Re: Question about the Mail Dispatcher
Hi Thomas, Le dimanche 15 octobre 2006 à 05:33:50, vous écriviez : TF> Hello Claude, TF> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:06:21 +0200 GMT (15/10/2006, 02:06 +0700 GMT), TF> Claude Renaud wrote: CR>> The problem is for example that I can see the full subject of CR>> messages in the dispatcher. CR>> So is there a way to increase the width of dispatcher columns ? TF> Yes, I can drag the width with the mouse. Do you have a TF> keyboard-controlled "mouse"? I've heard that some screenreaders have TF> this funtionality, emulating a mouse. Yes but it is not very easy to use ... It would be interesting if we could use the principle of view modes in the dispatcher because there we can give the width in pixels of each column and so see if the width suffice or no and adjust it accordingly... CR>> And if for example, yes another time, Microsoft Active Accessibility CR>> were used, tb would be more usible with screen reader especially when CR>> control used are not completely standard... TF> It should be used by now - I think that was what the revamp was all TF> about. What is it that is the problem when using TB with a TF> screenreader? The problem is that msaa implementation apparently does not suffice because reclassifying some windows to make them easily readable by screen readers we loose the benefice of msaa .. . CR>> And it would be also very interesting to mask/display columns we CR>> want or not as the size one which is for me at least, not useful CR>> all the time ... in fact as we can do in tb main interface ... TF> To make the dispatcher as customisable as the folders would be a wish. TF> I am not aware this has been handed in yet. Implementing view mode in dispatcher again, would be the trick ... -- Greetings, Claude Renaud Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question about the Mail Dispatcher
Hello Claude, On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:06:21 +0200 GMT (15/10/2006, 02:06 +0700 GMT), Claude Renaud wrote: CR> The problem is for example that I can see the full subject of CR> messages in the dispatcher. CR> So is there a way to increase the width of dispatcher columns ? Yes, I can drag the width with the mouse. Do you have a keyboard-controlled "mouse"? I've heard that some screenreaders have this funtionality, emulating a mouse. CR> And if for example, yes another time, Microsoft Active Accessibility CR> were used, tb would be more usible with screen reader especially when CR> control used are not completely standard... It should be used by now - I think that was what the revamp was all about. What is it that is the problem when using TB with a screenreader? CR> And it would be also very interesting to mask/display columns we CR> want or not as the size one which is for me at least, not useful CR> all the time ... in fact as we can do in tb main interface ... To make the dispatcher as customisable as the folders would be a wish. I am not aware this has been handed in yet. -- Cheers, Thomas. SYMPTOM: Beer tasteless, front of your shirt is wet. FAULT: Mouth not open, or glass applied to wrong part of face. ACTION: Retire to restroom, practice in mirror. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)
Scott, Sunday, October 15, 2006, 8:00:23 AM, you wrote: SF> Did you sign your own key? If not try that. Yes, I did sign it earlier. It's gotta be something else. -- Thanks, Rick Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hello Richard, Saturday, October 14, 2006, 7:14:35 PM, you wrote: RHS> This morning, however, I checked the properties on my key once RHS> again, and this time looked more carefully at the subkeys. The RHS> DSA subkey can sign and certify, while the ELG-E subkey, which RHS> has a different subkey id, can encrypt. (The default id is the RHS> DSA key number.) Neither of them have the authenticate box RHS> checked. Is this my problem? And if so, how do I overcome it? RHS> Should I just generate a new keypair and use different settings? Did you sign your own key? If not try that. - -- Best regards, Scottmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.80.03 under Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 (0 days 9:42:9) on Uno AMD Athlon MP pgp key: http://sfrederick.com/keys/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFFMaQu9MpAGb2a408RA0J3AKDgCr8q1IOvJmQ4baVCb2I/rE6UFgCgz38g 8nAU1Cn481lKmRCU4sAZyoY= =QooF -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)
Mica, Saturday, October 14, 2006, 11:25:54 PM, you wrote: MM> If your GnuPG otherwise works, even if just once it was working well MM> (for instance you hit Ctrl+Shift+S in TB editor and it offers the MM> "combo" with the list of your keys), then it means that it's properly MM> installed, both with the added PATH and the registry entry. It appears to be working. I've played with it some more since my earlier post, and it now decrypts and verifies signatures just fine. (Or at least those of the person with whom I've been testing it.) When I try to sign or encrypt, it gives the pass phrase dialog box, but then I get an error message saying there is no default secret key. I've repeatedly checked the preferences to make sure the paths are correct, but still can't get over this hurdle. This morning, however, I checked the properties on my key once again, and this time looked more carefully at the subkeys. The DSA subkey can sign and certify, while the ELG-E subkey, which has a different subkey id, can encrypt. (The default id is the DSA key number.) Neither of them have the authenticate box checked. Is this my problem? And if so, how do I overcome it? Should I just generate a new keypair and use different settings? -- Thanks, Rick Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ."_)~~ ~( __ _"o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 14 Oct 2006, @ @ at 21:30:39 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote: > I have been trying to make The Bat! and GnuPG work together. I > installed the latest version along with WinPT, and once in awhile it > would work, but usually not. I am now having problems with PGP as > well. In both cases, when I try to sign or encrypt using the tray app > I get error messages that state the TB! email window contains no text > or is not the last input focus. > Does anyone have any idea what is going on?? If your GnuPG otherwise works, even if just once it was working well (for instance you hit Ctrl+Shift+S in TB editor and it offers the "combo" with the list of your keys), then it means that it's properly installed, both with the added PATH and the registry entry. If you have installed it using gpg4win installer, then it has done all this work for you automatically in the setup process. If WinPT, as a part of this installation, doesn't work properly, then probably is problem with it itself. Try to use GPGShell instead (touching not your present installation; just install GPGShell, and it will automatically find and recognize GnuPG and its parameters). - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my "From" field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo & Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 <>o<> tiger192 i686 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRTErsLSpHvHEUtv8AQjbowf+JBypKAozs5mg9cOzrAP9Lx752i7Ju8jf XTmDfIn6x/Tj10L5Ko1WxJgcNgUXs9NRPSK+mWT2PTCIFy+AFAwsQ8p3WNp0bkKv I1kDkSNNTrAgJ1XC+xmrNvlwGDkri8uGS3o5uUSEq3nKKNgP5Z0FgI47SX14XVGT 8b6tu0+EE/yLyaYEz6PcWlpnC2Eg2AD4JWBpKldFaAhhRdeupywvLOF0PcRnLRGK PJvx/eg3lPHPPfoIE+b1cKVaPT1xBy0e/gsMf9zCrdtmNd3HvJhFQWv0TOYdTnih XcOMK8aidejy7dB1gsoFR8WsOLQjl9ziVzoMeAx+DqRaNASU9UJttg== =Ho+c -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question about the Mail Dispatcher
Hi Thomas, Le samedi 14 octobre 2006 à 19:21:04, vous écriviez : TF> Hello Claude, TF> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:36:51 +0200 GMT (14/10/2006, 18:36 +0700 GMT), TF> Claude Renaud wrote: CR>> So in few words, I would like to be able to use the e-mail dispatcher CR>> but could it be possible to customize it according to my needs : adding CR>> or removing columns I don't want to see, increasing/decreasing columns CR>> width ... TF> If you are using JAWS, all functions of TB should be accessible. That TF> should include customisations. For some icons and stuff, you need a TF> script, a JAWS mailing list can help better than we can. The problem is for example that I can see the full subject of messages in the dispatcher. So is there a way to increase the width of dispatcher columns ? And if for example, yes another time, Microsoft Active Accessibility were used, tb would be more usible with screen reader especially when control used are not completely standard... And it would be also very interesting to mask/display columns we want or not as the size one which is for me at least, not useful all the time ... in fact as we can do in tb main interface ... -- Greetings, Claude Renaud Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question about the Mail Dispatcher
Hello Claude, On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:36:51 +0200 GMT (14/10/2006, 18:36 +0700 GMT), Claude Renaud wrote: CR> So in few words, I would like to be able to use the e-mail dispatcher CR> but could it be possible to customize it according to my needs : adding CR> or removing columns I don't want to see, increasing/decreasing columns CR> width ... If you are using JAWS, all functions of TB should be accessible. That should include customisations. For some icons and stuff, you need a script, a JAWS mailing list can help better than we can. If you are using another screenreader, I wouldn't know. I have seen postings here were people said they use Blindows (if I remember the name of the software correctly). CR> Or is it in the todo list for an upcoming version ? If TB is not fully accessible, a bug report should be created. Some not too long while ago, Maxim went through the list I had once created and apparently fixed all shortcomings, so it is important to know if there are any left. -- Cheers, Thomas. My mouse got into my computer and chewed up the internet. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)
Alexander, Saturday, October 14, 2006, 9:37:24 PM, you wrote: ASK> In TB's main mindow, go to the Tools menu and choose OpenPGP / ASK> Select OpenPGP version. In the window that opens, GnuPG should be ASK> available. If its greyed out, you must add the path to the gpg ASK> executables to the PATH environment variable (right click on My ASK> Computer, Properties, Advanced, Environment Variables, check the ASK> box "System Variables", it contains a variable "path" - you must ASK> have admin rights to edit it). I've done this and was able to select GnPG. I then edited the file preferences to point it to my keyrings, but I still get an error message that "no secret key available" even though the key manager shows my key as the default. What am I doing wrong? -- Thanks, Rick Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)
Hello Richard H. Stoddard & everyone else, on 14-Okt-2006 at 18:30 you (Richard H. Stoddard) wrote: > I have been trying to make The Bat! and GnuPG work together. I > installed the latest version along with WinPT, and once in awhile it > would work, but usually not. I am now having problems with PGP as > well. In both cases, when I try to sign or encrypt using the tray app > I get error messages that state the TB! email window contains no text > or is not the last input focus. Tray app? I don't think you need it. > Does anyone have any idea what is going on?? In TB's main mindow, go to the Tools menu and choose OpenPGP / Select OpenPGP version. In the window that opens, GnuPG should be available. If its greyed out, you must add the path to the gpg executables to the PATH environment variable (right click on My Computer, Properties, Advanced, Environment Variables, check the box "System Variables", it contains a variable "path" - you must have admin rights to edit it). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) The errors to avoid are those that eliminate opportunities to try again. -- Lazar Goldberg Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)
I have been trying to make The Bat! and GnuPG work together. I installed the latest version along with WinPT, and once in awhile it would work, but usually not. I am now having problems with PGP as well. In both cases, when I try to sign or encrypt using the tray app I get error messages that state the TB! email window contains no text or is not the last input focus. Does anyone have any idea what is going on?? -- Thanks, Rick Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: "Reply to" problem
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:05:23 +0200, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: >>I call it "stupid" because it serves no purpose whatsoever. No >>other mail-client that I know of understands it, no e-mail >>user that I know of cares about it. It's just code sitting in >>there for nothing. >Well, I know of other email clients that use the same reply >numbering. Yes, I'm sure you do. >Limiting whats good and bad, Nice discussion technique! There's an appropriate English word for it and it's called "innuendo" >or "stupid", to your own limited knowledge of things, and >judging the usability of it by that and your own limited >imagination, is maybe the same. It's obvious you don't know the difference between stupidity and common sense. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Question about the Mail Dispatcher
Hi tbudler, I'm curently using a popmail e-mail checker, PopTray, to take a look to my e-mail before retrieving them. The advantage of this solutions is that it is relatively accessible with my screen reader, yes I'm blind... But the problem is that I'm obliged to use this program in conjunction with TB which is according to me not really necessary as TB has its own e-mail checker : the E-mail dispatcher. The problem with the e-mail dispatcher is that it is based on a gridview which does not seem to be customizable. In Poptray for example I can check or unchec kcolumns I don't want to see. I don't think it can be done on the e-mail dispatcher. And the problem is that in poptray I can read columns completely whereas in the e-mail dispatcher for exampleI only see few words of e-mail subjects... So in few words, I would like to be able to use the e-mail dispatcher but could it be possible to customize it according to my needs : adding or removing columns I don't want to see, increasing/decreasing columns width ... Or is it in the todo list for an upcoming version ? -- Greetings, Claude Renaud Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages forwarded automatically by a filter dropping attachments
Hallo MFPA, On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 01:00:56 +0100GMT (10-10-2006, 2:00 , where I live), you wrote: M> If I forward a message automatically using an incoming filter, the M> message loses all attachments. IIRC that's a bug in the version you use. -- Groetjes, Roelof I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.85.03 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpnPkBgKdaJD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
