Re: Version 1.60 and Common Folders
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 @ 15:49:29 +1000 [ Wed, 3 Apr 2002], Steve Mullarkey [SM] wrote these words of wisdom: ... SM> HOWEVER, (excuse my bad temper!) next time I started TB! it SM> recreated all the common folders again. Does your mail directory tree reflect what's happening in TB! after you've made the adjustments? If not, then this is likely why the folders are being recreated. In your */The Bat!/Mail directory, there should be only directories with the names of your accounts. If there are other directories there, then these are common folders. You need to get rid of those as well. I suggest moving them to another location first, in case you need their contents. Be sure to readjust your filters as well so that they aren't pointing to any of the common folders you wish to get rid of. If mail in any of your folders disappears on a restart, then it's likely that you need to copy the message bases from the correspondingly named common folder into it. - -- Allie C Martin (List Moderator and fellow end user) PGP Public Key - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ®TB! v1.60c on Windows XP 5.1.2600 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEARECAAYFAjyq2vEACgkQV8nrYCsHF+JqZgCeKm98yf7zbtQ37F1Dnwv50Exh 3MQAni363uGOWK9h029Y0HDogt5FxWDK =IOEo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Version 1.60 and Common Folders
Hello Steve, On Tuesday, April 2, 2002, at 11:29:55 PM (-0700), you wrote: > I thought that perhaps I had done something wrong SO .. I > deleted all the common folders yet again. There are about 40 folders so > it takes some manual work. How on earth did you end up with 40 Common Folders? Did you create them at one time then decide you didn't want them any longer? I remember a discussion quite some time ago...around the time they were first introduced, where you could delete one file in the TB Directory and they no longer appeared. Sorry I cannot be more specific, but if you search back through the Archives looking under the heading of Common Folders, you will eventually come to it. ;o) Nick -- PGP Public Keys: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGPKeys Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Version 1.60 and Common Folders
Hello Steve, I have just joined the list so that I am not sure if the following has already been suggested. When bat is not running, you can try to move everything under your account directory to somewhere else first, leaving a empty account directory. * You may prefer to remove duplicates messages and common folders first. Say you have an account named "Foo" which points to directory c:\Foo. Then you should save everything under this directory to somewhere else, leaving an empty c:\Foo around. Then restart your bat, see if it creats any common folder this time around. If it does, remove any un-desirable folders. Close and restart again. If everything is OK now, copy the previously saved messages back into its original position. I have used the methods described above several times during change of machine and reinstallation with no problem. Hope it helps. -- Regards, Anthony Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Version 1.60 and Common Folders
Hi TBUDL, Firstly, many thanks to all who have made suggestions. However it is taking all my self-control not to explode. I can't believe what TB! is doing to me !! I did as you all suggested. I deleted the common folders taking care to retain the message bases. That was fine. It appeared I was back to pre 1.60 days. HOWEVER, (excuse my bad temper!) next time I started TB! it recreated all the common folders again. I thought that perhaps I had done something wrong SO .. I deleted all the common folders yet again. There are about 40 folders so it takes some manual work. I exited TB! and restarted. TB! recreates the common folders yet again ! I am stumped! That's a cricketing term but I expect you can all guess exactly how I feel. I do NOT want two copies of every folder. I do NOT want my msg searches to show every msg appearing TWICE. I do NOT want this confusion. Please excuse my frustration. Best regards, Steve Mullarkey. mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tascom Pty Ltd. PO Box 296 Berry, NSW 2535, Australia. Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Version 1.60 and Common Folders
On Monday, April 1, 2002, 5:10:43 AM, Allie C Martin wrote: PP>> But be aware: don't 'Delete and move to Trash' or even 'Wipe', PP>> but only 'Delete and leave message base intact' !!! The old and PP>> the new folders seem to be different folders but in fact they do PP>> share the same message base(s)!!! So deleting the common folders PP>> _for real_ will delete all messages for real! > Thanks for this VERY important addition. I didn't know this. Sounds > like it happened to you as well, Peter. :-) It happened to me many betas ago. I thought I had done something stupid. I don't even remember what it was. But I do remember that it took lots of experimenting to figure out which of the new folders was actually going to be what TB was using, and took a couple of false starts and restores, because I didn't know what Peter pointed out. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.60c on Windows XP version 5,1 Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Version 1.60 and Common Folders
Hello Allie, On Monday, April 1, 2002 at 1:10:43 PM you wrote (at least in part): PP>> But be aware: don't 'Delete and move to Trash' or even 'Wipe', but PP>> only 'Delete and leave message base intact' !!! The old and the new PP>> folders seem to be different folders but in fact they do share the PP>> same message base(s)!!! So deleting the common folders _for real_ will PP>> delete all messages for real! ACM> Thanks for this VERY important addition. I didn't know this. Sounds ACM> like it happened to you as well, Peter. :-) Nope :-) It did not 'happen to me', I've 'made it happen to be sure about the facts' :-) Some things are able to be evaluated by 'thinking about them' and after I sometimes had my folders doubled I came to the idea "this must be a 'second reference'" and did some testings :-) But that's another theme and I'll stop discussing it on TBUDL :-) Have a nice monday all out there :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.60c on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) Computer: "Not found `Tea,_Earl_Grey,_Hot.'" Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Version 1.60 and Common Folders
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:01:28 +0200, Peter Palmreuther [PP] graced us with these comments: ... ACM>> If your old folders are intact, why not delete the newly created ACM>> ones. You'll have to go through your filters and readjust ACM>> things. PP> But be aware: don't 'Delete and move to Trash' or even 'Wipe', but PP> only 'Delete and leave message base intact' !!! The old and the new PP> folders seem to be different folders but in fact they do share the PP> same message base(s)!!! So deleting the common folders _for real_ will PP> delete all messages for real! Thanks for this VERY important addition. I didn't know this. Sounds like it happened to you as well, Peter. :-) - -- Allie C Martin -- List Moderator PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [MUA: TB! v1.60c (*) OS: Windows XP 5.1.2600] __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (on WinXP) iEYEARECAAYFAjyoQDQACgkQV8nrYCsHF+JuBACgwA4+k4sM7Vd3UFLXtev47bZw /O0An3GBy26L7H4e9VxdDAQmUp2bKRgW =6Z8s -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Version 1.60 and Common Folders
Hello Allie, On Monday, April 1, 2002 at 12:47:58 PM you wrote (at least in part): ACM> If your old folders are intact, why not delete the newly created ones. ACM> You'll have to go through your filters and readjust things. But be aware: don't 'Delete and move to Trash' or even 'Wipe', but only 'Delete and leave message base intact' !!! The old and the new folders seem to be different folders but in fact they do share the same message base(s)!!! So deleting the common folders _for real_ will delete all messages for real! -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.60c on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) If everything is coming your way then you're in the wrong lane. Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Version 1.60 and Common Folders
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:09:52 +1000, Steve Mullarkey [SM] wrote these comments: ... SM> TB! 1.60 has created duplicate folders of many of my folders SM> outside of the accounts. Messages are now contained in the new SM> folders and in the old folders inside the accounts. In addition a SM> number of my filters are now not working or the behaviour is SM> different. Oh cripes! You're the second one that has reported this terrible situation on this list. Most don't get this problem and we don't know what it is that triggers its occurrence. If your old folders are intact, why not delete the newly created ones. You'll have to go through your filters and readjust things. Sorry to see that this has befallen you but it's really unusual and not supposed to happen. - -- Allie C Martin -- List Moderator PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [MUA: TB! v1.60c (*) OS: Windows XP 5.1.2600] __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (on WinXP) iEYEARECAAYFAjyoOt8ACgkQV8nrYCsHF+KO1QCfZdbg+fhxJ6BR5VZmy/O0aJWn RoAAn3qaJXn0Rt34hoX4RhhS9C2aUD9d =Wuaw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Version 1.60 and Common Folders
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Steve, @01 April 2002, 17:09:52 +1000 (08:09 UK time) Steve Mullarkey wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > TB! 1.60 has created duplicate folders of many of my folders outside > of the accounts. Messages are now contained in the new folders and > in the old folders inside the accounts. In addition a number of my > filters are now not working or the behaviour is different. > From reading this list I notice a new topic "Common Folders" so I > looked for an explanation in the Help File. NOTHING - not a word! That's because it's not supposed to happen. It happened to me too during the early beta tests. I don't quite remember what I did to fix it, only that I was an isolated case and the problem was not reproducible. I suggest: backup your accounts; delete the common folders opting to "keep mail-base files intact". I remember fiddling about at the OS folder structure level in the end to get it right. Another thing to try is to keep a fail-safe copy of account.srx, delete *all* folders then use the Ctrl-Alt-Shift-L key combo to restore folders. I don't like doing this too often because it makes extra folders under my primary account from my secondary accounts. I know that the problem is solvable but don't remember how, because it happened to me last year and I didn't make notes as I thrashed around for a fix. > Why is there nothing in the "Help File" on what seems to me to be a > major behaviour change? Because there is no behavioural change of any significance. Global folders are simply ordinary folders that live outside the domain of a single account. Nothing to explain about their behaviour - no change to the help file. > Perhaps I am missing the obvious, if so, I apologize for my > frustrated mood. Is there some beautiful clear explanation on this > for me? Can someone show me where I'm missing the point. You haven't missed the point - you've had a bit of bad luck with it. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.60c-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8qCyeOeQkq5KdzaARAoRNAKDu+RMtxUYF0etGsbr8Ou07dDGcnwCghilA iYcmI43irTwOj9L/q2E1gOc= =NFN9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Version 1.60 and Common Folders
Hi TBUDL, I have been a (mostly) happy TB! user for a couple of years. However I have just upgraded from 1.54 to 1.60 and I am worried and unhappy. I have two accounts and a number of folders and filters in each account. TB! 1.60 has created duplicate folders of many of my folders outside of the accounts. Messages are now contained in the new folders and in the old folders inside the accounts. In addition a number of my filters are now not working or the behaviour is different. >From reading this list I notice a new topic "Common Folders" so I looked for an explanation in the Help File. NOTHING - not a word! So next I looked in the "readme.txt" file history list. I see one line that says :- "[+] It is now possible to create folders "outside" accounts" Is that it? Is that a full explanation? I didn't ask TB! to do this. Why has it changed my folders without asking or even advising me? Why is there nothing in the "Help File" on what seems to me to be a major behaviour change? I have been a great fan of TB! and recommended it to several friends and colleagues but RITLabs this is not the way to go. Perhaps I am missing the obvious, if so, I apologize for my frustrated mood. Is there some beautiful clear explanation on this for me? Can someone show me where I'm missing the point. Best regards, Steve Mullarkey. mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tascom Pty Ltd. PO Box 296 Berry, NSW 2535, Australia. Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
