/MAIL command line feature and PGP bug?

[Gerry Doyon]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1


Hello fellow Bat! users,

I don't know if this has already been covered before, but, I
discovered that when I send messages via the command line use of TB!
that TB! doesn't ask for my PGP pass phrase.

Now, I know that you obviously do NOT want to have TB! pause an
outgoing message that you send via the command line.  That would
defeat the purpose.

But, I just wanted to test the possibility that, IF a virus were
written for TB! that tried to create bad e-mail messages from the
command line, would the mandatory PGP "Sign" feature stop the e-mail
from being sent.  I have my pass phrase for signing only cached for
two minutes.

So, is this a bug or not?

Thanks!

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Re: SOT: PGP bug squished (was Re: Gaping hole in NAI PGP)

[tracer]

Hello Deryk Lister,
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:28:43 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, August 26, 2000, 11:28:43 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Deryk Lister wrote:


> It's all sorted now.  The nai PGP servers (ie certserv.pgp.com) now
> filter out keys with bogus ADK packets, and there's a new version
> 6.5.8 available from www.pgpi.com
> I'm sure anyone who's serious with PGP keeps it updated anyway, so it
> should be fine ;)

except for the lack of randomness since v5...
I wouldnt be surprised though from what I hear if some version will be
stuck together less those unwanted pieces of code CA stuck in.
It just a matter of the right stimulance being needed.

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Re: SOT: PGP bug squished (was Re: Gaping hole in NAI PGP)

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Saturday, August 26, 2000, 10:18:54 PM, Thomas wrote:

> If it came free wih McAfee, I would try and ask them. I am sure they
> can direct you to the correct web page or whatever at pgp. I do
> suspect that the freeware version upgrade will do, though. ;-)

Thanks, Thomas. I will do so, but of course, there's no one there till Monday.
And I get more and more leery of trying to get any kind of response
from customer/tech support departments, the more time I waste trying
to find someone who cares 8-(.

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Re: SOT: PGP bug squished (was Re: Gaping hole in NAI PGP)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Keith,

On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:13:51 -0600 GMT (27/08/2000, 03:13 +0800 GMT),
Keith Russell wrote:

KR> Okay, I have a question. I've used PGP Freeware forever, but recently
KR> bought McAfee VirusScan Deluxe for almost nothing, and PGP
KR> Personal Privacy 6.5.3 was included.

[...]
KR> However, I can find no mention of PGP for Personal Privacy on the Web
KR> Product page. And if I go to the generic upgrade section, I'm asked
KR> for "grant number" or a login and password. All I have is VirusScan
KR> serial number.

KR> Does anyone know where I can find an upgrade for PGP for Personal
KR> Privacy? Or is this just PGP Freeware under a different name and with
KR> a couple of additional components? Will upgrading to the freeware
KR> version do the job?

If it came free wih McAfee, I would try and ask them. I am sure they
can direct you to the correct web page or whatever at pgp. I do
suspect that the freeware version upgrade will do, though. ;-)

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Re: SOT: PGP bug squished (was Re: Gaping hole in NAI PGP)

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Saturday, August 26, 2000, 10:28:43 AM, Deryk wrote:

> It's all sorted now.  The nai PGP servers (ie certserv.pgp.com) now
> filter out keys with bogus ADK packets, and there's a new version
> 6.5.8 available from www.pgpi.com
> I'm sure anyone who's serious with PGP keeps it updated anyway, so it
> should be fine ;)

Okay, I have a question. I've used PGP Freeware forever, but recently
bought McAfee VirusScan Deluxe for almost nothing, and PGP
Personal Privacy 6.5.3 was included.

I went to www.pgp.com and read NAI's PGP ADK Security Advisory there,
which says, "The MIT web site should have a new PGP 6.5.x freeware
release early Friday, and the NAI/PGP web site should have patches out
for the commercial releases at about the same time."

However, I can find no mention of PGP for Personal Privacy on the Web
Product page. And if I go to the generic upgrade section, I'm asked
for "grant number" or a login and password. All I have is VirusScan
serial number.

Does anyone know where I can find an upgrade for PGP for Personal
Privacy? Or is this just PGP Freeware under a different name and with
a couple of additional components? Will upgrading to the freeware
version do the job?

FWIW, I don't feel a lot of urgency to this, since I don't use ADK;
like Deryk, I just always try to stay current. From the press releases
I've read, if my key is compromised, I will have to "acknowledge a
warning dialog that an ADK is associated with the certificate", and
will know not to use it.

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SOT: PGP bug squished (was Re: Gaping hole in NAI PGP)

[Deryk Lister]

It's all sorted now.  The nai PGP servers (ie certserv.pgp.com) now
filter out keys with bogus ADK packets, and there's a new version
6.5.8 available from www.pgpi.com
I'm sure anyone who's serious with PGP keeps it updated anyway, so it
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Re: PGP Bug?

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 27 Jan 00, at 17:57, Allie Martin wrote
about "Re: PGP Bug?":

> > I fully support the suggestion of Steve. BTW, AFAIK this is already on the
> > wishlist (?). This technique has proved to be quite useful I'd say. It's
> > one of the  pretty useful and pretty standard things that TB doesn't
> > support yet but the  other MUAs do (e.g., Pegasus);-(
> 
> I had a look see on what this was all about.
> 
> Two things:
> 
> The Bat would have to support the necessary user interface enhancements
> to make use of these mailing list specific header entries for handling
> subscriptions etc.

Yes. But _this_ is not a bloat, it's really as simple as that;-)

> The next thing is that this method doesn't really affect the whole
> business of repetition now does it? The repeated stuff (URLS's and mail:to's
> for subscription purposes) is just being moved from the text body to the
> headers. One is readily visible. The other isn't. :)

Well, but the one that's "readily visible" is not visible usually (I recall lots of 
"unsubscribe me" messages) for some;-)

> However, since the headers will not be padded by the instructions around
> the URL's, I guess it is better than nothing from a bandwidth conserving
> POV. I also agree and endorse the idea mostly from the angle from which it
> is primarily intended and that's to make things easier for the user through
> the provision of a consistent interface to subscribe/ unsubscribe etc. from
> the various mailing lists.

Yep, that's what's the whole idea of that RFC about IMO. Consistency;-)

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Re: PGP Bug?

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 27 Jan 00, at 14:10, Steve Lamb wrote
about "Re: PGP Bug?":

> > I fully support the suggestion of Steve. BTW, AFAIK this is already on the
> > wishlist (?). This technique has proved to be quite useful I'd say. It's one of 
>the 
> > pretty useful and pretty standard things that TB doesn't support yet but the 
> > other MUAs do (e.g., Pegasus);-(
> 
> For the record I learned about it from the list server listar.  I'm not
> sure what other list servers implement it.  I don't believe TB!'s list server
> does.

Listserv and Lyris do support this RFC. Don't know about the others. Anyhow, 
eventually all will do. Unless M$ makes it's own list server software;-)


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Re: PGP Bug?

[Allie Martin]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 01:04:08 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:

> I fully support the suggestion of Steve. BTW, AFAIK this is already on the
> wishlist (?). This technique has proved to be quite useful I'd say. It's
> one of the  pretty useful and pretty standard things that TB doesn't
> support yet but the  other MUAs do (e.g., Pegasus);-(

I had a look see on what this was all about.

Two things:

The Bat would have to support the necessary user interface enhancements
to make use of these mailing list specific header entries for handling
subscriptions etc.

The next thing is that this method doesn't really affect the whole
business of repetition now does it? The repeated stuff (URLS's and mail:to's
for subscription purposes) is just being moved from the text body to the
headers. One is readily visible. The other isn't. :)

However, since the headers will not be padded by the instructions around
the URL's, I guess it is better than nothing from a bandwidth conserving
POV. I also agree and endorse the idea mostly from the angle from which it
is primarily intended and that's to make things easier for the user through
the provision of a consistent interface to subscribe/ unsubscribe etc. from
the various mailing lists.

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Re: PGP Bug?

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, January 27, 2000, 2:04:08 PM, Alexander wrote:
> I fully support the suggestion of Steve. BTW, AFAIK this is already on the
> wishlist (?). This technique has proved to be quite useful I'd say. It's one of the 
> pretty useful and pretty standard things that TB doesn't support yet but the 
> other MUAs do (e.g., Pegasus);-(

For the record I learned about it from the list server listar.  I'm not
sure what other list servers implement it.  I don't believe TB!'s list server
does.

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Re: PGP Bug?

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 27 Jan 00, at 13:52, Steve Lamb wrote
about "Re: PGP Bug?":

I fully support the suggestion of Steve. BTW, AFAIK this is already on the 
wishlist (?). This technique has proved to be quite useful I'd say. It's one of the 
pretty useful and pretty standard things that TB doesn't support yet but the 
other MUAs do (e.g., Pegasus);-(

> Or replace it with the applicable rfc2369 information.
> 
> Network Working Group  G. Neufeld
> Request for Comments: 2369  Nisto
> Category: Standards Track J. Baer
>  SkyWeyr Technologies
> July 1998
> 
> 
>The Use of URLs as Meta-Syntax for Core Mail List Commands
>and their Transport through Message Header Fields

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Re: PGP Bug?

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, January 27, 2000, 1:43:25 PM, Tom wrote:
> What's that look like to everyone?  What about replacing *this* with a
> link to this info?

Or replace it with the applicable rfc2369 information.

Network Working Group  G. Neufeld
Request for Comments: 2369  Nisto
Category: Standards Track J. Baer
 SkyWeyr Technologies
July 1998


   The Use of URLs as Meta-Syntax for Core Mail List Commands
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Re: PGP Bug?

[Tom Plunket]

>> Why is that an absolutely annoying overhead? PGP works best if
>> everyone has easy access to your public key...

AM> Suppose everyone using PGP were to adopt your policy. 10 people like you
AM> would add an extra second to my download time and the time factor builds up.

I agree with Allie and Steve, a URL is much more efficient.

Need I suggest something else?

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What's that look like to everyone?  What about replacing *this* with a
link to this info?  This comes on every single message that's posted
to the list, and although it's nice to have the info handy when it's
needed, often when it's needed the obvious in-your-face solution
doesn't get noticed...


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Re[2]: PGP Bug?

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi,

WK> And please add an signature separator "-- " ()
WK> to your TBUDL template.

Oh no, sorry, that should read 
of course :-(

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Re: PGP Bug?

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, January 27, 2000, 12:36:56 PM, Sebastian wrote:
> Why is that an absolutely annoying overhead? PGP works best if
> everyone has easy access to your public key and that is the best way
> to do so.

No, it is not the best way to do so.  Once they have it they don't need it
again... and again... and again.

This month alone I have generated 522 messages in my private account and
274 in my work accout.  That's 796 messages.  Wait, more, 38 messages out of
mutt so far this month on my private account.  So that is 807 messages (not
counting this one) in 01/2000 alone.  I would guess that I've mailed the same
20-30 addresses.  That is a *LOT* of duplicated things sent.

> I don't think you have to wait more than a fraction of a second more for
> your mail to download if it contains my public key.

One message, no.  I get 300+ a day.  That would come out to 90k more.
that is not a "fraction of a second" even on my cablemodem.  Furthermore, you
have to think about list servers like this.  I run a list with 230 people on
it.  Your message hits that server and is duplicated about that many times to
be sent out.  That would be an extra 69k *per message* that my server needs to
send out.  230 members is a moderately small list.  There are many more that
are much, much larger.

Considering that most people don't *WANT* that data at all and the rest
don't want it repeatedly it is best that you don't pollute their boxes with
your repeatative crap.

> The problem could be solved by the software we are using - software
> wouldn't make our lives easier if we always had to adjust to them.
> What about the other way?

What other way?  What my public key?  Here:



Click that.  Let's compare.  That is 41 bytes compared to your 300+.  It
is human readable.  It is automated.  It is better than what you're
advocating.

> PS: I'm not going to change the way I sign a message, why do you have
> to complain about that?

Wow.  You're not going to get along well with most of the internet, are
you?  Not even trying to fit in.  A proper sig delimiter means that software,
you know, that stuff that is supposed to make life easier for scrubs like you,
knows what to color differently or remote when quoting so you don't have to.
Gee, 20 seconds to change 3 templates to extend the same courtesy we're
extending you and you're too good for that.  Beh, go away.

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Re: PGP Bug?

[Allie Martin]

On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 15:36:56 -0500, Sebastian Ahmadi wrote:

==8<
> Why is that an absolutely annoying overhead? PGP works best if
> everyone has easy access to your public key and that is the best way
> to do so. I don't think you have to wait more than a fraction of a
> second more for your mail to download if it contains my public key.

Suppose everyone using PGP were to adopt your policy. 10 people like you
would add an extra second to my download time and the time factor builds up.
It's even more significant from the server and internet bandwidth side of
things. These little things add up. It's always good to avoid the excess
baggage in your mail such as excessive quoting and excessive signatures.

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Re[2]: PGP Bug?

[Sebastian Ahmadi]

Hello Nick,

Tuesday, January 25, 2000, 8:26:52 PM, you wrote:

NA> On Tuesday, January 25, 2000, 3:01:02 PM, Sebastian Ahmadi wrote:

>> The program keeps asking me if I want to import the keyset. Well, the
>> first time I thought that would be okay, but it does that EVERY time I
>> am decrypting a mail. What's that all about? Does anyone have the same
>> problem? What's the solution?

NA> Does it ask you that each time you are sent an encrypted message from the
NA> same User, or are we talking about messages from different Users? If it's
NA> the same user, are they using the same private key to encrypt all the
NA> messages, and have you got their public key on your keyring?

NA> Nick


The program always asks me to add the key for the same sender. It is
so annoying. Is there anything I could do? Or do I have to wait for
the guys from RITlabs to fix that?

Thanks in advance,

Sebastian.

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Re[2]: PGP Bug?

[Sebastian Ahmadi]

Hello Wolfgang,

Wednesday, January 26, 2000, 1:35:47 PM, you wrote:

WK> The solution is not to put your PGP key in every message.
WK> That's an absolutely annoying overhead. Put it on your
WK> home page and add the URL to your signature.

WK> And please add an signature separator "-- " ()
WK> to your TBUDL template.


Why is that an absolutely annoying overhead? PGP works best if
everyone has easy access to your public key and that is the best way
to do so. I don't think you have to wait more than a fraction of a
second more for your mail to download if it contains my public key.
The problem could be solved by the software we are using - software
wouldn't make our lives easier if we always had to adjust to them.
What about the other way?

Sincerely,

Sebastian.

PS: I'm not going to change the way I sign a message, why do you have
to complain about that?

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Re: PGP Bug?

[Steve Lamb]

Wednesday, January 26, 2000, 10:35:47 AM, Wolfgang wrote:
> The solution is not to put your PGP key in every message.
> That's an absolutely annoying overhead. Put it on your
> home page and add the URL to your signature.

Feh.  "Finger for PGP key."  :P


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Re: PGP Bug?

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Sebastian,

SA> I am using The BAT since version 1.38e. I installed PGP support (6.5)
SA> and am happy with it. There is just something that keeps bothering me,
SA> and it happens every time I decrypt an encrypted message (it contains
SA> the sender's public key at the end). The program keeps asking me if I
SA> want to import the keyset. Well, the first time I thought that would
SA> be okay, but it does that EVERY time I am decrypting a mail. What's
SA> that all about? Does anyone have the same problem? What's the
SA> solution?

The solution is not to put your PGP key in every message.
That's an absolutely annoying overhead. Put it on your
home page and add the URL to your signature.

And please add an signature separator "-- " ()
to your TBUDL template.

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Re: PGP Bug?

[Nick Andriash]

On Tuesday, January 25, 2000, 3:01:02 PM, Sebastian Ahmadi wrote:

> The program keeps asking me if I want to import the keyset. Well, the
> first time I thought that would be okay, but it does that EVERY time I
> am decrypting a mail. What's that all about? Does anyone have the same
> problem? What's the solution?

Does it ask you that each time you are sent an encrypted message from the
same User, or are we talking about messages from different Users? If it's
the same user, are they using the same private key to encrypt all the
messages, and have you got their public key on your keyring?

Nick

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PGP Bug?

[Sebastian Ahmadi]

Hi BAT users.

I am using The BAT since version 1.38e. I installed PGP support (6.5)
and am happy with it. There is just something that keeps bothering me,
and it happens every time I decrypt an encrypted message (it contains
the sender's public key at the end). The program keeps asking me if I
want to import the keyset. Well, the first time I thought that would
be okay, but it does that EVERY time I am decrypting a mail. What's
that all about? Does anyone have the same problem? What's the
solution?

Alright, that's it for the moment.
Hope you guys can help me, thanks in advance,

Sebastian.

Webmaster of Goddess - The Asia Argento Shrine
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.goddess.de


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