Re[3]: New, Reply Format
Hello Tim, TH> text above your signature delimiter shows up as plain text and TH> everything below is Italics and grayed out. I've outlined instructions on changing the appearance of signature text in an earlier response to you . I've included them here again: JO> Traditionally, signatures are gray text on a white background, but JO> this can be adjusted to any other color setting you'd like by JO> going to Options (from main window) -> Preferences -> JO> Viewer/Editor -> Message Viewer/Editor. Choose "Signature Text" in JO> the "Item" pull-down/pop-up list, and then edit the style JO> according to your liking. Using that dialog, you should be able to change the signature's formatting, from the font face, size, modifiers (bold/italic), and foreground/background colors. Good luck! -- James Funny quotes: "There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't." -- Unknown "A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing." -- Emo Philips Current version is 4.0.14.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New, Reply Format
Hello Tim, TH> I hope someone can answer this question? Why is that version TH> 4.0.14 displays the Reply and New Message body in HTML now and not TH> plain text. Especially on Replies when you need to refer to the TH> text to answer back, it makes it very difficult to read what the TH> other person has written because now TB turn it into HTML and greys TH> the text out so it makes it impossible to translate and read. While this isn't an "answer" to the problem you've stated, I think this might help: I'm going to guess that the grayed-out text is falling below someone's signature line, and TheBat is displaying that particular message's "guts" as a signature. Traditionally, signatures are gray text on a white background, but this can be adjusted to any other color setting you'd like by going to Options (from main window) -> Preferences -> Viewer/Editor -> Message Viewer/Editor. Choose "Signature Text" in the "Item" pull-down/pop-up list, and then edit the style according to your liking. See if that helps you with the messages you're having difficulty with. Good luck! -- James Funny quotes: "There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't." -- Unknown "A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing." -- Emo Philips Current version is 4.0.14.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Duplicate messages
Hello Richard, RO> RW> Are you storing mail on the server? If not try to do so for a day. RW> I only store it for two days anyway :-( I've had a similar problem in the past. Once in awhile I'll get a message that causes TheBat to not do the right thing when downloading (the symptoms will vary, but what you described has happened before). Usually the problem I have is a task the "Connection Centre" not responding and never finishing. Regardless, I also leave my POP mail on the server for a few days before deleting it from the server. I've found that using the "mail dispatch" function of TheBat I can go in and manually delete the spam and that usually takes care of it. Once in awhile I will need to delete some of the mail I've already downloaded (turning off the "leave mail on server" option and getting mail once will likely have the same effect). I get hundreds of emails a day, and I've never had the time to delete them one at a time to try to isolate the one that causes the problem, I usually delete in batches of 100 or more until the problem goes away. Once the offending email is gone from the server, TheBat starts working normally again. I'm not 100% sure TheBat is the cause of the new-mail problem; it could be that the POP server is telling TheBat the wrong info (ie, all messages are new). Perhaps it is because TheBat never go the chance to tell the POP server to mark the messages as "read." In any event, it seems like purging the messages "fixes" the immediate problem. -- James "A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing." -- Emo Philips "There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't." -- Unknown Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Multiple Displays
Hello Maggie, M> Yes, it's on the task bar. I pressed Alt + Space then m and then TB! M> fetched mail. Did you release Alt and Space before hitting m? Are you using an English system? The key you push after Alt+Space will vary (I assume) based on your locale. Make sure TheBat is the active application. Pressing Alt+Space will bring up an a context menu (pop-up menu) that will also be off-screen. Then pressing the M will select "Move" on the pop-up menu. Hit an arrow key (I prefer the left) which will start moving the window, but then you can simply move your mouse and use the mouse to relocate the dialog. I find the mouse works much faster since the mouse cursor is locked to the viewable area of your desktop it'll snap the window into view really quickly. Just remember you must hit an arrow key before the mouse will move the window, otherwise the mouse will only move the cursor. Another way of doing it is to simply right-click on the Task bar (not system tray) entry (if you haven't turned it off) and selecting "Move" from there. Once you've selected move you can use the arrows and then the mouse to move the window someplace viewable. I hope that helps.. -- James Using The Bat! 2.12.00 under Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to set up filter that filters of text in HTML version of email
Hello everyone, I'm using TB 2.04.7, and I've tried to read up on filters in the help and search for this topic in the email archives I have on disk (going back to 2002) but I haven't been able to find what I'm looking for yet. I get some emails that have some plain-text text, but the bulk of the email content is in the 'html' form of the message. This is legitimate mail, and I'd like to filter on some of the text in the HTML portion of the email. The email contains an HTML table, with one column being a field title, and the other column being some value for that field, in a name/value pair scenario. For example, the first column in a row has "name:", and the second column has "jolsen". This is a plain-text rendition of the HTML table to illustrate the content of the table: +++ + name: | jolsen + +-+ I have a a filter string of "name:.*jolsen" but it's not catching it in the HTML version of the email. If the text I'm looking for were in the plain-text version, the filter would find it. Is there something I need to do differently to make my filter catch on the HTML text? Thank you for your time. -- James "There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't." -- Unknown Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin todo something on a message or group of messages
Hello Al, AJ> Could you share your spam filters with the group? It seems I am AJ> constantly adding words and I know there must be another, simpler way. I'm doing this a bit differently. Instead of trying to invent my own spam filters (reinvent the wheel, again), I'm using some free tools that are available. My mail is scanned for "spamability" on my linux box using the free Spam Assassin (www.spamassassin.org) and MIME Defang tools (www.roaringpenguin.com). By the time TB downloads my messages they've already been assessed for SPAM probability. But those of you without an email server you can add antispam software to, you're in luck. There's also free Win32 version that you can very easily use with ANY email client called SAProxy (http://saproxy.bloomba.com/). It will scan messages and flag them as SPAM (based on your configuration) as they are downloaded from your server to your client. I use this to filter my work email, since my employer doesn't have any spam filtering system in place. To use it simply change two things in your email client configuration and voila, now all of your incoming mail is scanned for Spaminess, and marked up accordingly (rewriting subject, adding a hidden header line, or whatever you configure it to do). Then you can add a filter to TheBat to act on this flag (if header X-SPAM: Yes exists, then automatically delete message, for example). Works very, very well. Spam Assassin uses more than looking for keywords like "sex" and "viagra", etc. It will look for things like SHOUTING TOO MUCH, as seen on tv, subjects with numbers at the end, too many recipients, unlisted recipients, click here to remove, etc. etc. Heck, this message might get flagged just because it contains to many phrases. It also looks for things like single-image HTML emails (the latest trick by spammers to get around keyword filters), HTML emails with too much red text, etc. Someone else is already trying to keep ahead of spammers, I don't have the time to update it myself. Plus, it can optionally plug into the Razor and other RBL databases which lets you fingerprint messages and compare incoming messages to a database of known spam messages. It also lets you reject emails from known spam-only hosts. This is all stuff TB filters can't handle, can't handle very well, or would be a complete bear to set up and maintain. So I'll let my email server or SAProxy on my desktop determine if it thinks the message is SPAM or not, and then I'll filter in TB based on what SpamAssassin determines. But the coolest tool on the horizon is contained in latest version of Spam Assassin: Bayesian filtering. This sounds to be the most promising *learning* method of distinguishing SPAM from "HAM" (good messages). From what I read it has a very low (1%) false-positive rate. That's better that practically all other tests in use at the moment. But to make Bayesian filtering work well, you need to send it SPAM and HAM messages so it can learn the difference. So, what I'm ultimately looking for is a way to save messages designated as SPAM in MBOX format with original headers. Same with my HAM messages. Then I need to send these two mboxes to my linux box and tell Spam Assassin to "train" itself using the latest email messages I'm feeding it. It's this training process I would like to automate. Anyhow, I thought you might find all that interesting... :) -- James Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to define a plugin to dosomething on a message or group of messages
Hello, Is there a way one can easily define an action to take on the currently selected message(s)? Specifically using an external program? How would I set this up? I'd like to take a message/messages and submit them to a Bayesian filter to learn my "good" versus "spam" messages. Right now, I have to save messages to an mbox file, FTP them to the server, and then run a "learn" command. I can't redirect to a mailbox because I need to keep the original headers. If there was a way to use an plugin and have it appear in a right-click context menu that'd be ideal. I've also thought about marking my spam messages with one "color" and legit messages with another "color" (probably would visually still be black on white, but it'd be tagged which is the important thing) and then have filters operate on those messages running an external program. But I was hoping for something a bit cleaner. Any ideas? Is this type of plug-in-ability something I can look forward to in V2? Everyone's suggestions and comments are very appreciated. Thank you! -- Best regards, James mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: WEIRD printing error...
Hello, j> Printed some messages today. Then TB stopped printing properly and would only j> print a single page that said "Invalid HTML! Please forward this message to j> developers. Thanks. EAccessViolation Access Violation at address xxx in module j> "thebat.exe". Read of address yyy". This would occur with any message and j> NONE of it was html mail. I've had the same thing happen too, but I wasn't printing anything. I was simply looking at the messages. It would display that screen no matter what email I was looking at, and whether it had an HTML part was moot. It wouldn't display plain-text messages. The only workaround I know is to shut down TB and restart it until it happens again. It would be nice if there was a "view as plain text anyway" option one could use when it refuses to show the HTML due to an exception. Sometimes I'd like to view a message even if the HTML is faulty and the HTML engine can't handle it. I'm a big boy, I can look at HTML source and see what the (most likely spam) message says. Granted this isn't something most people would use...but I'd rather have a semi-convenient option to view a message than no option at all other than restarting the client or saving the messages to a text file and reading it in a different application. j> Closed TB and started it again. Back to normal. j> Very weird... I think this was introduced with version 1.62 (maybe 1.60 or 1.61?) I'm guessing it'll be fixed in "version 2" :) -- Regards, James Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: [lost 500 messages][27/12/2002-13:59 GMT]
Hello Joseph, Friday, December 27, 2002, 10:13:28 AM, you wrote: JN> canario.joe, JN>On Friday, December 27, 2002, canario.joe [lycos.es] wrote in JN> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: cjle>> if there is a virus and the avirus app is set to "attempt to cjle>> clean and delete if unsuccessful", the whole of the mesage base cjle>> can be awept away. JN> What is your basis for saying this? I have had viruses detected prior JN> to using the plug-in, with my AV set to clean/delete, and also later JN> with the plug-in. I have never had the problem you described. I use JN> NOD32. If there is a sound reason for your statement, it would be a JN> concern. cjle>> ยท Park the important messages and they wont go lost from the data base cjle>> in case of system failures; you can have them parked "automatically" cjle>> Finally, 1700 messages sound a bit too much. There may be (there were) cjle>> memory management problems in TB if the message base is that large. JN> I personally think it tempts fate to keep that many messages in a mail JN> client, so I use Mailbag Assistant, as do some others on this list. JN> However, FWIW, I'll pass on reports from others here that 1700 JN> messages is not too many for TB! to manage capably. I have a total of 201,329 messages in TB (and this is after archiving messages over 6 months old). Granted, they are spread over a few accounts and a number of mailboxes. I think the largest mailbox has 32,646 messages in it. Several have > 4,000 messages. So far, I've not had any problems other than the understandable delay (due to the sheer volume of data) when reading mail or performing other activities in these mailboxes. cjle>> Guys, the only thing that really sux in TB is the IMAP/secure POP3 cjle>> support. These guys hace got to do something about this because IMAP cjle>> and secure connections are being widely used in universities and other cjle>> institutions. I agree. "Version 2" of TB (anybody know when RIT hopes to have an alpha or beta available?) is supposed to address the IMAP and POP3s issues. I wish they'd release a list of planned (but not promised) features/changes for version 2, and when they'd like it to be available for the first round of beta testing. I think the current TB pop3s shortcoming can be worked around by setting up a local stunnel installation and making TB connect to the pop3s server through it. I've started to try it but haven't finished with it yet to know if it works or not. --James Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [problems (IMAP, secure pop3, certificates, etc.)/help needed]
Hello Dierk, DH> Version 2 is said to have complete IMAP support. I too fell victim to spending hours trying to figure out why my newly installed stunnnel and openssl programs and libraries were not working with TheBat. They don't work with Eudora either. But, they work just fine with Outlook. I scanned the TB mailing list and found someone else mentioning that openssl changed the protocol negotiation slightly and "broke" how TB works for pop3s. I'm now trying to apply a work-around. Does "version 2" have any anticipated release date? Hopefully soon? I keep hearing of people reporting problems and shortcomings with this version and that version that are supposedly fixed in "version 2", but I don't believe I've heard any official word from RITLabs about what new features / bug fixes are in version 2 and when they believe they'll have either the beta or final product ready. Does anyone have a list of features/bugs and a preliminary (subject to change) release date for an alpha, beta, or final product? Thanks for passing it along :) --James Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New binary data encoding scheme please add to Bat
Hello, ME> The yEnc format itself is a nice alternative to UUencode and Base64. ME> yEncoded messages are up to 40% smaller than UUencoded/Base64 ME> equivalents, and include built-in error checking and multipart file ME> support. In a similar vein, I'd like to see the addition of BinHex (HQX/RFC-1741) encoding/decoding. (See http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1741.html) I work in a company with a large number of Macintosh users with older email clients that, by default, send out binhex-encoded messages. I currently have to save them all to disk and decode them, one by one, by running them through a decoding program. While it's not an efficient encoding mechanism, it's popular and not going to disappear quickly enough. It would really by nice if TheBat were able to support this widely used older (Macintosh) encoding algorithm. Thanks for listening :) -- James Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: spamcop problems-more on SPAM/SPAMCOP
Hello, PC>> Unfortunately, the folks at SpamCop aren't listening. They believe they PC>> are on the side of Righteousness And Good, and thus are above reproach; PC>> they also seem to have total faith in their technology. But consider: PC>> I have recently been getting spam addressed to a disposable PC>> address that I have ONLY ever used when submitting spam to PC>> SpamCop. The address consists of a string of 12 random letters PC>> at the given domain, so it is not likely from a dictionary PC>> list. Kinda makes you want to go "Hmmm". --- Glenn Wolf I haven't followed the entire thread about this, but thought I'd throw in my $.02 :) I believe SpamCop actually warns you that that could happen. If I read the warning/notice correctly, it's possible for spammmers to get the new email address when SpamCop sends a complaint to the spammer's listed (via dns) "ISP". Sometimes the spammer is also set up as their own ISP so the spammer himself receives all the complaints instead of an upstream ISP that would terminate the account. Spammers, being the scrupulous people that they are, take the complaint, harvest all the email addresses out of it and add them to their database. Great family fun, eh? :) --James Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Is there a way for a filter action to affect a message THREAD?
Hello, I currently am threading messages based on references. I would really like to set the color group for all messages in a thread if I get a message that matches a filter. For example, let's say I'm tracking projects via email. There is one thread per project. If I get an email saying a project is done that my filter catches I want to mark the entire thread with my "done" color group. That way when I look at my message list (threads collapsed) I can easily see which projects are complete. I would have other color groups and filters set up as well to watch for/identify stalled projects, projects needing approval, etc. So if a message belongs to a thread, is there a way for the filter to perform an action on the entire thread (like set color group)? Thanks.. -- Best regards, James mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
LDAP protocol version 3 support, how to change LDAP query string andadd new custom columns in LDAP search results
Hello, Sorry for the long subject :) I've running the OpenLDAP software for my LDAP server. By default OpenLDAP only supports version 3 of the LDAP protocol. Currently, TheBat only supports version 2. Does anyone know of any patches or hacks for TheBat that will update it's LDAP routines to use the LDAP protocol version 3 instead of version 2? I'd also like to update the default LDAP filter string and add new search result columns. Eudora (yeatch), despite it's problems, had a nicely configurable LDAP search. I could edit the query/filter string to allow me to search on any field I so choose - including non-standard custom fields that I've added to my LDAP schema. Likewise, I could display those custom fields in the search results. TheBat does not currently allow for this. I submitted these feature-requests years ago, and after several versions they never made it into the product :( Does anyone know of any hacks I can employ to alter the search/query string TheBat is using, and how I can add custom columns to the search results? Thank you for your time.. --James Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
I'd like to manipulate a message with 'Run External Program' filter action
Hello all, I was wondering if someone could help me set up TheBat to run a batch file as a filter action under Windows XP. I'm able to successfully run a perl/Tk program on my CNN messages to pop up alert windows when there's breaking news and now I'm trying to set up a small batch file to run spamassassin on all incoming mail. I've set this up as my filter action to "wait for completion". My external program is (or at least should be) modifying the file passed to it as %1. However, the message that is pulled into TheBat is the original, unedited message. I'm pretty certain that the temp file is being changed. I'm making a copy of the temporary file before I exit and when I open ny copy the contents are what I'd expect. But the message that is pulled into TheBat isn't. Is TheBat supposed to pay attention to the changed contents of the temporary file? Is it looking for any specific exit code from the external program maybe? Any help is appreciated. Thanks! -- Best regards, James mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
