Re: Parking (was: Re: Questions (I'm still too new a user))

2000-09-23 Thread A . Curtis Martin 

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On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:38:44 -0400, Havivah D. Schwartz wrote:

ACM>> When you choose to move parked messages, a pop-up query appears
ACM>> asking if you 'really wish' to move parked messages. Under that
ACM>> query should be a checkable option to re-enable parking at the new
ACM>> destination.

HDS> elegant solution. Have you sent this in as a suggestion?

I don't think so, but since it has received such a positive response I
guess I should. :-)

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Re: Parking (was: Re: Questions (I'm still too new a user))

2000-09-23 Thread A . Curtis Martin 

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On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:29:01 +0100, Chris Wilson wrote:


CW> Indeed. The lack of any response to requests for "sticky" status of
CW> many attributes too is rather odd. I just want to know if it is
CW> likely to happen or not, then i can shut up and either rejoice or
CW> kick the cat... :^)

I say persevere without at the same time being a pest. :-) Many a user
request have been granted after creating long discussions about them on
list.

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Re: Parking (was: Re: Questions (I'm still too new a user))

2000-09-23 Thread Havivah D. Schwartz 

Hi Allie,

ACM> When you choose to move parked messages, a pop-up query appears asking if
ACM> you 'really wish' to move parked messages. Under that query should be a
ACM> checkable option to re-enable parking at the new destination.

elegant solution. Have you sent this in as a suggestion?



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Re[2]: Parking (was: Re: Questions (I'm still too new a user))

2000-09-23 Thread Chris Wilson 

Saturday, September 23, 2000, 1:06:44 PM, you wrote:




> When you choose to move parked messages, a pop-up query appears asking if
> you 'really wish' to move parked messages. Under that query should be a
> checkable option to re-enable parking at the new destination.

Glad you brought this suggestion up, I keep meaning to post something
similar, it nearly caught me out recently when I moved parked messages
to another folder. I would have thought it safer, and more intuitive, to
have parked messages keep this attribute when moved or copied.

> Be that as it may, a simple option to make the message simply
> 'undeletable' would probably be less annoying and more useful to most.
> In this way, moving messages around will not affect their 'undeletable'
> status.

> So much has been said about this on multiple occasions that it's strange
> that nothing has been done about it to date. :-))


Indeed. The lack of any response to requests for "sticky" status of many
attributes too is rather odd. I just want to know if it is likely to
happen or not, then i can shut up and either rejoice or kick the cat...
:^)

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Re: Parking (was: Re: Questions (I'm still too new a user))

2000-09-23 Thread A . Curtis Martin 

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On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:45:11 +0200, Roel wrote:

ML>> 1) it's not intuitive to many (if not most) people, who tend to
ML>> think it's for keeping messages from being deleted; and

R> It is intuitive, if you think of it like a car: you put in in 'park'
R> mode if you want it to stay exactly there... when you move it around
R> & put it somewhere else, don't be surprised when you're car goes
R> byebye if you didn't put the brakes back on... (which is parking
R> mode...)

LOL!

When you choose to move parked messages, a pop-up query appears asking if
you 'really wish' to move parked messages. Under that query should be a
checkable option to re-enable parking at the new destination.

Be that as it may, a simple option to make the message simply
'undeletable' would probably be less annoying and more useful to most.
In this way, moving messages around will not affect their 'undeletable'
status.

So much has been said about this on multiple occasions that it's strange
that nothing has been done about it to date. :-))

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Re: Parking (was: Re: Questions (I'm still too new a user))

2000-09-23 Thread Roel 

Hi Ming-Li

On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:51:35 -0700GMT
   (which was 21/09/2000, 16:51 +0100GMT for me),

you wrote:

ML> 1) it's not intuitive to many (if not most) people, who tend to
ML> think it's for keeping messages from being deleted; and

It is intuitive, if you think of it like a car:
you put in in 'park' mode if you want it to stay exactly there...
when you move it around & put it somewhere else, don't be surprised
when you're car goes byebye if you didn't put the brakes back on...
(which is parking mode...)

just my .02 :-)
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Re: Parking (was: Re: Questions (I'm still too new a user))

2000-09-21 Thread Ming-Li 

On Wednesday, September 20, 2000, 12:08:00 AM, Oleg wrote:

KS>> (When you flag or colour a message and then move it, the flag
KS>> and/or colour move as well. I'd expect some kind of consistency
KS>> here.)

> Parking  is  a bit different from coloring and flagging. Parking
> is to prevent  from accidentally deleting or moving from a folder.
> How can a message in one folder be parked to another?

While this is technically correct, past discussions have shown that

1) it's not intuitive to many (if not most) people, who tend to
think it's for keeping messages from being deleted; and

2) most people indeed want the ability to keep messages from being
deleted, and want to keep them that way across folders.

So maybe it's time to change the implementation (and maybe give it a
new name) or add a new function.

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Re[2]: Parking (was: Re: Questions (I'm still too new a user))

2000-09-20 Thread Oleg Zalyalov 

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Wednesday, September 20, 2000, Karin Spaink wrote to Januk Aggarwal about
Parking (was: Re: Questions (I'm still too new a user)):

KS> (When you flag or colour a message and then move it, the
KS> flag and/or colour move as well. I'd expect some kind of
KS> consistency here.)

Parking  is  a bit different from coloring and flagging. Parking is to
prevent  from accidentally deleting or moving from a folder. How can a
message in one folder be parked to another?

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Re: Parking (was: Re: Questions (I'm still too new a user))

2000-09-20 Thread Paula Ford 

On Tuesday, September 19, 2000, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

> ... The debate comes down to, is the Parked status a property of the
> message or a property of the message in the current folder? It appears
> that the TB developers have chosen the latter.

> My personal opinion is that it should be a property of the message, so
> moving or copying does not remove the parked status.
 
Another odd aspect of parking: If I manually re-filter messages in my
InBox, applying an Incoming Messages filter intended to move messages to
another folder, TB *copies* any relevant messages that are parked to the
destination folder with the parking intact. So, in this case, TB treats
the parked status as a property of the message.

Actually, I think this behavior is probably unintentional (aka bug). :)

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Re: Parking (was: Re: Questions (I'm still too new a user))

2000-09-19 Thread Karin Spaink 

On 20-09-2000 at 01:26, Januk Aggarwal kindly wrote:

[on how TB deals with parking, and unparks a message once it
gets copied or moved to another folder]

> My personal opinion is that it should be a property of the message, so
> moving or copying does not remove the parked status.
 
Nice summary. I whole-heartedly agree.

(When you flag or colour a message and then move it, the
flag and/or colour move as well. I'd expect some kind of
consistency here.)


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Parking (was: Re: Questions (I'm still too new a user))

2000-09-19 Thread Januk Aggarwal 

Hello Avenarius,


On  Tuesday, September 19, 2000  at  22:03:06 GMT +0200 (which was 1:03 PM
where I live) witnesses say Avenarius typed:


> I'd vote the reverse. Parking -- an astounding, marvelous feature. How
> many times I accidentaly deleted an archived post in OE because I
> confused it with another one! This can't happen in TB! if the parking
> feature is employed.

> Generally I don't understand why some users complain about advanced
> features of The Bat!


I don't think Karin is complaining about the park feature itself, few
of us would.  The problem with it is that when you move a parked
message to another folder, the parked status is lost in the new
folder.  The debate comes down to, is the Parked status a property of
the message or a property of the message in the current folder?  It
appears that the TB developers have chosen the latter.

My personal opinion is that it should be a property of the message, so
moving or copying does not remove the parked status.
 


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