Ignore thread feature (was: Anybody else notice?)

[John De Hoog]

Hello, Gothamites,

Nick Rout wrote...

NR> can we stop this thread now please? there seems to be alot of off topic 
NR> stuff on this list .

   Yes, and if we were using Forte Agent or Datula we could mark the
   thread as Ignore and all subsequent messages in this thread would
   automatically be marked as read. Given that digressive or
   uninteresting threads are an inevitable part of any mailing list,
   don't you think this would be a good feature to add to The Bat! as
   well? It's much easier than trying to get everybody to change their
   behavior. That has never worked and will never work.
   

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Re: Ignore thread feature (was: Anybody else notice?)

[Allie Martin]

On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:37:48 +0900, John De Hoog wrote:

>Yes, and if we were using Forte Agent or Datula we could mark the
>thread as Ignore and all subsequent messages in this thread would
>automatically be marked as read. Given that digressive or
>uninteresting threads are an inevitable part of any mailing list,
>don't you think this would be a good feature to add to The Bat! as
>well? It's much easier than trying to get everybody to change their
>behavior. That has never worked and will never work.
   
Exactly!!! That's why Nick's rant is so futile. It's like
cursing the sun for being hot and demanding that it stop doing so
(sounds ridiculous but I can't think of a better analogy). Get a
sunscreen .. In the same way I delete threads and messages and
this is why newsreaders are designed the way that they are. :))

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Re: Ignore thread feature (was: Anybody else notice?)

[Paula Ford]

On Thursday, February 03, 2000, Allie Martin wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:37:48 +0900, John De Hoog wrote:

>> Yes, and if we were using Forte Agent or Datula we could mark the
>> thread as Ignore ... Given that digressive or uninteresting threads
>> are an inevitable part of any mailing list, don't you think this
>> would be a good feature to add to The Bat! as well? It's much easier
>> than trying to get everybody to change their behavior. That has never
>> worked and will never work.
   
> Exactly!!! That's why Nick's rant is so futile.

Even if we could mark threads Ignore, it would still be nice not to have
to download so many messages, most of which have little or nothing to do
with the list purposes (mea culpa, too, sometimes). I agree that you
can't stop the tendency to digress, but a reminder once in awhile helps
to curb the tendency and keep it from getting totally out of control.

> It's like cursing the sun for being hot and demanding that it stop
> doing so (sounds ridiculous but I can't think of a better analogy).
> Get a sunscreen .. In the same way I delete threads and messages
> and this is why newsreaders are designed the way that they are. :))

Yes, but TB is not a news reader. You want it to act like a news reader,
but do you know another mailer that does that does also have news
reading capabilities? I'm leery of adding these news-reader-like
features before TB does and does well what a mailer should.

In the meantime, anyone can filter to Trash any thread by subject.

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Re: Ignore thread feature (was: Anybody else notice?)

[John De Hoog]

Hello, inhabitants of Gotham,

Paula Ford wrote...

PF> TB is not a news reader. You want it to act like a news reader,
PF> but do you know another mailer that does that does also have news
PF> reading capabilities? I'm leery of adding these news-reader-like
PF> features before TB does and does well what a mailer should.

Ah, but mailing lists are so much like news groups that some news
reader-like features would be welcome sometimes in a mailer.

PF> In the meantime, anyone can filter to Trash any thread by subject.

That's SO much more difficult than a single-key operation for
ignoring a thread. Having to create a subject filter for each
wandering thread is overkill, wrong tool for job, you get the
picture.

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Re: Ignore thread feature (was: Anybody else notice?)

[Allie Martin]

On Thu, 3 Feb 2000 20:19:01 -0500, Paula Ford wrote:

> Even if we could mark threads Ignore, it would still be nice not to
> have to download so many messages, most of which have little or
> nothing to do with the list purposes (mea culpa, too, sometimes).

That's the weakness of mailing lists. :(

>  I agree that you can't stop the tendency to digress, but a reminder
> once in awhile helps to curb the tendency and keep it from getting
> totally out of control.

I guess. ;-/

> Yes, but TB is not a news reader. You want it to act like a news
> reader, but do you know another mailer that does that does also have
> news reading capabilities? I'm leery of adding these
> news-reader-like features before TB does and does well what a mailer
> should.

Don't get me wrong. I wasn't implying that TB! should be given
newsreading functionality. I was just saying that newsreaders are very
well developed in streamlining functionality where news posts are
concerned for the simple reason that almost no one will be interested
in everything that's posted to a group and yet they can't simply
demand that only what they're interested in should be posted.  I
simply never work myself up about it actually. The delete key is my
friend, that's all.

> In the meantime, anyone can filter to Trash any thread by subject.

Exactly !!!

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Re: Ignore thread feature (was: Anybody else notice?)

[Paula Ford]

Speaking of nice features of news readers that maybe would be nice to
have in mailer - my news reader collapses quoted text when I press "Q".
That's something I really like! :)

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Re: Ignore thread feature (was: Anybody else notice?)

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Hello John De Hoog,
On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:37:48 +0900 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, February 04, 2000, 6:37:48 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
John De Hoog wrote:


> Hello, Gothamites,

> Nick Rout wrote...

NR>> can we stop this thread now please? there seems to be alot of off topic 
NR>> stuff on this list .

>Yes, and if we were using Forte Agent or Datula we could mark the
>thread as Ignore and all subsequent messages in this thread would
>automatically be marked as read. Given that digressive or
>uninteresting threads are an inevitable part of any mailing list,
>don't you think this would be a good feature to add to The Bat! as
>well? It's much easier than trying to get everybody to change their
>behavior. That has never worked and will never work.
   
I support that idea, is it in v2


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Re: Ignore thread feature (was: Anybody else notice?)

[Tom Plunket]

JDH>>> Yes, and if we were using Forte Agent or Datula we could mark the
JDH>>> thread as Ignore ... Given that digressive or uninteresting threads
JDH>>> are an inevitable part of any mailing list, don't you think this
JDH>>> would be a good feature to add to The Bat! as well?

PF> Even if we could mark threads Ignore, it would still be nice not to have
PF> to download so many messages, most of which have little or nothing to do
PF> with the list purposes...

I suppose you could make kill filters for the threads and just delete
them from the mail server rather than downloading them, no?

>> It's like cursing the sun for being hot and demanding that it stop
>> doing so (sounds ridiculous but I can't think of a better analogy).
>> Get a sunscreen .. In the same way I delete threads and messages
>> and this is why newsreaders are designed the way that they are. :))

PF> Yes, but TB is not a news reader. You want it to act like a news reader,
PF> but do you know another mailer that does that does also have news
PF> reading capabilities? I'm leery of adding these news-reader-like
PF> features before TB does and does well what a mailer should.

PF> In the meantime, anyone can filter to Trash any thread by subject.

Filtering to the trash still requires download time.  Unfortunately I
have yet to find TB!'s filtering capability completely understandable.
Agent was simple enough to set up filters, and you gave filters
priorities and it would do its work, and its work wasn't restricted to
the inbox or outbox.  In TB!, whatever I try, it seems to either leave
the messages on the server not downloaded, or it downloads them,
filters them into the TB! folder, and then doesn't touch them again.

Also, in the end, what I *want* is not to be able to create an
elaborate filter with rules and sitting in my filter list for the rest
of eternity, I want to mark this ONE thread "read" automatically, and
when the thread dies and goes away, the "filter" would go with it.

In other words, I may want to ignore "USE CTRL-F4 PEOPLE" for now, but
in the future, if it came up again, it would be nice to have the
choice at that time.

SO, I want to mark read based on a references chain, not on a subject,
not on a sender.  Somehow marking a thread is the only way I can
figure that would work.


-tom!

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