Re: Can't remove v5
Hello Jack, On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:01:12 -0500 (your time) you said: I would really like to revert to v4.2.44 but have no idea what I'm doing wrong or if I'm worrying about things that will be ok if I do successfully revert at some point. Delete thebat.exe from the install folder, and run the 4.2.44 setup and install over the top! That worked for me and others. -- Si #13709. I Her Go Wed Snow? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • The Bat! Pro 4.2.44.2 • Extended Macro Plugin 1.2.1.0 • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 • Scanned by avast! Plugin DB Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 5.0 could be a Guinness world record holder
Hello CDIsxm, On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 17:51:44 -0400 (your time) you said: Since upgrading to TB Professional 5.0 in early December, I must say it has been a disaster. I also upgraded and when I realised (instantly) just how 'unstable' it was I quickly reverted to v4which I'm using now. I even looked up the Guinness World Records to see who holds title to the longest software beta testing of a product, and they do not have a category. Ritlabs could surely claim the prize. I doubt it. The Bat! runs on Windows... ;-) Of course the official version is released as per the web site but we still struggle with the most unbelievable issues. Losing folders, views, email, you name it. It is so buggy after so long. You should 'revert' to v4. However, that won't stop the losing of folders. That's been a 'feature' of TB! for as long as I can remember :( Thankfully you can spread your fingers a bit and hit Alt+Ctrl+Shift+L simultaneously regularly to recover what TB! forgets about. A strange, unresolved 'feature' with a fix. I understand the risks involved in beta programs, but this is beyond a joke. Erm, I agree with you above, but then I don't know. Seriosuly, just revert to v4. I haven't got time to be in TB!'s beta squad, so I don't play around with the beta builds. Just use the latest known stable build...although some may argue which version should be considered the last stable build. It's up to you really. v4.2.44.2 is stable enough for me, even with a number of unfixed issues that got left behind when the versioning lept to 5. Ritlabs couldn't wait to get their hands on some money, so they started selling 5.0 claiming it was officailly released. Hmm, I doubt very much that unbridled wealth was the motivation for the release of v5. However, I don't know what the motivation was, or the reasoning, or how it could have been considered 'ready'. Something definitely went wrong in their processes...IMO I wonder if anyoine else agrees with me on this? I sympathise with you, I really do, but at the same time as understanding your belligerence I think you may have lost a bit of perspective. The reasonable thing for you to do (IMO) is to revert to a less troublesome version and wait it out. That said, I can totally understand how you would be very annoyed if after being promtpted to upgrade TB! you found that the new major version release was still actually more like an alpha release and ridiculously buggy. I was very annoyed about that, and I'd agree on that point. -- Si # 1028. Wei Shew Drongo? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • The Bat! Pro 4.2.44.2 • Extended Macro Plugin 1.2.1.0 • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 • Scanned by avast! Plugin DB Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 5.0 could be a Guinness world record holder
Hello Jack, On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:09:59 -0500 (your time) you said: ... I re-installed v4.2.44 a second time and still no change. On XP3 I simply deleted the thebat.exe from the install folder and then reinstalled using the v4 installer and it worked just fine. I could have just extracted the folder from the backup I made beforehand, but there ya go. I generally don't upgrade anything without backing up the install folder first. Makes reverting much easier if it all goes nipples up :-) -- Si #32231. Wed Goo When Sir? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • The Bat! Pro 4.2.44.2 • Extended Macro Plugin 1.2.1.0 • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 • Scanned by avast! Plugin DB Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 5.0 could be a Guinness world record holder
Hello MFPA, On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:14:32 +0100 (your time) you said: I see people write about this from time to time; I have used TB! since 2004 and only experienced lost folders three times, twice after updating TB! and once after a major reworking of my folder structure. Well, if you ever reorganise folders in the folder tree (by dragging them) then you'll more than likely discover - at some point - the lost folder problem. IME this is the main cause of lost folders. There have been odd exceptions I have to say. I've also experienced the same folders appearing two or three times in the folder tree a couple of times. Aha, yes, and so have I. And the question is always, which one to delete? Well, I discovered that choosing the wrong one meant losing your messages along with them after a restart of TB! Isn't it fashionable at the moment to release a new major version number that is no different from the previous one? Witness Firefox 5. Well, that would seem to be the case. I was curious why Mozilla suddenly leapt to 5 the other day. I was trying to work out the significant differences...alas, after a few minutes looking I couldn't be bothered ;-) -- Si # 1021. Wig Drones Howe? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • The Bat! Pro 4.2.44.2 • Extended Macro Plugin 1.2.1.0 • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 • Scanned by avast! Plugin DB Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 5.0 could be a Guinness world record holder
Hello MFPA, On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:59:21 +0100 (your time) you said: I didn't know you could drag them... Yeah, alt+drag to move folders up and down the same level, and ctrl+alt and drag to move folders to a lower level (so making a folder a subfolder) in the tree and alt+drag again to move folders back up a level. Not elegant, but it works, and you find you need to use the magic key combo to find lost folders if you do a lot of reorganising. My solution was to copy the files elsewhere, then delete both, then close TB! and copy the files back into place, then restart TB! and create the folders afresh. Yes, I learned that way soon afterwards ;-) I think the reason for the new Firefox major version number has nothing to do with features and everything to do with a new policy of releasing a major version every so many weeks. Well I looked at the change list and although I see some changes that maybe could be considered major updates but not enough to warrant a version jump. Well I wouldn't have said so, but then most of the changes are 'under the hood'. So, you may very well be right. -- Si #11252. I God Howe Wrens? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • The Bat! Pro 4.2.44.2 • Extended Macro Plugin 1.2.1.0 • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 • Scanned by avast! Plugin DB Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
Hello MFPA, On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:01:03 +0100 (your time) you said: Although TB!'s OpenPGP integration has fallen behind, so that Thunderbird (with Enigmail) is now superior in that respect. Yeah, I think there will always be pros and cons, and it will always boil down to what each person likes and what they are (or can get) used to. I think Thunderbird is a fine bit of kit btw..if you are looking for or switching to a free client and you can live without TB!'s features :) I'm still using GnuPG 1.4.1, after switching from PGP a good few years ago. I haven't yet tried GnuPG 2. Probably because I've been reading about others having issues with v2 and TB!. But then I'm in no hurry to change anything so... Over the last couple of years I have seen less GnuPGP/PGP signed mail in my mailbox. People I know rarely bother nowadays. I still use it however. Ironic really, considering it is probably more relevant now than it ever has been. -- Si # 9747. Weigh Worse Nod? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • The Bat! Pro 4.2.44.2 • Extended Macro Plugin 1.2.1.0 • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 • Scanned by avast! Plugin DB Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
Hello MFPA, On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 13:24:05 +0100 (your time) you said: Most people I know wouldn't even bother with a free mail client, because Outlook Express came free with Windows or because they used webmail. Actually, that's a fair point. It's absolutely true that webmail seems to dominate - I can't abide the minimalism of webmail, especially after using TB!. But on the open source client side Thunderbird seems to be quite dominant, although still not for me. I tried Thunderbird myself two or three times but never got on with it. The main issues I had were threading, filtering, and message templates. I also didn't like look/feel of the user interface, although I daresay that could be altered to suit if the feature set made it worth the effort. Yeah, I've tried it a number of times as well. For me it just doesn't cut the mustard, but for others they seem to get along with it okay. TB!'s filtering and feature set is second to none IMO. There'd have to be compelling reasons for giving up TB! in favour of something *I consider* inferior ;-) [...] I can't see any point in continuing updating quite frankly. Maybe you (and I?) will, in time - see my comment above about v2/v3. (-; Yes, you never know, it is still possible. It may depend on how long I hold this current grudge ;-) -- Si #15512. New Does Or Whig? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • The Bat! Pro 4.2.44.2 • Extended Macro Plugin 1.2.1.0 • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 • Scanned by avast! Plugin DB Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
Hello Melissa, On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 13:59:07 -0700 (your time) you said: [...] I'm much more reluctant to recommend TB! to new users [...] I like v4.2.x, and it works well enough, even with the unfixed bugs - many of them should have been dealt with before v5 was released however...well IMO of course. I ever wouldn't go back to 2.x though. And I'll be sticking with TB! 4.2.x for now, for some of the reasons you give, and also because the latest release...well..., let's just say I won't be 'updating' to v5 again after trying it and 'downdating' rapidly after discovering I'd been shafted with an alpha release ;-). TB! has always had a lot of issues; right back to v1.x I remember this and the beta list being very, very busy with bug reports and discussions (and ego-driven drawn out arguments about this and that, and also about TB!'s rubbish help...or total lack of it. And look how many years it took to get the help anywhere near sorted. Even so, I got quite a few people using TB! back then, and my phone was always ringing because of it. Some of those that switched to TB! have since stopped using it, and others stopped at v2.x and others at v3.x. Very few moved on to 4.2x. And like you, I don't recommend it to anyone these days: after this v5 fiasco I definitely won't be following the RITLabs path any longer. With Thunderbird about and popular I find that most people just don't see the point of paying for a proprietary email client any longer, even if it is laden with features, most of which they'll never use. Personally, I feel a bit miffed that RIT released v5 when there were plenty of issues still to sort out with v4. But that's their prerogative. Now I'm stuck at v4 with the unfixed bugs, which narks me, but I'll live with them. I can't see any point in continuing updating quite frankly. -- Si #23875. I Hews Go New Rod? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • The Bat! Pro 4.2.44.2 • Extended Macro Plugin 1.2.1.0 • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 • Scanned by avast! Plugin DB Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple signature delimiters
Hello Dwight, On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:34:13 -0500 (your time) you said: the current behavior is the proper one. [...] I never questioned whether the current behaviour was the 'proper behaviour', or not, Dwight - whatever 'proper behaviour' means; 'preferred behaviour' might be more accurate, but then it is clearly preferred by some, and not all. Anyhow, I was just after a solution to a problem that I face replying on other message lists where the flamin' list software appends list information to the end of the message but precedes it with a cut-line. -- Si #28967. Whin Row Go Seed? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • The Bat! Pro 4.2.44.2 • Extended Macro Plugin 1.2.1.0 • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 • Scanned by avast! Plugin DB Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Multiple signature delimiters
Hello TBUDL, This is a puzzler (for me at least): If you have more than one signature delimiter - or cut-line if you like - in a message, TB! currently treats the last occurrence as the delimiter, and ignores any cut-lines before it, so unwanted signatures can still appear in the message body when you reply to a message. How can I get TB! to cut at the first occurrence of a delimiter rather than the last? This is proving a pain on message lists list information is appended to the message and preceded by a wretched cut-line, superseding your own sig. Inevitably, when you then reply the reply contains not just the message but the message authors signature as well, which also has to be trimmed. So I'd like to be able to get TB! to cut at the first occurrence of the delimiter for some lists instead. Is this possible? Thanks. -- Si #15167. Who Owe Dins Erg? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • The Bat! Pro 4.2.44.2 • Extended Macro Plugin 1.2.1.0 • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 • Scanned by avast! Plugin DB Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple signature delimiters
Hello, On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 14:42:16 +0100 (my time) I said: [...]...TB! currently treats the last occurrence as the delimiter, and ignores any cut-lines before it, so unwanted signatures can still appear in the message body [...] Seems I am wrong! I have been sending myself test emails with multiple signatures from account to account in TB! and all the sigs are recognised as sigs by TB!, changing to default green. Replying to them does in fact remove all occurrences of the signatures, not just one. So that is confusing. I can only assume that my and others' delimiters are being modified somehow when the other list information is being appended to replies. If this is the case, is there a way to deal with this using regular expressions? -- Si # 5216. We Gored Snow Hi? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • The Bat! Pro 4.2.44.2 • Extended Macro Plugin 1.2.1.0 • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 • Scanned by avast! Plugin DB Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple signature delimiters
Hello, Perhaps I am not totally going bonkers, but rather slightly confused. Looks like TB! adds a space to all sig delimiters that follow the first occurrence... if the sigs are created in TB! And TB! still recognises the delimiters that follow and displays them as signatures. So three sigs would be: --·¶ Nomen ·--·¶ Nomen ·--·¶ Nomen · represents a space So TB! is actually recognising the first delimiter and hobbling the rest but still displaying them...but only when created in TB!. But then TB! obviously doesn't modify anything that lands in your inbox with sigs composed in various email clients. In such a case a message then might look like this: --·¶ Nomen --·¶ Nomen --·¶ Nomen And then TB! of course doesn't modify anything, but cuts at the last signature delimiter..as I thought. So, I'm not crazy, and I would therefore still like to know if anyone can suggest any creative way to deal with this in a reply template. I'm not that bright when it comes to those things, but basically, if the first cut-line has to somehow have precedence over subsequent ones. Sorry. I hope some kind soul can put me out of my misery. It's just a really annoying having to trim long sigs and quotes out of replies. -- Si #20721. Ore Den Iww Gosh? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • The Bat! Pro 4.2.44.2 • Extended Macro Plugin 1.2.1.0 • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 • Scanned by avast! Plugin DB Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
