Re[2]: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known"

[Leo Zelevinsky]

Monday, March 25, 2002, 3:44:48 PM, you wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1

> On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:42:44 -0800, Roberto Machorro [RM] graced us with
> these comments:
> ...
RM>> I think that the "Inbox - Known" is a good idea, but I would rather
RM>> have the known e-mails go to my "Inbox" and unknown e-mails go to
RM>> "Inbox - Unknown", this is because I frecuently sync with my
RM>> handheld via MAPI, and it polls e-mail from the "Inbox". So right
RM>> now I would be basically in sync with 'unknown' e-mail. Is there are
RM>> a way to do this?

> Not at the click of an option switch, I'm afraid. The only way would be
> to disable the '' filter and manually direct your spam to this
> folder.

Well - a part of this request is easy - just go to the  filter
and change its destination folder to "Inbox". Then you could put a
filter below that which always matches and moves mails to
"Inbox-Unknown".

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Re: scrolling through messages

[Leo Zelevinsky]

Hi, Jeff,

On Monday, September 17, 2001 you wrote:
J> I've almost got everything down pat, and am ALMOST ready to buy.

J> The biggest problem remaining is in reading many emails at a time,
J> especiall when reading through lists, where I've used filters to move
J> the posts into a folder where they're already sorted into threads...

J> The major problem I've got is in moving through posts.  The method
J> I've used in the past has been to click on the "next message" button
J> in Netscape (4.72) which is what I've used in the past to read lists.

J> The "next message" button automatically goes to the next message
J> whether it's in the thread or a subthread, or in a new thread
J> entirely.

J> I've NOT been able to duplicate this behavior in The Bat! and I hope
J> you can help me come up with something at least similarly easy.

J> I've already been told about (thank you, those who wrote me) using the
J> space bar to go through messages, and using the arrow keys.

J> But I find the space bar, while extremely convenient (it pages through
J> messages over one screen in length) will always skip down to the next
J> message at the same indent level, not going into subthreads.

Even if the subthread is open? Try using Ctrl-* (I think) to expand
all threads, and then I think space will go deeper.

J> I've also tried using the arrow keys, but the problem is similar,
J> though at least I CAN navigate into the sub-threads.  I use the
J> down-arrow key to go down on the same level, or the right-arrow key to
J> go into a sub-thread.

J> The problem is I've found no one key that will just keep reading next
J> messages in what I've learned to be an intuitive fashion.  So I have
J> to watch when I scroll, and that slows me down quite a bit.  Since I
J> read over 400 emails each day (not even including this list ),
J> I do find it a problem.

I use Ctrl-Right arrow. The only downside is that focus has to be in
either the folder or the message list, and not inside the message body
(where Ctrl-right arrow will just move over words). Ctrl-Right arrow
moves to the next unread message, doing the right thing for me in
threaded and unthreaded views. I think Ctrl-] will work too, and even
in the message body list, but I find it harder to hit.  Ctrl
Right-arrow will even advance across folders.

J> Is there a way to do what I want to do?  If not, how have YOU (those
J> of you who read hundreds of messages a day) manage your reading of
J> threaded lists?

see above.

J> Thank you for any and all input; I do appreciate it, and it helps me
J> make my final decision.  Though I'm depending more and more on Linux,
J> and intend to start using it on the desktop, I'm sure I'll be using
J> Windows for reading my mail for some time in the future, and I'd like
J> to make use of The Bat! if I can resolve this last issue.


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Re: Maybe OT - News Reader problem

[Leo Zelevinsky]

Hi, Mac,

Sounds like Free Agent has not registered itself as a newsreader
available on the system. Take a look at news.software.readers
newsgroup, and I bet you will find the answer to your problems.

However, I personally use XNews for news reading and I like it much
better than FA. It is absolutely free and has great features.
http://xnews.3dnews.net/

Sorry for the OT post, but I love XNews and wanted to push it.


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Re: Shortcut +-> for "next unread"

[Leo Zelevinsky]

Hi, Peter,

On Thursday, May 10, 2001 you wrote:
PP>   I'm used to use +[ for next unread message, so I never used
PP>   +-> before, but today I wanted to copy a text from an email
PP>   and therefor I tried to move "word-wise" in the mail in the
PP>   preview-pane. The usual way doing this is using +-> and/or
PP>   +<- to come to the point I want to mark. But ... TB! moved me
PP>   to the next unread / previous unread message :-(
PP>   Is that just here or does anybody else can confirm, TB! uses
PP>   +-> as a "global" shortcut, even in the message-window?

Does it here too. I love it!!!

PP>   IF that is the case:

PP>   Dear developers / coder :
PP>   is it possible to make the mentioned shortcut NOT global (or better:
PP>   selective if it works "next unread" or "cursor movement" depending
PP>   on WHERE the focus is) or disable it as shortcut for "next unread",
PP>   because +[ works MORE than good (for me!) ? :-)

Well, for me for one, the new behavior is much better than the old
one. But that's because I hardly ever move around inside a mail
message that I am reading using the keyboard, and I do go from unread
message to unread message all the time, and the focus ends up inside
the message window sometimes. I love the new shortcut - much easier to
hit for me than Ctrl-].

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Re[2]: Cursor under the wrong message

[Leo Zelevinsky]

Hello Thomas,

Sunday, May 06, 2001, 12:45:47 AM, you wrote:
T> I sort by received time. I open a folder with "many" new messages in
T> the main window, TB goes - splash - into a new message without
T> apparent logic. This message is now marked "read", so if I hit enter
T> to go to the Folder View (in which I view threaded by reference) and
T> work with crtl-] through the new messages, I will either have to read
T> this random message (in the middle of some thread) first or will never
T> see it.

In a situation like this, I just hit Ctrl-U (mark unread).

T> I find this annoying. Maybe I should write a bug report?

I don't see where there is a bug here.

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Re: (No Subject)

[Leo Zelevinsky]

Hi, Marck,

On Friday, May 04, 2001 you wrote:
[massive snip]
MEM>> The Bat seems determined to reload most of these messages from
MEM>> the server so obviously they are not being deleted.

MDP> I don't know why that would happen. I have always found the "leave on
MDP> server" option works fine. Out of interest why leave them on the
MDP> server? I have never quite understood that "Delete messages from
MDP> server when emptying trash" option myself .

I have this exact setup also and found the same problem. I believe
that it happens because the "delete messages when emptying trash"
works by setting the bit that says to delete the messages, but the
deletion actually happens when you next connect to the server to
retrieve mail. However, if this happens on program exit, then it won't
connect and actually delete the mails.

I dealt with it by unchecking the "empty trash on exit" option and now
I just empty the trash manually and make sure to retrieve some
messages afterwards so that the messages actually get deleted
properly.

I keep messages on the server for a few days to make sure I can
download them to both my home and work computer.
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Re: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...

[Leo Zelevinsky]

Hi, Peter,

I understand about invalid vs valid.

However, I don't see where I can see this distinction between "good"
and "bad" signature.

I now installed 6.5.8ckt and I get for your message
a pencil with an x, signer: "unknown, keyID=0xE10774CE", Key ID:
"Invalid Key". Where does it say that this is a good key? Or would it
look different for a bad key?

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Re: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...

[Leo Zelevinsky]

Hi, all,

On Saturday, April 28, 2001 you wrote:
BC> Marck's signature is actually only three lines, but, as a moderator,
BC> he PGP signs his messages to the list (the same can be said for
BC> Allie). There have been quite a few impersonators on this list in the
BC> past.

Is it possible that someone would post a set of instructions on how to
set up TB to be able to check Marck's signature. Is this possible to
do with the internal PGP implementation, or must I download / install
another package? Where do I get the key?

I have tried and failed to set up TB to check PGP signatures - they
always are displayed as invalid.

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Re[2]: Digest (04/20/2001 01:01) Special Issue (#2001-997)

[Leo Zelevinsky]

Hi, azrael,

On Friday, April 20, 2001 you wrote:
a>   I  already am but if I don't turn off
a> the wav. mail announcement I'll  soon shoot my Klipsch's.

Open up the properties of the TBUDL folder (right-click, then
Properties), go to the Sound tab and select Sound disabled. This will
disable sound notification for the TBUDL messages (but not for your
other mail). I also turn off the mail ticker for my mailing list
folders, but that's personal preference.

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Re[2]: External Browser????

[Leo Zelevinsky]

Hi, Marck,

On Wednesday, March 21, 2001 at 17:16:37GMT + (which was 12:16 PM where I live) 
you wrote:

MDP> On 21 March 2001 at  11:57:39 -0500 (which was 16:57 where I  live)
MDP> Leo Zelevinsky wrote to Marck D. Pearlstone on TBUDL and made these
MDP> points:

LZ>> On Wednesday, March 21, 2001 at 16:32:29GMT + (which was 11:32
LZ>> AM where I live) you wrote: 

MDP>>> Actually, the /best/ thing to do is to remove the association of "wct"
MDP>>> as mime type text/html.

LZ>> I am still looking for where this is in the registry. A search for
LZ>> MIME turned up:
LZ>> HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\MIME\Database\Content Type\text/html
LZ>> but the value under there for Extension is: ".htm" and I don't see
LZ>> any .stm in sight.

MDP> I think you need to look in Explorer / Folder options / File types and
MDP> change the association there for WCT.

For me, the association is for STM not for WCT - WCT was for Jim
Riccardi.

Also - I don't have a file association problem - .STM files when
double-clicked correctly launch internet explorer which displays them
just fine.

However, I would prefer The Bat! to assign .htm or .html extension to
the messages instead of this weird .STM - and also wonder just where
this information is stored.

Folder Options / File Types seems to be a subset of the information
that's available through regedit - and it's harder to look for in File
Types - since I don't have a "STM files" type or anything like that.

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Re[2]: External Browser????

[Leo Zelevinsky]

Hi, Marck,

On Wednesday, March 21, 2001 at 16:32:29GMT + (which was 11:32 AM where I live) 
you wrote:


MDP> Actually, the /best/ thing to do is to remove the association of "wct"
MDP> as mime type text/html.

I am still looking for where this is in the registry. A search for
MIME turned up:
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\MIME\Database\Content Type\text/html
but the value under there for Extension is: ".htm" and I don't see any
.stm in sight.

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Re[2]: External Browser????

[Leo Zelevinsky]

Hi, Marck,

On Tuesday, March 20, 2001 at 01:55:17GMT + (which was 8:55 PM where I live) you 
wrote:

MDP> Not where the message is a mutlipart/mixed or type text/html. TB has
MDP> to make up a name for the html version of the message and uses the
MDP> extension which is the primary association for the MIME type in the
MDP> registry.

As I mentioned in a different message - my system at work has a
similar problem - the "extension which is the primary association for
the MIME type in the registry" for me is .STM. Once I went into WinAmp
and stopped its grabbing the .STM files - everything started working
for me as far as double-clicking on the file is concerned. However,
now I am curious:

Where is this extension stored - how does TB determine it exactly? I
searched my registry for .STM but pretty much the only place I found
it was as defining it as a text/html type file - but so are .htm and
.html. I would certainly prefer that the messages be called
"message.htm" or "message.html" instead of "message.stm" as they are
now.

Interestingly, at home I also have IE 5.5 (but on win98se) and there,
they are saved as message.html.

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Re[2]: External Browser????

[Leo Zelevinsky]

Hi, All!

On Tuesday, March 20, 2001 at 15:35:01GMT -0500 (which was 3:35 PM
where I live) Jim Riccardi wrote:

JRJ> On 20 Mar 2001, at 20:04, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

>> That's not TB's fault. That's your browser being incorrectly
>> installed - hence the strange .wct extension. The default extension
>> for mime/html encoding is .wct instead of .htm or .html. That's not
>> right at all.

I have a very similar problem on my machine - for me, the files are
being saved as "message.stm" - and stm is an extension associated with
WinAmp. Is there a way short of reinstalling IE5.5 to fix the
mime/html encoding default extension (or association)? Where is this
information? I looked under file types in explorer and can't find
anything relevant. Do I really have to go digging in the registry?

Interestingly - except for the different browser (IE instead of Jim's
Netscape) and different filename (message.stm instead of message.wct)
we seem to be having the exact same problem.

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Re[2]: Viewing Messages

[Leo Zelevinsky]

Hi, Marck,

On Monday, March 19, 2001 at 19:05:36GMT + (which was 2:05 PM where I live) you 
wrote:

MDP> On 19 March 2001 at  13:45:32 -0500 (which was 18:45 where I  live)
MDP> Leo Zelevinsky wrote to Marck D. Pearlstone and made these points:

LZ>> Is there a way I can get that?

MDP> Frankly (and sadly), no. The Ticker is the only front end to the new
MDP> mail "virtual folder".

Too bad. This would be a very nice feature it seems to me.

MDP> You could have all of your list traffic sorted to an "unread" folder
MDP> and read it all from the one place, filtering it to the list folder
MDP> with a "Read" filter instead of an "Incoming" one.

Thanks for the suggestion. I don't think I will do this, since I
really like the fact that right now I can keep on working on other
stuff while I get list mail (obviously nothing urgent there), whereas
if someone writes to me personally I get immediate nice notification
in the mail ticker - and can decide whether to take some time off to
reply. This way I can control when I read the list mail instead of
being forced to deal with it as it arrives. On the other hand, when I
do decide to catch up on list mail it'd be nice to open one view with
all the unread messages to be read which I could then sort by folder
or whatever.

Anyway - thanks again, hopefully this unread view will be something
that the development team might consider adding sometime - doesn't
seem like it'd be all that difficult to implement given that it seems
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Re[4]: Viewing Messages

[Leo Zelevinsky]

Hello Adam,

On Monday, March 19, 2001 at 19:17:51GMT + (which was 2:17 PM where I live) you 
wrote:
A> On Monday, March 19, 2001, 6:45:32 PM, you wrote:

LZ>>  I have set up filters for my
LZ>> mailing lists and disabled mail ticker for those folders

A> How do you enable/disable the ticker on a per folder basis?

Go to the folder properties dialog box and check / uncheck the box
that says "Show unread messages on MailTicker (tm)"
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Re[2]: Viewing Messages

[Leo Zelevinsky]

Hello Marck,

On Sunday, March 18, 2001 at 00:26:54GMT + (which was 7:26 PM where I live) you 
wrote:


This is pretty cool stuff - but I have already gotten into the habit
of using the mail ticker differently. I have set up filters for my
mailing lists and disabled mail ticker for those folders - so I only
see it when there is some real personal mail that I got.

Is there any way I can access a viewer of all unread mail without
having the mail ticker enabled for all of that mail? I am looking for
something much like what you describe - except not linked to mail that
I have chosen to show up or not show up on the mail ticker - just all
unread mail in all folders.

Is there a way I can get that?

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Re[2]: Is there a way to make a Read Messages filter work with all folders?

[Leo Zelevinsky]

Hello Allie, [I am sorry if that isn't your name - I have a feeling
like I saw someone else address you this way in the archives :)]

On Wednesday, March 14, 2001 at 17:08:29GMT -0500 (which was 5:08 PM where I live)
you wrote:

ACM> On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:02:18 -0500, Leo wrote these comments:

LZ>> However, I also have a whole bunch of filters for automatically
LZ>> moving mailing list mail into their corresponding folders. I
LZ>> notice that the Read filter seems to only work for one particular
LZ>> folder you specify in the filter.

ACM> That's probably because the filter rules to move the messages precede
ACM> the filter rule to delete the messages from the server in the list of
ACM> filter rules.

Well - but it has to be that way - since the filter rule to delete the
messages from the server is a "Read" filter - so it should activate
when I read the messages, which inherently happens after the messages
come in and are sorted into their respective folders.

Thus my question - is there a way to have a Read filter which will act
on messages in all folders - as opposed to what it looks like I'd have
to do now - which is to make a Read filter for every folder that mail
gets filtered into.

ACM> Once a message has been moved by a filter rule to another folder, that
ACM> message will no longer be acted on by subsequent filter rules in the
ACM> list.

ACM> I suggest that you make the server delete rule the first in your
ACM> filter list and be sure to enable in the filter rule options "continue
ACM> processing with other filters".

This would work if my server delete rule would be an Incoming Mail
filter - but that would basically get it back to the behavior I get
now - where as soon as I get mail, it is deleted from the server.
Instead I want it deleted from the server after I read it.

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Is there a way to make a Read Messages filter work with all folders?

[Leo Zelevinsky]

Hello The Bat! Users,

I am a new user - and I love it so far. I have a few questions and
comments, but I figure I'll post them in separate messages so that
people have a chance to reply separately.

I have a POP server and want to read mail from both home and work. I
want to keep messages permanently all at home and just leave them on
the server while reading from work. Here is the problem: Let's say I
have 10 mins only before going to work - I am at home and I open up TB.
It downloads the messages from the server and deletes them from there,
so if I don't have time to read them now, they will stay unread till I
get back home from work. This is not a huge problem but a bit
annoying.

Then, I realize that I could make a filter which will delete the
message from server after I read it. Great - that means that I can
always leave messages on server, but at home as soon as the message is
marked as read, it will be deleted from server. Problem solved.

However, I also have a whole bunch of filters for automatically moving
mailing list mail into their corresponding folders. I notice that the
Read filter seems to only work for one particular folder you specify
in the filter.

Is there any way to make it work for all folders? If not, is there any
other way to achieve what I want?

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