Re: Upgrade from 5.8.2 to 6.0.10
On 12/13/2013 you wrote: If you are on XP it will have to drag to the quick launch section on the far left next to the start button. This works for 7 and 8 Sorry, but it doesn't do that here. Win7, SP 1. I just ran the Win updates, FWTW. Ignore the sig. I have no idea where TB! is finding it, but it's not the sig the template points to. Thanks, though! Cheers! -- Lynn theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo *** Win7U *** OVB Kubuntu Linux 13.04 *** I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7601 5.8.8 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrade from 5.8.2 to 6.0.10
On 12/8/2013 you wrote: Huh? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your comment but I can create a TB! shortcut and pin it to the taskbar with no problem. I now have a Bat icon on my taskbar. I can't either. At all. I've tried every way I could think of. The links don't come up, period. Every time it has to be started with a 'search for software' . It's annoying, but less so than the filters, the sig files, the sudden sloowness ... those are dealbreakers. Still fighting for it, but running out of steam. This sig, for instance, must exist on my system somewhere, but it is NOT current. I'm running Win7 at SP 1, or thought I was, and TB! is now at 5.8.10 for a certainty .. unless the install failed catastrophically with no messages, but put the old version up. Where'd it get it from??? Sig files are hard linked in the folder/address templates! Hanging in ... -- Lynn theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo *** Win7U *** OVB Kubuntu Linux 13.04 *** I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7601 5.8.8 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrade from 5.8.2 to 6.0.10
On 12/12/2013 you wrote: Close all open windows, left-click and drag the shortcut down into the task bar and release. A dialog box should appear saying pin to task bar which it now should be. Now delete the shortcut remaining on your desktop as it's no longer necessary. That's how I got my TB! shortcut onto my task bar. The same can be done for any program on your computer. The only one requiring it seems to be TB!. I'll try later when I reboot. As far as the sudden slooowness, I can't help there. Your sig, maybe. My sig looks like this: Actually, mine is very much simpler, but this is NOT the sig which is indexed to this folder. Yes, I use the macros, yes, it worked, not for months or a couple of versions, for YEARS. I haven't had a chance to dig around and find out where it's getting this file, or why it isn't honoring the links in the templates. It takes so long to plow through the mail and file it manually that I haven't got there yet. Nor to the filters. But it would be a help not to have to load it manually every time, so thanks again! At this rate, I'm going to owe you my first born son! lol! Don't hold your breath ... I'm past the relevant age :-) Cheers! -- Lynn theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo *** Win7U *** OVB Kubuntu Linux 13.04 *** I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7601 5.8.8 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrade from 5.8.2 to 6.0.10
On 12/12/2013 you wrote: Well, I might be able to help with some of this stuff. Lets try getting a TB! shortcut on your task bar. First, close all open windows on your desktop. Second, if you're running Win 7, go to START+COMPUTER. When the window opens up double-click LOCAL COMPUTER, then double-click PROGRAM FILES (x86), locate and open (double-click) the folder THE BAT!, right-click on TheBat.exe. From the menu which appears choose CREATE SHORTCUT. A TB! shortcut (TheBat.exe-shortcut) will appear below TheBat.exe. Left-click and drag that shortcut to your desktop and drop it there. Close all open windows, left-click and drag the shortcut down into the task bar and release. A dialog box should appear saying pin to task bar which it now should be. Now delete the shortcut remaining on your desktop as it's no longer necessary. That's how I got my TB! shortcut onto my task bar. The same can be done for any program on your computer. Jack, I just did all that. Filemgr - TB!folder - thebat!.exe - right click. Make shortcut. Copy shortcut (drag) to desktop - right click No links to 'pin to ..' anything at all, not on the task bar, not on the menu, not from the icon on the desktop, nor from the icon on the taskbar after TB! is loaded. In fact, before sending this, I just went to the file manager and checked to make sure those links wouldn't appear on the .exe icon, on right clicking it. I'll check again after closing TB!, but I don't expect anything different. Some of this stuff may be WinDoze being 'helpful', but I'm not discovering anything there, either. The weird thing is that now TB! and some other packages are loading at much lower resolution than they were, or probably should be. I'll pick the brain of the guy who loaded the system here this time. I never used to let anyone load my systems, and maybe I need to go back to that, but he really is very much more knowledgeable than I, and he offered ... and it was a gift, and one shouldn't look gift horses in the mouth, should one? Or have they changed that rule since I was in school ..? lol! I do appreciate the help, though. It really is beginning to seem like anything I touch goes badly south these days. Cheers! -- Lynn theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo *** Win7U *** OVB Kubuntu Linux 13.04 *** I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7601 5.8.8 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrade from 5.8.2 to 6.0.10
On 12/12/2013 you wrote: Actually you have to drag the shortcut all the way down into the task bar before you'll see that pin to task bar message. If the task bar is accessible with the window from whence it came still open, you can just drag it straight down into the task bar from that window. I didn't know if you had the TheBat folder opened full screen or not. You don't really have to drop the shortcut on the desktop first as I suggested earlier. And, just to make sure, even if the task bar is locked the shortcut can still be dropped into it. I just checked. I'll give it another shot then .. Thanks again! -- Lynn theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo *** Win7U *** OVB Kubuntu Linux 13.04 *** I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7601 5.8.8 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost draft
On 11/22/2013 you wrote: TB! is the best POP client in the world. I've only been using it since v1.6x (year 1999), so you beat me there. As I said, I don't know anything about IMAP, so I wouldn't know where TB! ranks. As nearly as I can tell, IMAP is altogether inferior. It's slow and clunky to manage (ty TB! for improving on that issue), but I didn't set up this account; my weird SIL who did thinks IMAP is the best thing since sliced bread did. He's brilliant in IT and security terms, but he holds some strange opinions :-) He also thinks Thunderbird is a great mailer, so you can see we don't see eye to eye on computing matters. He assures me that the account can be converted, no problem from the server point of view. It would be kind of strange if converting that account put the whole thing right, but it seems unlikely. It's on our own server, and the IMAP in this version really does seem very usable, and I was going to leave it alone. If there is consensus that it might fix the filtering problems and other oddities to convert that account to POP, I'll give it my best shot. I take it I'll have to delete the account and reload it. Heartily agree that TheBat! is the best mailer in the world. I'll even give them the IMAP, though I don't know why people like it. Not that keen on having my stuff on other people's servers, if I don't have to for some reason. The IMAP in this version is the fastest I've seen, though nowhere close to the POP speed, of course. My brother the mainframe(r) loaded TB! up in WinE, (laptop, not BigIron, on a slooow connection) and kind of yelped when he fetched the mail. We were talking at the time :-) He couldn't believe how fast it was, even in WinE, which was only one reason I ran it. There was some kind of dealbreaker thing for him, but I don't remember what it was. I just wish I could get this version up to previous standards :-) It's seriously broken here at the moment. sigh Best - -- Lynn theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo *** Win7U *** OVB Kubuntu Linux 13.04 *** I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7601 5.8.8 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost draft
On 11/21/2013 you wrote:
I'm pretty sure I remember seeing some time ago a discussion
regarding your Rogue photo not displaying. I don't remember
what the suggestions were then but mine works as it should
and it's because (I think) I have this line in my TB *NEW*
and *REPLY* templates: %SetHeader('X-Rogue',':Deuxdad:')%-.
Having your handle (:Hawthorne:) in your sig I don't think
will work. You would of course replace :Deuxdad: with
:Hawthorne:. Worth a shot.
My apologies if this is no longer an issue with you.
It hadn't worked it's way back up the priority list, but thank
you! I'll file that, and when I get the filtering sorted out,
I'll do it!
The sig files are misbehaving too, also lower priority than the
filters, but probably once I get those sorted out, the sig thing
will be easy.
Thank you for the Rogue fix, though! Come to think of it ...
sigs on this account are working. The only ones that are, but
I'll go plug that in tonight!
Cheers !
--
Lynn
:Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag:
theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo
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Re: Lost draft
On 11/21/2013 you wrote: My apologies if this is no longer an issue with you. Well, let's check it out :-) -- Lynn theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo *** Win7U *** OVB Kubuntu Linux 13.04 *** I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7601 5.8.8 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost draft
On 11/20/2013 you wrote: Right you are. I just tested a couple of POP accounts, and they do save there. IMAP strikes again ... and just when I thought it was finally working! lol! So is it a general IMAP issue, or just an IMAP issue with TB!? I don't know - as much as I hate to say it, ThunderBird seems to handle IMAP correctly, I just don't find TB usable. Load it up and go and have lunch or something; it'll take that long to dl POP, and IMAP takes much longer. Yes, I dl it all. TB!'s IMAP module has always been a bit cranky, and my plan on reverting to WinDoze and upgrading toTB! 5.8x was to convert that IMAP account to POP. I was pleasantly surprised to find it seemed to be working fast and smoothly, delighted, in fact, until the whole mailer seemed to blow up. If I thought the IMAP account was the cause of the problem, I'd figure out how to convert it, but the problems seem to span all the accounts and I hadn't thought of it in those terms. I'm open to suggestions, thoughts, ideas ... the prospect of chasing another mailer is not attractive to me; I've been using TB! since v 1.3 ..? Yeah, pretty sure it was an upgrade to 1.6, which I ran for quite a while. I've used most of the other available clients at one time or another, and have not been impressed. There are no usable email clients for Linux at all ... I ran TB! in WinE for the three years I ran Linux. I nearly sold you to my brother, a mainframer who remains unimpressed with desktop systems; his vice would be Amiga, if there was better support. It seems Amiga has a useful email client, but I've not been able yet to get him to port it to WinDoze! lol! Well, one day at a time. Will keep at it for a bit, but it's looking bad. I'm losing correspondence, I'm pretty sure, and all my correspondence isn't getting out. Very discouraging. Cheers! -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo *** Win7U *** OVB Kubuntu Linux 13.04 *** I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7601 5.8.8 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost draft
On 11/20/2013 you wrote: I have TB! automatically compact most folders on exit. It had not occurred to me that *moving( a message from one folder to another was effectively a copy and a delete (unlike moving files in Windows from one folder to another, which is just a re-mapping of the info already stored on disk to a new filesystem location). I had never thought about it. I do that too ... but maybe we need to turn that off, til either the behaviour reverts to the expected, or new functional behaviour is instituted. Some lost mails are worse than a nuisance :-( Cheers! -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo *** Win7U *** OVB Kubuntu Linux 13.04 *** I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7601 5.8.8 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Roguemoticons/Smileys
On 11/19/2013 you wrote: Neither the text file pcwsmileys.msl nor the folder pcwimages exist anywhere on my computer. CANCEL RED ALERT! File/folder found! I have a program called SEARCH EVERYTHING (http://www.voidtools.com/) which will find anything you type in it's search bar (I thought). Using that program showed me that the two files above didn't exist, but of course, they did. I don't know why the program failed to find them but they were buried where they shouldn't have been within The Bat! AHA! You may have provided a key to my troubles. I ran these searches just now - I don't have your utility, but I didfind a club big enough to force WinDoze to search subfolders. No joy. WinDoze is quite certain those files don't exist anywhere in the file structure. I'm not altogether convinced, but I'm not sure how much more time I can give this thing. Now I'm wondering whether the fact that TB! is installed to my work drive, not to c:\windows\programfilesx86 might be the problem. I've been running it off the work partition for at least several releases, so it didn't occur to me that that could be causing issues. If so, I'm thinking it might be better to reinstall to the conventional folder. Otherwise, it looks like I'm going to have to abandon TB!, because it really has become unusable here, with no filters and no view pane. I have to load every mail just to id it - lots of list mail, and it takes as long to load a 'me too' message as an informative one. It's also decided not to bother with sig files, except in this isp account. Not mission critical, but more time wasted pasting them in manually. Or, I might load Voyager to a 16G thumb drive ... I do have the dl, but I haven't found the list messages very encouraging, so I haven't done anything with it. Getting pretty desperate ... but I'm not willing to give up the computer yet. But you know ... email is key! Cheers! -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo *** Win7U *** OVB Kubuntu Linux 13.04 *** I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7601 5.8.8 1 IMAP, 7 POP accounts Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Vew pane disappearance
On 11/14/2013 you wrote: As to the rest of your aggravations, and perhaps even the above, the only thing I can offer is to simply re-install TB! I have been told numerous times on this list that you can do that without un-installing first. Just re-install it over the existing copy. But as with all operations like this, I'd probably make a TB! backup first. 'K, did that, sent a reply w/SS of what I'm looking at ... but it was rejected for being oversized. Trying again ... this should come through, but I'm not sure there's enough resolution for you to see anything useful. Since then, I've also discovered that even without filters, emails are being misrouted - a testmail I built and closed to test Jack's problem was routed from my personal IMAP account to my ISP POP account sentmail folder. That seems wrong ... Trying the SS again. I just can't get it to show me a view pane, not at any setting, much less the one I'd like to use. And now I'm terrified of the filters. Cheers! -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo *** Win7U *** OVB Kubuntu Linux 13.04 *** I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7601 5.8.8 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost draft
On 11/18/2013 you wrote: Are you using IMAP? In my case I'm doing this with POP accounts, I don't know if there may be any difference with IMAP. I just tested with my IMAP account. It didn't save here, either. Just gone ... exactly as Leonard described. Sorry to confirm. Best - -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo *** Win7U *** OVB Kubuntu Linux 13.04 *** I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7601 5.8.8 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost draft
On 11/18/2013 you wrote: Well, I must have done something peculiar, as I cannot find it. My IMAP folder behaves as you describe - no save. I hadn't discovered this yet; there have been other issues here, but given that we seem to have lost the drafts folder altogether, it's kind of worrisome. Hope it's a temporary glitch ... Best - -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo *** Win7U *** OVB Kubuntu Linux 13.04 *** I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7601 5.8.8 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost draft
On 11/18/2013 you wrote: I just found it. I had sent it instead of closing it (red-faced). Thanks. That's not what happened here, though. I've not only looked in that account's outbox/sentfolder/trash - I looked in the others, too, because I've had some exciting filter behaviour here. The one I closed here is just gone ... not sent, just not anywhere here. sigh Best - -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo *** Win7U *** OVB Kubuntu Linux 13.04 *** I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7601 5.8.8 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost draft
On 11/18/2013 you wrote: I just found it. I had sent it instead of closing it (red-faced). Thanks. On combing my other accounts one more time - I found mine in the sent folder of my isp account (POP). I'm guessing that would be a filter issue, though ... still, I closed the thing, didn't send or save it, so it shouldn't have turned up in the outbox of a totally different account. Guess my caution in rebuilding filters is not misplaced :-/ Best - -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo *** Win7U *** OVB Kubuntu Linux 13.04 *** I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7601 5.8.8 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost draft
On 11/18/2013 you wrote: I'm guessing it's an IMAP vs POP difference. Here, using POP, when I open a draft from the outbox and edit it but do not save or send it, it remains parked in the outbox as a draft. Right you are. I just tested a couple of POP accounts, and they do save there. IMAP strikes again ... and just when I thought it was finally working! lol! -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo *** Win7U *** OVB Kubuntu Linux 13.04 *** I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7601 5.8.8 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Vew pane disappearance
On 11/14/2013 you wrote: T I have always used the 'split pane', which gives me an account T list at the left, the right pane split into an upper list pane, T the lower the view pane. [snip] https://www.google.com/search?q=how+do+i+retrieve+a+window+from+off+screenie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-achannel=fflb Granted, most of these solutions pertain to Windows itself but they may be helpful in getting back your errant pane. Nothing I could find ... worth a try, though, thanks. As to the rest of your aggravations, and perhaps even the above, the only thing I can offer is to simply re-install TB! I have been told numerous times on this list that you can do that without un-installing first. Just re-install it over the existing copy. But as with all operations like this, I'd probably make a TB! backup first. Hmm. I did think of that, and actually, that was why I upgraded - in hope of fixing the filtering stuff. And now this ... but maybe three times lucky, eh? lol! Again, worth a try, though. Thanks, I'll give it a shot tomorrow and get back to you. I do appreciate the input! Cheers - -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo *** Win7U *** OVB Kubuntu Linux 13.04 *** I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7601 5.8.8 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Vew pane disappearance
Hi Batters - I don't know what is going on with this package. I wrote a while ago, but if any of you were trying to help, the messages disappeared. Perhaps the problem is being generated somehow by ComStar .. er ... Comcast ... since that is the worst affected account, though I don't understand how. I did get rid of the 50k or so of duplicated messages, and got the filters turned off. I do not have the time to process mail manually, but without any idea why or how the filters failed, I am afraid of beginning the cascade over again. After I wrote the first time, my view pane disappeared. This further slows down my mail management and processing, and makes it harder to figure out what is going on. If there are earlier responses, I don't know how to access them, except locally. I no longer have a link to the list db, but I expect I can retrieve my pw, if I could search there? Thanks in advance for any ideas. Cheers! -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo *** Win7U *** OVB Kubuntu Linux 13.04 *** I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7601 5.8.8 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Vew pane disappearance
On 11/13/2013 you wrote: T After I wrote the first time, my view pane disappeared. This T further slows down my mail management and processing, and makes T it harder to figure out what is going on. T If there are earlier responses, I don't know how to access them, T except locally. I no longer have a link to the list db, but I T expect I can retrieve my pw, if I could search there? T Thanks in advance for any ideas. T Cheers! Just out of curiosity, if you go to VIEW + WINDOW SPLIT MODE, what mode is selected? If your WINDOW SPLIT MODE accidentally got changed, that might explain your missing pane. I have always used the 'split pane', which gives me an account list at the left, the right pane split into an upper list pane, the lower the view pane. There is no longer any 'window split mode' on my VIEW menu. Window split mode is now on the WORKSPACE menu. Took me a while to find it when I upgraded. It was set there when it disappeared, but I have set it to all possible settings since in the effort to give it back. It's now set to 'full width preview'. I have two lists; one of accounts on the left, and one of the header list on the right. I assumed I'd reduced the view pane to the point the grab line disappeared at first; if that's what's happened, I have been totally unable to retrieve it. Oh ... I forgot to mention that I no longer have auto sig files either. I have to add them manually, unless I reply directly from a specific email. It is no longer picking up sig files from the AB at all otherwise. Most of the filters are set against particular addresses, a few are folder or account specific, but they don't appear to be working as they did in previous versions. Only a few were working correctly when I turned them off. It seems I no longer have any idea how they operate. The whole thing seems to have had a nervous breakdown of some kind, and I don't have any idea where to start. Everything I do seems to break something else. There has to be a fix. ThunderBird and I are not compatible, nor for that matter is any other mail client usable for my purposes. I'm afraid to deinstall and reload for fear of losing my db. I upgraded from 5.8.? in hope of stabilizing the filters, and got the view window and sig problems on top of the filters. It didn't fix the filters :-/ So ... I'm scared, Batters. I'm not ready yet to abandon my correspondence and research vices. Thanks, Jack, for anything you might think of. Glad to answer any questions, if I can catch the mails. Cheers! -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo *** Win7U *** OVB Kubuntu Linux 13.04 *** I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7601 5.8.8 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Cache IMAP inbox ..?
On 11/7/2010 you wrote: Yes, but first take your stop watch and look how long it takes before TB! starts up, then delete the cache and, once more, see how long it takes before TB! starts up and let us know if you see any difference! ;-) P.S.: The answer is Yes! (and you should notice some difference) Is it possible my problem with the IMAP inbox could be related to the cache ..? Over time I am discovering things about this. The filters will no longer run on that inbox, and the 'delete' button doesn't work on it at all, the delete key on the keyboard does work sporadically, and I can read and answer mails from the trash folder. The keyword is 'sporadically' however; it doesn't work every time. But I really do need a fix for this. tia - -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7600 4.2.36.4 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP - No message loaded error - next installment
On 10/26/2010 you wrote: I have Thunderbird installed for just such occasions. My preferred client is The Bat, but since it is IMAP, I can use any client to get the messages and Thunderbird is a good way of testing whether the problem is server or client related. I couldn't get Thunderbird to talk at all. It won't accept the pw for some reason, and I've kind of given up on it. Not only do I not like it, but I don't understand it and I don't have the time to mess with it :-/ The things that cause problems for me are accounts with lots of folders or lots of accounts to check at the same time, particularly when there are messages waiting in several of them. One large email can hold up everything else and I wonder whether the connections timeout and hang. Yes, this could be. There are several accounts - but all but the one with the problem are POP accounts, and all are working fine as of this writing. Most have lots of folders, including this IMAP account. But .. the only one with problems is the IMAP account :-/ You could play around with some of the settings in Properties|Mail Management|IMAP Fine Tune at account level and see whether that makes a difference. Well, so far that hasn't accomplished anything. I have managed to move all the messages to the trash folder, (the delete key worked where the delete button on the interface did not) where for some reason I can read them. I can't move any to any other folder, however, and none of the filters work on that account. There is a new version of IMAP for The Bat in the works, and hopefully this will address some of the current issues. I hope so. In the meantime, has anyone ever managed to fix a filter problem like this one? There are filters specific to this account, as well as a common filter which combs about 3 of them, the other accounts being POP accounts. Will be glad to provide any other info you like, if you think it will help. tia - -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7600 4.2.36.4 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP - No message loaded error
Hello TheLimit, On Sunday, October 24, 2010, 7:12:04 PM, TheLimit wrote: Nothing has changed in the account settings. I'm stumped. If anyone can tell me how to get it to load these messages so I can read them, I'm all ears. A few of them at least are important; those which are obviously spam can't be deleted. Does the Connection Centre show any activity when you select one of the messages or select [F2] to download? It appears to do nothing, but the CC does show a list of messages it is pretending to load and to filter - the filters aren't working either :-/ What are the folder synchronisation settings? Set for full synchronization. Have been from when I set it up. [little snip] I sometimes get this problem on my laptop, usually on a slow connection, when it takes a very long time for message bodies to appear. Sometimes restarting TB works, but at other times I just have to wait - the connection centre shows the downloads in the queue but nothing happens. In some cases I end up using webmail. Eventually the messages appear in TB. I've been waiting for three days. And the mail server is in the basement; speed shouldn't be an issue :-/ I'm going to have to go and see if I can read at least some of these message straight off the server, because they really won't wait :-/ Maybe I should just go to POP on this account too; I hate IMAP, but really resented losing my 15 year old db, and thought maybe I'd better try to get along with it. Thanks for your reply. If any of my answers give you reason to think I can give the thing a swift kick, I'd appreciate knowing what boots to wear :-) I'm beginning to think that not many Batters are using IMAP, and maybe more to the point, the reason for it :-/ Again, many thanks! -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7600 4.2.36.4 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP - No message loaded error
Hi Batters - My IMAP account has stopped loading messages. I'm not sure how to describe this; it lists the messages, and has continued (for the two days this has happened) to dl the subject lines, but refuses to load the messages. The text window just says 'no message loaded'. Nothing has changed in the account settings. I'm stumped. If anyone can tell me how to get it to load these messages so I can read them, I'm all ears. A few of them at least are important; those which are obviously spam can't be deleted. I've reloaded TB! several times, that hasn´t helped. tia - -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7600 4.2.36.4 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Templates and IMAP
On 8/22/2010 you wrote: can't imagine how anything is different in IMAP as far as templates go. Never noticed it here. And you use both? These POP accounts seem fine. As I get a completely bizarre time lag sometimes doing things in IMAP, I left this particular problem alone for a couple of days, in case it just needed some 'catch up' time. That didn't help. I'm really totally stumped. -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7600 4.2.36.4 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Templates and IMAP
Hi Batters - OK, I'm baffled again ... I've been building my templates in this new install (yeah, it's taking a while), and it's not going well. I went to templates in the AB a while back, and I liked it, so that's what I'm doing. The first one I did is fine; the rest refuse to play, period. I get a totally blank mail, and the F4 key doesn't work on replies. I can't figure it out. They used to work fine. This is an IMAP account. The POP account seems OK, though I haven't got very far with it. Will that go away too .. ? What's going on? How do I fix it? tia .. -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7600 4.2.36.4 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP issues, was Filtering across accounts
On 7/26/2010 you wrote: There is hope. I just tested the latest Alpha and IMAP is starting to look like its working much better. rotfl! I mean, it's great to know that and all, but I had hoped there was something I could do now! So should I take that to mean that my SIL has the correct opinion of TB!'s IMAP, and I must stop abusing him because his annoying opinion is justified? I was going to ask him if something needed tweaking on the server side, but I think maybe I'll just lay low on that for a while ... Thanks for the opinion and the heads up! -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7600 4.2.36.4 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP issues, was Filtering across accounts
On 7/27/2010 you wrote: Hmm. I don't use common filters. Better look at that ... maybe that's the ticket! I find it much easier, since I don't need multiple duplicated filters when a contact uses several different addresses for me. Yes, that does make sense. Sometimes old habits should die easier :-) [snip] You could look at the message headers. Redirected messages will have an extra few lines at the top relating to the journey from your POP account via SMTP to your IMAP account. Ah. I'll do that. Thanks a million! A closed mouth gathers no foot Ain't it the truth! lol! -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7600 4.2.36.4 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:IMAP issues, was Filtering across accounts
On 7/26/2010 you wrote: Hi On Monday 26 July 2010 at 6:38:14 AM, in mid:199967424.20100725223...@comcast.net, TheLimit wrote: On 7/25/2010 you wrote: Hello Lynn, On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:25:33 -0700 GMT (26/Jul/10, 3:25 AM +0700 GMT), TheLimit wrote: T I thought the easy way to deal with this would just T be to filter these emails from the 'wrong' account T to a folder in the 'right' account, since the filter T options imply strongly that you can do just this. Yes, this works over here. If the fitler is triggered it performs a Move To action. It works here, too. As long as I make sure the message isn't caught by an earlier filter in the list that doesn't continue processing other filters. I use all common filters so have to make sure I share the filter with all necessary accounts. Hmm. I don't use common filters. Better look at that ... maybe that's the ticket! [little snip] Looks OK to me. As long as Terry is always using that from address. Yes. And if it's a common filter, you have it shared with the appropriate accounts. No, but I'll remember for other applications :-) Does test filters suggest it should work? (Select a message and right-click..) That too - thanks. Which brings me to - Amazingly - bearing in mind that I was wrestling with the thing over a couple of days - at some point yesterday all the messages in the POP inbox did get shifted over to the correct folder in the IMAP box. Several times, apparently; there are now multiple dupes in that folder. I have no way to know, of course, which filter model was effective, but operating on the KISS principle, I'll just assume it was the 'move' filter I posted to the list. Now I just need to get rid of the dupes, but has anybody got a clue why this delay happened? A way to fix it? One of the things that is driving me mad with this IMAP account is that there is always a lag for anything I do, except initiating or replying to a message. Deletes sometimes take all day, even if I close the mailer and reopen it. Because it doesn't delete immediately, I am afraid it will delete something I didn't intend to dump, and it does seem to have eaten a few messages along the way. I don't see this lag in the POP accounts. For those who didn't catch my first message with all the info, the IMAP accounts are on my freeBSD server, which is running PostFix. In case that's relevant. It's probably also relevant that I'm no Linux wizard, (or even literate there) and have not yet figured out how all that stuff works. Again, many thanks in advance for any wisdom you have to offer! -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7600 4.2.36.4 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filtering across accounts
Hey Batters - I use a lot of filters here, the filters are one of the things that make it impossible for me to use a different mailer, but I'm having some issues now. I've had to rebuild my whole email db, as I mentioned recently, and I've also acquired a few more accounts. Because of the problems I've been having the last year or so with the scrambled db (post trojan infection some installs/reinstalls didn't take as well as I expected, and to make a long story short, I have abandoned 10+ years of email and started over) people are often using the 'wrong' addy to email me, and though I'll eventually get them sorted out, in the meantime my correspondence is a shambles. I thought the easy way to deal with this would just be to filter these emails from the 'wrong' account to a folder in the 'right' account, since the filter options imply strongly that you can do just this. However, this isn't happening, and I can't figure out why. Since a couple of hours of tinkering had no useful result, and one of the options in the filters is to 'redirect the message', I thought that would probably work. However, I struck out there, too. I should say that I have both POP and IMAP accounts in this mess, and at the moment I am trying to filter from a POP account (gmail) to an IMAP (local, my freebsd server running postfix) account. So .. can anybody tell me where I'm going wrong? Eternal gratitude in advance - -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Windows 6, Build 7600 4.2.36.4 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering across accounts
On 7/25/2010 you wrote:
Hello Lynn,
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:25:33 -0700 GMT (26/Jul/10, 3:25 AM +0700 GMT),
TheLimit wrote:
T I thought the easy way to deal with this would just be to
T filter these emails from the 'wrong' account to a
T folder in the 'right' account, since the filter options
T imply strongly that you can do just this.
Yes, this works over here. If the fitler is triggered it performs a
Move To action.
Yes, I've had other filters that worked fine across
accounts. But this one doesn't.
T However, this isn't happening, and I can't figure out why.
Send us your filter for disection.
Yessir! Attached.
My guess is that either the filtering condition isn't what you think
it is, or there is another filter catching that mail and not
continuing with other filters.
Mmm. I was thinking on those lines too, but can't find it.
T Since a couple of hours of tinkering had no useful result, and one
T of the options in the filters is to 'redirect the message', I
T thought that would probably work.
That's a completed different think. The Move filter will move the
message in the DB on your computer, Redirect will send it by SMTP to
the other email address, which by coincidence is also read by your
TB!.
This is all true :-) However, it would get it from the
gmail inbox to the perseus inbox, where the local filter
which *does* work in that account could shuffle it off to
it's correct folder.
Theoretically.
T I should say that I have both POP and IMAP accounts in this mess,
T and at the moment I am trying to filter from a POP account (gmail)
T to an IMAP (local, my freebsd server running postfix) account.
OK, I can talk only about POP. Don't know whether Move would work
to/from an IMAP account.
Well, it's true that there are some definite weirdnesses
about IMAP accounts, which I don't much like, in truth.
But for assorted reasons I went that route here, and I'm
kind of doggedly determined to make it work, you know?
T Eternal gratitude in advance -
Are you sre about the 'eternal' part? ;-)
Sure I'm sure. Aren't you sure? If we can't be sure about
eternity, what can we be sure about? ;-)
What we CAN'T be sure about is the spell checkers!
--
Lynn
:Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag:
theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo
I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2
Windows 6, Build 7600
4.2.36.4 TB! Message Filter
beginFilter
UID: [054E7612.01CB2C32.2ADC997A.35462964]
Name: Terry
Filter: {\0d\0a\20`0`0`rubytu...@live.com\0d\0a}
MoveMessage folder \5C\5CLynn\5CFriends\5CTerry
IsContinue
IsActive
Ignore
IsSendNow
endFilter
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http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering across accounts
On 7/25/2010 you wrote:
Send us your filter for disection.
Here is the redirect filter -
That's a completed different think. The Move filter will move the
message in the DB on your computer, Redirect will send it by SMTP to
the other email address, which by coincidence is also read by your
The thing is, it IS different, so I would expect to see
some difference in the result. But no, no difference at
all. The messages just sit there ...
This is probably going to be something monumentally
stupid, but I have a lot of filters that DO work, and I'm
not sure I don't have one right now that is working across
accounts!
tia!
--
Lynn
:Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag:
theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo
I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2
Windows 6, Build 7600
4.2.36.4 TB! Message Filter
beginFilter
UID: [054E7612.01CB2C32.2ADC997A.35462964]
Name: Terry
Filter: {\0d\0a\20`0`0`rubytu...@live.com\0d\0a}
Redirect template
Hello\20%TOFName,\0D\0A\0D\0A\20\20%Cursor\0D\0A\0D\0A--\20\0D\0ABest\20regards,\0D\0A\20%FromFName\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20mailto:%FromAddr
send address l...@turriff.net
IsContinue
IsActive
Ignore
IsSendNow
endFilter
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http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Window split mode
Hello Roelof, Friday, July 9, 2010, 5:28:46 PM, you wrote: Hallo Lynn, On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 09:42:47 -0700GMT (9-7-2010, 18:42 , where I live), you wrote: L The immediate problem is that yesterday when I brought TB! L to the focus to do something, the split window dropped the L mail reader portion out, and I have been totally unable to L recover it. I have reset it to a different Try: View - Message auto view Roelof to the rescue again! Thank you! Now maybe I can figure out why the templates don't want to play. -- Thanks - Lynn Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Window split mode
Hello Rick, Friday, July 9, 2010, 10:03:56 AM, you wrote: [snip] The immediate problem is that yesterday when I brought TB! to the focus to do something, the split window dropped the mail reader portion out, and I have been totally unable to recover it. I have reset it to a different configurations, restarted TB!, rebooted the system, all to no avail. It refuses to let me see the window pane that allows me to read the mail without opening it in another window. Have I missed anything? Does anyone know what? I really could use some help on this. I had a similar problem and the window was 'there but resized out of sight (if that makes sense) By hovering over the bottom bar and getting the pane resize cursor, I was able to drag it up so it was again visible. Thanks. That's always a possibility, and it does seem to turn up sometimes after upgrades .. new feature :-) But Roelof was right this time; the auto view had somehow got turned off. Always glad of input, though - -- Lynn Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Window split mode
Hello Batters - I have a couple of issues here, and being at wits end am writing in hopes that someone knows what is going on. I'm running v4.2.36.4 on Win 7. This a new install; after numerous and various problems I stripped TB! off the system, hand editing the registry, and reinstalled, sacrificing all my old dbs, in hopes of fixing the various issues (including no sig files or templates, disappearing filters and so on) which were plaguing it. As it had been reinstalled numerous times over the old dbs, I'm sure it was the right thing to do, though painful. In spite of hand editing the registry, when I reinstalled the installer did find some old references, and I'd kind of like to know how that happened, though I don't think those references are part of the immediate problem. The immediate problem is that yesterday when I brought TB! to the focus to do something, the split window dropped the mail reader portion out, and I have been totally unable to recover it. I have reset it to a different configurations, restarted TB!, rebooted the system, all to no avail. It refuses to let me see the window pane that allows me to read the mail without opening it in another window. Have I missed anything? Does anyone know what? I really could use some help on this. tia, -- Best regards, TheLimit mailto:the.li...@comcast.net Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
