Re[2]: Sharing Filters
Hello Thomas, Wednesday, October 2, 2002, 9:27:00 PM, you wrote: snip TF I would be insterested in knowing what you intend to do. If you think TF the filtering system is not very easy, it is a good time forofficial TF suggestion, because the developers are completely revamping the TF filtering system for v2. There are no news about what will be changed TF though, but I hope a few of my suggestions will find their way into TF it. ;-) And where do those official suggestions go? For something as powerful as TB and the filtering process, i find it funny (well .. err :-) that some, what seem to me, intuitive features are missing. The two biggest, off the top of my head, are Shared Filters and Single Creation of Filter for both IN and OUT Shared Filter Example: Spam is Spam is Spam .. Thanks to some lists I am on I get offers to increase the size of just about everything .. and them offers to reduce .. to me a single filter to cover all accounts (with optional switch to turn off) is in order. IN/OUT Filter Example: I have an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want to have a folder for all correspondence to/from SpadeDetectiveAgency.com Go into create filters and at that point i have to say if I am creating and inni or outti. It would seem to me that it should be possible to define this in one place. If I receive from or send to .. put the mail here. As for what I am going to do .. for right now I will work on figuring out the format of the Filter record (why oh why do developers like to use char 0?) and once I feel comfortable with the format I will work on a) a *shared filter* creator .. for TB that would mean a copy samething everywhere b)way to define a filter for both in/out in one place Just some things to make my life easier G Thanks for the note .. -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using 'The Bat' 1.61 Using 'OS' Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sharing Filters
Is there any way to share filters between accounts? There are several filters which I want in all accounts but do I really have to create these in each account? Where are the filters saved? what 'dos' file -- Best regards, David mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using 'The Bat' 1.61 Using 'OS' Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Sharing Filters
Hello Miguel, Thanks for the reply on copying filters .. Do you know where the Filters are stored? -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using 'The Bat' 1.61 Using 'OS' Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Sharing Filters
Hello Thomas, DTS Do you know where the Filters are stored? TF In the files account.srx in your mail directories. Thanks .. I had though I looked there sigh Guess i will have to write an app to maintain these a little easier -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using 'The Bat' 1.61 Using 'OS' Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: created v rcvd time anomoly
DTS How about an option for the bat which would get current time from one DTS of the many site locations. This could happen at startup, mail DTS receive/send what ever. TF TB is an email client. Do not make it a circus, like those monolithic TF MS products. Circus .. good way to discuss something TB now has backup facility .. there are plenty of those around. DID you claim the developers were making a circus of TB then? DTS I use one of these products and know my system is *always* sync'd but DTS it would be a nice feature. TF There are enough freeware synch proggies around. I personally use TF AboutTime (URL already submitted by Terry Mundis). I think integrating TF this funcitonality into an MUA is pure bloatware. I think backup in a email client is bloatware. -- DSig David Tod Sigafoos mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using 'The Bat' 1.48 Beta/11 ` ( O O ) ___oOOo__( )__oOOo___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: created v rcvd time anomoly
On 11 Dec 11:52PM, I rcvd a msg created on 12 Dec 12:04AM. I believe this file was created in the US. ML One of you (or both) has a slightly inaccurate PC clock. What's the ML problem? How about an option for the bat which would get current time from one of the many site locations. This could happen at startup, mail receive/send what ever. I use one of these products and know my system is *always* sync'd but it would be a nice feature. -- DSig David Tod Sigafoos mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using 'The Bat' 1.48 Beta/11 ` ( O O ) ___oOOo__( )__oOOo___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: created v rcvd time anomoly
Hello Marck, Thursday, December 14, 2000, 7:48:29 AM, you wrote: MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MDP Hash: SHA1 MDP Hi David, MDP On 14 December 2000 at 07:01:39 -0800 (which was 15:01 where I MDP live) David Tod Sigafoos wrote and made these points: On 11 Dec 11:52PM, I rcvd a msg created on 12 Dec 12:04AM. I believe this file was created in the US. ML One of you (or both) has a slightly inaccurate PC clock. What's the ML problem? DTS How about an option for the bat which would get current time from DTS one of the many site locations. This could happen at startup, DTS mail receive/send what ever. MDP That's not going to help with the "created time" on a received message MDP - - the topic being discussed :-). Now, if there were a time synch tool MDP that could affect someone *else's* PC remotely whenever they send you MDP a message ... well! oh .. and all this time i thought it would update someone elses system -- DSig David Tod Sigafoos mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using 'The Bat' 1.48 Beta/11 ` ( O O ) ___oOOo__( )__oOOo___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: created v rcvd time anomoly
Hello Markus, Thursday, December 14, 2000, 7:54:08 AM, you wrote: MG Hi, MG On Thursday, December 14, 2000, 4:01:39 PM, David Tod Sigafoos wrote: How about an option for the bat which would get current time from one of the many site locations. This could happen at startup, mail receive/send what ever. MG I object. The Bat should not become a NTP (network time protocol) MG client. Everybody wanting to have an accurate local time on his/her MG machine may decide to install an NTP client separately. I object too -- DSig David Tod Sigafoos mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using 'The Bat' 1.48 Beta/11 ` ( O O ) ___oOOo__( )__oOOo___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[4]: created v rcvd time anomoly
David [...] an option for the bat which would get current time from David one of the many site locations. [...] I use one of these David products [...] JRWhile the programmers consider your suggestion, which product(s) JRin this category do you recommend? The Bouvs wanna know. Jan, There are a couple .. One I have used for a long time is called Atomic Clock from parsons Technology. They are now part of mattelinteractive so not sure their product is still around. The one I am testing is Clockwise .. www.jrsoftware.com It has some nice features. It costs 29$. As I said I have just started testing it but will be happy to let you know. (later that same morning .. didn't even know I was gone did you :-) Actually Atomic Clock is still available at http://www.mattelinteractive.com/store/product.asp?OID=4142355SC=0120056015CID=99 Seems they have enhanced it with a lot of additional features. -- DSig David Tod Sigafoos mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using 'The Bat' 1.48 Beta/11 ` ( O O ) ___oOOo__( )__oOOo___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: news lists
Hello Ming-Li, Sunday, December 10, 2000, 6:43:24 AM, you wrote: ML On Saturday, December 09, 2000, 12:57:58 PM, David wrote: No TB can't be used as a news reader. The one that comes with Netscape works very very well OR there is always Agent. Both are free ML Netscape version? Haven't tried it for news for a long time, but ML don't think it's in the same league of those news specialists ML (Agent, Gravity, XNews, etc.). Of course, it's surely a matter of ML needs and tastes. Don't remember mentioning any leagues? IF the user has NS then it is a good solution to try. A place to start. I find it very useful (along with FREE agent) for reading threading news. Don't know what else it would be used for. Possibly storing away gigabytes of messages that will never be seen again. And not looking it for meail as it seems I have a fair mail product. ML And Agent isn't free. (Free Agent is free, but its power is quite ML limited compared to Agent.) And of course you are right here (as has been pointed out before). I would have though that when the user goes to forte they would SEE that there is a free on and a pay for one. Glad you pointed this out though. Not sure of the limits .. but then I get the info I need .. save of specific messages and move on. -- DSig David Tod Sigafoos mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using 'The Bat' 1.48 Beta/11 ` ( O O ) ___oOOo__( )__oOOo___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: news lists
JRI'm not an experienced news forum reader. Can I use TB! to read JRnews groups? And can someone tell me where I can find information JRhow to set TB! up for a newsgroup? I searched FAQ without much JRsuccess. Jan, No TB can't be used as a news reader. The one that comes with Netscape works very very well OR there is always Agent. Both are free -- DSig David Tod Sigafoos mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using 'The Bat' 1.48 Beta/11 ` ( O O ) ___oOOo__( )__oOOo___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: New message notification
Hello Marck, Tuesday, December 05, 2000, 3:48:49 PM, you wrote: MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MDP Hash: SHA1 MDP Hi dsig, MDP On 05 December 2000 at 11:56:14 -0800 (which was 19:56 where I MDP live) David Tod Sigafoos wrote and made these points: DTS .. no ticker taking over the screen MDP g I just couldn't resist: http://www.silverstones.com/takeover.jpg MDP The ticker *can* be tamed. And it is *so* useful. Each to his own, I MDP guess. If you are pointing out the ticker at the bottom of the screen .. yes it can be 'tamed' but it is still in my screen space. As I write code with multiple screens open (yada yada) things flashing or sounds burping/farting/ticking etc (though some of those noises are more the fault of my comrades) tend to interrupt my concentration (though music of Bartok to ZZTop doesn't .. odd). So I have my StartBar in 'hide' mode and every once in a while run the cursor down to see what's shaking with the bat. If flapping i have to check it. IF just the really REALLY important folders were tagged to flap then I wouldn't have to get out of the stream other than important messages. Sort of like the old Rocky and Bullwinkle thing ... Bullwinkle "Rocky .. watch me pull a rabbit from my hat" Rocky "Oh that trick never works" Bullwinkile "Nothing up my sleve" Rocky "Is it important?" Bullwinkile "This is what I really call a message" flap flap flap As for your picture .. since you probably have a filter which transfers all messages from me into the really important folder which the tickler is part of .. yeow .. I am honored :-) -- DSig David Tod Sigafoos mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using 'The Bat' 1.48 Beta/8 ` ( O O ) ___oOOo__( )__oOOo___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: New message notification
CaLViN [...] Whenever I get new Mail (or to be more precise, when I have CaLViN unread Mail anywhere) the bat flaps its wings in the system CaLViN tray. I'd like an option (on a per folder basis) whether or CaLViN not the bat should indicate unread mail by flapping. [...] JRAs an alternative you can set your eMail ticker to only show msgs JRthat are filtered to certain folders. Jan .. although the 'ticker' is a cute feature, for me it just becomes an annoyance. It would be nice to have TheFlap respond to folders Love those Bouviers -- DSig David Tod Sigafoos mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using 'The Bat' 1.48 Beta/8 ` ( O O ) ___oOOo__( )__oOOo___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: New message notification
David It would be nice to have TheFlap respond to folders KJ What about a different sound for the important folders of yours? KJ Wouldn't that help as it is not possible to customize "TheFlap" (by KJ now?) ? Yes .. i can (and do) do that now BUT it would be nice if my computer made less beeps, burps etc. It would just be nice to have that little bat flap .. no noise .. no ticker taking over the screen thanks -- DSig David Tod Sigafoos mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using 'The Bat' 1.48 Beta/8 ` ( O O ) ___oOOo__( )__oOOo___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Starting to crash
DW Just as I was thinking I must register it I've had problems twice this DW evening. Once it shut down while sending with a message about no DW parent window, and once I had a problem with a folder which it managed DW to correct (nice, but made me nervous) -- sorry, I didn't write down DW the problem in time, it may have been something to do with a thread. Of all the things I don't like about TB .. stability isn't one of them. This possibly the most stable sw I have used in a long time. Even the betas have been very stable (well there was one back there a little weird. What is your configuration? What else is running when TB is running? What new sw have you put on. Questions Questions Questions -- DSig David Tod Sigafoos mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using 'The Bat' 1.48 Beta/8 ` ( O O ) ___oOOo__( )__oOOo___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: reply quote not working
TF If you mean that the incoming message was not quoted when you hit TF reply, those messages probably came in as HTML but not alternative. TF Check the headers fgor content-type. TF I said it before and I'll say it again: For those messages, TB fakes a TF plain-text message when you set HTML auto-view "off" but refuses to TF use this same method for replying, and that is annoying. Greatly TF annoying, and it makes TB unusable for people like my mother. How TF would I epxlain headers to her? She just wants to reply to an incoming TF message! TF Does anybody agree with me? Yes. To me this is another 'bit' which the bat falls short. It is all well and good to tilt at windmills and chant 'no html .. no html' BUT it is there. Plain and simple. It is not going away so how can BAT make working with it easier. It does a good job at making a text version. SO why not pass that on to the reply? -- DSig David Tod Sigafoos mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: reply quote not working
Hello David, Tuesday, November 28, 2000, 6:35:41 AM, you wrote: TF If you mean that the incoming message was not quoted when you hit TF reply, those messages probably came in as HTML but not alternative. TF Check the headers fgor content-type. TF I said it before and I'll say it again: For those messages, TB fakes a TF plain-text message when you set HTML auto-view "off" but refuses to TF use this same method for replying, and that is annoying. Greatly TF annoying, and it makes TB unusable for people like my mother. How TF would I epxlain headers to her? She just wants to reply to an incoming TF message! TF Does anybody agree with me? DTS Yes. To me this is another 'bit' which the bat falls short. It is DTS all well and good to tilt at windmills and chant 'no html .. no html' DTS BUT it is there. Plain and simple. It is not going away so how can DTS BAT make working with it easier. It does a good job at making a text DTS version. SO why not pass that on to the reply? BUT in follow up I must say that in just going back and testing this I do not see this behavior any more sigh. Although I *know* that this was happening I do not know what could have corrected this. SO to BAT .. i apologize. Although I find some bits anoying this is possibly the most powerful product out there. -- DSig David Tod Sigafoos mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Anomaly?
MSG The total number is always correct, but the total number selected is MSG usually 2--even though I have only one message highlighted. TF While I get this box also only sometimes (there must be some logic TF somehwere...), I confirm it always says "2 Message Selelcted" even if TF I have selcted only one. View is set to split-mode full height preview mode. If I have one item selected I do not get the message. Any more than 1 and I get the x messages xxx selected. The selected count always seem to be correct. This message display is similar to what you get if you move the cursor to the folder tree .. to the right of a folder whos entire name does not show. The message displays and then times out. It will not display again unless the cursor leaves the message list pane and returns. If this is the same message .. once again the count seems to be always correct for selected items. These messages I am talking about are probably from the Options/Cool Hits -- DSig David Tod Sigafoos mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Manually sort the order of my foldes?
AT I know I can auto-arrange folders within my account alphabetically by AT clicking on "folder", but what if I want to manually arrange the order of my AT folders? In fact, I want to have the "personal folders" first, and the AT "mailing list folders" second. Unless I am missing what you are asking for .. simply hold the alt key down, select the folder with you mouse and move up/down the folder list. This works within an account -- DSig David Tod Sigafoos mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Received time
ACM Personally, I prefer the received time as TB! defines it. After-all, it ACM doesn't really matter to me when the server received the message because ACM I haven't personally received it until I have downloaded it. Knowing ACM when the mail hit my inbox is therefore more useful. I can tell others ACM when I downloaded their messages. Please sir .. since it is part of the rfc header wouldn't it be possible to expose this information and allow the users to determine which time to use. For example I receive many many mails during the night and so have many many mails with 1 receive time in the morning. it is not possible to read them in any order as they all have the same receive time. if i were allowed to see them according to the time my server received then then I could follow the thread of thought. sorry to interrupt Dsig David Tod Sigafoos -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Rebuild Msg index
Hello Marck, Friday, November 03, 2000, 1:53:33 PM, you wrote: DTS 1) how can I get this rebuilt or will i have to live ahead of everyone MDP Usually just clicking into a folder with a '?' instead of a count will MDP make it re-index. Well it doesnt. SO .. how to get the index rebuilt? -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Rebuild Msg index
A routine this morning reset my clock/calendar to 2001. Now although I greatly enjoy the writings of Clarke I find this puts a crimp in following 'when received'. I have edited the message.tbb file and changed all instance of 2001 but I have been unable to get the index file to rebuild. I have tried deleting (as I read some time past on this list) the .tbi file but then all folders after this one simply had ? 1) how can I get this rebuilt or will i have to live ahead of everyone 2) is there a better way to take care of this type of problem in the future (of course not having your clock/calendar go oogy is probably best. Thanks in advance .. -- Best regards, David mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Placing subjects in introductions
Hello Marck, i hope i don't take you out of context .. Saturday, October 28, 2000, 9:19:56 AM, you wrote: MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MDP Hash: SHA1 MDP Hi snip MDP snipwrote and made these points on the subject MDP snipin introductions': CG [...] snip MDP list charter. AND for over quoting .. let me see .. which do i want to see .. 21 lines of signature crap or information dealing with the thread of discussion. MDP - -- MDP Cheers, MDP .\\arck MDP MDP [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] MDP [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] MDP [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] MDP Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. MDP MDP TB! v1.47 Halloween Edition S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- MDP Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured MDP Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness MDP iQA/AwUBOfr8rDnkJKuSnc2gEQI73QCfRZ3CFLQprHiJNGomjSSieN18hhQAn0jq MDP veHhbSOQ1ImKEjzD4sspT94S MDP =V2dE MDP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Once again this is only opinion. Doesn't mean i'm nuts or stupid or anything else. As I mentioned (and it was cut out due to lack of understanding) it does depend. When dealing in a programming list (AS I MENTIONED .. DID YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THIS?) this can be very important. Inclusion of only those bits you want to attack can be very effective. -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Placing subjects in introductions
snip ACM Now, David, I do realize that you must feel a bit slighted for being ACM accused of making a stupid suggestion. Not at all .. if i had to rely on this group for my self awareness I would be very foolish indeed. snip ACM Most of all, try not to tangle with a moderator in the way that you're ACM doing. It unfortunately encourages bad conduct on the list. you are right .. i must not disagree with the moderators .. will just go back to stealth mode. snip thank you very much for the pointers DSig David Tod Sigafoos stealth mode on -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re-Send a message
Hello TBUDL, When I resend a message it is stored in the 'sent' folder with the same save and created date/time as the original. shouldn't the 'new' message have a different save time at least? -- Best regards, David mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Filter and Copying
Hello Januk Thomas, Thanks for the reply .. and although I had checked the faqs in my blurry late night session missed stepped the destination folder .. Thanks again DSig Wednesday, September 27, 2000, 8:17:57 PM, you wrote: JA Hello David, JA On Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 19:25:13 GMT -0700 (which was 7:25 PM JA where I live) witnesses say David Tod Sigafoos typed: I have been trying to figure out how to create a filter which could 'copy' the message to a hold folder. Once this is done it would allow normal filtering on down the line. JA First and foremost, I would recommend checking out the FAQ on JA filtering available at http://www.silverstones.com/TheBat/Filtering.html JA There is a great tutorial there that can help you get started. JA Now if I understand you correctly, you want a copy of the message put JA in your hold folder, and the Inbox copy should be processed by the JA rest of the filters, correct? JA If so, set the source and destination folders to be your Inbox. Then JA under the actions tab select Copy to folder and choose the folder. JA Next, under the Options tab, select "Continue Processing..." JA This should do the trick. If you continue to have problems, please JA post what you've tried and what errors (unexpected actions, etc.) JA you're getting. Also, please note that the order of filters is very JA important. -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Filter and Copying
Hello TBUDL, I have been trying to figure out how to create a filter which could 'copy' the message to a hold folder. Once this is done it would allow normal filtering on down the line. Is this possible. There are copy/move to folder commands but I can't find anything that looks like it would work for a filter tia -- Best regards, David mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Status bar, twice
Hello Karin, KS The one that baffles me is the small icon. When I open a new KS message or reply to mail, it is a minuscule TB icon (in the KS shape of a stamp). Clicking it once changes it into a KS minuscule exclamation mark (yellow on a red stamp) and KS clicking it once more changes it into a down arrow (white on KS a blue stamp). Any ideas as to their meaning? If you right-click the stamp it will show you the options .. this is priority and confirmation In fact .. right click works for all the 'options' there Dsig -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Deleting messages and spacebarring through 'em
Hello A, Monday, September 18, 2000, 10:50:19 AM, you wrote: ACM Also note Karin, that the message list in the folder view works ACM independently of the message list view in the main TB! window. The ACM folder view window works with it's own message list as well. This is why ACM you thought moving from message to message was occurring at random. Both ACM message list sortings were different. Hmmm .. so how do you make it so the 'folder viewer' works the same as the main tb! window? For example .. I have my folder set for thread / subject. I dclick on a message which brings up the message viewer. I see that I can go into view there and do the thread thing again but how do I set it so it automatically follows what the folder is set to? Doesn't make sense to have to reset it. What am i missing -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re[2]: Need to create a filter to shut down TB!...
Hello Januk, snip JA Create a two line batch file like the following. JA ---Begin Batch file--- JA C:\"Program Files"\"The Bat!"\thebat.exe /NoLogo [EMAIL PROTECTED];S="I'm Shutting Down";Send JA C:\"Program Files"\"The Bat!"\thebat.exe /NoLogo /exit JA ---End Batch file--- JA Now run this from a filter. Just be careful not to create an infinite JA loop as I did while testing the above. sigh It also appears that JA you really do need the first command to give TB enough time before JA shutting down. I'm not sure why a batch file with only the second JA line doesn't work when called from a script. Bravo .. now THAT is a nice hack :-) Filing this one away -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Uninstall problem
Hello Susanne, I would like to suggest that you try to stick with TB. Although I don't know what specific problems you are having I do believe that the majority of them can be worked out. I too am new to TB after using Eudora since it came out. There are some methods to the madness :-) Some of the differences are refreshing and some are irritating. But my guess is that the good will outweigh the bad. As for the Uninstall problem Marck has given you a good process. It should work. I wouldn't worry too much about the 'lint' left in the registry. Although it isn't a good design practice many many routines do that sigh Well, hope that you keep trying TB. It is the best that I have found. -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
Hello Karin, Just a quick note .. As you are probably seeing there is a lot of 'we know everything' and there is only ONE way to do things .. yada yada yada. Try to let these notes go by .. just sympathize. The real thing is to look at The Bat and all of its features. I have moved to The Bat from Eudora. Although there is a learning curve (and a bit of patience) it is a good move. Heck .. one of the things I was complaining about I was told would never happen .. i was wrong .. and it was a dead horse. Only to get a message from one of the developers saying .. yep .. we're changing it . So who knows .. if enough of us work with it and ask for some changes AND change the way we do things .. The Bat will improve. -- Hang in there, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Single filter for multiple boxes
Hello TBUDL, is it possible to set a filter for in and out? Or copy a filter from in to out -- Best regards, David mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Replying to your message dated Thursday, September 14, 2000, at 9:54 AM
Hello Steve, Thursday, September 14, 2000, 1:01:28 PM, you wrote: SL On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 12:55:09PM -0700, David Tod Sigafoos wrote: And why shouldnt email be presentable? SL Email /is/ presentable. It doesn't need HTML for that. Who says? Who is the leading authority on what email needs or doesn't need? What is it about HTML that scares people so much. SL The fact there is no standard for displaying it, what standard does exist SL is for browsers and no two browsers display correctly. True .. there is no 'definitive' standard. But 99% of HTML (not dhtml, xhtml etc) is compatible. SL On top of that 99% of the time it is completely annoying because SL it overrides how /I/ like to see my mail. I don't want to see it SL in someone else's preferences, I want to see it in mine. I'm not sure what this means. Do you mean if i write a letter and format it as i desire (using regular underline, bold etc) the Having the ability to send a message to our users with a toc at the beginning of the note and links to other spots in the note is a great feature. SL Search does that just fine. So is USPD but .. SL Please, why do people insist on trotting out this tripe? It is the top SL /NOW/ because it works nicely as an email /CLIENT/, not as a browser, not as SL an html page editor. Tripe .. that's a fish isn't it? -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Newbie questions
Hello Ming-Li, Sunday, September 10, 2000, 4:45:26 AM, you wrote: snip WOW .. talk about bandwidth g Actually IF there is a worry about security etc it would be very simple to have a switch (option, user preference etc) for retrieve or don't retrieve. No be huha. Developers choice .. it is also a developers choice to use the registry to store info, it is also a developers choice to hard code the attachment location (full path including drive) in the mail. These are all developers choices and fine ones they are. As I mentioned it would be very easy to make this optional .. YES? -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Newbie questions
Hello Curt, snip I am glad that TB developers have been charged with saving me. Have you ever heard of choice? Preference of 'do you want to get or not'. But at least I got all the replies I thought would happen G. I always find it amazing how people get 'up' for this subject. -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Newbie questions
Hello BillG, TB does not do html email because they believe that email shouldn't be able to do html. Of course they are rumored to do newsreader coming and have many do render html (except for the graphics) but pooh pooh on what is becoming standard. Oh .. and watch .. you will probably be getting a lot of '.. yeah man we dont do html' yada yada. Just take it in and realize that some people like to stand in the way of a raging tide :-). It would be nice if it was switchable but until they realize that email does/will contain html and graphic pointers ... But that shouldn't stop you from using TB. It does seem to be the best out there. DSig Saturday, September 09, 2000, 9:26:54 PM, you wrote: B I'm guessing that I have not been using TheBat long enough - that some B of you experts can answer these questions. The lack of a NewMail B indicator, and the HTML viewer problem might be show-stoppers (if I B can't figure out what I'm doing wrong). -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Favorites
The saddest part of this is that it is another example of why most developers do not use the registry to store anything. The only 'problem' i have had since moving to TB has been the use of the registry. I have sent a couple of messages to the 'bug' email box but have not received one reply. They are probably to busy adding a newsviewer to fix/remove the registry concept. I almost went back to Eudora the other day .. but their newest beta gave me reason to stay with TB until I find something better. G Friday, September 08, 2000, 5:16:08 AM, you wrote: snip JD The drop downs are stored in the registry. Therefore if you delete JD your favorites list it won't be able to drop down. ACM Seems like a Win95 to 98 upgrade 'spook'. :-) -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Sharing between desktop and laptop
Last week I asked about sharing data between TB on my desktop and my laptop. I was told to simply export TB from the registry and import into the laptop. SO I went to my office machine, Start/Run/Regedit and did the export. Then I copied the file to my laptop and Start/Run/Regedit and import. Selected the file and POW!!! i was told it wasnt are real registry file. Imagine my surprise after so many said it was so simple. So .. how do I share data? My desktop is a w2k system. The laptop is a win98. if anyone from tb is there maybe they could chime in. tia DSig -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: HELP! Unable to receive mail
Hello Tom, I guess I was being obtuse .. Using this exact same setup on my laptop I have been/am able to connect to my isp (teleport) using the internet (compuserve or direct connection through company land lines). In fact this reply is being sent through compuserve dialup to my isp (teleport). I am at a new client site. I find that although I can receive mail from teleport i can not send mail to teleport. there is a timeout error that comes up. This doesnot seem to be a problem with teleport OR actually a problem with TB. My question is .. does anyone know what could cause this type of connection problem. The IS/Network guys here are stumped. Since I am sending this message through CIS dialup to my isp AND since I have connected to my isp through other company land lines to the internet to my isp .. what could be blocking this connection? Thanks .. DSig Thursday, August 24, 2000, 11:08:34 AM, you wrote: d I travel so I use TB using various dialups (normally to my isp through their d remote connections) and through my clients internet connections. This has d always worked well. d I am now at a new client and at this location I can receive mail using TB but I d can not send mail. I get a timeout connection error sending. TP If you are connected to your ISP via a dial-up of theirs, and your TP current TB installation has worked before and works again when you go TP home, then you must be lying. ;) TP If you're using IPass or something like that, I would imagine that TP Teleport might have some blockers on their outgoing mail server to TP only allow connections from machines on their network(s) (I used to be TP a Teleport customer, way back in the day). In this case you'll have TP to get help from Teleport's support staff on connecting to their mail TP server from a remote location. Same goes for the case where you're TP plugging your computer into the client's network (unless they're TP served by Teleport). TP Obviously it would be tough to send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if TP you can't send mail, so in that case I suggest looking up their 1-800 TP number (if they still have it, they just installed it as I was on my TP way out), or "temporarily" change TB to use the same outgoing mail TP server as everyone else in the building. If that doesn't work, they TP have a 1-800 support line for help in connecting to their email TP services, 800-223-3435 if memory serves. :) TP -tom! -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: HELP! Unable to receive mail
Hello Thomas, I hadn't thought of them being banned .. they would surely get a 'kick' out of that. I will check with Teleport on monday .. on the road again Thanks for the idea. Friday, August 25, 2000, 7:49:31 AM, you wrote: TF Hallo David, TF On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:33:05 -0700 GMT (25/08/2000, 22:33 +0800 GMT), TF David Tod Sigafoos wrote: DTS I am at a new client site. I find that although I can receive mail DTS from teleport i can not send mail to teleport. there is a timeout DTS error that comes up. TF Sounds to me that the client's internet connection cannot connect to TF teleport's smtp server, right? Why first guess would be your client's TF IP address or domain name is blacklisted by teleport as a potential TF spammer, so connections from there to the smtp server are blocked. TF Sorry, I don't know your client and may be completedly off-target, but TF it seems a logical explanation to me. TF In order to be able to send, does it work if you use your client's TF smtp server? If you have to stay there for a couple of days, it may be TF easier than having to dial up the old Cserve connection every time. -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Use of WEB2POP with The bat
Has anyone used web2pop with the bat. I have been trying to set it up and it does not seem to be working. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks -- Best regards, David mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Use of WEB2POP with The bat
Hello Angel, Tuesday, August 01, 2000, 7:29:31 PM, you wrote: A Hi there :) A I've been using Web2Pop for a while now and it seems to be working ok. A What specific problem(s) are you having? A Regards, A ~~~Angel ...your RDR "I am out of my mind..but please feel free to leave a message at the hollow-tone.." A Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:27:54 PM Just trying to get it installed. For example .. settings for hotmail. I created an account then made settings similar to eudora but it could not connect. How do you have yours set Up DSig -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
