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On Monday, March 3, 2003, 12:24:59 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP Because the *nix propeller heads that think they own the Internet MDP don't think that any serious mail server user should hide behind a MDP dial-up connection. Really? Then how do they think those of us in areas where the *only* option is dial-up are supposed to work?! Despite living in an urban area less than ten miles from the largest city in Northern Ireland, we have no cable anything, no broadband access, not even a choice of telephone providers without plugging the phone into a re-routing box. Dial-up is the only choice for anyone in this area ( in many others). -- Deborah Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, March 02, 2003, Marck D Pearlstone wrote... MDP FYI - Osiris also BLs Dial-up users like me Z Why do they do that? Because the *nix propeller heads that think they own the Internet don't think that any serious mail server user should hide behind a dial-up connection. One such runs monkeys.com, a major open relay blacklist, and goes by the name of Ron Guilmette. I got a major roasting from him because of my dial-up IP and sub-hosted domain status. This is a slightly unusual view... but I have noticed monkeys.com does blacklist a lot of addresses that it shouldn't. It is often the case that people like the mention will blacklist whole dialup blocks because of constant spam attacks from those blocks. Often the do a blanket mask on that address too, catching a lot of innocent people. This usually means that: a) you're unlikely to be able to run your own mail server b) you're not likely to be able to connect directly with the end smtp server I do think that sometimes it is necessary to block off a whole bunch of addresses, but other times, it is unjust and the people doing the blocking really don't research what they're doing, for example I found the other day that earthlink.net (a fairly large ISP over in the US) had decided to block my line providers whole block, dial up, and static connections. I think they used monkeys.com too. I was removed shortly after I complained about that though. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPmN5giuD6BT4/R9zEQJIFACgmb9qpyE6/VmhE2N1HYek4OWKnZsAnA95 A5ANe5TyPNORdNYwSmC9Yv9y =v5tr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Sunday, March 2, 2003, 1:22:55 PM, Task Control wrote: TC Estimados seguidores del tbudl arroba thebat.dutaint.com: TC En relación a lo que ztrader en su momento posteó: z I've included the filter analysis part so you can see why. TC I analzie this but o do not understand why. z SPAM: SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 (0.8 points) BODY: Spam phrases score is 00 to 01 (low) z SPAM: RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM (0.4 points) RBL: Received via z SPAM: RCVD_IN_RFCI (2.3 points) RBL: Received via a z relay in ipwhois.rfc-ignorant.org z SPAM: RCVD_IN_SBL(3.2 points) RBL: Received via z SBLed relay, see http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/ TC The route that follow the mail? can i change this? i think not. It seems as though most of the 'score' is from your routing. Without the routing, your email would be a rather low score and would get through easily. You might ask your ISP why they are using a confirmed spammer route, and forward the above headers to them to help them check it out. ztrader Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi ztrader, @2-Mar-2003, 14:38 -0800 (22:38 UK time) ztrader [Z] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: TC The route that follow the mail? can i change this? i think not. Z It seems as though most of the 'score' is from your routing. Without Z the routing, your email would be a rather low score and would get Z through easily. You might ask your ISP why they are using a confirmed Z spammer route, and forward the above headers to them to help them Z check it out. FYI - Osiris also BLs Dial-up users like me so this message will get a positive score from them too. It's a *bad* test! - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+You7OeQkq5KdzaARAhMdAKCE3rmIysvRguik/6joqjFLTSGJJwCguRie JzksA9YiRc2UPqv8j0v1fLI= =m7wA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: plugin for the bat!:vampire
On Sunday, March 2, 2003, 2:54:50 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP FYI - Osiris also BLs Dial-up users like me Why do they do that? MDP so this message will MDP get a positive score from them too. It's a *bad* test! The score for your message was only 0.7, with 5.0 as the trigger - reasonably low. It would seem as though there were enough other factors to compensate for the Osiris factor. Some factors are negative, and subtract from an otherwise high score from routing. There was a rather big discussion about including Osiris, etc in the scoring. Many seemed to be innocent users who had an ISP that was not good about curtailing spam. Most people thought it would, overall, be a good idea to keep it, and so I left the usual BL suspects in. This was in part because I wanted a 'tight' scoring, but it seems to work very well even with these included. ztrader Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi ztrader, @2-Mar-2003, 16:01 -0800 (00:01 UK time) ztrader [Z] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MDP FYI - Osiris also BLs Dial-up users like me Z Why do they do that? Because the *nix propeller heads that think they own the Internet don't think that any serious mail server user should hide behind a dial-up connection. One such runs monkeys.com, a major open relay blacklist, and goes by the name of Ron Guilmette. I got a major roasting from him because of my dial-up IP and sub-hosted domain status. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+YqDdOeQkq5KdzaARAkcRAKCbxa5F7sa9nuBl7lIy9FicbUxHiQCbBiW4 qPagMIokh1rsbY/8OqyeYU8= =hcEz -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Marck- ROTFL. Methinks ignorance and arrogance are two major prerequisites for attaining ISPdom. I think this subject line is getting a little out of hand, too... -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/4 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: plugin for the bat!:vampire
On Sunday, March 2, 2003, 4:24:59 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP Because the *nix propeller heads that think they own the Internet MDP don't think that any serious mail server user should hide behind MDP a dial-up connection. I can believe that. An unfortunately large number of *nix people are not known for having open minds. :- ztrader Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
