of that thread?

There is much to be desired in threading, watching threads, ignoring
threads here.

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Re: Threading

[Terry G. Munson]

Hello Steve,

Friday, May 13, 2005, 10:48:59 AM, you wrote:

> Is there are away to automatically open any threads with unread
> messages to save having to click one's way down the chain?

Pressing the ctrl-shift-"+" keys should open the thread.

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Re: Threading

[Mary Bull]

Hello Steve!

On Friday, May 13, 2005, 3:59 PM, you wrote:

>> Would View/Display/Only unread messages do what you're looking for?

> Not really as it hides the threads completely!

Okay. I thread by None/Received time and read (compulsively) all the
mailing list messages chronologically.

I don't think there's a way to do what you want.

Unless it might be with filters and virtual folders. (I don't do
those, either.) Miguel would know if there's a way to set up a virtual
folder/filter system for that.

Why don't you subscribe to tbbeta and start running the Release
Candidate and put a feature request for it there?


Seriously, you might at least lurk a bit. Within a few days version
3.5.0 may be out in a full release.

And a newly revised/rewritten Help File is in the works, too.

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Re: Threading

[Allister Jenks]

Friday, May 13, 2005, 10:51:10 PM, Marck wrote:

AJ>> Surely, unless one has a large number of folders to filter out to,
AJ>> then any of those target folders is also going to be relatively
AJ>> high traffic?

MDP> No folder is as "high traffic" as the inbox. None. every incoming
MDP> message pauses in the Inbox before moving to a filtered destination.

Fair enough, but this is still a relative measure.

MDP> Keeping important messages in the Inbox is suicide. That's a
MDP> substantiated fact. Messages are being added to and deleted from the
MDP> folder continually. You think NT or 9x are stable enough to guarantee
MDP> no glitches when data is being moved that frequently? I don't!

To be honest, I don't think I have ever had an issue with Windows
failing to write a file in the manner the application instructed.  The
only occasion where I have actually (apparently) destroyed data was TB!
killing off a portion of one of my inboxes!  I don't think it fair to
blame this on Windows when there is an equal (perhaps greater) chance
that TB! was to blame (and yes I know this point supports your original
advice).

AJ>> And while we're here - define "high traffic".

MDP> Adding and deleting every time messages are received, wherever they
MDP> end up. That do for you?

Again, a relative measure. And any email client must do this. Surely it
would be fundamental to any such software to ensure that this function
works correctly if no other.

AJ>> Anyone care to enlighten me?

MDP> I think I have. This is fundamental advice. I've seen too many
MDP> "Waaah!! TB ate my inbox and all my data is gone!" type posts to make
MDP> this advice anything other than firm and serious. And it's not because
MDP> TB is bad or wrong here. It's that the OS is still not stable enough
MDP> to guarantee no faults. It's that new AV solutions become ever more
MDP> Draconian in their treatment of files they deem "infected". It's that
MDP> lightening strikes can still cause a power fluctuation just as a write
MDP> operation is going on. Let's not invite catastrophe.

On this basis, you ought not to be using Windows at all.  I recommend
RISC OS.  It's so niche that no malware author would bother and it runs
rings around Windows for useability.  Running it on a laptop could be
problematic though (to avoid those power spikes).

I just checked.  My oldest email account has 4 years of emails in the
inbox.  It's only 549 and another 657 in (Known), but that must be a
decent number of writes.

5,838 emails across 9 email accounts (plus who knows how many that have
been deleted). 1 problem, ever - which was sorted out by recourse to a
backup.

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Re[2]: Threading

[Steve Lee]

> Would View/Display/Only unread messages do what you're looking for?

Not really as it hides the threads completely!


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Re: Threading

[Chris]

MAU @ 2005-May-13 2:25:40 PM
"Threading" 

>>> F4 works, but I still think that the reply button should do the
>>> same.
>> I agree!
> Shift+click on it

Personally, I think the two features should be reversed.

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Re: Threading

[Nick Danger]

Reply to message sent 5/13/2005, @ 21:45:49 (2:45 PM Locally)
~~~

Hello Miguel,

>> I never did before.

> _It_ never did befor.

You okay with that one, or do you want one more shot?

Or perhaps you've already had too many shots?

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Re: Threading

[MAU]

Hello MAU,

> I never did before.

_It_ never did befor.

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Re: Threading

[MAU]

Hello Dwight,

>> Shift+click on it  
> 
> Should also work for shift+click on reply to all, but it doesn't  :(

I never did before. I don't know if with latest RCs it should or not.

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Re: Threading

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Friday, May 13, 2005, 1:25:40 PM, MAU wrote:

>>> F4 works, but I still think that the reply button should do the
>>> same.
>> 
>> I agree!

> Shift+click on it  

Should also work for shift+click on reply to all, but it doesn't  :(


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Re: Threading

[Mary Bull]

Hello Steve!

On Friday, May 13, 2005, 12:48 PM, you wrote:

> That was the one.  %Quotes.

Our pleasure. I have some with regular expressions in them, among my
Address Book entry templates, that Marck made and supplied me with.
But you can probably do that for yourself in Tools/Address
Book/(highlight desired entry)/Edit/Properties

> Thank you very much indeed everyone.

Our pleasure.

> Next question.

> Is there are away to automatically open any threads with unread
> messages to save having to click one's way down the chain?

Would View/Display/Only unread messages do what you're looking for?

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Re: Threading

[MAU]

Hello Steve,

> The Reply template shows only %Cursor and my signature.

That was it then. I've seen in another message you now know about
%Quotes :)

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Re: Threading

[MAU]

Hello Steve,

>> F4 works, but I still think that the reply button should do the same.
> 
> I agree!

Shift+click on it :)

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Re: Threading

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Marck D Pearlstone & everyone else,

on 13-Mai-2005 at 19:11 you (Marck D Pearlstone) wrote:

> It must be a side effect of using RTV and the contorted quote stripper I
> use to reformat quotes. Okay - ignore me then.

Ah! I remember I had that when I used the ...whatever... macro extension to
automatically strip quotes.

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Re: Threading

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello MAU & everyone else,

on 13-Mai-2005 at 18:58 you (MAU) wrote:

> replaying

My most favorite typo! :-)


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Re[2]: Threading

[Steve Lee]

> F4 works, but I still think that the reply button should do the same.

I agree!

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Re[2]: Threading

[Steve Lee]

> It's a pity that development stopped, I don't see lack of HTML
> handling as an issue though, it gets deleted automatically here.

In my new business I deal with a lot of tour managers who send me html
formatted emails as well as attachments.

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Re[2]: Threading

[Steve Lee]

>
> Ah. Okay. Slight caveat - and I keep meaning to get this in as a
> BugTraq issue - If you only have one line marked, it quotes nothing. I
> find that it only works once I grab a terminating newline to finish it
> off.

No - tried that one thanks - I suspect the template theory Marck

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Re[2]: Threading

[Steve Lee]

> %Quotes
> %Cursor


That was the one.  %Quotes.

Thank you very much indeed everyone.

Next question.

Is there are away to automatically open any threads with unread
messages to save having to click one's way down the chain?


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Re[2]: Threading

[Steve Lee]

>> find that it only works once I grab a terminating newline
> 
> H, not here (see above). ;-)

This is hilarious. We are all using different programs!

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Re[2]: Threading

[Steve Lee]

> Have you defined/revised templates? What's your Reply template?

Oh dear - I can see where this is leading.  YOu can have what you want
with TB as long as you (a) do not screw the defaults or (b) create the
settings yourself.  I am not knocking that, it will ultimately lead
to a more powerful interface (in fact the same arguments I used for
SWREG) but it is hard going for a novice like
me.

The Reply template shows only %Cursor and my signature.

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Re: Threading

[MAU]

Hello Marck,

> Okay - ignore me then.

No problem, we ignore you most of the time anyway ;-)

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Re: Threading

[Mary Bull]

Hello Steve!

On Friday, May 13, 2005, 10:51 AM, you wrote:

> I am sitting on the message, highlighted the text to be quoted,
> pressed f4 (or shift reply) and all it does is open a new message
> window prepopulated with an email address and subject.

Steve, it's quite possible that the old pros who are suspecting
templates are correct.

Look in Account/Properties/Templates/Reply

See if you have anything there.

Here's what I have--but I have a lot of Address Book entry templates,
also, and they over-ride the Account template. On advice from Marck
and others, I don't use Folder templates:
___

Hello %OFromFName,

%ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, you wrote:

%Quotes
%Cursor

-- 
Best regards,
 %FromFName 

_

Hope this helps.

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Re: Threading

[Michael Geyer]

Hi Marck and list,

On Friday, May 13, 2005 at 17:50:02 GMT +0100 (which was 18:50 where I
live) Marck D Pearlstone wrote (at least in parts) and made these
valuable points on the subject of "Threading":


> You guys must all be using the PTV. I use the RTV. PTV doesn't have
> the problem. RTV does.

Not over here, my viewer is RTV - I read messages from the preview
window though. May be that's an explanation?

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Re: Threading

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Miguel,

@13-May-2005, 18:58 +0200 (13-May 17:58 UK time) MAU [MAU] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:

>>  must all be using the PTV. I use the RTV. PTV

MAU> I normally use PTV, but I have changed to RTV prior to replaying
MAU> with just the partial line quoted above highlighted. As you can
MAU> see, no problem here.

It must be a side effect of using RTV and the contorted quote stripper
I use to reformat quotes. Okay - ignore me then.

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Re: The Bat and Kaspersky

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Claude,

On Fri, 13 May 2005 15:08:52 +0200GMT (13-5-2005, 15:08 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

CR> Greetings,

CR> -- 

CR> Claude Renaud

Please use just one cutsign. TB uses only the last cutsign, so don't
confuse it by placing it twice.

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Mod: Cut mark (was: Threading)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Michael,

On Fri, 13 May 2005 18:53:19 +0200GMT (13-5-2005, 18:53 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

>> If you only have one line marked, it quotes nothing.

MG> cannot confirm, sorry! (The above was quoted with F4)

MG> Regards
MG> Michael

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just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Michael.

  )<)))'>

Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists
of a , i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line.
This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without
the signature and list footers since everything below and including
the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting.

You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in
your templates.

Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any
difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being
courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added
to your signature by the list server.

To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of
private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you
subscribed.

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Re: Threading

[MAU]

Hello Marck,

>  must all be using the PTV. I use the RTV. PTV

I normally use PTV, but I have changed to RTV prior to replaying with
just the partial line quoted above highlighted. As you can see, no
problem here.

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Re: Threading

[Nick Danger]

Reply to message sent 5/13/2005, @ 18:19:19 (11:19 AM Locally)
~~~

> Have you defined/revised templates? What's your Reply template?

I'm with Miguel on this one, it smells like an empty or rogue template
is the culprit. I've been snagged by that problem many times before
and it's always been a template problem lurking somewhere.

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Re: Threading

[Peter Fjelsten]

Marck,

On 13-05-2005 18:50, you [MDP] wrote in
:
MDP> You guys must all be using the PTV. I use the RTV.

So am I and as you can se: no probs here.

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Re: Threading

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Friday, May 13, 2005, 11:50:02 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

> You guys must all be using the PTV

Nope. Displaying text in comic sans, quoted text in arial.


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Re: Threading

[Michael Geyer]

Hi Marck and list,

On Friday, May 13, 2005 at 17:32:56 GMT +0100 (which was 18:32 where I
live) Marck D Pearlstone wrote (at least in parts) and made these
valuable points on the subject of "Threading":


> If you only have one line marked, it quotes nothing.

cannot confirm, sorry! (The above was quoted with F4)

Regards
Michael

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Re: Threading

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Alexander,

@13-May-2005, 18:48 +0200 (13-May 17:48 UK time) Alexander S. Kunz
[ASK] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:

ASK> H, not here (see above). ;-)

You guys must all be using the PTV. I use the RTV. PTV doesn't have
the problem. RTV does.

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Re: Threading

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Marck D Pearlstone & everyone else,

on 13-Mai-2005 at 18:32 you (Marck D Pearlstone) wrote:

> find that it only works once I grab a terminating newline

H, not here (see above). ;-)

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Re: Threading

[MAU]

Hello Marck,

> BugTraq issue - If you only have one line marked, it quotes nothing.

Oh yes it does :-)

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Re: Threading

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Friday, May 13, 2005, 11:32:56 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

> If you only have one line marked, it quotes nothing.

works fine here with just the above quoted, which was in the middle of
one line.

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Re: Threading

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Steve,

@13-May-2005, 16:51 Steve Lee [SL] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:

>> Ah - too late! You're already editing the reply. You should do as
>> suggested (F4 or shift-reply) while looking at the original message.

SL> Not on my Pro version it doesn't.

SL> I am sitting on the message, highlighted the text to be quoted,
SL> pressed f4 (or shift reply) and all it does is open a new message
SL> window prepopulated with an email address and subject.

Ah. Okay. Slight caveat - and I keep meaning to get this in as a
BugTraq issue - If you only have one line marked, it quotes nothing. I
find that it only works once I grab a terminating newline to finish it
off.

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Re: Threading

[Mary Bull]

Hello Steve!

On Friday, May 13, 2005, 10:51 AM, you wrote:

> Not on my Pro version it doesn't.

> I am sitting on the message, highlighted the text to be quoted,
> pressed f4 (or shift reply) and all it does is open a new message
> window prepopulated with an email address and subject.

Are you using Folder View, reading a received message?

On Shift-plus-reply, in that window, here the entire text body of the
received message is quoted.

BUT, this is important: Shift-plus-Reply arrow (the icon) will quote
only the selected (highlighted) text.

If you are experiencing a different behavior, I suspect you of having
a faulty copy of The Bat!

I'm a rank amateur, and I used to be even more of a novice. But, my
first evaluation copy--of TB! v. 1.61--lacked Preview Pane capability.
(I didn't even know at that time what a Preview Pane was.)

Anyway, in trying to help me, the folks on TBUDL gave instructions I
couldn't follow, and it turned out I had a deficient downloaded copy.
An uninstall, re-download, and re-install cured my woes.

Just a thought.

This may not be your problem at all. Anyway, welcome aboard, and I'm
glad to vicariously meet an old friend of Marck and Miguel and others
that I've grown to value here. :)

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Re: Threading

[MAU]

Hello Steve,

>> Ah - too late! You're already editing the reply. You should do as
>> suggested (F4 or shift-reply) while looking at the original message.
> 
> Not on my Pro version it doesn't.
> 
> I am sitting on the message, highlighted the text to be quoted,
> pressed f4 (or shift reply) and all it does is open a new message
> window prepopulated with an email address and subject.

Have you defined/revised templates? What's your Reply template?

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Re: Threading

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Chris & everyone else,

on 13-Mai-2005 at 14:36 you (Chris) wrote:

> F4 works, but I still think that the reply button should do the same.

I just searched the wishlist and found there is an ages old wish for that
feature. Add your supporting notes to it please:

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2486

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Re: Threading

[MAU]

Hello Jeff,

> I seem to remember 'Taz' from the Compuserve forum.

The good old times of Compuserve :)

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Re[2]: Threading

[Steve Lee]

> Ah - too late! You're already editing the reply. You should do as
> suggested (F4 or shift-reply) while looking at the original message.

Not on my Pro version it doesn't.

I am sitting on the message, highlighted the text to be quoted,
pressed f4 (or shift reply) and all it does is open a new message
window prepopulated with an email address and subject.


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Re: Threading

[Jeff Gaines]

Hello Group

On Friday, May 13, 2005, 10:10:28 AM, Steve wrote:

> A few of you may be aware that I owned a company called Atlantic
> Coast PLC and for many years we published an email/news client called
> Virtual Access.   We made VA Open Source a few years ago but
> unfortunately development has been so slow that now the time has come
> to move on as VA still has very poor html handling and nowadays html is used
> a lot.

I still have VA on the original floppies, and the manual, I seem to
remember  'Taz' from the Compuserve forum.

It's a pity that development stopped, I don't see lack of HTML
handling as an issue though, it gets deleted automatically here.

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Re: Threading

[MAU]

Hello Steve,

> Thank you very much for pointing me in the right direction for the
> Virtual Folders.  They really help but somehow I feel that they
> should be the default when it comes to in and out messages.

I'm sure that, in lack of an updated VA, you are going to love TB and
its power and many features. It is really a great program.

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Re: Threading

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Steve,

@13-May-2005, 14:50 Steve Lee [SL] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Chris:

>> F4 works, but I still think that the reply button should do the same.

SL> I find neither f4 (gives me a spell checker) or shift-replybutton does
SL> it.

Ah - too late! You're already editing the reply. You should do as
suggested (F4 or shift-reply) while looking at the original message.

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Re[2]: Threading

[Steve Lee]

> F4 works, but I still think that the reply button should do the same.

I find neither f4 (gives me a spell checker) or shift-replybutton does
it.



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Re: Threading

[Mary Bull]

Hello Chris!

On Friday, May 13, 2005, 7:36 AM, you wrote:

>> Which reminds me The Bat! folks - when we have highlighted some text
>> in a READ message why not provide a button on the SEND message that
>> pastes any highlighted text in as a quote? (Another VA feature I am
>> missing).

> F4 works, but I still think that the reply button should do the same.

Shift-plus-Reply arrow does this. I use it all the time.

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Re: The Bat and Kaspersky

[Claude Renaud]

Hi Dave,

Le vendredi 13 mai 2005 à 09:06:12, vous écriviez :

DT> Is  there a anti virus plug in for the Bat and how does the Spam engine 
work with
DT> the Bat, again is there perhaps a plugin?

Yes, in Kaspersky Internet Security Suite there are a spam and a
plug-ins for the bat! (currently in prototype stage) ...

Greetings,

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Re: Threading

[Chris]

Steve Lee @ 2005-May-13 7:52:29 AM
"Threading" 

> Which reminds me The Bat! folks - when we have highlighted some text
> in a READ message why not provide a button on the SEND message that
> pastes any highlighted text in as a quote? (Another VA feature I am
> missing).

F4 works, but I still think that the reply button should do the same.

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Re: Threading

[Peter Fjelsten]

Steve,

On 13-05-2005 13:53, you [SL] wrote in
:

>> Normally it is a bad idea to keep too many messages in the In- and
>> Outboxes.

SL> Why do you say that Peter?

As Marck explained if mailboxes corrupt the probability is much greater
for the Inbox, Outbox and Sent. Particularly the Inbox as it receives
more usage.

Maybe it's just because I'm a structuralist. :-)

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Re[2]: Threading

[Steve Lee]

>
> Hello Steve, my old friend! ;-) We still have an outstanding drink
> date.



Marck - I did not know you cared!

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Re[2]: Threading

[Steve Lee]

> Normally it is a bad idea to keep too many messages in the In- and
> Outboxes.

Why do you say that Peter?


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Re[2]: Threading

[Steve Lee]

>  I wonder if you remember
> me.

I certainly do Miguel.  YOu were very active in the VA Yahoo Group
(more or less ran it yourself).

Which reminds me The Bat! folks - when we have highlighted some text
in a READ message why not provide a button on the SEND message that
pastes any highlighted text in as a quote?  (Another VA feature I am
missing).

Thank you very much for pointing me in the right direction for the
Virtual Folders.  They really help but somehow I feel that they
should be the default when it comes to in and out messages.



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Re[2]: Threading

[Steve Lee]

> Keeping important messages in the Inbox is suicide. That's a
> substantiated fact. Messages are being added to and deleted from the
> folder continually. You think NT or 9x are stable enough to guarantee
> no glitches when data is being moved that frequently? I don't!

To be honest Marck, I have not had any issues with W2K for over 3
years. Originally I thought it was flakey but it twice turned out to
be the hardware.

I agree that filtering can be desirable but then it is even more
important to have proper default in/out threading.I had heard that
TB was very configurable but some things should be by default
methinks.

FWIW I am comfortable with a huge inbox.  My VA message files came to
half a gigabyte and I could still search for messages very rapidly
although incremental backups started to slow down a tad!

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Re: Threading

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Allister,

@13-May-2005, 22:21 +1200 (13-May 11:21 UK time) Allister Jenks [AJ]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:

... 
MDP>> ... It's not wise to use the inbox as a main storage folder - it
MDP>> is high traffic.
... 

AJ> I've heard this advice before and I am a little confused. Surely,
AJ> unless one has a large number of folders to filter out to, then
AJ> any of those target folders is also going to be relatively high
AJ> traffic?

No folder is as "high traffic" as the inbox. None. every incoming
message pauses in the Inbox before moving to a filtered destination.
The only messages not  placed there are spam processed by bayes
filters.

AJ> Further, the avoidance of a "high traffic" folder is predicated on
AJ> what? Is TB! not to be trusted with high volumes in one place? If
AJ> so, why not?

Keeping important messages in the Inbox is suicide. That's a
substantiated fact. Messages are being added to and deleted from the
folder continually. You think NT or 9x are stable enough to guarantee
no glitches when data is being moved that frequently? I don't!

AJ> And while we're here - define "high traffic".

Adding and deleting every time messages are received, wherever they
end up. That do for you?

... 

AJ> Perhaps I am missing something, but I don't see this as valid
AJ> *generic* advice unless the inbox is to be treated as a deadly
AJ> scourge.

AJ> Anyone care to enlighten me?

I think I have. This is fundamental advice. I've seen too many
"Waaah!! TB ate my inbox and all my data is gone!" type posts to make
this advice anything other than firm and serious. And it's not because
TB is bad or wrong here. It's that the OS is still not stable enough
to guarantee no faults. It's that new AV solutions become ever more
Draconian in their treatment of files they deem "infected". It's that
lightening strikes can still cause a power fluctuation just as a write
operation is going on. Let's not invite catastrophe.

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Re: Threading

[Allister Jenks]

Friday, May 13, 2005, 9:18:44 PM, Marck wrote:

MDP> Add a simple outbound mail filter to move sent mail straight to the
MDP> Inbox. But here, I have to step into soapbox mode. It's not wise to
MDP> use the inbox as a main storage folder - it is high traffic. I keep
MDP> mine empty. Once you have a good filtering system in place, inbound
MDP> and outbound messages can be routed to specific folders for specific
MDP> topics.

I've heard this advice before and I am a little confused.  Surely,
unless one has a large number of folders to filter out to, then any of
those target folders is also going to be relatively high traffic?

Further, the avoidance of a "high traffic" folder is predicated on what?
Is TB! not to be trusted with high volumes in one place?  If so, why
not?

And while we're here - define "high traffic".  If I receive 200 emails a
day and filter them to 10 folders, then I am trafficking 20 emails per
day per folder.  Another user might only receive 20 emails a day total
and yet this advice would suggest they should filter out to other
folders.  This doesn't stack up.

Perhaps I am missing something, but I don't see this as valid *generic*
advice unless the inbox is to be treated as a deadly scourge.

Anyone care to enlighten me?

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 Allister
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Re: Threading

[MAU]

Hello Steve,

It's nice to see you here! How are you doing? I wonder if you remember
me. I was and still am a fond user and great defender of VA and still
mention it many times in this and the TBBeta list.  I still have my copy
of VA 5.01 and Plus pack, although I have not used it in years.

> I would like to congratulate the authors of The Bat! for providing
> such a nice useable program.

It certainly is. And just wait and see the new release that should be
coming out quite soon. It is already in RC state.

> A few of you may be aware that I owned a company called Atlantic
> Coast PLC and for many years we published an email/news client called
> Virtual Access.   We made VA Open Source a few years ago but
> unfortunately development has been so slow that now the time has come
> to move on as VA still has very poor html handling and nowadays html is used
> a lot.

It was a real pity that development had to be abandoned, it was then
when I switched to The Bat!.

> One of the nice things about VA was the message threading and there is
> one feature I do not see in The Bat! by default but I wonder if it is
> possible to simulate with a bit of tweaking.

Yes, threading was of many great features in VA and, as I say above, I
have brought up the issue many times in TB lists.

Yes, there are different was to do/simulate what VA did. I will explain
below.

> At present all the outgoing emails go to the Sent Mail folder.  Does
> anyone know a way to have those emails remain in the Inbox but also to
> retain threading so that one can look at a received message and easily
> work one's way back up the thread including any replies sent.  In
> other words the whole discussion all in one grouping.

As I have said, there are different ways to do what you want and, once
you get acquainted with the many options TB has, you will find better
ways of improving your threading.

The easiest way to get started that I would suggest is to create a VF
(Virtual Folder), on the Filter tab select Advanced filter settings and
'Any Message'. If you are using only your Inbox and Outbox at the
moment, select them (Select Folder button on the lower left).

This way, you will see in your VF both incoming and outgoing messages.
To see them threaded, select View/View threads by/Reference. Although it
will be better that you create a View Mode (Options/Preferences/Messages
- View Modes) with your preferred column settings, atc, and then assign
it to you VF by right clicking on it and selecting Folder View Mode.

Hope I have given you a starter. But please don't hesitate to ask, there
is many helpful people in this list.

BTW, do you know anything about Peter Clapman and what he is doing? He
was (and I'm sure he still is) a great programmer. And Taz and the
others? Amrik?

Again, nice to see you here :)

-- 
Best regards,

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Re: Threading

[Peter Fjelsten]

Steve,

On 13-05-2005 11:10, you [SL] wrote in
:
SL> One of the nice things about VA was the message threading and there
SL> is one feature I do not see in The Bat! by default but I wonder if
SL> it is possible to simulate with a bit of tweaking.

What I think most does is to make filters in the Sorting office.

Normally it is a bad idea to keep too many messages in the In- and
Outboxes.

One possible setup:

  An outgoing filter that moves all Sent mail to Folder1

  Make a filter that moves all incoming mail to Folder1

Or, a filter that moves all replied mail from the Inbox to Folder1

Or, a filter that moves all read mail from the Inbox to Folder1

  And, for Folder1, make a View mode that sorts on references (or
  subject, or references and subject).

Another possible setup:

  Make a Virtual folder based on your Inbox and Sent mail and set up a
  View mode for this folder, which sorts on references (or subject, or
  references and subject).

This hopefully helps you.

-- 
 Best regards   
 Peter Fjelsten  
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Re: Threading

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Steve,

@13-May-2005, 10:10 Steve Lee [SL] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

SL> I would like to congratulate the authors of The Bat! for providing
SL> such a nice useable program.

Hello Steve, my old friend! ;-) We still have an outstanding drink
date.

... 

SL> At present all the outgoing emails go to the Sent Mail folder.
SL> Does anyone know a way to have those emails remain in the Inbox

Add a simple outbound mail filter to move sent mail straight to the
Inbox. But here, I have to step into soapbox mode. It's not wise to
use the inbox as a main storage folder - it is high traffic. I keep
mine empty. Once you have a good filtering system in place, inbound
and outbound messages can be routed to specific folders for specific
topics. For now, perhaps messages to/from known contacts should go to
a general "Conversations" folder, just to keep them away from more
general and random Incoming and Sent messages.

SL> but also to retain threading so that one can look at a received
SL> message and easily work one's way back up the thread including any
SL> replies sent. In other words the whole discussion all in one
SL> grouping.

Threading is always retained and fully maintained. You just have to
turn it on for the view mode you are using for a particular folder.

SL> I am actually also surprised that the default setting for threads
SL> is "none" rather than by subject or references.

For those users coming "up" to TB rather than "sideways" would be more
confused by threading on by default than not. I think it's the right
way to go since turning it on is a simple enough procedure.

-- 
Cheers --  //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user
TB! v3.5 Return RC9 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2
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Threading

[Steve Lee]

Dear Folks,

I would like to congratulate the authors of The Bat! for providing
such a nice useable program.

A few of you may be aware that I owned a company called Atlantic
Coast PLC and for many years we published an email/news client called
Virtual Access.   We made VA Open Source a few years ago but
unfortunately development has been so slow that now the time has come
to move on as VA still has very poor html handling and nowadays html is used
a lot.

One of the nice things about VA was the message threading and there is
one feature I do not see in The Bat! by default but I wonder if it is
possible to simulate with a bit of tweaking.

At present all the outgoing emails go to the Sent Mail folder.  Does
anyone know a way to have those emails remain in the Inbox but also to
retain threading so that one can look at a received message and easily
work one's way back up the thread including any replies sent.  In
other words the whole discussion all in one grouping.

I am actually also surprised that the default setting for threads is
"none" rather than by subject or references.



-- 
Best wishes,


Steve Lee
http://jumbocruiser.com
Tel +44 7768 211612



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The Bat and Kaspersky

[Dave Thomas]

Is  there a anti virus plug in for the Bat and how does the Spam engine work 
with
the Bat, again is there perhaps a plugin?


-- 
Kind Regards

Dave Thomas
Product Manager
Psionet

Tel +27 21 683 1192
Fax +27 21 683 1196

Web: www.psion.co.za




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