Re: Problems with size (width) of HTML messages using internal viewer

[Marck Pearlstone]

Dear Richard,

@30-Oct-2016, 9:29  +  (30-Oct 09:59 here) Richard L de S Clauson
[RLD] in mid:1285301168.20161030095...@virbius.co.uk said to TBUDL:  

... 
>>> email ends up much wider than the message plane in the 3-plane layout I 
>>> use
... 
>>> I'm not certain of the release state of the fixed version.
... 
RLD> I've now upgraded from v6.8.8 to v7.3.12, but not all the "extra wide"
RLD> emails are reformatted to fit inside the message pane of the triple-pane
RLD> window.  Most disappointed.

At  the  time  of writing HTML formatting had apparently been fixed in
the  latest  versions.  The BugTraq report has even been closed.

Since  then,  I  too have been disappointed to see images swelling the
HTML  again and have reported this to the developers. My apologies for
the mislead - entirely unintentional, I assure you. I will be pressing
RITlabs  to  re-open  the bug report to allow further investigation of
the issue.

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Re: Problems with size (width) of HTML messages using internal viewer

[Richard L de S Clauson]

Saturday, September 24, 2016, 12:12:19 AM, Richard L de S Clauson 
(rich...@virbius.co.uk) wrote:
> Thursday, September 22, 2016, 1:42:15 PM, Marck Pearlstone 
> (ma...@silverstones.com) wrote:
>> Dear Richard,
>>
>> @22-Sep-2016, 6:03  +0100  (22-Sep 12:26 here) Richard L de S Clauson
>> [RLD] in mid:967995112.20160922122...@virbius.co.uk said to TBUDL:  
>>
>> ... 
>>
>> email ends up much wider than the message plane in the 3-plane layout I 
>> use
>>
 ... This is a bug in TB that was fixed 2 betas ago and is no longer
 an issue in the next release.
>>
RLD>>> Are you saying that if I now upgrade from 6.8.8 to 7.3.4 (the latest
RLD>>> release) that emails formatted in the TheBat! HTML Viewer will look 
correct,
RLD>>> and as good as those formatted in the Windows OS HTML Viewer?
>>
>> Essentially, yes.
>>
>> I wouldn't know whether or not they look "correct" since I haven't
>> compared. All I can say for certain is that this specific bug was
>> called out as a bug, addressed a month or so back in the beta version
>> and has been fixed. This fix has improved my personal reading of HTML
>> mails with embedded pictures to a point of near perfection rather than
>> sprawling the message to the width of the largest picture and not
>> scaling.
>>
>> I'm not certain of the release state of the fixed version.
>>
>
> Marck,
>
> That sounds excellent news.  One of my bug-bears with The Bat! was the way 
> that it sometimes failed to render an HTML email in a sufficiently readable 
> way when the sender was cavalier with the sizes of the images they supplied 
> and slack with the HTML code they used to define their output/display.
>
> I hope that this fix has also been replicated into the way emails are then 
> printed.  Even if the Windows OS HTML Viewer rendering option is chosen the 
> printing rendering reverts back to that of The Bat! HTML Viewer rendering.
>
> I'll now put in for an Upgrade licence fron v6.x to v7.x.
>
> Thanks
>


Marck,

I've now upgraded from v6.8.8 to v7.3.12, but not all the "extra wide" 
emails are reformatted to fit inside the message pane of the triple-pane 
window.  Most disappointed.

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Re: Problems with size (width) of HTML messages using internal viewer

[Richard L de S Clauson]

Thursday, September 22, 2016, 1:42:15 PM, Marck Pearlstone 
(ma...@silverstones.com) wrote:
> Dear Richard,
>
> @22-Sep-2016, 6:03  +0100  (22-Sep 12:26 here) Richard L de S Clauson
> [RLD] in mid:967995112.20160922122...@virbius.co.uk said to TBUDL:  
>
> ... 
>
> email ends up much wider than the message plane in the 3-plane layout I 
> use
>
>>> ... This is a bug in TB that was fixed 2 betas ago and is no longer
>>> an issue in the next release.
>
RLD>> Are you saying that if I now upgrade from 6.8.8 to 7.3.4 (the latest
RLD>> release) that emails formatted in the TheBat! HTML Viewer will look 
correct,
RLD>> and as good as those formatted in the Windows OS HTML Viewer?
>
> Essentially, yes.
>
> I wouldn't know whether or not they look "correct" since I haven't
> compared. All I can say for certain is that this specific bug was
> called out as a bug, addressed a month or so back in the beta version
> and has been fixed. This fix has improved my personal reading of HTML
> mails with embedded pictures to a point of near perfection rather than
> sprawling the message to the width of the largest picture and not
> scaling.
>
> I'm not certain of the release state of the fixed version.
>

Marck,

That sounds excellent news.  One of my bug-bears with The Bat! was the way 
that it sometimes failed to render an HTML email in a sufficiently readable 
way when the sender was cavalier with the sizes of the images they supplied 
and slack with the HTML code they used to define their output/display.

I hope that this fix has also been replicated into the way emails are then 
printed.  Even if the Windows OS HTML Viewer rendering option is chosen the 
printing rendering reverts back to that of The Bat! HTML Viewer rendering.

I'll now put in for an Upgrade licence fron v6.x to v7.x.

Thanks

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Re: Problems with size (width) of HTML messages using internal viewer

[Marck Pearlstone]

Dear Richard,

@22-Sep-2016, 6:03  +0100  (22-Sep 12:26 here) Richard L de S Clauson
[RLD] in mid:967995112.20160922122...@virbius.co.uk said to TBUDL:  

... 

 email ends up much wider than the message plane in the 3-plane layout I use

>> ... This is a bug in TB that was fixed 2 betas ago and is no longer
>> an issue in the next release.

RLD> Are you saying that if I now upgrade from 6.8.8 to 7.3.4 (the latest
RLD> release) that emails formatted in the TheBat! HTML Viewer will look 
correct,
RLD> and as good as those formatted in the Windows OS HTML Viewer?

Essentially, yes.

I wouldn't know whether or not they look "correct" since I haven't
compared. All I can say for certain is that this specific bug was
called out as a bug, addressed a month or so back in the beta version
and has been fixed. This fix has improved my personal reading of HTML
mails with embedded pictures to a point of near perfection rather than
sprawling the message to the width of the largest picture and not
scaling.

I'm not certain of the release state of the fixed version.

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Re: Problems with size (width) of HTML messages using internal viewer

[Richard L de S Clauson]

Tuesday, September 13, 2016, 9:27:08 AM, Marck Pearlstone 
(ma...@silverstones.com) wrote:
> Dear Richard,
>
> @13-Sep-2016, 0:41  +0100  (13-Sep 07:00 here) Richard L de S Clauson
> [RLD] in mid:273697223.20160913070...@virbius.co.uk said to Richard:  
>
RLD>> Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 6:42:35 PM, Richard L de S Clauson 
(rich...@virbius.co.uk) wrote:
>
> ... 
>>> email ends up much wider than the message plane in the 3-plane layout I use
> ... 
>>> Are there any settings, including tweaking the underlying template or 
>>> definition or CSS files, that I can change to stop this really annoying 
>>> behaviour?
>
> No.
>
RLD>> Is anyone likely to answer my problem (above)?
>
> Yes. This is a bug in TB that was fixed 2 betas ago and is no longer
> an issue in the next release.
>

Marck,

Are you saying that if I now upgrade from 6.8.8 to 7.3.4 (the latest 
release) that emails formatted in the TheBat! HTML Viewer will look correct, 
and as good as those formatted in the Windows OS HTML Viewer?

Richard

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Re: Problems with size (width) of HTML messages using internal viewer

[Marck Pearlstone]

Dear Richard,

@13-Sep-2016, 0:41  +0100  (13-Sep 07:00 here) Richard L de S Clauson
[RLD] in mid:273697223.20160913070...@virbius.co.uk said to Richard:  

RLD> Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 6:42:35 PM, Richard L de S Clauson 
(rich...@virbius.co.uk) wrote:

... 
>> email ends up much wider than the message plane in the 3-plane layout I use
... 
>> Are there any settings, including tweaking the underlying template or 
>> definition or CSS files, that I can change to stop this really annoying 
>> behaviour?

No.

RLD> Is anyone likely to answer my problem (above)?

Yes. This is a bug in TB that was fixed 2 betas ago and is no longer
an issue in the next release.

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Re: Problems with size (width) of HTML messages using internal viewer

[Richard L de S Clauson]

Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 6:42:35 PM, Richard L de S Clauson 
(rich...@virbius.co.uk) wrote:
> For quite some time (probably over 2 years) dome of the HTML (formatted) 
> emails I receive are formatted very badly by The Bat!.
>
> What is happening, and mainly caused by large embedded images, is that the 
> email ends up much wider than the message plane in the 3-plane layout I use 
> can display (folders all down left side, folder content top-right, message 
> bottom-right).
>
> When I temporarily switch from "Use The Bat! HTML viewer" to "Use Windows OS
> HTML Viewer" the the email is re-sized to fit the Message plane.
>
> Are there any settings, including tweaking the underlying template or 
> definition or CSS files, that I can change to stop this really annoying 
> behaviour?
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
>


Is anyone likely to answer my problem (above)?

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Problems with size (width) of HTML messages using internal viewer

[Richard L de S Clauson]

For quite some time (probably over 2 years) dome of the HTML (formatted) 
emails I receive are formatted very badly by The Bat!.

What is happening, and mainly caused by large embedded images, is that the 
email ends up much wider than the message plane in the 3-plane layout I use 
can display (folders all down left side, folder content top-right, message 
bottom-right).

When I temporarily switch from "Use The Bat! HTML viewer" to "Use Windows OS 
HTML Viewer" the the email is re-sized to fit the Message plane.

Are there any settings, including tweaking the underlying template or 
definition or CSS files, that I can change to stop this really annoying 
behaviour?

Thanks,
Richard

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Re: Pasting images in HTML messages

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Rick,

On Saturday, May 26, 2012 you wrote:

>> Mornin' Batties,

>> In the past I was always able to paste images in
>> my HTML messages and now am no longer able to do
>> so. When I CTRL-V to paste the image the cursor
>> moves to the right one space but the image doesn't
>> appear. Also, forwarding received messages which
>> contain images now strips the images from the
>> forwarded message prior to sending.

>> I'm assuming I've changed some setting somewhere
>> but have no idea where or what. Any help in this
>> would be greatly appreciated.

R> I  have  that same issue too. It USED to work and sometimes (from some
R> copy sources) it will STILL work

R> Dragging  a  single image into the body of an email opened for editing
R> will also insert it

My problems apparently began when I switched my editor choice
(OPTIONS-PREFERENCES-VIEWER/EDITOR) to HTML only. I could no longer INSERT a
picture in a message. I could attach but not insert.

Changing  (OPTIONS-PREFERENCES-VIEWER/EDITOR) back to Plain Text (MicroEd) put
everything back to normal.

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Re: Pasting images in HTML messages

[Rick]

> Mornin' Batties,

> In the past I was always able to paste images in
> my HTML messages and now am no longer able to do
> so. When I CTRL-V to paste the image the cursor
> moves to the right one space but the image doesn't
> appear. Also, forwarding received messages which
> contain images now strips the images from the
> forwarded message prior to sending.

> I'm assuming I've changed some setting somewhere
> but have no idea where or what. Any help in this
> would be greatly appreciated.

I  have  that same issue too. It USED to work and sometimes (from some
copy sources) it will STILL work

Dragging  a  single image into the body of an email opened for editing
will also insert it

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Pasting images in HTML messages

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Mornin' Batties,

In the past I was always able to paste images in
my HTML messages and now am no longer able to do
so. When I CTRL-V to paste the image the cursor
moves to the right one space but the image doesn't
appear. Also, forwarding received messages which
contain images now strips the images from the
forwarded message prior to sending.

I'm assuming I've changed some setting somewhere
but have no idea where or what. Any help in this
would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: text colour for incoming html messages

[MFPA]

Hi

On Tuesday 18 August 2009 at 6:18:51 PM, in
, MFPA wrote:


> Hi

> I have a couple of contacts that send HTML emails
> formatted with some  of the text in black. As I read my
> email with white text on a black  background, I miss
> this bit of the text unless spacing suggests there  is
> something there to highlight.


Having said that, there is another contact whose HTML emails follow my 
setting for white writing but show it on a very pale grey background.


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Missing hyperlinks in plaintext version of HTML messages

[MFPA]

Hi


Can anybody confirm or refute? 

Links that are written as a URL to click in the HTML version of a
message are also available in the plaintext version.

Links where the text you click in the HTML version differs from the
URL are not present as links at all in the plaintext version.


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text colour for incoming html messages

[MFPA]

Hi


I have a couple of contacts that send HTML emails formatted with some 
of the text in black. As I read my email with white text on a black 
background, I miss this bit of the text unless spacing suggests there 
is something there to highlight.

There are no longer separate places to set PTV and RTV preferences but
the rich text viewer honours my PTV background setting of "black." How
can I make it also honour my text colour setting of "white?"


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Re: HTML Messages

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On Tuesday, November 11, 2008 at 12:53:04 PM, Stuart wrote:

SC> open you can select which images you want to allow to be downloaded. Once
SC> allowed they will open from then on. You can do this manually each time or
SC> select Show this Window Automatically at the bottom.

There it was!  Thank you so much for the help, that is
outstanding@

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Re[2]: HTML Messages

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello O.,
  A reminder of what O. Martin Moran typed on:
  Tuesday, November 11, 2008 at 12:47:02 GMT -0700

OMM> Thanks for the reply.  I have both of those set to HTML only and it still 
doesn't
OMM> work.  Any other ideas?

On a message that has is HTML there should be a little globe with a question 
mark on it in the header area. Click on it and select Show URL Manager. Once 
open you can select which images you want to allow to be downloaded. Once 
allowed they will open from then on. You can do this manually each time or 
select Show this Window Automatically at the bottom. 

The idea behind this is to stop bad things form loading in Spam etc.  In those 
cases you will deny them opening an outside images.

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Re: HTML Messages

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On Tuesday, November 11, 2008 at 9:43:14 AM, Bob wrote:

BR> Go to  and then click on the main "viewer-editor"
BR> line to open a window.  There, look at the viewing of .html
BR> window - you get four choices, I believe.

Thanks for the reply.  I have both of those set to HTML only and it still 
doesn't
work.  Any other ideas?

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Re: HTML Messages

[Bob Riley]

Hi O.,

Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 9:12:37 AM, you wrote:

> Hi folks,

> I'm sorry, this is a VERY newbie question from a user of a couple of
> years, however:  how can I get TB! to display html messages, formatted
> with graphics and everything else, in the message viewer pane or when
> I double click to open a message?  They don't show the graphics at
> this point and I'm wondering if I've just missed a checkbox or something.

> It's annoying to have HTML support and STILL have to double click the
> attachment to view it properly.

> Thanks.

Go to  and then click on the main "viewer-editor" 
line to open a window.  There, look at the viewing of .html 
window - you get four choices, I believe.

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HTML Messages

[O. Martin Moran]

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Hi folks,

I'm sorry, this is a VERY newbie question from a user of a couple of
years, however:  how can I get TB! to display html messages, formatted
with graphics and everything else, in the message viewer pane or when
I double click to open a message?  They don't show the graphics at
this point and I'm wondering if I've just missed a checkbox or something.

It's annoying to have HTML support and STILL have to double click the
attachment to view it properly.

Thanks.

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Re: Characters set BUG in TB3 internal HTML messages Viewer

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello WilWilWil,

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:31:49 +0200 GMT (21/04/2005, 01:31 +0700 GMT),
WilWilWil wrote:

TF>> TB doesn't switch automatically, that's an annoyance. You have to
TF>> right-click on the message and choose your character set. then the
TF>> message will be displayed correctly.
W> Thanks.

W> Does it mean that Ritlabs don't expect to sale in France ?  ;-)

I hávê nö pròblems in the PTV, only the RTV needs to be switched
manually.

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Re[2]: Characters set BUG in TB3 internal HTML messages Viewer

[WilWilWil]

TF> TB doesn't switch automatically, that's an annoyance. You have to
TF> right-click on the message and choose your character set. then the
TF> message will be displayed correctly.

:-(   It doesn't work. I always have strange characters, not the same, but 
strange anyway. I've tried all set and no good result ! :-(

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Re[2]: Characters set BUG in TB3 internal HTML messages Viewer

[WilWilWil]

TF> TB doesn't switch automatically, that's an annoyance. You have to
TF> right-click on the message and choose your character set. then the
TF> message will be displayed correctly.
Thanks.

Does it mean that Ritlabs don't expect to sale in France ?  ;-)

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Re: Characters set BUG in TB3 internal HTML messages Viewer

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello WilWilWil,

On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:40:53 +0200 GMT (19/04/2005, 03:40 +0700 GMT),
WilWilWil wrote:

W> But an important problem occurs: I’m French and I receive
W> messages with accentuated characters as E with acute, E grave or C
W> cedil or others…
W> Latin 1 (ISO8859-1) is well implemented in my TB, and I can see
W> correctly these specials characters when I view message as text in
W> “text” tab.
[...]
W> How can I say to TB to switch automatically on the right characters set?

TB doesn't switch automatically, that's an annoyance. You have to
right-click on the message and choose your character set. then the
message will be displayed correctly.

Funny thing is, when you open the message the next time, TB will have
remembered the character set and will display is correctly upon
opening.

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Characters set BUG in TB3 internal HTML messages Viewer

[WilWilWil]

Hello,

I agree with users mean that it’s a good idea that TB uses its own html 
routines, and does not use IE6 or Mozilla for viewing HTML messages in TB. More 
safety against viruses. 

But an important problem occurs: I’m French and I receive messages with 
accentuated characters as E with acute, E grave or C cedil or others…
Latin 1 (ISO8859-1) is well implemented in my TB, and I can see correctly these 
specials characters when I view message as text in “text” tab.

But impossible to view correctly in “html” tab. Accentuated characters are 
replaced by strange characters…

How can I say to TB to switch automatically on the right characters set?

I had the same problem in Firefox, and I have found an option in menu to say 
firefox to switch automatically on the right set by checking the option 
"Universel". Is there a same feature in TB3 ?

Thanks,


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Re: HTML replies to HTML messages

[Anselm Buehling]

Hi Mary,

> Well, as Alexander pointed out, it's a recognized bug. So you might go
> here and write a supporting note:

Thanks, done! Feel free to join me there, everyone! :-)

Have a nice weekend,

Anselm


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Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: HTML replies to HTML messages)

[Anselm Buehling]

Hi Roloef,

> Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any
> difference to whether or not you need a cut mark.

[sigh] - Actually I deleted my signature (and the delimiter) in order
to avoid problems of this kind. I didn't realize that a signature is
apparently automatically attached to every mail posted to TBUDL. I'm
sure the intentions are only the best and no, I do not "feel singled
out". Still, it feels kind of strange if 1. you remove your signature,
2. one is automatically attached to the message and 3. you then get an
automatic reply reminding you to include a cut mark into your
message...

Kind regards and a great weekend to you and everyone!

Anselm

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Mod: Cut mark (was: HTML replies to HTML messages)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Anselm,

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:55:12 +0100GMT (14-1-2005, 17:55 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

AB> only other substantial drawback which comes to my mind is the missing
AB> Unicode support).

AB> Thanks, all the best,

AB> Anselm



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just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Anselm.

  )<)))'>

Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists
of a , i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line.
This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without
the signature and list footers since everything below and including
the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting.

You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in
your templates.

Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any
difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being
courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added
to your signature by the list server.

To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of
private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you
subscribed.

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Re: HTML replies to HTML messages

[Mary Bull]

Hello Anselm!

On Friday, January 14, 2005, 10:55 AM, you wrote:

> It seems, then, that the answer is this:

>>> On the other hand, it may be that it's not possible to do what you
>>> want.

> Which is a real drawback in an otherwise very good mail program ( the
> only other substantial drawback which comes to my mind is the missing
> Unicode support).

Well, as Alexander pointed out, it's a recognized bug. So you might go
here and write a supporting note:

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1807

That, together with reminding the Bat Team of the deficiency on the
tbbeta list, might even get it fixed before the next full update to v.
3.0.1.33, which will probably happen sometime in 2005!

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Re: HTML replies to HTML messages

[Anselm Buehling]

Hello Mary, Thomas and Mary! ;-)

Thanks for your comments. I have tried the combination of the OTEXT
macro and the "HTML only" option but to no avail. The HTML formatting
of the original mail gets lost. Anyway, I would want to continue to
use MicroEd as standard editor and use HTML replies to HTML mails only
where they are necessary / make sense.

It seems, then, that the answer is this:

>> On the other hand, it may be that it's not possible to do what you
>> want.

Which is a real drawback in an otherwise very good mail program ( the
only other substantial drawback which comes to my mind is the missing
Unicode support).

Thanks, all the best,

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Re: HTML replies to HTML messages

[Mary Bull]

Hello Andrew!

On Friday, January 14, 2005, 10:27 AM, you wrote:

>> Nothing. Its a long standing bug. Very annoying.
>> See https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1807
>> ...submitted October 2003 *sigh*

> That's a shame.

Here's a quote from a supporting note in October, 2004:

This bug was assigned to Stefan. Could you please answer - do you have
the plans to fix this particular issue in the future versions of The
BAT!?
=

People with an interest in getting this fixed should, in my opinion,
post further supporting notes.

The development team is in process of revising The Bat! for an
upcoming full release, apparently, from what we last read from the
team on tbbeta, this year--2005--sometime.

Every feature or bug that's of present importance will benefit from
updated supporting notes. To post to Bugtracker, click on the URL
above and log in, or, if among those without an account there yet,
click on the Main page link at the top of the page and sign up for an
account.

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Re[2]: HTML replies to HTML messages

[Andrew]

Hello Alexander,

Friday, January 14, 2005, 11:23:27 AM, you wrote and sent the following:

> Nothing. Its a long standing bug. Very annoying.
> See https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1807
> ...submitted October 2003 *sigh*

That's a shame.

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Re: HTML replies to HTML messages

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Anselm Buehling & everyone else,

on 14-Jan-2005 at 15:56 you (Anselm Buehling) wrote:

>  What am I doing wrong?

Nothing. Its a long standing bug. Very annoying.
See https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1807
...submitted October 2003 *sigh*

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Re: HTML replies to HTML messages

[Mary Bull]

Hello Mary and Anselm!

On Friday, January 14, 2005, 9:18 AM, you wrote:

> In your address book Reply templates, are you using macros that quote
> the entire text you are replying to?

I got to thinking about possible macros and looked at the full
alphabetical list in Help/Help Topics/Index.

I found this interesting one:

OTEXT (replies) insert the entire text of the original message. This
macro is useful for Regular Expressions macros to ensure that the
entire text of a message is used - the TEXT macro inserts only the
selected part of text for "Reply ... quoting selected text" and the
"Reply without quotation" commands.

Combined with the choice of "HTML only" in the selection of an editor
in Options/Preferences/Viewer-editor, it seems like that could be a
possible way to get what you want, Anselm.

< ... >

> On the other hand, it may be that it's not possible to do what you
> want. The HTML features are relatively new in The Bat!, and I have
> seen some people complain about their usability in the past.

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Re: HTML replies to HTML messages

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Anselm,

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:56:26 +0100 GMT (14/01/2005, 21:56 +0700 GMT),
Anselm Buehling wrote:

AB> I don't usually use HTML for my email communication. However, once in
AB> a while I receive HTML mails where formatting DOES matter. I would
AB> like to preserve the HTML format when replying to those mails so that
AB> I can quote and refer to the quoted text in my answer. Unfortunatey, I
AB> have not yet been able to find out how this is done with The Bat.

Me neither. That is frustrating when tables are sent. In the office,
the X-coordinate would be the weight breaks, the Y-coordinates the
airlines, the values the rates per kilo. These differ, as each airline
as a different airfreight rate per weight break. Replying (even with
the HTML editor) messes the table all up.

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Re: HTML replies to HTML messages

[Mary Bull]

Hello Anselm!

On Friday, January 14, 2005, 8:56 AM, you wrote:

> ... I can create HTML mails from the scratch, but when I reply to a
> mail, the reply defaults to Text only. When I toggle back to HTML,
> the HTML formatting of the original mail is lost. What am I doing
> wrong?

I have never had occasion to try this. The only person who sends to me
in HTML I have informed that I will not be replying in HTML. I prefer
the MicroEd editor.

In Options/Preferences/Viewer-Editor, down at the bottom of the
window, have you selected "HTML" only?

In Options/Preferences/Viewer-Editor/HTML-Windows Editor have you set
up your preferences?

In your address book Reply templates, are you using macros that quote
the entire text you are replying to?

These are the places that I would look, if I were trying to quote the
HTML message just as I viewed it in the "View Folder" window.

On the other hand, it may be that it's not possible to do what you
want. The HTML features are relatively new in The Bat!, and I have
seen some people complain about their usability in the past.

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HTML replies to HTML messages

[Anselm Buehling]

I don't usually use HTML for my email communication. However, once in
a while I receive HTML mails where formatting DOES matter. I would
like to preserve the HTML format when replying to those mails so that
I can quote and refer to the quoted text in my answer. Unfortunatey, I
have not yet been able to find out how this is done with The Bat. I
can create HTML mails from the scratch, but when I reply to a mail,
the reply defaults to Text only. When I toggle back to HTML, the HTML
formatting of the original mail is lost. What am I doing wrong?

Thanks,

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Re: viewing HTML messages in specific folders only

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Mark,

On Fri, 28 May 2004 19:13:59 +0200 GMT (29/05/2004, 00:13 +0700 GMT),
Mark Partous wrote:

D>>> I'd like to view messages in HTML in only a specific set of
D>>> folders(trusted messages). Is this possible in any form(or even the
D>>> inverse as I could check off folders not to view in HTML)?

MP> The status has changed from "new" to "reviewed" on 07 Sep 2003 08:23.
MP> No note has been added by anyone.
MP> It must be most people don't like the idea.

I do.

MP> Those who want to support it, can leave a note in the Bugtrack
MP> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/main_page.php  bug id: 0001270

Bugnote added.

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Re: viewing HTML messages in specific folders only

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Mark,

Friday, May 28, 2004, 11:13:59 AM, you wrote:
Mark> Those who want to support it, can leave a note in the Bugtrack
Mark> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/main_page.php bug id: 0001270


Done... Thanks.


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Re[2]: viewing HTML messages in specific folders only

[Mark Partous]

Hello Leif,

Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 12:58:30 AM, you wrote:

LG> Hi DB,

LG> On Tue, 25 May 2004, at 17:31:23 [GMT -0500] (which was 4:31 PM where
LG> I live) you wrote:
D>> I'd like to view messages in HTML in only a specific set of
D>> folders(trusted messages). Is this possible in any form(or even the
D>> inverse as I could check off folders not to view in HTML)?

LG> Not that I'm aware of. But that sounds like a nice idea.

I introduced it in the whishlist on 26 Apr 2003 16:09.
I asked for "the option to set the reader to automatically read HTML
(override the general setup) on a per-folder-basis?"

The status has changed from "new" to "reviewed" on 07 Sep 2003 08:23.
No note has been added by anyone.
It must be most people don't like the idea.

Those who want to support it, can leave a note in the Bugtrack
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/main_page.php  bug id: 0001270


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Re: viewing HTML messages in specific folders only

[Leif Gregory]

Hi DB,

On Tue, 25 May 2004, at 17:31:23 [GMT -0500] (which was 4:31 PM where
I live) you wrote:
D> I'd like to view messages in HTML in only a specific set of
D> folders(trusted messages). Is this possible in any form(or even the
D> inverse as I could check off folders not to view in HTML)?

Not that I'm aware of. But that sounds like a nice idea.



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viewing HTML messages in specific folders only

[DB]

Been looking through the archives for awhile(view+folder+HTML gives a good number of 
hits)
and haven't been able to find anything related.

I'd like to view messages in HTML in only a specific set of folders(trusted messages).
Is this possible in any form(or even the inverse as I could check off folders not to 
view in HTML)?

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Re[2]: HTML Messages don't get sent

[Mamuka Khantadze]

Hello Ian,

You wrote:
Ian A. White> Mamuka,

Ian A. White> On Wednesday, May 12, 2004, 7:40:12 PM,
Ian A. White> you (Mamuka Khantadze) wrote:

MK>> Hello People,

MK>> I  have  very  wierd  (to  me)  situation.  I've  set up HTML to be my
MK>> defaulght  email  editor.  It works fine but the Bat doesn't send HTML
MK>> messages. If I change the format to plain, then it works fine.

Ian A. White> There was a problem with an earlier
Ian A. White> release where if you prepared a
Ian A. White> HTML message you could not pick the send
Ian A. White> button or menu option or even
Ian A. White> use the put in outbox options. The only
Ian A. White> option was to pick the save
Ian A. White> button or option and then close the
Ian A. White> message editor. The in the out box
Ian A. White> you had to remove the draft icon on the
Ian A. White> message and it would get sent.

Ian A. White> One other thing. Put a cut mark before your signature ;-)

1. Did anything change in new version? ( I don't think so as I've tried 2.10.03 and 
same results)

2. Thanks for the advice re:cut marks. Taken into consideration.

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Mamuka Khantadze
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Healthy Women in Georgia Program (http://healthywomen.ge)
John Snow (JSI) Research & Training Institute, Inc. (http://jsi.com)
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Re: HTML Messages don't get sent

[Bob Volkmer]

It's a bug. Turn off spell checking. However, I set my default editor
to plain text and this allows the spell checker to work then switch
via options/message format to html/plain to send,once I am happy with
the spelling.

-- 
Bob Volkmer
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004, 7:10:12 PM, Mamuka Khantadze wrote:

> Hello People,

> I  have  very  wierd  (to  me)  situation.  I've  set up HTML to be my
> defaulght  email  editor.  It works fine but the Bat doesn't send HTML
> messages. If I change the format to plain, then it works fine.

> Any ides?

> Thanks,

 
> Sincerely,


> Mamuka Khantadze
> Finance & Administration Director
> Healthy Women in Georgia Program (http://healthywomen.ge)
> John Snow (JSI) Research & Training Institute, Inc. (http://jsi.com)
> 25 Gogebashvili street, 4600, Kutaisi, Georgia
> Tel./Fax: +995-331 45363. 45364, 45717
> Mobile: +995-99 929297, E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


> 
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HTML Messages don't get sent

[Mamuka Khantadze]

Hello People,

I  have  very  wierd  (to  me)  situation.  I've  set up HTML to be my
defaulght  email  editor.  It works fine but the Bat doesn't send HTML
messages. If I change the format to plain, then it works fine.

Any ides?

Thanks,

 
Sincerely,


Mamuka Khantadze
Finance & Administration Director
Healthy Women in Georgia Program (http://healthywomen.ge)
John Snow (JSI) Research & Training Institute, Inc. (http://jsi.com)
25 Gogebashvili street, 4600, Kutaisi, Georgia
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Re[2]: Re-routing HTML messages

[JRS2]

Hello Edgar,

Monday, November 10, 2003, 2:07:21 PM, you wrote:

E> Hello JRS2,

E> On Monday, November 10, 2003, 2:51:55 PM, you wrote:

>> Thanks Thomas & Edgar,

>> I have gotten the MIME attachment to work.  It is not quite what I
>> want.

>> When someone sends an HTML message it opens, even in TheBAT, with all
>> the colors, bolds, etc that the sender wantedeven, in most cases,
>> with the links enabled if clicked on.  This is what I would like to
>> forwardor forward, but take out the reference to who originally
>> sent it to me.  The MIME attachement method sends a text message with
>> the attachement which the receiver must then manually openand is a
>> copy of the original message with all the senders info.

E> I do not know, but could it help to use the html as default
E> editor?

I believe that I set the reply up as an HTML editor.  It did not work.
When forwarding or redirecting an HTML message, the HTLM info showed
in the fwd as regular textit could then be modified to bold,
color, font, etc.

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Re: Re-routing HTML messages

[Edgar]

Hello JRS2,

On Monday, November 10, 2003, 2:51:55 PM, you wrote:

> Thanks Thomas & Edgar,

> I have gotten the MIME attachment to work.  It is not quite what I
> want.

> When someone sends an HTML message it opens, even in TheBAT, with all
> the colors, bolds, etc that the sender wantedeven, in most cases,
> with the links enabled if clicked on.  This is what I would like to
> forwardor forward, but take out the reference to who originally
> sent it to me.  The MIME attachement method sends a text message with
> the attachement which the receiver must then manually openand is a
> copy of the original message with all the senders info.

I do not know, but could it help to use the html as default
editor?
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 Edgar

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Re[2]: Re-routing HTML messages

[JRS2]

Thanks Thomas & Edgar,

I have gotten the MIME attachment to work.  It is not quite what I
want.

When someone sends an HTML message it opens, even in TheBAT, with all
the colors, bolds, etc that the sender wantedeven, in most cases,
with the links enabled if clicked on.  This is what I would like to
forwardor forward, but take out the reference to who originally
sent it to me.  The MIME attachement method sends a text message with
the attachement which the receiver must then manually openand is a
copy of the original message with all the senders info.

To do what I want requires add'l steps or is impossible (to me).  For
example, if I create an HTML message, I cannot just copy the HTML info
from THE BAT view as this come across as text, but if I open the
message.htm in IE I can copy it into the HTML message I want to send.


However, if the HTML message has external references (which open just
fine when sent to me in THEBAT), I get an error message when I copy
from IE to TheBAT HTML message..."List index out of bounds (0)".  I
can save the message.htm  and then attach it to my message, but then
it again is an attachement that the receiver will have to open.

Am I just trying to do something in TheBAT which is just "not as
designed"and if so, why?  Or am I missing something in the
procedures/tricks which I need to learn?

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Re: Re-routing HTML messages

[Edgar]

Hello JRS2,

On Saturday, November 8, 2003, 9:27:56 PM, you wrote:

>>> My problem is that I do not know how to forward these HTML
>>> messages so that they will 1) look the same as they do in TheBAT's
>>> HTML view or 2) if I am secure about the web access content/info,
>>> to forward it so that it looks as the originator intended.

TF>> Forward them as MIME-attachment.

>I tried to fwd the message and that did not work.  Not sure I
>understand the steps.  Do I need to set something up either in
>message format (text or HTML?) or someplace else?  Or, do I need to
>save and then send the 'Message.htm' as a MIME (which seems a reap
>pain)?

In the account properties on the under the templates icon there
is an icon for a forwarding template. Under the code of the
template there is a check saying: forward messages as attachments
(MIME Standard) this should do it.

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Re[2]: Re-routing HTML messages

[JRS2]

Hello Thomas,

Friday, November 7, 2003, 8:19:28 PM, you wrote:

TF> Hello JRS2,

TF> On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:45:36 -0500 GMT (08/11/2003, 01:45 +0700 GMT),
TF> JRS2 wrote:

>> My problem is that I do not know how to forward these HTML
>> messages so that they will 1) look the same as they do in TheBAT's
>> HTML view or 2) if I am secure about the web access content/info,
>> to forward it so that it looks as the originator intended.

TF> Forward them as MIME-attachment.

   I tried to fwd the message and that did not work.  Not sure I
   understand the steps.  Do I need to set something up either in
   message format (text or HTML?) or someplace else?  Or, do I need to
   save and then send the 'Message.htm' as a MIME (which seems a reap
   pain)?


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Re: Re-routing HTML messages

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello JRS2,

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:45:36 -0500 GMT (08/11/2003, 01:45 +0700 GMT),
JRS2 wrote:

> My problem is that I do not know how to forward these HTML
> messages so that they will 1) look the same as they do in TheBAT's
> HTML view or 2) if I am secure about the web access content/info,
> to forward it so that it looks as the originator intended.

Forward them as MIME-attachment.

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Re-routing HTML messages

[JRS2]

Hello,

I am a relatively early user of TheBAT.  I know that there are
good reasons only display HTML messages (or parts there of), in
TheBAT, that do not require access to the web.

My problem is that I do not know how to forward these HTML
messages so that they will 1) look the same as they do in TheBAT's
HTML view or 2) if I am secure about the web access content/info,
to forward it so that it looks as the originator intended.

Can any of you more experience people help?

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Re: Unable to read some HTML messages.

[Paul Cartwright]

On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 2:21 PM, you wrote:

PC>> hmm, not sure I want to do that with HTML,

AM> Hmmm. If not, then how do you feel about browsing the internet? It's
AM> the same html interpreter you're using. The same vulnerabilities
AM> you're concerned about when opening the html attachment from your TB!
AM> prevail when browsing web pages on the internet. The security settings
AM> you enforce for your browser will work when opening HTML from
AM> e-mails.

good point, I forgot about the browsers security settings (or lack of:)


AM> The checking of attachments when opening and saving them to file are
AM> really for those who don't run a system real-time scanner at the same
AM> time.

PC>> I don't think it is necessary to change that, since I added the
PC>> open "*.HTM" to the file type menu.

AM> So, are you saying your problem is now solved?

YES!! I was able to open that htm attachment!
it was actually already in the right-hand pane where it said message.htm

PC>> I deleted the NOD32 entry, left AVG.

AM> How did this help. Did the errors disappear?

no, but I feel better now? not sure why I had the NOD32 plug-in
installed.

PC>> ok, I'm not sure I understand. In TB you can add plugins. I don't
PC>> have NOD32 installed, I just had the plugin setup in TB.

AM> Having the NOD32 plugin installed, and NOD32 not installed on your
AM> system could likely lead to errors. I can just imagine the plugin
AM> trying to check an attachment and fails to find NOD32 on the system.
AM> It therefore pops up a message that it's unable to check the
AM> attachment and proceeds to prevent the opening of the unchecked
AM> attachment. IMO, that's the right and safe thing to do.

well, I never got an error message like that, just wouldn't open an HTM
message without giving me the virus error message. Now it's beginning to
BUG me, i really can't remember why I added the NOD32 plugin, I'm SURE I
must have thought I somehow had a valid reason to add a second virus
plugin... oh well , I guess it doesn't matter!

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Re: Unable to read some HTML messages.

[Allie Martin]

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Paul Cartwright [PC] wrote:'

PC> hmm, not sure I want to do that with HTML,

Hmmm. If not, then how do you feel about browsing the internet? It's
the same html interpreter you're using. The same vulnerabilities
you're concerned about when opening the html attachment from your TB!
prevail when browsing web pages on the internet. The security settings
you enforce for your browser will work when opening HTML from e-mails.
Finally, if the plug-in detects a virus when opening a file, the AVG
system scanner will detect the virus as well and prevent the file
being opened. So if there's a conflict which is resolved by disabling
the checking of attachments when opening them, I see nothing more to
worry about. Your machine is no more secure with both enabled as
opposed to one.

The checking of attachments when opening and saving them to file are
really for those who don't run a system real-time scanner at the same
time.

PC> I don't think it is necessary to change that, since I added the
PC> open "*.HTM" to the file type menu.

So, are you saying your problem is now solved?

PC> I deleted the NOD32 entry, left AVG.

How did this help. Did the errors disappear?

PC> ok, I'm not sure I understand. In TB you can add plugins. I don't
PC> have NOD32 installed, I just had the plugin setup in TB.

Having the NOD32 plugin installed, and NOD32 not installed on your
system could likely lead to errors. I can just imagine the plugin
trying to check an attachment and fails to find NOD32 on the system.
It therefore pops up a message that it's unable to check the
attachment and proceeds to prevent the opening of the unchecked
attachment. IMO, that's the right and safe thing to do.

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Re: Unable to read some HTML messages.

[Paul Cartwright]

On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 11:10 AM, you wrote:


AM> I decided to make this message not thread with yours since it's a
AM> different, though related issue that aught not to be lost in the 'HTML
AM> mail or not' debate.

thanks, I almost missed the answer while reading 57 new messages quickly
this morning:)

PC>> actually, I'm having a problem in TB with html attachments. when I
PC>> get a message with a message.htm in the left pane, I click on it,
PC>> and get a dialog box that says: File extension is htm  do
PC>> you want to save the file to disk instead of opening it?

AM> Yes.

I always click NO to save it.

AM> You can prevent this by adding the .htm and .html extensions to your
AM> list of extensions to open without warning. This setup is in the
AM> Options//Preferences dialog.

thanks, that worked, that did it!

PC>> I say "NO" and get another error message dialog box that says:

PC>> the anti-virus has reported an error, the file cannot be checked for
PC>> viruses.

AM> This is an anti-virus plug-in problem. You can temporarily prevent
AM> this by disabling the plug-in option to check attachments before
AM> opening them.

hmm, not sure I want to do that with HTML, I don't think it is necessary
to change that, since I added the open "*.HTM" to the file type menu.

PC>> I click OK, and the email message comes back to me, but the html
PC>> attachment doesn't open. I have 2 antivirus plugins, the NOD32
PC>> (test version 0.1) and AVG 10. I am using AVG, and I don't
PC>> remember why I added the NOD32 plugin.

AM> Are you using the plug-ins for both anti-virus programs at the same
AM> time? If so, then this could very well be your problem. Use only one
AM> of them for plug-in purposes. The other thing is that if you have the
AM> other doing real-time scanning then there could be a conflict with the
AM> real-time scanner checking the file when it's being opened while the
AM> plug-in is trying to do the same. Let only one scanner do one thing at
AM> a time.

I deleted the NOD32 entry, left AVG.

AM> I have both DrWeb and NOD32 installed here. I use DrWeb's plug-in and
AM> not NOD32's. I however use NOD32's real-time scanner and not DrWeb's.
AM> :) I don't have the plug-in options to check attachments on opening or
AM> saving them enabled, since NOD32's real-time scanner already does this
AM> and I don't wish to cause a conflict. These conflicts can lead to
AM> errors, system instability, and even BSOD's.


ok, I'm not sure I understand. In TB you can add plugins. I don't have
NOD32 installed, I just had the plugin setup in TB. I am using AVG as my
real time scanner ( I guess), it is my default anti-virus program that
runs all the time and scans my system every night.

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Unable to read some HTML messages.

[Allie Martin]

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Paul Cartwright [PC] wrote:'

I decided to make this message not thread with yours since it's a
different, though related issue that aught not to be lost in the 'HTML
mail or not' debate.

PC> actually, I'm having a problem in TB with html attachments. when I
PC> get a message with a message.htm in the left pane, I click on it,
PC> and get a dialog box that says: File extension is htm  do
PC> you want to save the file to disk instead of opening it?

Yes.

You can prevent this by adding the .htm and .html extensions to your
list of extensions to open without warning. This setup is in the
Options//Preferences dialog.

PC> I say "NO" and get another error message dialog box that says:

PC> the anti-virus has reported an error, the file cannot be checked for
PC> viruses.

This is an anti-virus plug-in problem. You can temporarily prevent
this by disabling the plug-in option to check attachments before
opening them.

PC> I click OK, and the email message comes back to me, but the html
PC> attachment doesn't open. I have 2 antivirus plugins, the NOD32
PC> (test version 0.1) and AVG 10. I am using AVG, and I don't
PC> remember why I added the NOD32 plugin.

Are you using the plug-ins for both anti-virus programs at the same
time? If so, then this could very well be your problem. Use only one
of them for plug-in purposes. The other thing is that if you have the
other doing real-time scanning then there could be a conflict with the
real-time scanner checking the file when it's being opened while the
plug-in is trying to do the same. Let only one scanner do one thing at
a time.

I have both DrWeb and NOD32 installed here. I use DrWeb's plug-in and
not NOD32's. I however use NOD32's real-time scanner and not DrWeb's.
:) I don't have the plug-in options to check attachments on opening or
saving them enabled, since NOD32's real-time scanner already does this
and I don't wish to cause a conflict. These conflicts can lead to
errors, system instability, and even BSOD's.

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Re: HTML messages

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AM>   Can TB write HTML messages?

"Officially", no. "Unofficially", yes. But this is "work of devil".
;-) Nobody loves HTML mail, and if such love exists that's a lost love.

Anyway, you can make your HTML, add all loads of pictures and so (pics
must be in the same folder with html), and when you finish it, open a
new message in TB and add this HTML as attachment together with all
pictures. That's it.

I discovered it once I had to send a very complicated formatted
text as an uncompressed html attachment (to a person who knew nothing
about WinZip and similar tools).


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Re: HTML messages

[Thomas F.]

Hello Alaeddin,

On Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:32:02 +0400 GMT (18/08/02, 14:32 +0700 GMT),
Alaeddin Muntasser wrote:

>> (much to some peoples disgust) or including an HTML feature in 

AM> Why is this bad for some people? Just out of curiosity.

It is not bad for some people, it is bad for all people. ;-)

HTML blows up the size of the mail by a significant factor, even if
you don't use colours and different sized fonts. Almost all emails
that I receive in HTML by OE/OL users or AOL users have no such
enhancement. If I strip the HTML part and view the message in TB's
Rich Text Viewer, I get exactly the same result. Why have 70% of the
size been wasted?

With millions of people sending email every day, a factor 2 or 3 or so
is significant to bandwidth on a global level. If you live in a
country that hasn't the widest international links, you'll understand.

Furthermore, I do not like to receive emails in green size 28 fonts on
pink background. I see no enhancement in that and hence no advantage
of HTML emails as opposed to plaintext emails. Pictures I can attach
alsoo to plaintext mails, I don;t need HTML for that.

Last not least, HTML is the Hyper-Text Markup Language, invented in
Geneva for hyperlinking seperate text parts in a document, or even
different documents. for the non-scientific user, Help files are often
HTML documents, and websites surely are; the latter are transmitted to
your computer using the Hyper-Text Transfer Protocol (http). Hence the
name of that protocol.

Email does not use the hypertext transfer protocol, it uses
email-related protocols. HTML has in fact nothing to do with email.
Why try to squeeze it in there?

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Re: HTML messages

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hi Adam,
On Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:56:13 +0100, you wrote:

> AM> Why is this bad for some people? Just out of curiosity.
> 
> Its seen as a security issue - an HTML rendered would need to be tightly
> written to avoid being as full of security holes as OE, for example.

I wouldn't just say security bugs, but more along the lines of wasted bandwidth.
I've followed a full HTML thread before, and it got to the size of nearly
800kb... the plain text version was a mear 50kb... quite a nasty size difference
for not using any formating of any sorts.  But as somebody has already
suggested, take a peek back through the archives.  I don't want to be somebody
that starts this one off again, although I probably did with the comment to
start with (my bad).

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RE: HTML messages

[Alaeddin Muntasser]

>
> Its seen as a security issue - an HTML rendered would need to be
> tightly written
> to avoid being as full of security holes as OE, for example.
>
this makes sense.. the company I work for is paranoid about security and TB
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Re: HTML messages

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Alaeddin!

On Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 9:32:02 AM you wrote:

> Why is this bad for some people? Just out of curiosity.

Not again. Try to search the Archives for threads about HTML mail, you
will find more than one or two heated debates about it.

I am sure someone will answer you on list opening up another can of
worms. Or is it Pandora's Box in this case? Well, it is already too
late ...



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Re: HTML messages

[Adam Rykala]

Sh'mae Alaeddin, 
On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, at 11:32:02 [GMT +0400] (08:32 where I live) you wrote: 

AM> Why is this bad for some people? Just out of curiosity.

Its seen as a security issue - an HTML rendered would need to be tightly written
to avoid being as full of security holes as OE, for example.

A

 

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RE: HTML messages

[Alaeddin Muntasser]

Hello Jonathan,
 
> (much to some peoples disgust) or including an HTML feature in 
Why is this bad for some people? Just out of curiosity.

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Re: HTML messages

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hi Alaeddin,
On Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:15:42 +0400, you wrote:

> Can TB write HTML messages?   Is there a way to add a plug in or something
> like that? I could not find any information about it in the help files.

No, TB cannot write HTML messages... at least not yet.  There have been mentions
(much to some peoples disgust) or including an HTML feature in version 2 of TB.

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HTML messages

[Alaeddin Muntasser]

Hello all,
  Can TB write HTML messages?   Is there a way to add a plug in or something
like that? I could not find any information about it in the help files.

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Saving Html messages as:

[Ron Secord]

Hi TBUDL,

First off, I hate HTML messages as much as anyone, but here at work I
am forced to use M$ Outlook 2002 on an Exchange Server. What I have
set up is an account within TB! so that I can save a message and
import it to TB! and reply if needed. It works fairly well on text
only messages. The problem is that when I recieve an html message, I
am having quite a bit of difficulty saving these so that I can import
them into TB!. Does anyone have any ideas how to do this? TIA

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Re: Can not view html messages

[Thomas F]

Hello Markus,

On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:42:05 +0200 GMT (27/06/02, 13:42 +0700 GMT),
Markus Mueller wrote:

MM> When receiving html messages, it occurs to me very often that the bat!
MM> does not show them (it stays on the message I viewed before) and does
MM> not mark it as read after a few seconds. Sometimes, it helps to
MM> restart the bat!, but this does not carry me far. Does anyone have an
MM> idea about what to do? I would be very happy, since I really enjoy
MM> using the bat!, but can not work properly given these bugs.

MM> I use TheBat! v1.60q under Win98;

I cannot confirm this at all, also using v1.60q under Win98.

What are your settings: HTML autoview yes/no, Rich Text Viewer yes/no?

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Can not view html messages

[Markus Mueller]

When receiving html messages, it occurs to me very often that the bat!
does not show them (it stays on the message I viewed before) and does
not mark it as read after a few seconds. Sometimes, it helps to
restart the bat!, but this does not carry me far. Does anyone have an
idea about what to do? I would be very happy, since I really enjoy
using the bat!, but can not work properly given these bugs.

I use TheBat! v1.60q under Win98; under NT, these problems do not
occur.

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Re: TheBat does not fully render HTML messages

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Mark

At 1:26 PM on Saturday, May 04, 2002 you wrote the following
about [TheBat does not fully render HTML messages]:


Mark> I am noticing in the HTML messages that I receive not
Mark> all HTML parts of the message is rendering, such as
Mark> graphics and other parts of the HTML message. The same
Mark> message appears to render fine in Microsoft Outlook
Mark> Express 6.0 and Netscape Communicator 4.79 Messenger.

Mark> Is this a known TheBat! HTML rendering issue?

  Yes, it is a known TB! issue. Its by design. TB! doesn't
  currently allow complete rendering for your safety:
  graphics, etc can transport virii. In fact, most of us are
  happy that TB! is currently a 'text only' email client.
  However, I believe RIT Labs is working towards allowing
  full html rendition somewhere down the road -- may even be
  soon; I don't know. So if its graphics in your email that
  you want, you've come to the wrong place. If its safety
  you want [amongst many other things], you can't get much
  better than TB!

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Re: TheBat does not fully render HTML messages

[Joseph N.]

Probably the parts that you are not seeing are not embedded in the
message.  Many commercial HTML messages link to a server for graphics
(as well as, occasionally, for other purposes such as web bugs). TB!'s
native viewer will not D/L from the Internet the way that OE and NS
do; in the minds of most users it's a desired security and resource
feature.

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> I am noticing in the HTML messages that I receive not all HTML parts of
> the message is rendering, such as graphics and other parts of the HTML
> message.  The same message appears to render fine in Microsoft Outlook
> Express 6.0 and Netscape Communicator 4.79 Messenger.

> Is this a known TheBat! HTML rendering issue?

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Re: TheBat does not fully render HTML messages

[Lynna Lunsford]

Hello Mark,

Saturday, May 4, 2002, 9:26:22 AM, you digitally penned the following;

MK> I am noticing in the HTML messages that I receive not all HTML parts of
MK> the message is rendering, such as graphics and other parts of the HTML
MK> message.  The same message appears to render fine in Microsoft Outlook
MK> Express 6.0 and Netscape Communicator 4.79 Messenger.

MK> Is this a known TheBat! HTML rendering issue?

The Bat! does not download images, I mean that If the images are not sent as actual
attachments that is part of the message then TB! will not display them. The
advantage of this is that SPAMMERS cannot track the emails they sent out with
their server logs of who downloaded their images. Some even use "invisisible"
images as a sort of cookie to track who has read the email. IF you really
want to view the email in its full HTML glory I believe you can open it in a
browser and it will go ahead and download the rest of the images. I believe
that is the jest of it but if I am wrong - the rest of you feel free to
correct or add to my explanation.

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TheBat does not fully render HTML messages

[Mark Knipfer]

I am noticing in the HTML messages that I receive not all HTML parts of
the message is rendering, such as graphics and other parts of the HTML
message.  The same message appears to render fine in Microsoft Outlook
Express 6.0 and Netscape Communicator 4.79 Messenger.

Is this a known TheBat! HTML rendering issue?

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Re[2]: HTML Messages Locking Up TB!

[Don Taylor]

Roelof,

> Does the message show when you're viewing the source-code? (Press )

Yes, I can see both parts of the message in the source window, even
when I'm getting a blank viewer window.

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Re: HTML Messages Locking Up TB!

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Don,

On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:35:19 -0800GMT (19-3-02, 18:35 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

DT> It started one day when I received an Outlook-created text/HTML combo
DT> message that wouldn't display either the text or HTML portion. After
DT> receiving that message (which long ago has been deleted and purged),
DT> every HTML message now exhibits the same problem. Basically, when I

Sometimes these kind of troubles happen when the setup of the explorer
has been corrupted. Try to re-install.

Does the message show when you're viewing the source-code? (Press )

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Re: HTML Messages Locking Up TB!

[Ottar Grimstad]

Hello Dwight,

Tuesday, March 19, 2002, 6:41:49 PM, you wrote to TBUDL:

DAC> There is currently a debate on the beta list about whether the
DAC> latest betas are ready to be release candidates. I would think it
DAC> would be worthwhile to join the beta list, get the link to the
DAC> beta, and give it a try, to see if that cures the problem.

The latest beta was just now made release candidate.
http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html
I find it a fine improvement over 1.53
But still to be used at own risk as the page states.

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Re: HTML Messages Locking Up TB!

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Tuesday, March 19, 2002, 11:35:19 AM, Don Taylor wrote:

> Anybody have any suggestions?

There is currently a debate on the beta list about whether the latest
betas are ready to be release candidates. I would think it would be
worthwhile to join the beta list, get the link to the beta, and give
it a try, to see if that cures the problem.

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HTML Messages Locking Up TB!

[Don Taylor]

Hello Everyone...

For more than two months I've been thrashing with a problem that was
first confusing, then annoying, and has now reached the Threshold of
Pain.

It started one day when I received an Outlook-created text/HTML combo
message that wouldn't display either the text or HTML portion. After
receiving that message (which long ago has been deleted and purged),
every HTML message now exhibits the same problem. Basically, when I
try to open an HTML immediately after downloading mail:

1. A viewer window opens, but all header fields are blank, the message
area is blank, and there are no tabs at the bottom that would indicate
there are two portions to the message.

2. Pressing Ctl-Shift-K (to show complete header info) has no effect.

3. (This is bizarre) Clicking in the header-field portion of the
viewer window causes the header field titles ("To:", etc.) to scroll
upward, showing the other header field titles. All fields are blank,
and it only scrolls upward.

4. No matter what I do (short of forcing it to be marked as read), the
message stays marked as unread.

5. If I close TB!, reopen it and then try to open the HTML message
before opening any other messages, it will open "normally" (although
it seems to take an inordinate amount of time). It will be marked as
read, and I can view both the text and HTML versions of the message.
(But if I open a straight text message first, I can't open the
text/HTML message.)

6. If I receive HTML messages throughout the day and go through the
scenario of closing TB! and re-opening to open HTML mail, I'll
eventually get an eAccessViolation exception and have to shut down
TB!, or TB! will sometimes just lock up and I have to terminate it
through the Task Manager. This seems to be getting steadily worse, and
I'm finding myself having to reboot at least once a day now.

Again, all this started one day, out of the blue. When I discovered
that by restarting TB! I could read the e-mail, I found the first
problem message had used a background .gif for the HTML, and I was
seeing its file name just before the text of his message (I contacted
the person who sent it, and it appeared normal to him).

I had not installed any new software the day the problem showed up,
nor do I remember upgrading anything. I've shut off my virus detector
(AVG) temporarily, but the problem persists.

I guessed that TB's message base had somehow gotten corrupted, but
wasn't sure what to do. Here's what I've done to date:

1. Uninstalled TB! and re-installed with the copy I had.

2. Downloaded a fresh copy of 1.53d, uninstalled, and re-installed
with the fresh copy.

3. Compressed and purged all folders.

4. Deleted all attachments (they were stored separately), compressed
and purged all folders.

If you're still with me, this is where I'm asking for help. I'm
considering backing up and restoring the message base, but uncertain
whether I should try it.

Anybody have any suggestions?

-Don

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Re: html messages in TB viewer

[Peter Meyns]

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On Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:37:33 -0500GMT (which was 21:37 +0100GMT where I live),
Don Zeigler thought about "html messages in TB viewer" and wrote:

DZ> TB should have an option similar to the one in Pocomail. When viewing an
DZ> html message in Poco, images are turned off by default. However, if you
DZ> so wish you can click on a button to download the missing images --
DZ> useful if the mail is from a source you can trust. This way you don't
DZ> risk anything when the source is someone you don't know, but you can still
DZ> enjoy your weekly CNet newsletter. :-)

Hi Don,

you can enjoy your complete newsletter by double clicking the HTML icon in
the message. It will open in your default browser.
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Re[2]: html messages in TB viewer

[Don Zeigler]

On 12/24/2001, Lars Geiger wrote:

> Sorry, no setting. It's intended behavior, as showing graphics which
> are not embedded into an email poses a security risc. This can be used
> to track the time when you read a certain email, for example. Or many
> other nasty things.

TB should have an option similar to the one in Pocomail. When viewing an
html message in Poco, images are turned off by default. However, if you
so wish you can click on a button to download the missing images --
useful if the mail is from a source you can trust. This way you don't
risk anything when the source is someone you don't know, but you can still
enjoy your weekly CNet newsletter. :-)
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Re: html messages in TB viewer

[Lars Geiger]

Hi JP,
On 24 Dec 2001 at 11:45:16 [GMT -0600], you wrote:

J>   Does anyone know how or where the settings are to show the entire
J>   html message in the Bat's viewer. I get part of the message but
J>   there are question marks where pictures are supposed to be.

Sorry, no setting. It's intended behavior, as showing graphics which are
not embedded into an email poses a security risc. This can be used to
track the time when you read a certain email, for example. Or many other
nasty things.

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Re: html messages in TB viewer

[Dwight A Corrin]

On 24 Dec 2001, 11:45:16 AM, JP wrote:

> Does anyone know how or where the settings are to show the entire
> html message in the Bat's viewer. I get part of the message but
> there are question marks where pictures are supposed to be.

click on the message, and view it in your default browser.

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html messages in TB viewer

[JP]

Hello TBUDL,

  Does anyone know how or where the settings are to show the entire
  html message in the Bat's viewer. I get part of the message but
  there are question marks where pictures are supposed to be.

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Re: HTML messages

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Hello Silviu Cojocaru,

On Friday, October 26 2001 at 10:55 AM PDT, you wrote:

> Nick, as long as the developers provide an option to deactivate
> viewing HTML parts by default and as the HTML editor will be
> included, a way for the user to deactivate this feature,
> introducing HTML capabilities is OK and understandable. A
> lot of users like sending out HTML e-mail, so in order for TB!
> to become appealing to a larger number of people, the developers
> have to put this in their product.

I suppose it boils down to personal preference, but I will never
purposely seek out a Mail Client just because it has the ability to send
out HTML. HTML is for Web pages... HTML E-Mail is an oxymoron. The more
time spent on this 'feature', means less time spent on fixing bugs and
implementation of requested features such as customisable toolbars, GPG
Plugins, OpenPGP/MIME, IMAP, porting TB! to Linux, etc.


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Re: HTML messages

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Hello Melissa Reese,

On Friday, October 26 2001 at 10:26 AM PDT, you wrote:

> I would be interested in just which "...outstanding bugs..." you would
> like to see implemented? ;-)

Ha ha ha! Ok, let me re-phrase my statement:

"when there are outstanding bugs still to be fixed and features yet
 to be implemented."


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Re: HTML messages

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Friday, October 26, 2001 at 7:44:25 PM ,
Nick Andriash wrote about "HTML messages":

> That is one of the main reasons why most of us don't want to
> see HTML in E-Mail and are puzzled as to RITLabs insistence on
> including it. :o(

Nick, as long as the developers provide an option to deactivate
viewing HTML parts by default and as the HTML editor will be
included, a way for the user to deactivate this feature,
introducing HTML capabilities is OK and understandable. A
lot of users like sending out HTML e-mail, so in order for TB!
to become appealing to a larger number of people, the developers
have to put this in their product.

Heck, I don't like the idea of HTML e-mails either, blame
Microsoft for this :)

There is one point you made later on this thread that I totally
agree with, there are bugs that are still unfixed, features half
broken or poorly implemented like the GnuPG plugin, that as I
pointed out several times, becomes a pain when I have to encrypt
an e-mail or when I have to decrypt one. Ah heck, I got tired of
writing to TBBETA about this issue and possible fixes, I just
hope that some day, they will finally be fixed...

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Re: HTML messages

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On Friday, October 26, 2001, at 8:04:43 AM PDT, Nick Andriash wrote:

> My gripe is the amount of time and effort that has been put into the
> HTML'ising of TB! when there are outstanding bugs and features yet
> to be implemented.

Hello Nick,

I would be interested in just which "...outstanding bugs..." you would
like to see implemented? ;-)

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Re[2]: HTML messages

[Sam]

I may have to recant my previous statement.  I think, since changing
the "display HTML Part of Message", that the HTML messages are opening
in the "1" tab and therefore doing away with the medium gray
background with the black type.  I hope this is the way all will come
in.  A thank you much to whoever suggested that; a very simple
solution.

>I'm not a big fan of HTML e-mail and I guess that is why I use
>the-bat.  Someone suggested deselecting the "show HTML automatically",
>which I tried, but I have since received another message and I don't
>see any difference.  It did not have the black print on a medium gray
>background.  Perhaps that person did not use a colored background, as
>someone else indicated.

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Re: HTML messages

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Hello Sam,

On Friday, October 26, 2001, at 07:53:19 AM -0700, you wrote
the following in regards to "HTML messages":

> I'm not a big fan of HTML e-mail and I guess that is why I use
> the-bat. Someone suggested deselecting the "show HTML automatically"

Sam, I have always had that feature de-selected. My gripe is the amount
of time and effort that has been put into the HTML'ising of TB! when
there are outstanding bugs and features yet to be implemented.

> It did not have the black print on a medium gray background. Perhaps
> that person did not use a colored background, as someone else
> indicated.

That is one of the problems with HTML, in that we are at the mercy of
the Sender. Pink backgrounds and purple letters sort of thing. :o(  What
may look nice to someone else, may appear appalling to others, but we
are forced to view the Mail the way *they* like it. On the bright side,
RITLabs have thankfully implemented HTML in a manner that provides for a
level of security not found in OE and Outlook and other such Mailers.


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Re[2]: HTML messages

[Sam]

Hi Nick,

I'm not a big fan of HTML e-mail and I guess that is why I use
the-bat.  Someone suggested deselecting the "show HTML automatically",
which I tried, but I have since received another message and I don't
see any difference.  It did not have the black print on a medium gray
background.  Perhaps that person did not use a colored background, as
someone else indicated.

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> That is one of the main reasons why most of us don't want to see HTML in
> E-Mail and are puzzled as to RITLabs insistence on including it. :o(



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Re: HTML messages

[Nick Andriash]

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Hello Sam,

On Friday, October 26, 2001, at 05:35:06 AM -0700, you wrote
the following in regards to "HTML messages":

> I am wondering if there is a way to change the background color of a
> message received in HTML.  On e-mail lists, when a post is sent in
> HTML, it appears as black print on a medium grey background; very hard
> to read.

That is one of the main reasons why most of us don't want to see HTML in
E-Mail and are puzzled as to RITLabs insistence on including it. :o(


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Re: HTML messages

[Thomas F]

Hello Sam,

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:35:06 -0500 GMT (26/10/2001, 20:35 +0800 GMT),
Sam wrote:

S> I am wondering if there is a way to change the background color of a
S> message received in HTML.

I think the background colour is sent with the message.

S> I can click on the "1" tab at the bottom and see it without the
S> formatting, but is a bit of a bother. Perhaps there is a way to
S> make the "1" tab default?
  
Options / Preferences / General, uncheck [ ] Display HTML automatically

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Re: HTML messages

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Hi Sam,

On 26 October 2001 at 07:35:06 [GMT-0500] (which was 13:35 where I
live) Sam wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:

S> Perhaps there is a way to make the "1" tab default?

Options | Preferences | General | Display HTML part of messages
automatically. Turn it off and that will do you.

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HTML messages

[Sam]

I am wondering if there is a way to change the background color of a
message received in HTML.  On e-mail lists, when a post is sent in
HTML, it appears as black print on a medium grey background; very hard
to read.  I can click on the "1" tab at the bottom and see it without
the formatting, but is a bit of a bother.  Perhaps there is a way to
make the "1" tab default?
  

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Re[2]: Connection Center problem with HTML messages.

[David Stone]

Hello,

Friday, June 15, 2001, 10:29:22 PM, you wrote:


MDP> Hi David,

MDP> On 15 June 2001 at  22:09:17 +0100 (which was 22:09 where I live)
MDP> David Stone wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:



MDP> Although I have seen some "sticking" with the CC, I've found that
MDP> forcing a secondary mail check "kicks" it. Then again, I run to a
MDP> server on the LAN.

I tried that but couldn't get the secondary check to run. But it
probably explains what happens if I switch from using the LAN to a
dial up mode which has the same effect. But when I tried that,
although it worked I ended up with an application error which closed
TheBat!

DS>> I just wonder now that if the pop3 server fails in some way that
DS>> the check is not timed out correctly.

MDP> It does seem that way.

In a way I hope that's so because I can then stop poking about here
making an even bigger mess!


MDP> 
MDP> Have to butt in here and wave a trout on grounds of over-quoting.
MDP> Please try to trim original material to the relevant points.

MDP> Thank you.
MDP> 

Trout accepted. Apologies :)


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Re: Connection Center problem with HTML messages.

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Hi David,

On 15 June 2001 at  22:09:17 +0100 (which was 22:09 where I live)
David Stone wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:

DS> I hope nobody misunderstands me. I'm not complaining about the cc
DS> just reporting what I'm seeing. I like this new version but the cc
DS> is causing me some problems.

Although I have seen some "sticking" with the CC, I've found that
forcing a secondary mail check "kicks" it. Then again, I run to a
server on the LAN.

DS> I just wonder now that if the pop3 server fails in some way that
DS> the check is not timed out correctly.

It does seem that way.


Have to butt in here and wave a trout on grounds of over-quoting.
Please try to trim original material to the relevant points.

Thank you.


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Re[3]: Connection Center problem with HTML messages.

[David Stone]

Hello,

Friday, June 15, 2001, 9:00:57 PM, you wrote:

DS> Hello,

DS> Friday, June 15, 2001, 10:27:45 AM, you wrote:

>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Thursday, June 14, 2001, 7:29:57 AM, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm still having some problems with the connection centre.
>>> Neither do the end task or abort buttons work.
>>> 
>>> But what I have found is
>>> 
>>> Messages that are stuck when viewed show a blank page (HTML is set to
>>> display but problem occurs if it's set to off!) but I can use the view
>>> source option to see the content..
>>> 
>>> Normally I connect via cable modem but if I switch from LAN to dial up
>>> in Network Administration then the next time some accounts are due for
>>> checking the one's that are 'stuck' in the cc are re accessed and are
>>> downloaded okay. However I then get an application error:-
>>> 
>>> Exception EAccessViolation 36F426F0 in module THEBAT.EXE
>>> Read of Address 37343934
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know if any IE files/modules are accessed by TheBat! as
>>> I'm wondering if this problem is being caused by a damaged IE file.

fvnc>> I have almost the same problems as you descrive and things started to go wrong 
since the connection centre was introduced in the Bat. 
fvnc>> The problems still exist in the latest beta versions and also in the official 
relase 1.53BIS. For this reason I decided to go back to version 1.51.

fvnc>> My operating system is Windows ME!

fvnc>> Regards,
fvnc>> Fred van Veen
fvnc>> The Netherlands


DS> Having a couple of problems with IE5.5 involving the favorites links
DS> and the non display of .png graphics I decided to revert back to IE
DS> ver 5. I noticed that this solved the favorites problem and I was also
DS> able to view the wayward HTML messages that were earlier showing as a
DS> blank page.

DS> I then went and reloaded the Java VM and also re-installed  IE 5.5 and
DS> ran the Internet Repair option. This has fixed my IE problem and
DS> without wanting to celebrate too soon TheBat! connection centre also
DS> appears to be functioning properly. At least it's been running for 12
DS> hours now and has downloaded various HTML content messages from the
DS> previous 'problem accounts' (the accounts from problem accounts and
DS> functioning accounts were all on the same server so I guessed it was
DS> not a server thing). I'm hoping that there is a component/module of
DS> IE that is used by TheBat! So perhaps it will be okay now.

DS> The other alternative I'd considered was that it was a particular HTML
DS> tag in a message that was causing a problem and that perhaps so far I
DS> haven't received an HTML with that tag in it!!! I hope I'm wrong
DS> though.






Oh well spoke too soon. :(

The connection centre connected to a totally different account to any
of the one's I've had recent problems with.

The log window shows:-

receiving mail messages
connected to POP3 server

and was just sitting there. The account wasn't being checked at later
times although other accounts were checked okay.I left it for a
considerable time

The good news is that when I clicked on cancel task it did just that
and a manual 'get new mail' ran okay,and there was not in fact any
mail on the account waiting for collection.

I hope nobody misunderstands me. I'm not complaining about the cc just
reporting what I'm seeing. I like this new version but the cc is
causing me some problems.

I just wonder now that if the pop3 server fails in some way that the check
is not timed out correctly.

With versions prior to 1.52 TheBat would do just that with a 'Ping' :)



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Re[2]: Connection Center problem with HTML messages.

[David Stone]

Hello,

Friday, June 15, 2001, 10:27:45 AM, you wrote:

>> Hello,
>> 
>> Thursday, June 14, 2001, 7:29:57 AM, you wrote:
>> 
>> I'm still having some problems with the connection centre.
>> Neither do the end task or abort buttons work.
>> 
>> But what I have found is
>> 
>> Messages that are stuck when viewed show a blank page (HTML is set to
>> display but problem occurs if it's set to off!) but I can use the view
>> source option to see the content..
>> 
>> Normally I connect via cable modem but if I switch from LAN to dial up
>> in Network Administration then the next time some accounts are due for
>> checking the one's that are 'stuck' in the cc are re accessed and are
>> downloaded okay. However I then get an application error:-
>> 
>> Exception EAccessViolation 36F426F0 in module THEBAT.EXE
>> Read of Address 37343934
>> 
>> Does anyone know if any IE files/modules are accessed by TheBat! as
>> I'm wondering if this problem is being caused by a damaged IE file.

fvnc> I have almost the same problems as you descrive and things started to go wrong 
since the connection centre was introduced in the Bat. 
fvnc> The problems still exist in the latest beta versions and also in the official 
relase 1.53BIS. For this reason I decided to go back to version 1.51.

fvnc> My operating system is Windows ME!

fvnc> Regards,
fvnc> Fred van Veen
fvnc> The Netherlands


Having a couple of problems with IE5.5 involving the favorites links
and the non display of .png graphics I decided to revert back to IE
ver 5. I noticed that this solved the favorites problem and I was also
able to view the wayward HTML messages that were earlier showing as a
blank page.

I then went and reloaded the Java VM and also re-installed  IE 5.5 and
ran the Internet Repair option. This has fixed my IE problem and
without wanting to celebrate too soon TheBat! connection centre also
appears to be functioning properly. At least it's been running for 12
hours now and has downloaded various HTML content messages from the
previous 'problem accounts' (the accounts from problem accounts and
functioning accounts were all on the same server so I guessed it was
not a server thing). I'm hoping that there is a component/module of
IE that is used by TheBat! So perhaps it will be okay now.

The other alternative I'd considered was that it was a particular HTML
tag in a message that was causing a problem and that perhaps so far I
haven't received an HTML with that tag in it!!! I hope I'm wrong
though.




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Re: Connection Center problem with HTML messages.

[fred]

> Hello,
> 
> Thursday, June 14, 2001, 7:29:57 AM, you wrote:
> 
> I'm still having some problems with the connection centre.
> Neither do the end task or abort buttons work.
> 
> But what I have found is
> 
> Messages that are stuck when viewed show a blank page (HTML is set to
> display but problem occurs if it's set to off!) but I can use the view
> source option to see the content..
> 
> Normally I connect via cable modem but if I switch from LAN to dial up
> in Network Administration then the next time some accounts are due for
> checking the one's that are 'stuck' in the cc are re accessed and are
> downloaded okay. However I then get an application error:-
> 
> Exception EAccessViolation 36F426F0 in module THEBAT.EXE
> Read of Address 37343934
> 
> Does anyone know if any IE files/modules are accessed by TheBat! as
> I'm wondering if this problem is being caused by a damaged IE file.

I have almost the same problems as you descrive and things started to go wrong since 
the connection centre was introduced in the Bat. 
The problems still exist in the latest beta versions and also in the official relase 
1.53BIS. For this reason I decided to go back to version 1.51.

My operating system is Windows ME!

Regards,
Fred van Veen
The Netherlands

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Re: Connection Center problem with HTML messages.

[David Stone]

Hello,

Thursday, June 14, 2001, 7:29:57 AM, you wrote:

DS> Hello,

DS> I had a problem when I installed 1.52x with the connection center. I
DS> noticed that with some accounts the cc would come up,download the
DS> message and the cc would stay connected with the status bar fully
DS> 'lit'.

DS> I could not close the cc or hence TheBat! other than by using
DS> ctl-alt-del and ending the task. I noticed that any message that had
DS> downloaded this way would not show as read (after 1 sec with my option
DS> set) and double clicking would open an empty window even though the
DS> size of the message indicated some text in it. They were only a small
DS> size and the download size had not been reached.

I'm still having some problems with the connection centre. The problem
occurs when I try to download a message with an HTML content. The
particular account shows in the cc as 100% progress but there is no
disconnection from the POP3 account (in TheBat!). The connection
centre shows connect times in the hours.

Neither do the end task or abort buttons work.

But what I have found is

Messages that are stuck when viewed show a blank page (HTML is set to
display but problem occurs if it's set to off!) but I can use the view
source option to see the content,which is how I know they are HTML
content messages. And of course whilst the cc shows as connected
TheBat! cannot be closed.


Normally I connect via cable modem but if I switch from LAN to dial up
in Network Administration then the next time some accounts are due for
checking the one's that are 'stuck' in the cc are re accessed and are
downloaded okay. However I then get an application error:-

Exception EAccessViolation 36F426F0 in module THEBAT.EXE
Read of Address 37343934

Does anyone know if any IE files/modules are accessed by TheBat! as
I'm wondering if this problem is being caused by a damaged IE file.



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[David Stone]

Hello,

I had a problem when I installed 1.52x with the connection center. I
noticed that with some accounts the cc would come up,download the
message and the cc would stay connected with the status bar fully
'lit'.

I could not close the cc or hence TheBat! other than by using
ctl-alt-del and ending the task. I noticed that any message that had
downloaded this way would not show as read (after 1 sec with my option
set) and double clicking would open an empty window even though the
size of the message indicated some text in it. They were only a small
size and the download size had not been reached.

So I returned to ver 1.51 whereupon the messages would download fully.

When ver 1.53 was installed it ran for 5 or 10 minutes and but then
exhibited the same problems together with a couple of 'access
violation 00690650 Read of address 212635E' messages.
I even recreated a new account with a new name but the same problem
occurred.

So I returned to ver 1.51 and downloaded those errant messages. This
time I looked at the messages and noticed they were HTML messages.
Under ver 1.51 I have display HTML turned off but can obviously view
an HTML message by clicking on the tab in the message pane.

I think something changed with HTML messages from ver 1.51
and I need to do something different. (It *has* to be me!!! :)  )

Any suggestions anyone please.



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Re: Problems reading HTML messages

[Brian Clark]

Hi Santiago,

@ 3:55:32 PM on 4/14/2001, Santiago Cimadevilla wrote:

...
SC> So I guess it's something with those imported messages only. Maybe
SC> Eudora did something strange. But in any case, it doesn't seem to
SC> happen with new messages, so it won't be a problem.

I had a feeling this had something to do with Eudora. I'm a former
Eudora user, myself. Frankly, I'd never look back.

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