Re: OT: Re: Anonymous emails?
Hello Alexander, On Mon, 23 May 2005 18:59:13 +0200 GMT (23/05/2005, 23:59 +0700 GMT), Alexander S. Kunz wrote: >> Generally true, as long as you live in a democracy. ASK> Are you so sure about that... ? Yes. Now there is the question whether there are any democracies around... (Wasn't this thread moved to TBOT?) -- Cheers, Thomas. "T-bones 85 cents. With meat $5.95." Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Re: Anonymous emails?
Hallo Vili, On Mon, 23 May 2005 13:39:28 +0200GMT (23-5-2005, 13:39 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TBS> Dick is living, I guess, in the Netherlands. That should be considered TBS> democracy. Don't know that for sure. I've heard things about a referendum, but the final vote of Parliament is known already. -- Groetjes, Roelof Evolution: God's way of issuing updates. The Bat! 3.5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 2 pop3 accounts, server on LAN pgp4w8hII69LR.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Re: Anonymous emails?
Hello Thomas Fernandez & everyone else, on 23-Mai-2005 at 06:01 you (Thomas Fernandez) wrote: V>> You should learn to live your life that you should be able to face V>> yourself, whatever you do, or whatever mistakes you are doing during V>> your life. > Generally true, as long as you live in a democracy. Are you so sure about that... ? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) When I sell liquor, its called bootlegging; when my patrons serve it on Lake Shore Drive, its called hospitality. -- Al Capone Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: OT: Re: Anonymous emails?
Hello Thomas, TF> I have nothing to hide, but that's only because I live in a TF> democracy. In another country, "dissidents" might have something TF> to hide even though this is nothing bad in an ehtical sense - it's TF> just against the powers that run the country, which we presume are TF> not benevolent. Dick is living, I guess, in the Netherlands. That should be considered democracy. Ok, you are true, maybe there can be people out there, who needs secrecy. But I guess, in this case it is only a waste of bandwith, in general, waste of energy to hide visited websites that the user is not proud of. Ok, it is so OT, I stop it. Sorry, I wasted BW for it, too... -- Vili Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Re: Anonymous emails?
Hello Vili, On Mon, 23 May 2005 02:58:33 +0200 GMT (23/05/2005, 07:58 +0700 GMT), Vili wrote: DH>> the USA. By doing this, I can surf totally anonymously, which DH>> IMHO, everybody is entitled to (and I even think should always DH>> do). V> No, just the paranoids have to do it. I have nothing to hide. I have nothing to hide, but that's only because I live in a democracy. In another country, "dissidents" might have something to hide even though this is nothing bad in an ehtical sense - it's just against the powers that run the country, which we presume are not benevolent. V> You should learn to live your life that you should be able to face V> yourself, whatever you do, or whatever mistakes you are doing during V> your life. Generally true, as long as you live in a democracy. -- Cheers, Thomas. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: OT: Re: Anonymous emails?
DH> the USA. By doing this, I can surf totally anonymously, which DH> IMHO, everybody is entitled to (and I even think should always DH> do). No, just the paranoids have to do it. I have nothing to hide. You should learn to live your life that you should be able to face yourself, whatever you do, or whatever mistakes you are doing during your life. -- Vili Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Re: Anonymous emails?
Hello Leif, On 22 May 2005 at 14:21:37 GMT -0600 (which was 22:21:37 where I live), Leif Gregory wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of "OT: Re: Anonymous emails?": > Hi Dick, > On Sun, 22 May 2005, at 16:50:58 [GMT +0200] (which was 8:50 AM where > I live) you wrote: > If I'm browsing the DH>> web, I'm using a tunnel (proxy server 127.0.0.1:8080) that totally DH>> hides my identify (IP address) and that keeps no logs of what I'm DH>> doing, where I've been, etc. > I'm confused... 127.0.0.1 is your local machine. Which by the way is a > non-routable address. So, your local machine still has to connect to > the internet somewhere (ADSL / cable modem / dial-up) which means you > are assigned an IP address by your ISP. Since you have to authenticate > to your ISP they have records of which IP was assigned to you and what > time / date. If you are not using an anonymizer service beyond that > then every website you go to has the IP address assigned to you by > your ISP. > I'm not seeing where you're anonymous or hiding you IP. Yes, the proxy address I've specified in my webbrowser is 127.0.0.1 as I'm using a secured and encrypted tunnel to an external server which is sometimes in Germany, The Netherlands or the USA. By doing this, I can surf totally anonymously, which IMHO, everybody is entitled to (and I even think should always do). By doing this, my "web behaviour" is even invisible for my ISP as they only see an encrypted tunnel to this external server. Recently I've read some horror stories that ISPs are not very secure with your websurf details..you probably don't know (and maybe you don't even want to know) what they know about you.. Anyway, I also have a totally anonymous e-mail address you can absolutely not figure out where it has been sent from other than the server, but the IP address doesn't mean anything: Received: from mailvault.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gateway.mailvault.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED594D36427 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 22 May 2005 22:18:49 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 19341 invoked from network); 22 May 2005 21:18:49 - Received: from unknown (HELO ssl.mailvault.com) (10.0.2.100) by 10.0.2.100 with SMTP; 22 May 2005 21:18:49 - So, whenever I need to send an anonymous e-mail, I'm going to use this address. Thanks anyway for your time and answering my e-mails. -- Best regards, Dick ___ Cannot open file "D:\Documents and Settings\Dick\Application Data\tagzilla-en.txt" Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Privacy is your right...only if you defend it: http://www.metropipe.net/landing.cgi?id=cloggy Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: Re: Anonymous emails?
Hi Dick, On Sun, 22 May 2005, at 16:50:58 [GMT +0200] (which was 8:50 AM where I live) you wrote: If I'm browsing the DH> web, I'm using a tunnel (proxy server 127.0.0.1:8080) that totally DH> hides my identify (IP address) and that keeps no logs of what I'm DH> doing, where I've been, etc. I'm confused... 127.0.0.1 is your local machine. Which by the way is a non-routable address. So, your local machine still has to connect to the internet somewhere (ADSL / cable modem / dial-up) which means you are assigned an IP address by your ISP. Since you have to authenticate to your ISP they have records of which IP was assigned to you and what time / date. If you are not using an anonymizer service beyond that then every website you go to has the IP address assigned to you by your ISP. I'm not seeing where you're anonymous or hiding you IP. -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: A bad random number generator: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 4.33e+67, 1, 1, 1 Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
