Re[4]: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

On Sunday, September 24, 2000 at 10:25:45 AM - Fred wrote:

   FvV> Hello All,
FvV> On 24-9-2000 11:01:54, Charlie wrote:

C>> However my newsreader does allow me to highlight the text to be
C>> included in a reply so that when I hit the reply button the only
C>> included text is that which was highlighted. Simply hitting reply
C>> without highlighting includes all the original text. Can This be
C>> acheived in TB?

FvV> Yes,

FvV> Select the text you want to be included and push F4.
FvV> It's that easy. (Although your newsreader(Agent?) does it easier)


Nope, I use Gravity Fred. IMO TB and Gravity make an excelent
partnership, two of the best, most useful and powerful programs I own!

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Re[2]: Main Window in Bat!

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

On Sunday, September 24, 2000 at 11:01:05 AM - Krister wrote:

KE> that Becky could be turned into a newsreader if so desired. I haven't
KE> checked this out as of yet, but i'll do that. Maybe something for the
KE> bat folks, to at least offer newsreading capability as a plugin?

That one's not for me Krister, I'd rather TB team concentrate on
developing their email client to even greater heights. I'd guess most
Bat users fit under the heading of decerning power users, as such I
suspect they would have their preferences regarding a similar spec
newsreader. After years of honing my newsreader filters and regex
rules etc. I now have it precisely the way I want it.

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Cursor postion (&) Netorking settings

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

On 25/09/2000, at 21:17 

  Can  anyone tell me how/if I can position the cursor precisely where
  I want it to appear in the editor window? For example, if I go to my
  address  book  and  select an entry; right click> new> message - the
  editor  window  opens  with the cursor in the To: header field, why?
  I've  already  selected  the  addressee  from  the address book. To
  be picky I'd like the cursor precisely where I specify it in the
  respective template

  Does  anyone else think an on-line/off-line button for the main tool
  bar  a useful idea. The main reason I ask is I have TB set up to use
  Dial-up  networking | Use an existing connection when available | No
  automatic dial for periodical checking. Trouble is the ISP I use for
  dial-up  has  a  two  hour  cut off, and it can - at busy times - be
  difficult  re-establishing a connection. I have a couple of accounts
  set  to  check  mail boxes every 5 minutes by default, as a result I
  have  TB  trying  to  establish  a connection at the same time as my
  auto-dialer. This is despite my default instructions in TB for no
  automatic dialing(?) Perhaps I'm misunderstanding this part of TB
  and should be using; Local Area Network or manual connection in
  Network properties?
  
Charlie Turner (ceejay)

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Re[2]: Cursor postion (&) Netorking settings

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Tobias

On 25 September 2000, at 22:18, Tobias wrote

TW> Hello Charlie,

TW> On Montag, 25. September 2000 at 22:53:39 you wrote:

>> I have a couple of accounts set to check mail boxes every 5 minutes
>> by default, as a result I have TB trying to establish a connection
>> at the same time as my auto-dialer. This is despite my default
>> instructions in TB for no automatic dialing(?) Perhaps I'm
>> misunderstanding this part of TB and should be using; Local Area
>> Network or manual connection in Network properties?

TW> That is a bug in TB! I used to experiance, too (now I am connected via
TW> LAN), and that cost me quite a lot of onlinecharges when TB! dialed in
TW> while I was away. TB! autodials, despite the different setting, when
TW> something abnormal happenens during mailchecking or mailsending. I.e.
TW> if you cancel the procedures or if the internetconnection breaks down.

   Thanks  Tobias, it looks as though I'm going to have to keep an
   eye on things eh. Luckily on-line charges are not going to be a
   problem  as  I  pay  a  flat  rate  monthly  fee.  Its more the
   inconvenience  of  having  the  TB attempting to dial out which
   freaks out my auto-dialler when it can't pick up a dial tone.

Charlie Turner (ceejay)

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Re[2]: unread messages with complete thread

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Paul

On 25 September 2000, at 22:39, Paul wrote

PF> I do prefer to follow the threads but can see I'm going to have to
PF> not. It wouldn't be so bad if I could space-bar my way through the
PF> unread messages, but I end up having to use a weird combination of
PF> tabs, CTRL-]'s, CTRL-+'s and sometimes have to resort to the mouse to
PF> ensure I am at the top of the message list.

PF> Is there no expand all threads option either?

Good  question  Paul, I've puzzled over that one too - I bet there's a
key stroke for it. For me a right click menu option to expand/collapse
individual threads would be a nice option.

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Re[2]: Cursor postion (&) Netorking settings

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Tony

On 25 September 2000, at 22:43, Tony wrote

TB> This message: 25/09/2000 22:36 GMT.

TB> Hello Charlie,


TB>   A reminder of what Charlie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
TB>   25 September 2000 at 21:53:39 GMT +0100

CTc>> For example, if I go to my address book and select an entry; right
CTc>> click> new> message - the editor window opens with the cursor in the
CTc>> To: header field, why? I've already selected the addressee from the
CTc>> address book. To be picky I'd like the cursor precisely where I
CTc>> specify it in the respective template

TB> If you click anywhere in the main window your cursor will appear not
TB> where you click but where you specified in the template.

TB> Even if it did start it's life at the cursor position specified in the
TB> template, you would still need to enter a Subject. So I think a better
TB> solution would be for the cursor to be positioned initially in the
TB> subject field rather than the start of the address field.
  
Good point Tony, I really was being picky. I was interrupted part way
through that original message and left out the main reason for sending
it. This point was intended as a prelude to asking how I position the
cursor within quoted text in a reply - now asked in a separate
message.

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Re[2]: Cursor postion (&) Netorking settings

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Thomas

On 26 September 2000, at 14:28, you wrote

TF> Hallo Charlie,

TF> On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:53:39 +0100 GMT (26/09/2000, 04:53 +0800 GMT),
TF> Charlie Turner (ceejay) wrote:

CTc>>   Does  anyone else think an on-line/off-line button for the main tool
CTc>>   bar  a useful idea.

TF> What should this do exactly?

Reading or writing e-mail off-line... hitting an off-line button would
prevent auto-checking of mailboxes. Those with permanent connections
connection (unmetered Telco charges) wouldn't of course worry about
this. Only those who establish intermittent connections would have a
need fro this.

CTc>>  The main reason I ask is I have TB set up to use
CTc>>   Dial-up  networking | Use an existing connection when available | No
CTc>>   automatic dial for periodical checking. Trouble is the ISP I use for
CTc>>   dial-up  has  a  two  hour  cut off, and it can - at busy times - be
CTc>>   difficult  re-establishing a connection. I have a couple of accounts
CTc>>   set  to  check  mail boxes every 5 minutes by default, as a result I
CTc>>   have  TB  trying  to  establish  a connection

TF> Why would TB try to establish a connection if you have "no automatic
TF> redial" checked?

Precisely my point Thomas, I wouldn't have expected it to - but in my
case it does!

TF> The reason will be that at least one of the accounts has "Use specific
TF> Network..." checked with dial-up information under Account /
TF> Properties / Network. Any spefici netowrk setting will ignore the "no
TF> automatic" instruction.

TF> You have to set up your dialling instructions *inly* under Options /
TF> Network & Admin.

I only had my main account properties Networking checked to use
Account Specific Network settings... which could of course be part of
the problem. I've un-checked this option, lets see what happens.

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Re[2]: unread messages with complete thread

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Karin

On 25 September 2000, at 23:45, you wrote

>> Good  question  Paul, I've puzzled over that one too - I bet there's a
>> key stroke for it.

KS> Ctrl-*

Doesn't work for me Karin =:-/

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Re[2]: unread messages with complete thread

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Havivah

On 26 September 2000, at 22:19, you wrote

HDS> Hello Charlie and TBUDL,

HDS> Tuesday, September 26, 2000, 14:10:03, Charlie wrote:

HDS> 

KS>>> Ctrl-*

CTc>> Doesn't work for me Karin =:-/

HDS> Try Ctrl + to open an entire thread. (US keyboard)

Aha
Ctrl Shift + opens the thread
Ctrl Shift - closes it

Got there in the end :

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Re[2]: unread messages with complete thread

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Karin

On 26 September 2000, at 23:41, you wrote

KS> On 26-09-2000 at 23:19, Havivah D. Schwartz kindly wrote:
>> Tuesday, September 26, 2000, 14:10:03, Charlie wrote:

KS> [keystroke to open an entire thread]


KS Ctrl-*

CTc>>> Doesn't work for me Karin =:-/

>> Try Ctrl + to open an entire thread. (US keyboard)

KS> And wjatever keyboard lay-out you use, don't forget to have
KS> your cursor focussed on the message list... (Having it
KS> positioned on the folder won't do.)

Also  using  "Ctrl  Shift -" will only collapse the complete thread if
the  highest post in the thread is selected when using this particular
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Re[2]: unread messages with complete thread

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Marck

On 27 September 2000, at 00:08, you wrote

CTc>> Aha
CTc>> Ctrl Shift + opens the thread
CTc>> Ctrl Shift - closes it

CTc>> Got there in the end :

MDP> ...  And Ctrl-KeyPad* (US/UK keyboard) opens *all* threads in a folder
MDP> (that's what Karin was trying to say).

Gotcha! is there no end to the number of keystrokes in TB? :)

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Re[2]: custom quotes & search criteria

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Marck

On 27 September 2000, at 16:37, you wrote

JR>>   As  for  pulling the name text after "from" in a digest,
JR>>   would  this  process not become easier within a selected
JR>>   portion  of text, i.e. text in the clipboard which would
JR>>   generally  include  only  one  name?  If this is so, how
JR>>   would I apply a regular expression to selected text?

MDP> I  don't  think you can. You can perform a regexp on the quotable text
MDP> or the headers or the original text but not the clipboard.

I'm  pleased  to  hear  that.  I've been looking in the Help files and
searched  through  the FAQ but can't find anything that explains how I
would set up a regex to handle quotable text.

What  I  want  to  achieve  is  this: place the cursor after the first
paragraph  of  the  quoted text when composing a reply. I'd appreciate
any offers of help with this one. TIA

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Re[4]: Cursor postion (&) Netorking settings

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Oleg

On 27 September 2000, at 12:53, you wrote

CTc>> Reading or writing e-mail off-line... hitting an off-line button would
CTc>> prevent auto-checking of mailboxes. Those with permanent connections
CTc>> connection (unmetered Telco charges) wouldn't of course worry about
CTc>> this. Only those who establish intermittent connections would have a
CTc>> need fro this.

OZ> Why?  Why  to  make  user  to  push  buttons  if  TB!  could check for
OZ> connection to exist prior to check mail?

I've  a  feeling  I  may be doing something wrong here, so please bear
with me on this one. What happens to you (and other TB users) when you
run  TB while off-line? For me TB will repeatedly attempt to establish
a  dial-up  connection. This happens no matter how I set up properties
for any my accounts. I have heard that this may be a bug!?

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Re[2]: Cursor postion (&) Netorking settings

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Tobias

On 27 September 2000, at 15:32, you wrote

TF>>> What should this do exactly?

>> Reading or writing e-mail off-line... hitting an off-line button would
>> prevent auto-checking of mailboxes. Those with permanent connections
>> connection (unmetered Telco charges) wouldn't of course worry about
>> this. Only those who establish intermittent connections would have a
>> need fro this.

TW> Well I would appreciate an online/offline button as well (although I
TW> have a permanent connection). I have TB! check my mailinglists every
TW> 15 minutes. But obviously I cannot always read the mails every 15
TW> minutes. So it is not unusual that there pile up 100+ mails from a
TW> list, that I have to go through. During this time I would rather
TW> prefer, that TB! does not get the new mails, since it would sort some of
TW> them into threads I have already read a moment ago. I would then
TW> risk deleting the unread mail with the mail I went through.

Makes sense to me Tobias. I wouldn't place an online/offline button in
the "must have, can't live without" category but I would find it a
useful feature.


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Re[2]: Cursor postion (&) Netorking settings

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello A

On 27 September 2000, at 18:31, you wrote

TF>> Since you trash them after reading them, I think this would make
TF>> sense for you too. Would it?

ACM> He threads his messages. I understand what he's saying.

ACM> Take Gravity for instance, you can have it check the newservers at
ACM> user-defined periodic intervals, *but*, it also has an online/offline
ACM> button right there on the toolbar. Toggle it off, and it will stop doing
ACM> the periodic checks, even though you're still connected to the internet.

ACM> I agree that this would be a useful feature. There are times when I'm
ACM> downloading a file and TB! attempts to access the mail server. It has
ACM> the dickens of a time trying to connect and also slows down my download
ACM> speed. When I used to use X-Ray, these attempts would at times end with
ACM> X-Ray crashing. I have to prevent periodic checking to prevent this. I'd
ACM> prefer to just be able to hit an easily accessible switch. Right now,
ACM> what I do is to disable the periodic checking option in the account
ACM> options when I wish to. This method would of course annoy those that
ACM> need to do this 10 times per day. :-)

Very succinct, I would guess there may be a number of users that would
find an online/offilne button useful.

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Re[2]: Cursor postion (&) Netorking settings

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello A

On 27 September 2000, at 20:26, you wrote

CTc>> I've a feeling I may be doing something wrong here, so please bear
CTc>> with me on this one. What happens to you (and other TB users) when
CTc>> you run TB while off-line? For me TB will repeatedly attempt to
CTc>> establish a dial-up connection. This happens no matter how I set up
CTc>> properties for any my accounts. I have heard that this may be a
CTc>> bug!?

ACM> Actually, you *can* prevent it from checking while you're offline.

ACM> Do the following:

i) Go to Options ->> Network Administration
ACM> ii) Enable 'dial-up network connection'.
ACM> iii) Enable 'no automatic dial for periodic checking'.
ACM> iv) Enable 'Use existing Dial-up connection (if any)'.

I've tried that, and I assure you that TB *still* insists on trying to
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Re[2]: Cursor postion (&) Netorking settings

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Thomas

On 27 September 2000, at 13:01, you wrote

TF>>> You have to set up your dialling instructions *inly* under Options /
TF>>> Network & Admin. 
TF>   = "only"

Yep, done that.

CTc>> I only had my main account properties Networking checked to use
CTc>> Account Specific Network settings... which could of course be part of
CTc>> the problem.

TF> Deejay, "only one" is more than zero. You should have "Use
TF> specific network" is zero accounts. ;-)

I now have NO (zero) accounts checked to use account specific network
settings.

CTc>> I've un-checked this option, lets see what happens.

TF> I expect it works as you hoped for. At least, that's what I confirm
TF> for my home installation of TB.

Sadly no. I can confirm that TB *still* insists on trying to establish
a dial-up connection. I am as certain as I can be that I've tried just
about every permutation of settings in Network properties.

I am as certain as I can be that is a bug and will report it. It is
worth mentioning, that this bug won't show up for everyone. I believe
this may only happen when the connection is dropped remotely. My
dial-up provider operates a two hour cut off, plus due to over
subscription of this particular service line dropping is a pretty
regular occurrence too. I know what you're going to say change your
provider. Sadly for a number of reasons it's not that simple.

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Re[2]: Regex?

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Peter

On 27 September 2000, at 21:07, you wrote

CT>>I  haven't  been  able  to  find  any information in the help files
CT>>regarding  how  I  position  the  cursor  (in a reply) *within* the
CT>>quoted text. As an example, the message I want to reply to contains
CT>>4  paragraphs  and  I want to position the cursor at the end of the
CT>>first   paragraph.   Regex  I  guess  holds  the  answer  any  help
CT>>appreciated, thanks.

PS> You could try working with two regexp matches:

PS> %quotes="(regexp matching the first paragraph)"
PS> %cursor
PS> %quotes="(regexp matching from the second paragraph onwards)"

PS> but i don't know if more than one %quotes macro within one template is
PS> allowed.

Firstly  thanks  for your reply Peter. Being unfamiliar with the regex
format  used  in  TB, I really do need some in depth reading matter on
the  subject.  I've  stumbled  through some hit and miss attempts, but
sadly  I've  made  very  little  progress.  Any  suggestions regarding
reading matter, i.e. URL's or books Peter?

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Re[2]: Regex?

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Marcel

On 27 September 2000, at 22:22, you wrote

M> One of the support sites also had a small tutorial about the regexps.
M> After reading that, it was very easy to apply Regexps in TB!.

M> The url for the tutorial is:
M> http://phylabs.sci.ccnv.cunv.edu/%7Eorvcc/vim-regex.html

Is that a valid URL Marcel? All I get is "cannot find server or DNS
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Re[4]: Regex?

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Arnie

On 28 September 2000, at 16:04, you wrote

CTc>> Firstly  thanks  for your reply Peter. Being unfamiliar with the regex
CTc>> format  used  in  TB, I really do need some in depth reading matter on
CTc>> the  subject.  I've  stumbled  through some hit and miss attempts, but
CTc>> sadly  I've  made  very  little  progress.  Any  suggestions regarding
CTc>> reading matter, i.e. URL's or books Peter?

A> After Peter was kind enough to come up with a regex that's going to
A> simplify my life considerably, I decided to finally crack open a
A> book previously recommended on this list.  After 20 pages I feel my
A> understanding of RE's has increased considerably.  It's a very
A> powerful concept.  The book is "Mastering Regular Expressions" by
A> Jeffrey Friedl (O'Reilly).  It costs US $34.95 and is turning out to
A> be worth twice the price.

My use of regexp has thus far been limited to that used in Gravity. I
believe format does vary depending on the platform being used. Are the
contents of the book relevant to TB's form of regexp, or is it more of
a Perl programers book?

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Re[2]: Regex?

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Marcel

On 28 September 2000, at 18:29, you wrote

M> I copied the url from one of the pages, and the bottom half is missing
M> :( (You've gotta love IE) therefore I thought there where v's in
M> the url.

M> The one must work:
M> http://physlab.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/%7Eorycc/vim-regex.html

Yep that worked fine Marcel thanks, a very useful site. It was
promptly added my favorites folder.

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Re[2]: Cursor postion (&) Netorking settings

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Thomas

On 28 September 2000, at 03:02, you wrote

ACM>>> Actually, you *can* prevent it from checking while you're offline.

ACM>>> Do the following:
TF> [...]
CTc>> I've tried that, and I assure you that TB *still* insists on trying to
CTc>> establish a dial-up connection when offline.

TF> See my tow earlier postings in this thread. Curtis' instruction is not
TF> complete.

Seen... thanks.

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Re[2]: Cursor postion (&) Netorking settings

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Hello Thomas

On 28 September 2000, at 03:01, you wrote

TF> If you press the cancel button, *this* attempt will be cancelled, and
TF> another attempt will be made later. However, since a few versions ago,
TF> we also have an *Abort* button, and when you press that one, TB will
TF> not make another attempt. I think you didn't know this! :-)

Sorry to appear contradictory, but in my case it does. TB will merrily
go attempting to establish connections at intervals - as set in
options, periodical checking. I have stopped this by un-checking
periodical checking an all accounts. Which of course means I now have to
manually ask TB to check mail.

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Re[2]: Cursor postion (&) Netorking settings

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Tobias

On 28 September 2000, at 14:28, you wrote

>> This is not a bug. If the connection fails, TB makes anotehr attempt.

And a very laudable action that is too, but one I would like to
control. The addition of "If connections fails, attempt to establish a
new connection?" would do nicely. I have my reasons for not wanting TB
to establish the connection. But that's another (wondering off topic) story.

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Re[2]: Cursor postion (&) Netorking settings

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Thomas

On 28 September 2000, at 11:22, you wrote

TF> OK, what I would suggest the offline button to do: if, and only if,
TF> you are connected to the internet, and you press this button,
TF> periodical check will be suspended for all acounts.

TF> If you disconnect while you're offline, and then connect again, you
TF> are automatically online. If people object to this, I suggest a
TF> dialogue when TB starts up: "You are currently set up as offline.
TF> Would go switch to online operation Y/N?"

Bang on the money there Thomas. Exactly right.

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Re[2]: Regex?

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Hello A

On 28 September 2000, at 23:54, you wrote

CTc>> My use of regexp has thus far been limited to that used in Gravity.
CTc>> I believe format does vary depending on the platform being used.
CTc>> Are the contents of the book relevant to TB's form of regexp, or is
CTc>> it more of a Perl programers book?

ACM> It focus' a lot on Pearl but mentions other scripting languages and how
ACM> regex's differ between them. What it offers is a solid foundation and
ACM> understanding of regex's. TB!'s help will then fill in the concerns with
ACM> what metacharacters etc. are supported.

Well I think on your recommendation I'll go check it out, thanks
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Re[2]: Regex?

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Peter

On 28 September 2000, at 23:08, you wrote

CTc>> My use of regexp has thus far been limited to that used in Gravity. I
CTc>> believe format does vary depending on the platform being used. Are the
CTc>> contents of the book relevant to TB's form of regexp, or is it more of
CTc>> a Perl programers book?

PS> While i don't know this book, i can assure you that TB! regexps are
PS> very close to Perl regexps. The regexp implementation is not from Stef
PS> or Max themselves, but is the third party library PCRE. And PCRE means
PS> Perl Compatible RegExps... The few differences to Perl are documented
PS> in the help file. Unfortunately, with PCRE only matching is possible,
PS> while Perl has the very powerful subsitute operator working with
PS> regexps.

Sounds good enough for me Peter, I'll be off to browse the bookshelves
this weekend.

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Grid index out of range?

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

On 29/09/2000, at 08:05 

   Does anyone know what this error message refers to: "grid index out
   of range"? I was tidying one of my folders - deleting a number of
   older unwanted messages - when the error message stopped me part
   way through the process.

   As a result the first column of the message line in the folder was
   filled with gobeldydegook. It doesn't appear to have caused any
   lasting problems. So I'm just asking out of curiosity and for
   future reference.
   
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Re[2]: Cursor postion (&) Netorking settings

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Thomas

On 29 September 2000, at 08:25, you wrote

CTc>> Sorry to appear contradictory, but in my case it does. TB will merrily
CTc>> go attempting to establish connections at intervals - as set in
CTc>> options, periodical checking. I have stopped this by un-checking
CTc>> periodical checking an all accounts. Which of course means I now have to
CTc>> manually ask TB to check mail.

TF> If you are sure that you have not checked "Use account specific
TF> network settings" at at least one of your accounts under Account /
TF> Properties / Network, then I am out of my wits.

Yes Thomas, I confirm that *none* of my accounts has "Use account
specific network settings" checked. I am now convinced that this is a
bug, and have sent off a bug report.

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Re[2]: Cursor postion (&) Netorking settings

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Thomas

On 29 September 2000, at 08:28, you wrote

 This is not a bug. If the connection fails, TB makes anotehr attempt.

CTc>> And a very laudable action that is too, but one I would like to
CTc>> control. The addition of "If connections fails, attempt to establish a
CTc>> new connection?" would do nicely. I have my reasons for not wanting TB
CTc>> to establish the connection. But that's another (wondering off topic) story.

TF> Try setting "Maximum number of retries": 0 (zero). Default is 10
TF> (ten). You'll find it in the main menu under Options / Network &
TF> Admin, the same screen where your only Network set-up is.

But this is only available if "Use Account-specific Network settings"
is checked. Which presumably means the setting would be ignored in my
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Re[2]: Grid index out of range?

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Cricket

On 30 September 2000, at 00:45, you wrote

C> Info'ing to BETA list too

C> Hello Charlie,

C> Friday, September 29, 2000, 1:35:14 PM, you wrote:

CTc>> On 29/09/2000, at 08:05 

CTc>>Does anyone know what this error message refers to: "grid index out
CTc>>of range"? I was tidying one of my folders - deleting a number of
CTc>>older unwanted messages - when the error message stopped me part
CTc>>way through the process.

CTc>>As a result the first column of the message line in the folder was
CTc>>filled with gobeldydegook. It doesn't appear to have caused any
CTc>>lasting problems. So I'm just asking out of curiosity and for
CTc>>future reference.

C> I get this problem occaisionally but only when I am deleting messages
C> one at a time from a thread that has not been expanded. Usually when I
C> get to the last message in the thread or next to last message when I
C> get the "grid index out of range". Once it appears I can't open any
C> other messages until I quit TB and restart it.

That describes my experience exactly, I guess it's nothing to bother
about as it doesn't appear to have any lasting effect. I'd like to
learn why this happens - purely to satisfy my own curiosity, I like to
know *why* things happen.

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Re: Inbound TCP Communication

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Thomas

On 30 September 2000, at 19:03, you wrote

TF> Hello TBUDL!

TF> My firewall just told me that the "Application: THEBAT.EXE attempted
TF> an Inbound TCP Communication". Local Service: nbsession (139). Remote
TF> adress: 163.31.23.191.

TF> The remote address belongs to a university in Taiwan, and there are
TF> kids who try go get into my computer all the time. However, I am
TF> surprised that this time, the attempt seems to have been initiated by
TF> TB. This is new. How come?

Ok, here's something else to think about. My firewall is set up to ask
for permission when any new installation attempts to communicate for
the first time. Every program I've installed since setting up the
firewall has fired this rule and asked for permission, that is all
except oneTB!



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Re[2]: Inbound TCP Communication

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Thomas

On 01 October 2000, at 06:13, you wrote

TF> Hallo Charlie,

TF> On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:38:39 +0100 GMT (01/10/2000, 04:38 +0800 GMT),
TF> Charlie Turner (ceejay) wrote:

CTc>> Ok, here's something else to think about. My firewall is set up to ask
CTc>> for permission when any new installation attempts to communicate for
CTc>> the first time. Every program I've installed since setting up the
CTc>> firewall has fired this rule and asked for permission, that is all
CTc>> except oneTB!

CTc>> 
TF>  LOL

TF> I don't have this problem, because the app doesn't need to ask for
TF> permission. If any tries anything, and it is not explicitely permitted
TF> in the over 100 rules that I have set up for the firewall, I will be
TF> asked. Otherwise, if a firewall depended on the app to actively report
TF> there actions to the firewall, it would be conveniently easy to write
TF> an app to bypass the firewall and cause damage or disclose
TF> confidential information, if you are so inclined.

TF> I guess somewhere in the myriad of rules there is one that permits
TF> "any application" to make a POP connection and an SMTP connection. I
TF> had to permit these for TB in the beginning.

Some URL's re security that I've found useful. They may be of interest to
your good self and others in the list:
www.aks.com/esafe/enterprise/sandbox.asp
http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=1565921240
http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=1565924258
http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1999-02.html
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/Ie/security/default.asp
http://www.eeye.com/database/advisories/ad06081999/ad06081999.html
http://www.securityfocus.com/

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Re[4]: Grid index out of range?

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Jamie

On 02 October 2000, at 08:26, you wrote

JD> Hello Charlie Turner (ceejay),
JD> On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 08:07:31 +0100 GMT your local time,
JD> which was Saturday, September 30, 2000, 08:07:31 (GMT+0100) (BST) my local time,

That's one impressive macro you've set up their Jamie.

JD> Charlie Turner (ceejay) wrote:
CTc>> That describes my experience exactly, I guess it's nothing to
CTc>> bother about as it doesn't appear to have any lasting effect. I'd
CTc>> like to learn why this happens - purely to satisfy my own
CTc>> curiosity, I like to know *why* things happen.

JD> Grid index out of bounds is a Delphi/Pascal error message. I'm almost
JD> sure it's to do with calling a position in an array outside of the
JD> current bounds. However, if it really it an array the error message
JD> would be 'List Index out of bounds' (the same error message as for a
JD> list box being referenced greater than the listBox.Items.Count value).

JD> As it's a Grid Index out of bounds I'm assuming that the message list
JD> window is actually a grid (a la Excel) not as I first assumed a
JD> ListBox.

JD> As we can't see the source code (unless you'd like to be really nice
JD> to us Steffan) this is only a best guess.

Thanks for your help Jamie, however I have to admit that Delphi/Pascal is
going over my head. Basic, Markup, Flash etc. is more my bag ;)

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Re[3]: email services that work well w/ TB!

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Alinda

On 02 October 2000, at 17:56, you wrote

-snip-
AH> I can thoroughly recommend crosswinds. POP3, SMTP, unlimited space mail box and
AH> webspace. No ads, free. Been using it for some months with The Bat! and have no
AH> complaints.

AH> http://www.crosswinds.com

Think you'll find that's www.crosswinds.net

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Original message not quoted?

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

On 02/10/2000, at 22:57 

Don't know if anyone can throw any light on why when I attempt to reply to one
particular message the original message is not quoted. Unless that is
I choose to display the RFC-822 headers for the original message!?

I do have %QUOTES in the reply template. When replying to other messages
in the some folder the original message *is* quoted, which confirms to
me that I have no apparent problems with the template.

In case it's relevant here's the header:

Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: from latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net (latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net [195.40.1.40])
by mars.zenithtech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00885
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:45:36 GMT
(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Received: from oemcomputer (tnt-8-295.easynet.co.uk [195.40.205.39])
by latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 54DFA53679
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon,  2 Oct 2000 20:01:34 +0100 (BST)
From: False <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Mailer: Poco 2.1 (733) - EVALUATION VERSION
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:43:16 +0100
X-URL: http://www.pocomail.com/
X-Mark: 0
Subject: Thakz
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-UIDL: bP8!!D\^"!Hc(!!#/1!!

[Names &  e-mail address's altered]

Charlie Turner (ceejay)

TB ver:1.46d | On Windows 98 4.10 1998 Pll 350Mhz (128MB Ram)

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Re[2]: Original message not quoted?

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Ming-Li

On 03 October 2000, at 15:33, you wrote

-snip-
ML> When replying, however, TB would look for only the plain-text part,
ML> and quotes nothing when it couldn't find it. The workaround is to
ML> select the part you want to quote and hit F4.

I guess that's the answer Ming-Li. I've also asked the sender (using Poco) if
they would consider setting Poco up to send plain text. Thanks for your help.

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Re[3]: privacy & encryption

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Graham
On 04 October 2000, at 09:48, you wrote:

G> Go to Tools/Privacy/Choose PGP Version and check the radio button
G> for "PGP 6.x/6.5.x".  You will have to download the .dll from the
G> Ritlabs web site as well, but it does work.  As I understand it,
G> PGP 6.5.8 is basically PGP 6.5.3 with the ADK bug removed.

I've been looking around for the .dll Graham. Do you have the URL for
it by any chance?

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Re[5]: privacy & encryption

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Graham
On 04 October 2000, at 20:11, you wrote:


CT(>> I've been looking around for the .dll Graham. Do you have the URL for
CT(>> it by any chance?

G> Certainly, Charlie, its 

G> http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/download.html

   I've downloaded the PGP Plugin DLL 98k file (v5.5, v6.0 & v.6.5)
   After unzipping it appears to be batpgp55.dll, when I believe I should
   be installing batpgp60.dll.
   
   Also never having had the occasion to install .dlls before I could
   do with some pointers. Any help greatly appreciated Graham.

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Re[2]: privacy & encryption

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Hello A
On 04 October 2000, at 22:54, you wrote:

ACM> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

ACM> On Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:17:14 +0100, Charlie Turner (ceejay) wrote:

CTc>>I've downloaded the PGP Plugin DLL 98k file (v5.5, v6.0 & v.6.5)
CTc>>After unzipping it appears to be batpgp55.dll, when I believe I should
CTc>>be installing batpgp60.dll.

CTc>>Also never having had the occasion to install .dlls before I could
CTc>>do with some pointers. Any help greatly appreciated Graham.

ACM> Unzip the DLL's into your TB! installation directory. Close and restart
ACM> TB!.

 Ok done that, and still nothing! I've checked to confirm that the
 batpgp60.dll is in the same directory as TB!

ACM> You may then go to the Tools | Privacy | Choose PGP Version menu item.

 Yep, no problem there.

ACM> Select the appropriate version and you should then have things working
ACM> fine. This will be evidenced by new Privacy menu items appearing, ie,
ACM> PGP Preferences and PGY Key Manager.

 The menu items are listed all right. Privacy-> PGP-> shows up six
 options; Sign Block, Sign Entire Text etc. but selecting them
 does nothing!

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Re[2]: privacy & encryption

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Hello A
On 04 October 2000, at 23:52, you wrote:

ACM> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

ACM> On Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:18:51 +0100, Charlie Turner (ceejay) wrote:

CTc>>  Ok done that, and still nothing! I've checked to confirm that the
CTc>>  batpgp60.dll is in the same directory as TB!

ACM> You should be using batpgp65.dll and not batpgp60.dll. Make sure that
ACM> batpgp65.dll is in the TB! installation directory. You can forget the
ACM> others as I've done.

Spot on! That's done the trick my friend, thank you very much.
I was about to shut down and head for bed when I got your reply, I
can now go off to sleep happy and contented.

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Re[2]: privacy & encryption

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello Marck
On 04 October 2000, at 23:45, you wrote:

MDP> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
MDP> Hash: SHA1

MDP> Hi Charlie,

MDP> On 04 October 2000 at 23:18:51 GMT +0100 (which was 23:18 where I
MDP> live) Charlie Turner (ceejay) wrote and made these points on the subject
MDP> of "privacy & encryption":

ACM>>> Unzip the DLL's into your TB! installation directory. Close and
ACM>>> restart TB!.

CTc>>  Ok done that, and still nothing! I've checked to confirm that the
CTc>>  batpgp60.dll is in the same directory as TB!

MDP> And how about batpgp65.dll - the one that goes with PGP 6.5.x?

I should have guessed it would be 65 and not 60 really, but it's
late... that's my excuse Marck ;)

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP 6.5i

iQA/AwUBOdu4TWF2uvX8zCSMEQJW2ACgm4kb9jLc0vbjA0ZlBjfl1TbCmxsAoOkJ
J7WlIsgUO+7q5z2hyb1O7DXW
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Re[2]: privacy & encryption

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello Karin
On 05 October 2000, at 00:02, you wrote:

KS> On 05-10-2000 at 00:18, Charlie Turner (ceejay) kindly wrote:

ACM>>> Unzip the DLL's into your TB! installation directory. Close and restart
ACM>>> TB!.

>>  Ok done that, and still nothing! I've checked to confirm that the
>>  batpgp60.dll is in the same directory as TB!

ACM>>> You may then go to the Tools | Privacy | Choose PGP Version menu item.

>>  Yep, no problem there.

ACM>>> Select the appropriate version and you should then have things working
ACM>>> fine. This will be evidenced by new Privacy menu items appearing, ie,
ACM>>> PGP Preferences and PGY Key Manager.

>>  The menu items are listed all right. Privacy-> PGP-> shows up six
>>  options; Sign Block, Sign Entire Text etc. but selecting them
>>  does nothing!

KS> You need to go to your main menu, select Tools, select
KS> Privacy, select PGP Preferences. Make sure that under the
KS> e-mail tab S/MIME is unckeched and that under General, it
KS> says 'always encrypt to default key' if you want to be able
KS> to read your own mesages back --

KS> -- Wait. Have you installed PGP? It's not so that TB does it
KS> all by itself. The dll simply provides a plug-in that sevres
KS> as a mediator between PGP and TB. You need to install PGP
KS> first for it to work.

   Thanks for you help Karin, as you will see from earlier posts
   I now it sorted. What would I do without this list though?

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Re[2]: glyphs documentation request

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

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Hello Jason
On 05 October 2000, at 08:24, you wrote:


JT> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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JT> Hello Charlie and everyone else...

CTc>> would I be correct in thinking that this thread is referring to
CTc>> the editing of graphic images used within TB?

JT> Hmmm...Depends on what you're thinking specifically.

JT> Glyphs can change the icons in TB, yes.

Aha! Now I would definitely be interested in learning more

JT> Glyphs can not "skin" TB or change its startup logo.

I'm not concerned with a skin, and I've switched the splash screen off
anyway Jason.

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Re[3]: privacy & encryption

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Gerd
On 05 October 2000, at 16:39, you wrote:

>> -- Wait. Have you installed PGP?
GE> Great, Karin !! I just imagine this had been the error: ROTFLMAO !

Ho Ho

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Re: FONT

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Hello Raoul
On 07 October 2000, at 6:29:33 PM, you wrote:

RC> SIR,

RC> Is it possible to set my font to Arial or Times New Roman. I have
RC> noted The Bat's preference for Courier. Is there a reason for this?

 Go to: Options-> Editor Preferences-> Select the "Display" tab.
 From this window you can change the font, for another fixed width
 Font. Hit "Change" button (top right), and select your preferences.
 When finished hit "OK" and you've made your changes.

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Macro options

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Composed on 08/10/2000, at 14:09 GMT

 I've spent some time looking through the TBUDL archive, and
 discovered a couple of macro options that I'd not seen
 before. I'm beginning to wonder if there might be more macro
 options available than are actually listed when hitting the
 macro button when composing a template.

 For example I couldn't find the following: %QUOTESTYLE &
 %QINCLUDE which are just two macro options I discovered while
 going back through the archive. Or have I missed a complete
 section on TB! macro's somewhere?!

Charlie Turner (ceejay)

TB ver:1.46d | On Windows 98 4.10 1998 Pll 350Mhz (128MB Ram)

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Re[2]: Macro options

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Thomas
On 08 October 2000, at 14:59:35 +0100 you wrote:

TF> Hallo Charlie,

CTc>>  For example I couldn't find the following: %QUOTESTYLE &
CTc>>  %QINCLUDE which are just two macro options I discovered while
CTc>>  going back through the archive. Or have I missed a complete
CTc>>  section on TB! macro's somewhere?!

TF> Help / Topics / Message Templates / The Complete List of Template
TF> Macros. :-)

Well I'll be so it is! Searching TB! Help is akin to a
magical mystery tour at times ;)

 
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Re[2]: Macro options

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hi A
 On Sunday, at 3:06:53 PM you wrote:

ACM> These are both listed in the help's macro list. There are other recent
ACM> ones which haven't been added to the list as yet. The introduction of
ACM> new macros tends to lag the help. New macros recently introduced include
ACM> the %Comment, %Comment="" and %Org="" macros. These are not yet in the
ACM> help AFAICS.

Imagine just how much more deadly TB! could be with a really well
written manual and help file. Is there no end to the hidden options
within TB!? ;-)

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Re[6]: backup problem and 30 day Trial question

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Hi Britta,
 On Mon, 09 Oct 2000, at 23:19:39 [GMT +0100] you wrote:

B> Regards,

B> P.S.: I'm new to this list (on digest) - Hello to everyone.

Hi 

and welcome.

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Re[2]: Grid index out of range?

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Thomas

On 03 October 2000, at 03:59, you wrote

TF> Hi Charlie,

TF> On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:48:18 +0100GMT (03/10/2000, 01:48 +0800GMT),
TF> Charlie Turner (ceejay) wrote:

JD>>> Grid index out of bounds is a Delphi/Pascal error message. I'm almost

CTc>> Thanks for your help Jamie, however I have to admit that Delphi/Pascal is
CTc>> going over my head. Basic, Markup, Flash etc. is more my bag ;)

TF> It's the opposite here. But then, I'm also a user, and regardless of
TF> whether I can explain *why* the error occurs, I'm unhappy *that* the
TF> error occurs. It's a long-standing bug and I suggest the developers
TF> fix the old bugs before going on with any new functionality, as
TF> necessary as the new func may be.

I go along with your sentiments Thomas, but as you know I've not been using TB
long enough to familiarize myself with any long standing problems.

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Re[2]: glyphs documentation request

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Marck

On 03 October 2000, at 10:26, you wrote

MDP> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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MDP> Hi Jason,

MDP> On 03 October 2000 at 02:50:24 GMT +0200 (MEST) (which was 01:50 where I
MDP> live) Jason Thompson wrote and made these points on the subject
MDP> of "glyphs documentation request":

JT>> Yes, a how-to would be great if you don't mind. Thanks.

MDP> If you would like to send me a copy with any graphical examples, I
MDP> will include it in the TB FAQ web site if you like.

I've been intrigued and somewhat mystified by the subject of thread. I
suspect I might have the gist of it though, would I be correct in
thinking that this thread is referring to the editing of graphic
images used within TB?

If so, I'd be *very* interested in learning more!

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