Re: Mails getting lost?

[Thomas F]

Hello Dierk,

On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:38:06 +0200 GMT (13/07/2001, 00:38 +0800 GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

DH> But they don't "kill" mails, they get them, copy them and send them on
DH> (Technically it is a bit more complicated, but the point is: Mails may
DH> get delayed for a few secs, but not lost.).

Just a few seconds... I didn't know how it works. I thought they read
the mails before they are let through.

DH> BTW, officially the German Echelon facility in Pullach (should ring a
DH> bell for the German users!) is in the process of being closed down.

Maybe they're just moving? Anyway, Europe is making its own version:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/20239.html

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Re: Mails getting lost?

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Thomas!

On Thursday, July 12, 2001 at 5:17:34 PM you wrote:

> Maybe it has to do with the word RIT having become a keyword at
> Echelon?

But they don't "kill" mails, they get them, copy them and send them on
(Technically it is a bit more complicated, but the point is: Mails may
get delayed for a few secs, but not lost.).

BTW, officially the German Echelon facility in Pullach (should ring a
bell for the German users!) is in the process of being closed down.



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Re: Mails getting lost?

[Thomas F]

Hello Marck,

On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:47:49 +0100 GMT (11/07/2001, 17:47 +0800 GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MDP> There *are* messages going missing outbound - or sometimes they're
MDP> having chunks removed or repeated in the headers. This seems to be an
MDP> interaction between the list traffic and postfix/sendmail relay
MDP> servers in the outbound route.

Maybe it has to do with the word RIT having become a keyword at
Echelon?

see: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/19347.html

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Re: Mails getting lost?

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hi All,

On  Wed,  11  Jul  2001  at 12:54:18 GMT +0100 (which was 11/07/2001
18:54  GMT  +0700 my Local Time) "Marck D Pearlstone"=[MDP] wrote to
Syafril Hermansyah on TBUDL :

[ ... ]

> No problem (now).

Hope  so,  my  ISP  is  one  of  COM Provider of Indonesia's ISP, it
continuos upgrade his bandwith and routing table. I notice upgrading
the  bandwith and adding more routing (to other town/city) sometimes
make Routing Problem.

> Any word on the problem of chewed up message headers and missing
> *outbound* messages? Many users are writing to me off-list asking why
> mails are not coming through or sometimes coming through corrupted -
> with headers repeated in the body of the message.

There are 2 reason :
1. My  Antivirus which use Winsock Socket Layer sometimes truncated
   the  header  (I  have remove it last Saturday, after I found the
   problem).

2. I am using Postfix as main Relayer of this list. I found that for
   certain   case (i.e if the subject going long or in Digest Format
   with  long  subject) PostFix  truncate  the header, so the header
   comes to the body of message.

   I  have  ask my friend who knows much better Postfix than me, but
   we  can  not  found the solution yet (I have posting this kind of
   problem  on  MDaemon Beta List too, but Arvel not have the answer
   in short).

   Inotice   this  problem  only  arise  if  I was using PostFix
   or  SendMail  or  Recipient use PostFix or SendMail. I prepare to
   change Postfixto   Exim  (I am sure Qmail not making such
   problem,  because I have test it, but for other reason I will not
   implement Qmail) in short. 

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Re: Mails getting lost?

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Syafril,

On Wednesday, July 11, 2001 at 4:14:09 PM you wrote (at least in part):

SH> Here some :
SH> -  My   Company  provide  Mail  Hosting Services : DomainPOP, ETRN,
SH>ATRN, MX Backup and Mail Forwading. Especially for ETRN and ATRN,
SH>I  don't  know  how setting it up on Qmail, please tell me if you
SH>know.

ETRN is not know to me to be supported by qmail :-(
There's something similar called 'serialmail' but it's not equal and is not
called via a SMTP-Session :-(

SH> -  Qmailusing   Multiple  Thread  while  delivering mail, every
SH>messages  will generate own session/connection; this making Qmail
SH>very  fast  but consume the bandwith. I prefer to use single copy
SH>with  Multiple Rcpt-To if possible.

That's a good point ... there's also no workaround known to me :-(

As said: I was just interested, never meant qmail is perfect :-)
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Re: Mails getting lost?

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hi All,

On  Wed,  11  Jul  2001  at 14:34:57 GMT +0200 (which was 11/07/2001
19:34  GMT  +0700  my  Local Time) "Peter Palmreuther"=[PP] wrote to
Syafril Hermansyah on TBUDL :

SH>> (I  am  sure Qmail not making such problem, because I have test
SH>> it, but for other reason I will not implement Qmail)

> *LoL* ... Me too never heard Qmail having such problems :-)
> Are you able and willing to tell what reasons this are?
> I'm interested because there are really _few_ things I miss at Qmail.

Here some :
-  My   Company  provide  Mail  Hosting Services : DomainPOP, ETRN,
   ATRN, MX Backup and Mail Forwading. Especially for ETRN and ATRN,
   I  don't  know  how setting it up on Qmail, please tell me if you
   know.

-  Qmailusing   Multiple  Thread  while  delivering mail, every
   messages  will generate own session/connection; this making Qmail
   very  fast  but consume the bandwith. I prefer to use single copy
   with  Multiple Rcpt-To if possible. 

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Re: Mails getting lost?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Syafril,

On 11 July 2001 at  18:39:57 +0700 (which was 12:39 where I live)
Syafril Hermansyah wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these
points:

>> But  I  believe  it's more the first one that deferred the sending
>> for whatever reasons :-(

SH> You  right.

SH> Since   last   Monday   afternoon   connection  from  this  List  to
SH> corp1.cbn.net.id  (one  of the Relayer of this list if after first 8
SH> attempt  direct  delivery  failed)  getting problem, just fixed this
SH> afternoon.

SH> Sorry for inconveniences.

No problem (now).

Any word on the problem of chewed up message headers and missing
*outbound* messages? Many users are writing to me off-list asking why
mails are not coming through or sometimes coming through corrupted -
with headers repeated in the body of the message.

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Re: Mails getting lost?

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hi All,

On  Wed,  11  Jul  2001  at 09:19:05 GMT +0200 (which was 11/07/2001
14:19  GMT  +0700  my  Local Time) "Peter Palmreuther"=[PP] wrote to
Dierk Haasis on TBUDL :

DH>>   Do we lose messages on the way regularly now, or is it only the
DH>>   archive?

The archive always lag around 1-2 days.

> I don't think it's only the archive. On TBTECH I received a mail this morning
> but it was sent on July, 9th high noon.
> So something _is_ hanging on the long way of a mail.
> I think it's either mailserver:

> corp1.cbn.net.id [202.158.3.24]

> or

> dutaint.com [203.130.233.4]

> But  I  believe  it's more the first one that deferred the sending
> for whatever reasons :-(

You  right.
Since   last   Monday   afternoon   connection  from  this  List  to
corp1.cbn.net.id  (one  of the Relayer of this list if after first 8
attempt  direct  delivery  failed)  getting problem, just fixed this
afternoon.

Sorry for inconveniences.


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Re: Mails getting lost?

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Marck!

On Wednesday, July 11, 2001 at 11:47:49 AM you wrote:

> There *are* messages going missing outbound - or sometimes they're
> having chunks removed or repeated in the headers. This seems to be an
> interaction between the list traffic and postfix/sendmail relay
> servers in the outbound route.

I just asked because - as you may remember - it seems to me that in
the past few weeks the problem of lost mails, much delayed messages,
and such has been increasing (dramatically?).


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Re[2]: Mails getting lost?

[David Elliott]

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Hello Marck

On 11 July 2001 at 10:47:49 +0100 (which was 10:47 where I live) Marck D
Pearlstone graced us with these comments

> There *are* messages going missing outbound - or sometimes they're having
> chunks removed or repeated in the headers. This seems to be an
> interaction between the list traffic and postfix/sendmail relay servers
> in the outbound route.

Just for info I collect my mail from sendmail.

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Re: Mails getting lost?

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Hi Peter,

On 11 July 2001 at  09:19:05 +0200 (which was 08:19 where I live)
Peter Palmreuther wrote to Dierk Haasis on TBUDL and made these
points:

PP> corp1.cbn.net.id [202.158.3.24]

PP> or

PP> dutaint.com [203.130.233.4]

PP> But I believe it's more the first one that deferred the sending
PP> for whatever reasons :-(

It was - I've already read those headers myself.

There *are* messages going missing outbound - or sometimes they're
having chunks removed or repeated in the headers. This seems to be an
interaction between the list traffic and postfix/sendmail relay
servers in the outbound route.

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Re: Mails getting lost?

[Roland Burger]

Hi Dierk,

on Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:11:27 +0200 GMT (which was 11.07.2001, 09:01
+0100 GMT where I live) Dierk Haasis wrote:


>   Yesterday I posted a message concerning attachment troubles with
>   TB!. When I just checked with the archives I couldn't find it, the
>   last message there was from the 9th.

>   Do we lose messages on the way regularly now, or is it only the
>   archive?

I think that is a problem of Yahoo! Yesterday and today I didn't
receive mails from two German TB lists (beginner and ot)!

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Re: Mails getting lost?

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Hail Dierk

On 11 July 2001 at 09:01:23 +0200 (which was 08:01 where I live) Dierk
Haasis might have written

DH> Yesterday I posted a message concerning attachment troubles with TB!.
DH> When I just checked with the archives I couldn't find it, the last
DH> message there was from the 9th.

DH> Do we lose messages on the way regularly now, or is it only the
DH> archive?

I have noticed that the archive have been a bit out of date. I have been
keeping an eye on them because I have been missing some list traffic.

I have not been receiving all the email posted to this list for a few days.
To help sort it out I have subed on with a different email address. This
email is at the same ISP but on a different mailserver.

I don't know about any one else but yesterday between 11:00 and 16:00
(GMT+1) I received 5 email's to one account one of which had some of the
list headers in the body. On my other other account I received 7 email's

So out of 7 email's I received 4 good ones (57% good).

I have notified Marck about this in a few exchanges and in his last reply
(yesterday) he said.

MP> It's pretty poor actually. I'm going to write to Syafril this evening
MP> and see if there's anything we can do.

Is any one else experiencing the same ?

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Re: Mails getting lost?

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Dierk,

On Wednesday, July 11, 2001 at 9:01:23 AM you wrote:

DH>   Do we lose messages on the way regularly now, or is it only the
DH>   archive?

I don't think it's only the archive. On TBTECH I received a mail this morning
but it was sent on July, 9th high noon.
So something _is_ hanging on the long way of a mail.
I think it's either mailserver:

corp1.cbn.net.id [202.158.3.24]

or

dutaint.com [203.130.233.4]

But I believe it's more the first one that deferred the sending for whatever
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Mails getting lost?

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello TBUDL Members!

  Yesterday I posted a message concerning attachment troubles with
  TB!. When I just checked with the archives I couldn't find it, the
  last message there was from the 9th.

  Do we lose messages on the way regularly now, or is it only the
  archive?


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